Linux-Misc Digest #792, Volume #18 Thu, 28 Jan 99 01:13:11 EST
Contents:
LINUX PPP on a SPARC10 ("Chenard, Sylvain [CAR:VS13:EXCH]")
Re: Netscape + KDE 1.1: Where's BOLD on new messages gone? (Conrad Sanderson)
Re: Cable modem & networking ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
setup problem ("Zirbes")
Re: Netscape + KDE 1.1: Where's BOLD on new messages gone? ("Douglas C. Holland")
I can't use 'utility.inc' in gcc (dennis)
Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise (Bill Unruh)
Re: LILO problem with win98 (Redhat) ("Charles Sullivan")
How can i use this ("Wael Sedky")
Re: PPP dial-up connection with RH5.2 (Bill Unruh)
Re: ftape - difficulties with floppy controller (Dr Paul Kinsler)
Re: Help, Kernel too big ("Wael Sedky")
Re: [Famous Finn] Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (El
Cabron)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Gary)
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From: "Chenard, Sylvain [CAR:VS13:EXCH]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.os.linux,comp.protocols.ppp,linux.redhat.install
Subject: LINUX PPP on a SPARC10
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:01:20 -0500
Hi,
Though I'm using a Sparc10 with RH 5.1, the ppp setup should be trivial
under linux. I getting a "LCP: timeout sending" problem.
=
I've tried 2 modems (microcom 28.8p, microcom 56k), changed serial
cable, disabled the eth0 interface while connecting PPP and I'm still
getting the same problem. =
I suspecting a netmask problem or interrupts problem but I need help
to validate (or invalidate) these hypothesises.
=
BTW: To connect to my ISP, I'm using a DIP script. When ppp is started
on my SPARC I can see the modem SD led glowing (sending a lot of
stuff to the ISP port) and small burst FROM the ISP port.
=
The following is a sample of my configuration and my logs
(/var/log/messages).
=
-> Here's the log:
=
Jan 18 21:28:46 oliver6 pppd[1479]: pppd 2.3.3 started by root, uid 0
Jan 18 21:28:46 oliver6 pppd[1479]: Removed stale lock on modem (pid
1479)
Jan 18 21:28:46 oliver6 pppd[1479]: Using interface ppp0
Jan 18 21:28:46 oliver6 pppd[1479]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem
Jan 18 21:29:05 oliver6 kernel: Swansea University Computer Society IPX
0.34 for NET3.035
Jan 18 21:29:05 oliver6 kernel: IPX Portions Copyright (c) 1995
Caldera, Inc.
Jan 18 21:29:05 oliver6 kernel: Appletalk 0.17 for Linux NET3.035
Jan 18 21:29:16 oliver6 pppd[1479]: LCP: timeout sending
Config-Requests
Jan 18 21:29:16 oliver6 pppd[1479]: Connection terminated.
Jan 18 21:29:16 oliver6 pppd[1479]: Receive serial link is not 8-bit
clean:
Jan 18 21:29:16 oliver6 pppd[1479]: Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0
Jan 18 21:30:15 oliver6 pppd[1479]: Exit.
Even if I put the debug option in "options" file, I got nothing more...
