Linux-Misc Digest #692, Volume #21 Sun, 5 Sep 99 20:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (David M. Cook)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (ORRIN)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie ("K. Bjarnason")
Re: Figure Out The MS Source Code Yourself (Chris Mahmood)
Re: Is MS *.asf format supported? (William McBrine)
Re: Recover deleted files? (Chris Mahmood)
Re: amount of modems in linux... (Chris Mahmood)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Re: News reader and email app? (Spike!)
Re: Distributions RH, Suse, Mandrake (Spike!)
Re: full backup minus content of CD (Spike!)
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Guy Macon)
Re: Figure Out The MS Source Code Yourself (Spike!)
Re: good news for small systems regardinging netscape (Spike!)
Re: Removing a package from linux? (Spike!)
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Guy Macon)
Re: Distributions RH, Suse, Mandrake (Spike!)
Re: Bash not running executables (Spike!)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 22:08:56 GMT
On 5 Sep 1999 04:54:05 GMT, Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>BTW). Nothing happened. No windows could open, it seemed. Finally had to do
>a power-down to get out of it.
Next time something like that happens, try ctrl-alt-backspace.
You should get all the updates from ftp://updates.redhat.com or a mirror
site (see http://www.redhat.com/mirrors.html ). The XFree and GNOME updates
should make the desktop more stable.
Unfortunately, X.0 Redhat releases tend to be pretty buggy as they
are pushing the envelope.
>c)Not quite a crash, but several times, when I have tried to go to a page
>that 404s under netscape, netscape just closes down. Charming again. (Go to
Well, netscape 4.x is pretty buggy, unfortunately. You might try upgrading
to 4.6 or 4.61. Opera should be available soon.
>But let me guess -- it was running as a server, happily chugging through a
No, plenty of people have very stable workstations. They probably don't use
gnome and are conservative about software and hardware choices. See
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/08/27/1641223
>First task, of course, is to find a decent newsreader. It appears there
>aren't any, at least if I want to use something a little more
>sophisiticated than trn, tin, slrn, or other 'cat walking on the keyboard'
What's wrong with slrn? You have DSL, so I assume you don't need an offline
newsreader.
[snip tales of woe related to inexperience]
I suggest you look for RPMs of the apps you want at rpmfind.net.
>Why the SMEG does X write output to STDOUT when you can't SEE it until you
Actually, the messages go to STDERR. Try startx 2> x.out, then read x.out.
>If you are going to have a taskbar at the bottom of the screen, make sure
>the applications know it is there.
GNOME apps know about it.
>Is it just me, or is X rather, uhm, sluggish? I have a PII 400 and the
>whole GUI felt like it was running in molasses. Is there some 'trick' to
>speeding it up?
What video card? How much RAM? I'd want at least 64M for GNOME.
Try running "top" to see what apps are using up the CPU. You can hit "M" in
top to get a listing sorted by memory usage.
Dave Cook
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From: ORRIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 18:08:02 -0400
On 5 Sep 1999 18:47:12 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lizard) wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) wrote in
><7qubj9$7q7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>>Netscape is quite probably the most fragile program I've run under
>>>Linux. You probably didn't have to power down, though. Ctl-Alt-Fx to
>>
>>I just had the priviledge of using it under Solaris. It is just as
>>fragile there. It is Netscape, not Linux.
>
>Recommendations, other than lynx, then? (I wonder if there will ever be a
>Linux version of Opera...)
There working on it... see www.operasoftware.com
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From: "K. Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:14:07 -0700
[snips]
Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Lizard wrote:
>
> > was working, etc. Tried to launch Netscape. Nothing happened. Tried some
> > other apps. Nothing happened. Tried to logout (this is all under Gnome,
> > BTW). Nothing happened. No windows could open, it seemed. Finally had to
do
> > a power-down to get out of it.
>
> Netscape is quite probably the most fragile program I've run under
> Linux. You probably didn't have to power down, though. Ctl-Alt-Fx to
> another console, log in as root, run ps ax |grep netscape to find the
> process number, and kill the errant Netscape process. If worse comes to
> worst, Ctl-Alt-Bkspc will kill X.
Open another console.
Log in as root.
run ps ax | grep netscape
Find the process numnber
kill process
I especially like "ps ax | grep netscape"
Stop for one moment and ponder this scenario:
Granddad, who until now has only ever used Win31 or Mac, is presented with a
*nix box. Netscape fries. Ask yourself just how long it will take him to
figure out that he has to run "ps ax | grep netscape". Oh, he should just
call me? Fine; ponder trying to walk him through this over the phone. Now,
compare that to walking him through closing the app or even rebooting under
Win9x or NT.
