Linux-Misc Digest #692, Volume #19 Thu, 1 Apr 99 22:13:08 EST
Contents:
ddd and lesstif (James Lee)
Re: C++ Heeeelp!!!! (Michael Chajkowski)
Re: GNOME compliant window manager - not - help on E setup (Kent Perrier)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Charles E Taylor IV)
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0 (Johan Kullstam)
Is it possible to extend the number of Filedescriptors? (steph M)
Re: IP Masquerading ("Chris Happel")
Re: Email in Linux (Michael Powe)
Re: Slackware and XWindows environments (Michael Powe)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Michael Powe)
Apache/PHP persistent variables ?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Proposal: "Linux 2000 Platform" (Alexander Viro)
Re: Removing programs ("David Z. Maze")
Re: Is there a utility to image-copy a Linux disk? ("Chris Happel")
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0 (wizard)
Re: No-Win Modem Situation (Robert Heller)
Re: module configuration ("David Z. Maze")
Re: Keystrokes (was Re: Help with .tar.gz) (Jeremy)
RAD for Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Libraries hosed (yan seiner)
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From: James Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ddd and lesstif
Date: 1 Apr 1999 16:08:31 -0600
Hi,
I've ddd 3.1.3 and lesstif 0.88 compiled in to be compliant with Motif
1.2 on a RH 5.2 machine. Every time I try to edit
preferences, the following message appears :
Warning:
Name: menubar
Class: XmRowColumn
RowColumn.c(3547) - Restoring focus to NULL widget!
Must have missed a focus save somewhere.
And then if I try to change anything in the popup, the border of the
the small popup window blinks continuously and ddd hangs.
I'm wondering if this problem is ddd's or lesstif's?
Also, the cursor is always the dotted vertical line instead of the
solid line that I normally get on another machine. NOrmally that
indicates that the mouse is not inside the window, but I can still
type things inside the debugger window. Is something wrong with my
pointer focus setting?
thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Chajkowski)
Subject: Re: C++ Heeeelp!!!!
Date: 2 Apr 1999 01:46:00 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The documentation you are looking for should have been included in the package
you downloaded and installed. Understand that I am using emx/gcc under OS/2,
so I do not know exactly where you would find the files or even what they
would be called.
The c library references are for emx, not gcc.
If you cannot find the documentation for the c library reference, let me know
and I can send you a text only version of the reference manual. Note that you
should already have this on your system.
>From the emx 0.9d library reference manual:
Headers:
#include <sys/video.h>
Prototype:
void v_clear (void);
Compatibility:
emx
Description:
Clear the screen using the current attributes.
See also: v_attrib(), v_clreol()
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Robert Heller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:>
:> "No Spam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
:> In a message on Thu, 01 Apr 1999 03:30:09 GMT, wrote :
:>
:>"S> Hi all,
:>"S> I am wondering if there is a documentation somewhere about using C++ under
:>"S> Linux. I have found documentation about using gcc/g++, but it is about
:>"S> compiler features and not language features. A simple example (not the only
:>"S> question) is the alternative of Borland's "clrscr" command. Where can I find
:>"S> specific features like these? I am sure a lot of people know otherwise we
:>"S> wouldn't have all these wonderful Linux programs :)
:>"S>
:>"S> Please feel free to suggest a good book.
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From: Kent Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GNOME compliant window manager - not - help on E setup
Date: 01 Apr 1999 19:51:43 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Conover) writes:
>
> Also, is there and good HOWTO on installing gnome & E? (I suspect not, but
>I figured I'd give it a try). I've already looked at "One long night" on
>the E site, but that didn't really help much.
>
Look at http://www.gnome.org/start/
Kent
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles E Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:36:10 -0500
In article <eCLUtr0e#[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Word, WordPerfect, Claris Write, Ami Pro etc are all examples of
> software that's more productive in editing text files than vi.
Keep in mind we're talking *text files* here. Editing a *text file*
in the likes of Word or Wordperfect is a pain in the ass, as these
programs are word processors. They're meant for editing things with
lots of formatting, etc. I wouldn't try editing my .bashrc with them.
Or this usenet post.
Personally, I can't stand vi. But to say that using Wordperfect to
edit a simple text file is "more productive" is just plain wrong. I
could have made my change in pico or emacs before WP has the document
open. :)
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Charles E Taylor IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 01 Apr 1999 20:36:45 -0500
Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Bill Anderson wrote:
> >
> > The developers at RH *do* produce code. They *do* do more than
> > just collect Linux apps into one.