I verified the configuration of my /dev/modem with stty
=
-> Here's the echo:
stty -a < /dev/modem
speed 38400 baud; rows 0; columns 0; line =3D 0;
intr =3D <undef>; quit =3D <undef>; erase =3D <undef>; kill =3D <undef>;=
eol2 =3D <undef>; start =3D <undef>; stop =3D <undef>; susp =3D <undef>;=
dsusp =3D <undef>; rprnt =3D <undef>; werase =3D <undef>; lnext =3D <und=
ef>;
flush =3D <undef>; min =3D 1; time =3D 0;
-parenb -parodd cs8 hupcl -cstopb cread -clocal crtscts
ignbrk -brkint ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr -icrnl -ixon
-ixoff
-iuclc -ixany -imaxbel
-opost -olcuc -ocrnl -onlcr -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel nl0 cr0 tab0
bs0 vt0
ff0
-isig -icanon -iexten -echo -echoe -echok -echonl -noflsh -xcase
-tostop
-echoprt -echoctl -echoke
You can easily see that the port is 8-N-1 (cs8,-parenb,-cstopb)
-> Here's a sample of my DIP script (succesfull path only)
netmask 255.255.240.0
port /dev/modem
speed 38400
databits 8
parity N
stopbits 1
reset
send ATZ%C3%E2\r
wait OK 5
send ATQ0V1E1X4\r
wait OK 5
dial T*70,,*67,,555-1212 #As an example
sleep 1
send \r
send \r
wait Userid: 15
send e(myunixID)\r
wait Password? 15
password
send \n\
wait succeeds. 15
sleep 5
send \r
send \r
send \r
wait Norte_prompt> 60
send ppp \r
print PPP CONNECTED $locip --> $rmtip
mode ppp
goto exit
-> Here's my options file from /usr/ppp directory :
/dev/modem # serial port
57600
crtscts
asyncmap 0
defaultroute
modem
lock
noipdefault # for dynamic IPs
NOTE: I don't use "connect" since I'm using DIP
-> And when I manually connect to ISP port, I got the following:
ISP_prompt>ppp
Exiting shell, starting PPP
~=DD}#=B8!}!}!} %}!}$}%=A4}"}&} }*} } }%}&m=F7}^(}(}"}1}$}%=A4}2}"}3})}#=
}
~@=B5qJ}}>~~=DD}#=B8!}!}"} %}!}$}%=A4}"}&} }*} }
}%}&m=F7}^(}(}"}1}$}%=A4}2}"}3})}#}~@=B5qJ} d=A1~
The Sparc uses both different UART and irq than PC. The following shows
you what I got:
-> From /var/log/messages:
=
snip...
=
Jan 20 18:40:52 oliver6 kernel: Sparc Zilog8530 serial driver version
1.18.2.15
Jan 20 18:40:52 oliver6 kernel: tty00 at 0xffede004 (irq =3D 44) is a
Zilog8530
Jan 20 18:40:52 oliver6 kernel: tty01 at 0xffede000 (irq =3D 44) is a
Zilog8530
Jan 20 18:40:52 oliver6 kernel: tty02 at 0xffedb004 (irq =3D 44) is a
Zilog8530
Jan 20 18:40:52 oliver6 kernel: tty03 at 0xffedb000 (irq =3D 44) is a
Zilog8530
snip..
-> And from "setserial":
[root@oliver6 ~]# setserial -a /dev/modem
/dev/modem, Line 0, UART: unknown, Port: 0xffede004, IRQ: 44
Baud_base: 0, close_delay: 50, divisor: 16
closing_wait: 3000, closing_wait2: infinte
Flags: spd_normal
I'm using my HP425 with a SLIP connection (using ppl) for many years
now and I never had problems.
Is there any way to use manual SLIP connection within LINUX (no =
automatic script)
Any suggestion are welcomes
Thanks in advance
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Sylvain Chenard F/W Designer
PO Box 3511, Station C
Ottawa, Ontario
CANADA K1Y 4H7
Tel. (613) 763 5289
EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Conrad Sanderson)
Subject: Re: Netscape + KDE 1.1: Where's BOLD on new messages gone?
Date: 28 Jan 1999 03:48:13 GMT
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Has anyone is using Netscape installed the new KDE (1.1pre1)? I
>installed it and now my Netscape email client (4.5) no longer has the familiar
>grey background in the "folders" and "message headers" panels, neither are
>unread messages in bold.... all in the same text.
see discussion in comp.windows.x.kde
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cable modem & networking
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:35:34 GMT
You should readup on the pppd (for the dialup part) and on IP Masquerading
(for dialup and to connect the hub).
In article <78a2k4$1ct$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daystrom) wrote:
> I am using Slackware and am planning on getting Roadrunner cable modem
service. I would like to be
> able to dial into my Linux box via the modem and use it as a gateway to the
net using the
> cable modem. I currently have a 28.8 modem, 3Com 10/100 PCI nic, and will be
adding a small hub soon to
> connect my Win98 machine to.
>
> I know this has to be possible with Linux. What should I read or know?
>
> Todd
>
>
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From: "Zirbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: setup problem
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:51:51 -0200
Hi.
I am trying to install Linux on my computer (486DX4, 24Mb RAM, HD 813Mb -
600Mb for Linux, Creative Labs Multimedia Kit).
Well, the thing is that when the linux install program asks me what kind of
CD-ROM I have it gives me two options: SCSI or OTHER.