Now keep in mind that Granddad is a potential customer - one of thousands,
if not millions like him - who are potentially going to buy and use your OS.
Does he care that Linux will run his apps 10% faster? Or that it uses less
RAM? No. He cares that he can actually use it without a 6-month course in
how to do things which should be point-and-click simple.
"ps ax | grep netscape" indeed.
> Sounds like the java problem - see the RH site for the fix.
Click "Windows update" in the start menu. Any bugfixes, new drivers
(ms-supplied ones, at least), etc, are listed - select the ones you want,
click "Install".
> > d)A few other crashes, I forget the circumstances. Rather than the
robust
> > he-man operating system I was expecting, I find I am terrified to do
> > anything, for fear of having to reboot yet again.
>
> You're blaming Linux for buggy software.
Oddly enough, the Linux crowd often whines that buggy Windows apps can bring
down even NT (a situation I've only ever seen once, BTW). It's okay for
Linux folks to whine about Windows having this problem, but it's not okay to
point out that Linux has the same failing? The mind boggles.
> Again, you almost certainly
> didn't need to reboot, even if X gets hosed by a buggy program. I think
> I have had to hard-reset maybe 3 times in the 2 years I've been
> hammering on Linux. Learn about ps and kill.
No, do NOT learn about "ps" and "kill" - ask the Linux community why an OS
presumably aimed at taking over from MS (according to many of the hypesters,
at any rate) can't handle something as basic as a point-and-click "kill
process" operation as easily as Windows does?
> There is a learning curve, all right. Yes, sometimes installing a
> program can be convoluted. That's why RPM was invented. It works quite
> well. You can find RPMs for just about anything at Freshmeat or some of
> the other repositories.
I haven't worked with RPM (been a while since last I ran Linux, although I
have Mandrake sitting here waiting for my new CD to get put in before I fire
it up.) Is it smart enough that - like a typical Windows install - you can
have the entire app installed and running in perhaps a half-dozen mouse
clicks, without even really having to know how your system is configured?
Could be; as I said, I haven't worked with it.
> > Directories do not need version names, especially for enduser apps.
> > 'FooBar1.01-45A-intel-linux-2.0' is a *stupid* name for a directory. (Or
a
> > file, for that matter). Since the Macintosh, which also permits very
long
> > file names, is NOT afflicted with this sort of nonsense, I don't see why
> > Linux has to be.
>
> There is important information in those funky filenames.
To a developer, certainly - but *not* to a user. The user doesn't give a
damn if he's running 1.01-45A or 1.20.39B, other than to know he's running
the latest and greatest version - which he gets because someone hands it to
him, or he has seen the product's website and has seen "Version foo just
released!". He certainly doesn't care about the "intel" or "linux" part.
>You have a
> multi-platform system, with many tools and apps being very actively
> developed, and things need to be distinguished. It's not nonsense.
For a *developer*. Who cares how messy things get on development systems -
we're used to it, and we want it that way, because we can keep track of
things. For users, "AppDemo" should exist in exactly one place, presumably
called "AppDemo", so the user doesn't end up with 53 copies of old versions
lying around sucking up space for no reason, and he knows, when he goes
browsing, exactly what a given directory belongs to.
> In spite of recent advances in installation and desktop environments,
> Linux still has plenty of curveballs for the novice. But I found it well
> worth it to just hang in there. Linux will pay you back great dividends
> for whatever you invest in it.
Again, for a developer, or someone of equivalent experience with "getting
your hands dirty". I don't see, for the moment, it doing a damn thing for
Granddad or any of the thousands or millions of users like him, who don't
_want_ to get their hands dirty - they just want simple point-and-click, it
installs, it runs, it's done.
Linux is great on its technical merits - but ease-of-use for the novice,
especially to the novice at computing in general, not just to Linux - does
not appear to be one of those strengths.
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Figure Out The MS Source Code Yourself
Date: 05 Sep 1999 15:04:58 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaz Kylheku) writes:
> Anyone got any advice on how to killfile all this crap?
> I hope I don't have to do it on the CNET string in the
> article bodies! Would it make sense just to
> nuke everything coming from supernews?
My gnus killfile for all Linux groups is this:
(gnus-kill "From" "aol.com")
(gnus-kill "From" "webtv")
(gnus-kill "From" "yahoo.com")
(gnus-kill "From" "msn.com")
(gnus-kill "From" "cs.com")
(gnus-kill "From" "hotmail.com")
(gnus-kill "From" "deja.com")
(gnus-kill "From" "excite.com")
(gnus-kill "From" "lycos.com")
(gnus-kill "From" "geocities.com")
(gnus-kill "From" "hotbot.com")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "[Tt]est")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "[Ii]gnore")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "[Aa]fordable")
(gnus-expunge "X")
Yes, it's a bit extreme. This is in addition to deleting any article
crossposted to more than 5 groups. You can setup a similar sorts of
kills with slrn. I hadn't noticed a problem with supernews, but since
I'm already excluding about 1/2 of the posts I might as well add them
too ;
-ckm
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From: William McBrine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is MS *.asf format supported?