> > Various things they do have been pointed out here in this thread.
> > Among them are sysadmin apps, and the install process, as well
> > as RPM itsself.
> > To ignore these facts, and claim they do nothing other than
> > collect stuff, is to appear foolish.
> >
> Are you suggesting that the Redhat sysadmin apps, install process
> etc are *essential* to run Linux?
no such claim is or has been made. why do you bring it up?
> If so you are wrong. All they do is tie you in to doing it the
> Redhat way!
wrong again. does using perl prevent you from using awk? does emacs
keep you from enjoying vi? i thought not. now go away.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: steph M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Is it possible to extend the number of Filedescriptors?
Date: 01 Apr 1999 17:52:01 PST
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi!
I want to change the number of filedescriptor on linux. I know a way to
do that:
"cat 4096 > /proc/sys/kernel/inode-max",
"cat 3072 > /proc/sys/kernel/file-max"
But it's not a good way.
Does Anybody know the right way to change the number of inode and file
??
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From: "Chris Happel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IP Masquerading
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:03:42 -0600
What you need is to define a WINS server on the other side, and then tell
your workstation about it (in the network setup). I'm afraid I can't tell
you if that information will be correctly passed through the masquerading
software, though. You'll just have to try it, or wait for a better
suggestion. I have set this up to work through regular routers, with pretty
good success. (I found that even though I only have one WINS server, I had
to define it as both the primary and secondary before it would work).
Chris Happel, MCSE
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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>
>I've got IP masquerading to work now (took me a while!). I used to be
>in a windoze workgroup, but now have my windows computer masked behind
>the linux box. Is there any way I can get the windows box to see the
>others in the workgroup? Or am I doomed to a life without my
>workgroup?
>Thanks
>
>Ollie
>
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Email in Linux
Date: 31 Mar 1999 15:47:19 -0800
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>>>>> "Steve" == Steve D Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Steve> Man, I'm about to lose my mind figuring out how to get
Steve> email to work on my Linux box through a dial-in ISP
Steve> connection! If it matters, I am running Netscape 4.51 on
Steve> KDE 1.1 (using "kppp" to dial in to the ISP), running on
Steve> RedHat 5.2. I do have a network card in the machine, but
Steve> it's not configured under Linux... this is my standalone
Steve> home PC.
Steve> I've tried using my ISP's mail server in the SMTP
Steve> settings (as well as a couple of other different SMTP
Steve> servers I have access to), and whenever I try to send an
Steve> email the application tries for an eternity before finally
Steve> timing out. I try using "localhost" as my SMTP server...
Steve> and the messages all seem to go through without error.
Steve> However, they never actually arrive... and "Undelieverable
Steve> Mail" messages keep getting send to the "root" mailbox on
Steve> my system.
It sounds like you may not have your hosts configured correctly.
Check these first.
8<-------------------------------------->8
/etc/host.conf
order hosts, bind
multi on
8<-------------------------------------->8
/etc/hosts
# For loopbacking.
127.0.0.1 localhost
192.168.0.1 trollope.org trollope
# End of hosts.
8<-------------------------------------->8
/etc/resolv.conf
# nameserver should be from your ISP
search org
nameserver 192.108.254.11
8<-------------------------------------->8
Steve> There are two kicks. First... mail *sometimes*
Steve> actually works, with either my ISP or localhost specified
Steve> as my SMTP server. However, this is totally unpredictable.
Steve> Secondly... I'm getting the same results using both
Steve> Netscape Mail and the simple "kmail" program that comes
Steve> with KDE, although the success rate is dramatically lower
Steve> for Netscape.
I don't use netscrape for mail but I have used Pine for direct SMTP
mail. You can configure Pine to send mail directly while online;
perhaps, you should try this first. Pine is pretty well-behaved and
will actually tell you what's going on if an error occurs.
Steve> instance... "sendmail" shouldn't be running on the system
Steve> if the machine is used for dial-up internet access only, or
Steve> perhaps "sendmail" SHOULD be running but is configured
Steve> incorrectly (I didn't stray beyond the defaults when I
Steve> installed RedHat). I just can't think any more obvious
Steve> reasons why I'm having to dual-boot back to my Windoze box
Steve> in order to send email! <smile>
Sendmail is a middleman for the mail process when it does not include
direct SMTP. Direct SMTP means your mail client talks directly to the
server (�� la Pine). If you want to have mail queued and sent
automatically when you go online, you want sendmail. You also need to
do something to get mail down from your server. Some progs will read
mail spools on remote servers, but this probably is not a good
solution. Fetchmail is what I use.