I have one ide harddisk connect to ide0 (I don't have secondary ide port),
and Sony CD
connected to sound card. The CD-ROM is a Sony 33A. In OTHERS I�ve tryed
the options "SONY CDU-31A" and "Sound Blaster PRO Interface".
I tryed the following:
sbpcd=230,SoundBlaster
and cdu31a=230,5
The SoundBlater address is 220H. The CD-ROM is at 230H.
If somebody had a problem like mine or knows the solution to it, please help
me.
Thanks in advance,
Carlos Felipe Zirbes
P.S. Please, send a copy of your answer directly to me
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Douglas C. Holland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Netscape + KDE 1.1: Where's BOLD on new messages gone?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:23:02 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Has anyone is using Netscape installed the new KDE (1.1pre1)? I
> installed it and now my Netscape email client (4.5) no longer has the familiar
> grey background in the "folders" and "message headers" panels, neither are
> unread messages in bold.... all in the same text.
>
> I have played around with Netscape's edit/view options but nothing seems to
> return the familiar settings. It's really quite annoying. Can anyone tell
> me what has been changed/unset?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
KDE 1.1 has a new feature, in the KDE Control Center, under Fonts etc.
called Apply style to non-KDE apps. Through X resource wizardry, it
changes the colors & fonts of all X11 apps, including Netscape to match
the fonts used in KDE apps. It does it's job alright - Netscape now has
the same style fonts & colors as the rest of KDE, but this feature goes
a little too far & smashes some font settings in Netscape that make
readability easier. Turn this off & Netscape goes back to normal.
Doug.
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From: dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: I can't use 'utility.inc' in gcc
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:28:16 -0600
Hi ya all!
I just want to use utility.inc for c++ code.
but i cant run or compile those.
$ gcc test.cpp
$ utility.inc: can't find the directory or file
does any can help me out?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise
Date: 28 Jan 1999 05:49:18 GMT
In <kxQr2.25960$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher
Browne) writes:
>And I suspect it will not be rapidly solved. The problem is that the
>vendors of motherboards are selling primarily a high-volume sold
>product.
My BIOS (Asus motherboard) allows you to disable the halt on errors. So
if there is no keyboard it will keep booting.
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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: LILO problem with win98 (Redhat)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:39:37 -0500
Gordon Weast wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Ian Hay wrote:
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> > Felix Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > hi there,
>> > >
>> > > As a newbie in Linux, I tried installing redhat 5.1 on the
>> > > Sony Vaio 505 notebook. After days and nights, it finally
>> > > installed ... :)
>> > >
>> > > The problem now is with booting my linux kernel. Booting
>> > > off disk is fine, but no luck with lilo. When I went thru the
>> > > step of setting up lilo during installation, it always reported
>> > > "an error has happened ..." and I eventually aborted this step.
>> > >
>> > > I have fiddled with my /etc/lilo.conf file but with no luck.
>> > > It always boot straight into win98 instead. When I run /sbin/lilo
>> > > , it always return
>> > >
>> > > Added Linux *
>> > > Partition entry not found.
>> > >
>> > > Here is a copy of my lilo.conf
>> > >
>> > > boot=/dev/hda
>> > > map=/boot/map
>> > > prompt
>> > > timeout=50
>> > > image=/boot/vmlinuz
>> > > label=linux
>> > > root=/dev/hda5
>> > > read-only
>> > > other=/dev/hda1
>> > > label=win98
>> > > table=/dev/hda
>> > >
>> > > Thanks a lot in advance. It has been bugging me many nights now ...
:(
>> > >
>> > > P.S. When I run fdisk in Linux, it reports "unknown" type for my
win98
>> > > partition, will this have anything with this problem??
>> > >
>> >
>> > just on that p.s. bit: the reason linux fdisk reports 'unknown' as your
win98
>> > partition type is that win98 uses FAT32, not FAT16 like older windows
and
>> > msdos. linux can only read FAT16 (unless there is some patch i don't
know
>> > about).
>>
>> There is.
>> --
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> Ian R. Hay <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Toronto, Canada <http://www3.sympatico.ca/ian.hay/>
>> Linuxing about since June 21, 1998 <Redhat 5.1 - 2.0.35>
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>
>Well, Ian, your response is something I would expect out of Microsoft
>support. You tell the truth, but convey no information.
>
>Felix,
>
>You need the latest Linux kernel to get FAT32 support. It works in 2.0.35
>and later. It is also in the 2.2.0.??? version that should be readily
>available soon. I am using 2.0.35 and have been using FAT32 support for
>several months now. You may have to config and recompile the kernel but
>it really isn't hard.
