On Tuesday 17 September 2002 03:59, Yaad Golani wrote: > On Tuesday 17 September 2002 00:04, you wrote: > > you all (i am guessing here..) read slashdot, so i guess you saw the > > article speaking about the new policy RH are taking in their new beta. > > > > i am reffering to the fact that they decided to "unite" some parts of the > > gnome and kde desktops, including making code changes in some of the > > above projects, in order to gain sharing of some components in those > > desktop enviroments. i switched to debian a few weeks ago, > > so i couldnt care less what RH are > > doing on their future releases, but i do find it kind of offensive that > > they have the nurve (yes, i do believe its nurve) to decide for their > > users what will their desktop look like. > > Why? By your theory, they've had the nerve to `decide for' their users what > the _entire_ distribution would look like as well. That includes modified > packages, addons and command line interface utilities.
kde\gnome are diferent projects that has nothing to do with RH. they should've at least add the default packages, and let you choose what to install. > > Linux users can choose from a large collection of distributions. They don't > have to go for RedHat if they don't like what they get. (And I'm not even > talking GUI-Specific, because when one chooses his distribution, he > examines it as a whole). well, i did ;) > > > its true that you can always remove the default packages and > > compile\install your own, but why would a user want to go into all that > > truble ? > > Did it ever cross your mind that you may actually get to like it? Who > knows? what if i dont ? and what if i have a slow 28.800 connection and its a bitch to download the default packages, in case i want them ? what if i am using kde since 1.x and i want the original packages ? like i said in previous replies : add the default packages to the cd as well, and let ME choose what i want and dont want. > It may be the next best thing that happened to us since Britney > Spears announced she's quitting pop. she did ?? ;) >Uh, I may be slightly exaggarating on > this one. But seriously speaking, RedHat's core team are entitled of > leading the project into the directions that suit them, regardless to what > you may or may not think. It's all business, I suppose they now focus some > more on newcomers (all that is based on the guess the new thing would be > awful, for "us", the oldies, which I'm more than certain it won't). > again, this is not about "will it be good or bad", its about a free choice (or the lack of it in this case) sure, there are some advantages in uniting the 2 desktops, but if you'll read what Owen Taylor wrote about this issue (http://people.redhat.com/otaylor/rh-desktop.html) you'll find out that some of the reasons were also about saving the RH developers hard work of documenting 2 enviroments. this is all fine, but i am still bothered about the lack of choice issue. (and i am not even a redhat user anymore..) > > new users should not have a problem with this new approach, and they may > > even like the new artwork implemented there, but what about old timers, > > that want their desktop set just the way they like it ? > > Although I'm no expert with the details, I can only assume the old-timers > would have their chance to set it back to what it previously was one way or > another. Remember, RedHat most certainly do not want to make a fuss among > their community of old, faithful users. _Especially_ not over such a minor > thing. > this is NOT a minor thing ! and they are NOT giving you any option to reverse the changes. they have modified the code in those packages to suit their needs, so this is not a theme you can simply remove and roll back to the old one. you want the default settings you are used to work with for years ? no problem: ftp.kde.org . > Plus, there will be always be extra settings and adjustments you could set > in order to give it the old fashionable look. The worst case you'd have to > compile from source, or download the original kde/gnome redhat packages and > reinstall. > no good ! you are saying this from the point of view of a person that uses a fast internet connection and a fast machine...am i right ? i am using the above 2 as well, be this is highly un-fair fo users that still use a slow analog dialup connection, and a slower machine. i really dont understand why they didnt simply add the default packages as well, and let you choose what you want to have. > > in my opinion, this is starting to look like a classic MS scenario, which > > i definetly dont like. > > is this where linux is going from now ? > > doesnt seem so much of a "free choice" now, does it ? > > Bullshit. bullshit ? i dont see the choice here...do you ? > > > kde is kde, gnome is gnome, and thats the way its suppose to be. > > No, that's what you think it's supposed to be. and thats what many others that use kde\gnome think its suppose to be. not everyone like to "live on the edge" and explore new stuff.. i do, but a lot of people just want to stay with what they are used to for years. > > > you want a new desktop ? a united desktop ? a uniqe desktop ? go ahead, > > but dont *force* users to use it. > > > > they could at least let you choose if you WANT it or not (which they > > dont) > > *Slurp* -- ====================================== Amir Tal Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal Voice: +972-8-9363164 Fax: +972-8-9363164 Cell: +972-58-978979 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: www.whatsup.org.il ====================================== ================================================================To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