The normal process (using sendmail) goes something like this:
client --> spool --> sendmail --> your ISP
your ISP --> fetchmail --> sendmail --> procmail --> inbox
mp
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Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Slackware and XWindows environments
Date: 31 Mar 1999 15:06:27 -0800
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>>>>> "Richard" == Richard R Urena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Richard> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> The reason I'm asking is that I'm currently unhappy with what
>> my XWindows setup looks like now and I want to change it.
Richard> Once you find one that you sort of like; you can make it
Richard> your permantent choice by editing the last line of the
Richard> "startx" script. Then read the appropriate man page
Richard> (e.g. man fvwm2) for who to configure it.
This is not correct. Put the appropriate wm in ~/.xinitrc. E.g.,
exec xfwm
mp
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Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: 31 Mar 1999 15:14:01 -0800
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>>>>> "Harry" == Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Harry> When I went from using WordStar, with its Ctrl-K commands,
Harry> to an early version of Word on the Macintosh, selecting
Harry> text etc using click and drag did seem to void all the time
Harry> and effort I spent learning WordStar control
Harry> sequences. However, it also made editing easier and more
Harry> productive.
I doubt it. The operative word is `seem.' I find it far more
time-consuming to have to keep moving back and forth from mouse to
keyboard to mouse to keyboard, in order to accomplish something I can
do <on> the keyboard in emacs with a few keystrokes.
I certainly get far more work done in emacs than I am able to do in
Word, Wordpad or notepad. In fact, I finally broke down and installed
NTemacs at work, just for that reason.
Harry> Life's too short for vi.
True, that's why you should be using emacs.
mp
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Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Apache/PHP persistent variables ??
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 00:09:39 GMT
When I worked in IIS/ASP, there was a variable scoping for sesson
variables and application varaiables. This allowed data to be stored
in memmory, ratherthan writing everything to cookies on each clients
machine. more important were the application scope variables, which
allowed multiple sessions to "share" a set of variables in memory.
Anyway, is there some similar type of scoping available under Apache
or PHP ? I wantto avoid excessive database reads or cookie writes, yet
I need to have data persist longer than asingle connection. I have
looked thru my books on Apache and PHP, but cannot seem to find what I
am looking for.
Any hints appreciated..
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Proposal: "Linux 2000 Platform"
Date: 1 Apr 1999 21:34:22 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jeremy Crabtree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Kendall Bennett allegedly wrote:
[snip Kendall's marketspeak]
>>Linux 2000 Workstation
>>----------------------
>>Base components:
>> . Standard locations for all configuration files!
>Such as? For the most part they live in /etc .
>> . Glibc based
>> . RPM for package manager
>I suggest dpkg instead, it's a bit more, shall we say, 'advanced'.
Seconded, with possible ports integration.
>(I use Slackware, and I don't use ANY package managers ;)
>> . GNU make, C/C++ compiler and development libraries
>Well, DUH! ;)
>> . XFree86 installed to /usr/X11R6/lib (or /usr/X11)
Optional. Install libs if you are so inclined, but server and
applications do not belong to required part.
>Or both, thanks to the wonders of sym-links.
Exactly.
>>Optional components:
>> . Web browser (Netscape or Mozilla variation?)
Or lynx, or any other browser. What's the difference for 3-rd party
applications?
>> . Need more suggestions here!
>>Linux 2000 Server
>>-----------------
>>Base components:
>> . Standard locations for all configuration files!
>See above.
>> . Glibc based
>> . RPM for package manager
>See above.
>> . GNU make, C/C++ compiler and development libraries
>Again DUH! ;)
>> . XFree86 installed to /usr/X11R6/lib (or /usr/X11)
On *SERVER*???
>See above.
>
>> . Ftp, telnet servers
>> . Apache web server
>Naturally.
Depends on the kind of server. No need to install ftpd
(which one, BTW?) on a webserver, etc.
>> . Web browser (Netscape or Mozilla variation?)
>
>On a server, this goes in the optional category.
On a server it goes into the bitbucket. CD goes into the microwave.
Proud users are invited to make a call in case if they want to buy a nice
bridge in NY.