>
>Unless you are truly adventurous, stick with 2.0.35 until 2.2.0 is
>available through a standard distribution.
>
>Gordon Weast
The kernel version is not the problem. The RH 5.1 kernel (I forget the
version #)
is compatible with FAT 32 - I used it until I upgraded to RH 5.2.
fdisk is flaky when running on a HD with more than 16 heads _and_ more than
1024
sectors (what you would probably have with LBA and a HD >8.4 Gb). It
reports
problems that aren't there.
Can you mount the Win 98 partition and read it from within Linux?
When running fdisk, did you mark hda5 as 'bootable'?
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From: "Wael Sedky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]*>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: How can i use this
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:54:25 -0800
OK, this boring stuff is my ppp. As u can guess it uses chap. How can i use
this to connect to the internet with my slackware 3.6?
I've read the how-to and tried for 2 months, but....
Now I have created chap-secrets with my
loginname isp password
My provider uses my entire email address as the login name, BUT in
my chap file I use only my name without the @whatever.com
I enabled
+chap
username myname
an option to append my provider name with my address.
Any suggestions? Please please don't tell me to read the how-to again. I've
done that already 4 times and didn't find anything that helps.
I tried to use ezppp, but apparently i have 2 be able to logon manually
first and this is just to make things easier.
Your suggestions are greatly appreciated.
my windows 95 ppp script starts here
==================================
01-28-1999 00:33:17.62 - Remote access driver log opened.
01-28-1999 00:33:17.62 - Installable CP VxD SPAP is loaded
01-28-1999 00:33:17.62 - Server type is PPP (Point to Point Protocol).
01-28-1999 00:33:17.62 - FSA : Adding Control Protocol 80fd (CCP) to control
protocol chain.
01-28-1999 00:33:17.62 - FSA : Protocol disabled by user - skipping control
protocol 803f (NBFCP).
01-28-1999 00:33:17.62 - FSA : Adding Control Protocol 8021 (IPCP) to
control protocol chain.
01-28-1999 00:33:17.62 - FSA : Protocol disabled by user - skipping control
protocol 802b (IPXCP).
01-28-1999 00:33:17.62 - FSA : Adding Control Protocol c029 (CallbackCP) to
control protocol chain.
01-28-1999 00:33:17.62 - FSA : Adding Control Protocol c027 (no description)
to control protocol chain.
01-28-1999 00:33:17.62 - FSA : Adding Control Protocol c023 (PAP) to control
protocol chain.
01-28-1999 00:33:17.62 - FSA : Adding Control Protocol c223 (CHAP) to
control protocol chain.
01-28-1999 00:33:17.62 - FSA : Adding Control Protocol c021 (LCP) to control
protocol chain.
01-28-1999 00:33:17.62 - LCP : Callback negotiation enabled.
01-28-1999 00:33:17.62 - LCP : Layer started.
01-28-1999 00:33:20.78 - LCP : Received and accepted MRU of 1514.
01-28-1999 00:33:20.78 - LCP : Received and accepted ACCM of 0.
01-28-1999 00:33:20.78 - LCP : Received and accepted authentication protocol
c223 (CHAP).
01-28-1999 00:33:20.78 - LCP : Received and accepted magic number 16d6751d.
01-28-1999 00:33:20.78 - LCP : Received and accepted protocol field
compression option.
01-28-1999 00:33:20.78 - LCP : Received and accepted address+control field
compression option.
01-28-1999 00:33:20.78 - LCP : Rejecting unknown option 17.
01-28-1999 00:33:20.78 - LCP : Rejecting unknown option 19.
01-28-1999 00:33:20.92 - LCP : Received and accepted MRU of 1514.
01-28-1999 00:33:20.92 - LCP : Received and accepted ACCM of 0.
01-28-1999 00:33:20.92 - LCP : Received and accepted authentication protocol
c223 (CHAP).
01-28-1999 00:33:20.92 - LCP : Received and accepted magic number 16d6751d.
01-28-1999 00:33:20.92 - LCP : Received and accepted protocol field
compression option.
01-28-1999 00:33:20.92 - LCP : Received and accepted address+control field
compression option.
01-28-1999 00:33:23.73 - LCP : Received configure reject for callback
control protocol option.