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Removing programs
Date: 01 Apr 1999 21:45:39 -0500
Jing Duan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
JD> I am new to Linux and like to try different programs. But, after
JD> I install them, how can I safely remove them? I don't want
JD> anything left behind.
JD>
JD> I am using Slackware 3.6. I know there is a pkgtool for binary
JD> packages. But for some software, I compile them and use "make
JD> install" to install.
Umm. Very carefully, then.
You might look into using GNU stow to put installed packages into
their own sandbox, generally somewhere under /usr/local. Logging the
output of 'make install' might help, too. But really, this is just a
pain to do under Slackware. (It's much less of a pain under Linux
distributions with working package managers. <plug>As an ex-Slackware
user, I like Debian. :-)</plug>)
--
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: "Chris Happel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is there a utility to image-copy a Linux disk?
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:18:13 -0600
I believe Power Quest's Drive Copy (or Drive Image, depending on what you
want to copy to) will do what you are looking for. I've had great success
using it with windows, and it claims to support Linux (although I've never
personnally tried it). The only thing I hate is there licensing policy ($$$
for each use). Would I pay Craftsman $7 for each screw I put their
screwdriver in? pay per nail for my hammer? Or maybe pay $500 for the
"enterprise" screwdriver? (this is actually nothing but your conscious to
stop you from using it multiple times, not that I've done it myself ;-)
Sorry for the ranting. Check out
www.powerquest.com
Chris Happel
Warren Odom wrote in message <7duauo$sor$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Sorry if my ignorance is showing, but I just want to make a more-or-less
>image copy of my Linux disk, for disaster recovery (and do it quickly).
>Sort of like DISKCOPY on DOS, but it would be nice if it let me copy to a
>different size disk. Or it wouldn't even have to be a block-for-block
image
>copy, as long as the same software could restore it to the original disk,
in
>the original format, on demand.
>
>Does such a utility come with Linux, or is such available elsewhere?
>
> Thanks for any info -- Warren
>
>
>
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From: wizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:44:24 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Matthias Warkus wrote:
> It was the Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:22:09 +1200...
> ..and Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Johan Kullstam wrote:
> > >
> > > Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > > Bloatware. I suppose you'd go for it if someone were to meet you
> > > > at the door of the supermarket, sent you round to the exit, and
> > > > insisted that you take a trolley, packed the way that *they*
> > > > decide is best.
> > >
> > > no one makes you install these things.
> > >
> > No indeed, but lots of people do. Lots of people also install
> > Microsoft products too.
> >
> > All RedHat does is pull together a consistent set of stuff so that
> > people don't have to do it themselves. That's good. But to suggest
> > that they actually add value apart from that is rubbish.
>
> Of course they add value. The fact that all the diverse stuff is
> working together smoothly is added value already. NB they throw in
> stuff like a package management system, a bunch of configuration
> utilities etc. etc. - in my book, this is added value.
>
> mawa
> --
> When you look at yourself in an aberrational mirror, you see your real
> self, looking back at the twisted you.
> -- Dr. (?) Bob Miller, "The Aberrational View of the Universe",
> Twisted Science, Heat, National Public Radio
On top of adding value the strengthen the Linux code base by setting
things like RPM free. The other key item that everyone overlooks is
the large amount of effort the people at RedHat, Suse and others put into
driver development. If that does add value I don't know what does.
The simple fact is that the RedHat Cd gets a lot of people involved in
Linux that might not otherwise. This is truely a good thing.
Dave
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No-Win Modem Situation
Date: 1 Apr 1999 00:57:37 GMT
James Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on 31 Mar 1999 16:54:09 -0600, wrote :
JL> Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
JL>
JL> : Not really. All *external* modems are (and always will be) Linux
JL> : friendly.
JL>
JL> Is this always true? I did a quick search on pricewatch.com for
JL> external modems, and one came up with a "External Fax/Modem (Windows
JL> Version)". The USBs all say Windows, and I know Linux isn't ready for
JL> it yet. But does non-USB external modem really = linux friendly?
All RS232 style external modems that speak the Hayes AT command set are
linux friendly. The 'Windows Version' labeling on these modems mean
that they have the 'Intel-PC' type of serial cable (eg DB-9 or DB25) vs.
the 'Mac' type of serial cable (little round thingy). It also means
that the included software (eg brand-X Fax/Dial-up/Comm) is the Windows
version as opposed to the Mac version. For linux, you need the cable
that matches your hardware -- the 'Windows' version if you have an
Intel PC or the Mac version if you are using Linux-ppc on a Mac-ish box.
In both cases, the included software is filed in the 'round' file beside
you desk. If the software is on floppies, then you can use 'format
/dev/fd0?' on them and they then become useful for things like rescue
floppies or boot/root disks.
The most you might need to is fiddle with the init strings, but this is
just a matter of chat scripts and related config files.
--
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: module configuration
Date: 01 Apr 1999 21:53:54 -0500
Troy Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Troy> My research told me I would need the IPCHAINS utility
Troy> and to get it, I'd have to upgrade my kernel so I upgraded to
Troy> 2.2.4. I also installed modules-2.0.0. (I'm assuming this is
Troy> the modules to use since it was the latest available at the
Troy> time.)
Then you clearly didn't RTFM for the new kernel. Look at
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/Changes, which lists modutils-2.1.121 as
the minimum required version. A pointer to where to get the package
is listed in the file.
Troy> NONE of my modules load, so I'm hoping it's a simple problem.
Having a broken (or outdated) insmod would definitely do this, yeah.
:-)
--
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Keystrokes (was Re: Help with .tar.gz)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:46:34 -0600
Hal Sadofsky wrote:
> Thomas S. Urban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >zcat package.tar.gz | tar tvf -
> >
> >to see what's in the package - most create their own directory,
> >but some don't and will clutter up your pwd. Then 7
> >keystrokes: <up-arrow> 4 x <left-arrow> <backspace> <x>
> >gives me:
> >zcat package.tar.gz | tar xvf -
> Well, if your preference is _really_ for fewer keystrokes,
>
> tar tzvf package.tar.gz
>
> saves 8 keystrokes out of what you typed above, and for unpacking
> <up-arrow> <CTL-A> 6 x <right-arrow> <backspace> <x> requires
> two more, for a net savings of 6.
Why stop there?
tar tzvf package.tar.gz
(don't forget to use <TAB> completion on that filename)
then to unpack:
^tz^xz
to use the nifty shell replacement stuff. Or I guess you could use
Windows and not touch the keyboard at all...uhhhh...hmmm...
Jeremy
> Save Keystrokes! Collect them! Trade them with your friends.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RAD for Linux
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 00:51:57 GMT
Hi all,
Is there any kind of RAD environment for Linux for developing GUI
applications, something like Borland C++ stuff?
How do vxWindows, V, Tk, GTK, Qt, amulet, etc. compare with each other? Which
one is the easiest to use and has the shortest learning curve?
BOB
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From: yan seiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Libraries hosed
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:54:48 -0500
Well I learned something. Thou shalt not mess with libraries!
SOmehow, some of the libs in /lib got "upgraded" - they had different
file sizes and more recent dates than the CD, but the versions were the
same. One or more of them was the culprit that was causing all the
headaches; so I tried to restore one at a time from the CD. No such
luck; the domino theory was proven and my server crashed completely and
irrevocably this morning. As the login was hosed, there was no way to
recover the machine without a complete reinstall (the upgrade did not
upgrade the libs).
It took 3 hours to get some semblance of the server running. The linux
file system was rock solid, and I could copy all the config files from
the old locations so there really was very little reconstruction. For
obvious reasons I did not trust the backups.
Q: is it common (or even uncommon) for an app to upgrade libs? I think
all this started when I installed WindowMaker, but it was so gradual and
it did not effect samba at all until the end that I did not notice. Is
there some way to prevent an app from upgrading the libs?
Could this have been the result of a hack? I've found no other
evidence; and I only advance this as it seems to be the thing to blame
when admins like myself screw up. It gives us a nice scapegoat and job
security ;-)
Thanks,
Yan
Yan Seiner wrote:
>
> RH 5.1
>
> All right! I finally figured out what's causing the xterm windows to
> fail and the login to bomb. Somewhere I got a bad bunch of libraries
> installed in /lib. Now here's the weird thing:
>
> I copied a fresh library to /lib (I forget which one) and xterm came
> up. Then I ran ldconfig to regenerate the cache and xterm quit working.
>
> So what can I do to get fresh libraries installed? Will the RH update
> hose any of my config? Can I just install the libraries off the CD? If
> so, How?
>
> This is my production server, so I can't really afford to play around
> with this thing.
>
> Any help at all will be greatly appreciated; I have spent way too much
> time on this already :-(
>
> Thanks
>
> Yan
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