01-28-1999 00:33:23.86 - LCP : Layer up.
01-28-1999 00:33:23.86 - CHAP : Layer started.
01-28-1999 00:33:24.65 - CHAP : Login was successful.
01-28-1999 00:33:24.65 - CHAP : Layer up.
01-28-1999 00:33:24.65 - IPCP : Layer started.
01-28-1999 00:33:24.65 - IPCP : IP address is 0.
01-28-1999 00:33:24.65 - CCP : Layer started.
01-28-1999 00:33:24.67 - IPCP : Received and accepted compression protocol
request f 0.
01-28-1999 00:33:24.67 - IPCP : Received and accepted IP address of
8ec2e15d.
01-28-1999 00:33:24.80 - FSA : Received protocol reject for control protocol
80fd.
01-28-1999 00:33:24.80 - CCP : Layer finished.
01-28-1999 00:33:24.90 - IPCP : Changing IP address from 0 to 8ec2e42a.
01-28-1999 00:33:25.01 - IPCP : Layer up.
01-28-1999 00:33:25.01 - FSA : Last control protocol is up.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: PPP dial-up connection with RH5.2
Date: 28 Jan 1999 05:52:59 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gregory Propf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> First, where is the log file so I can look at it.(Debug is enabled)
/var/log/messages
>> Second, my ISP says (I don't think they really know for sure) they don't
>> use PAP and alas I have tried it with PAP and without to the same end.
They then use a logon. So look for ogon: or ame: in your chat script and
assword:
>> Please help, it's getting a little frustrating and I'm about to give up.
>> I tired of trying to decipher the endless trail of FAQ's and HOWTO's and
>> mini-HOWTO's and man pages.
I'll send you another one (shorter and to the point I hope)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dr Paul Kinsler)
Subject: Re: ftape - difficulties with floppy controller
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:51:51 +0000 (GMT)
Dr. Dirk Melcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have difficulties with ftape and my floppy streamer. When I try to use
> the ftape device I get the following lines in /var/log messages:
Yeah -- the floppy-drive and the tape drive interfere with
each other, and cant be used simultaneously. Before using
the tape driver, unload the floppy-module from your kernel[1].
This (most of the time) works for me. This is in the
Ftape-HOWTO, section 4.4
[1] You might need to recompile your kernel, with floppy
support as a module.
#Paul.
--
==============================+==============================
Dr. Paul Kinsler
Institute of Microwaves and Photonics
University of Leeds (ph) +44-113-2332089
Leeds LS2 9JT (fax)+44-113-2332032
United Kingdom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WEB: http://www.ee.leeds.ac.uk/staff/pk/P.Kinsler.html
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From: "Wael Sedky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]*>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: Help, Kernel too big
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:05:15 -0800
This is really cool
>......... Escape the 'Gates' of Hell
> `:::' ....... ......
> ::: * `::. ::'
> ::: .:: .:.::. .:: .:: `::. :'
> ::: :: :: :: :: :: :::.
> ::: .::. .:: ::. `::::. .:' ::.
>...:::.....................::' .::::..
>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>
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From: El Cabron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: [Famous Finn] Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:04:29 -0800
you also forget japan (1904-1905)
Matthias Warkus wrote:
> It was the 13 Jan 1999 12:53:00 GMT...
> ..and C Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [Finland]
> > and it is the only country to successfully invade Russia and win.
>
> You forget Poland (~1922).
>
> mawa
> --
> Matthias Warkus | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dyson Spheres for sale!
> My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
> It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
> lowers your social status...
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From: Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:52:25 -0500
Matthias Warkus wrote:
>
> It was the 26 Jan 1999 13:32:02 GMT...
> ..and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst Matthias Warkus
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
> > : <snicker> At least, they tell you the shape of your country in Germany, and
> > : they give you a free copy of the Constitution. And you don't need to pledge
> > : allegiance to a stupid *flag* - we ditched that kind of silliness after 1945.
> >
> > And we never had that kind of silliness in the first place...
>
> You never had *flags*?
> That's news to me.
>
> mawa
> --
> Matthias Warkus | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dyson Spheres for sale!
> My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
> It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
> lowers your social status...
Does anyone post Linux questions anymore or is this an International
pissing contest ?? "My countries bigger than yours" ??
--
Gary Pagliaro RN
ICQ#1405727
http://www.idsi.net/nurseman/index.htm
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