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 23:24:45 GMT
Beat Rupp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I have a decent movie in asf format here and unfortulately it only
: works with windows netshow player. Any suggestions to get that running
: in Linux?
Nag Microsoft to release the updated Linux version of Netshow (aka Windows
Media Player) which they promised long ago. (There _is_ a Linux version of
Netshow, but it's somewhat outdated.)
--
William McBrine | http://www.clark.net/~wmcbrine/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Disclaimer: I speak for God.
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Recover deleted files?
Date: 05 Sep 1999 15:39:45 -0700
Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I doubt if this is possible to do this under any Unix
> filesystem, as a practical matter. In principle, the data
> could be sitting there on the disk, but most likely some of
> it has already been overwritten by normal ongoing processes.
> And trying to reassemble a large zip file would be virtually
> impossible. But perhaps some expert will have some suggestions.
There is an 'Undeletion Mini-Howto', although I've never tried it
myself. If the data is important enough (which it obviously wasn't
since it wasn't backed-up), the are companies that specialize in this
sort of thing.
When will the consumer distibutions start shipping with an alias for
rm that moves the file to a '~/.trash' directory instead of really
deleting it?
-ckm
Tortoise: What's purple and commutes?
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: amount of modems in linux...
Date: 05 Sep 1999 15:44:11 -0700
Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Put the Winmodem in
> some other computer running only Windows or sell/give it away.
Better yet, sharpen the edges and throw it ninja-style at the clerk
who sold it to you.
Hare: An Abelian group?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:52:39 -0700
On 5 Sep 1999 18:47:12 GMT, Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) wrote in
><7qubj9$7q7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>>Netscape is quite probably the most fragile program I've run under
>>>Linux. You probably didn't have to power down, though. Ctl-Alt-Fx to
>>
>>I just had the priviledge of using it under Solaris. It is just as
>>fragile there. It is Netscape, not Linux.
>
>Recommendations, other than lynx, then? (I wonder if there will ever be a
>Linux version of Opera...)
Try using the KDE file mangler as a webbrowser. It's not Netscape
in terms of included features but it's not a bad browser these
days.
Also, I will repeat my request that kfm be usable as a browser
without taking the rest of the root desktop along for the ride.
--
It helps the car, in terms of end user complexity and engineering,
that a car is not expected to suddenly become wood chipper at some |||
arbitrary point as it's rolling down the road. / | \
Seeking sane PPP Docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: News reader and email app?
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:09:50 +0100
And verily, didst Tobias Anderberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
>>Could anyone recommend some good News reader and email app for Linux?
> I use Pine for email and slrn for news. I like slrn because
> it's an console app and very fast, nice scoring and so on. It
> also reminds me about the good ol' Fido days :-)
> Though my advise would be that you go to fresmeat.net and
> serch for news and mail, and try as many of them as you
> can (want) and decide which to use based on your own
> preference.
Most of the common ones should be included on every linux Distro CD.
(To save download time)
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Distributions RH, Suse, Mandrake
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:53:58 +0100
And verily, didst Jason Rotunno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
> what happened to linux being free. can't you download it at no cost?
No cost? What about phone bills?
It'd cost more in phone charges to download a distribution than it would to
buy a full boxed set... Especially one as big as SuSE...
(No free local calls in Europe, y'know)
Besides, even with free local calls, time is money, and I for one would not
want to contemplate downloading over 1 gig of software... Even on a T1 line,
that'd take hours....
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: full backup minus content of CD
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:05:56 +0100
And verily, didst [EMAIL PROTECTED] eloquently scribe:
> Since I will be upgrading a certain OS made by Microsoft on my machine,
> I thought I'd backup my Linux partitions first. Of course the question
> is: How? I don't have a CDR, so must be selective. For example, I am
> interested in backing up all files on the system EXCEPT those that come
> from the Linux CD and are unmodified. How do I find out which ones are?
The only partitions/directories you should need to backup are
/root
/etc
/home
/var
and possibly /tmp
(There may be stuff there waiting to be processed in some way)
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| Andrew Halliwell BSc |"The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Guy Macon)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: 05 Sep 1999 16:46:10 PDT
In article <7qu9oh$gqk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Cosby) wrote:
>>
>>>>It's Gif, not jif!!
>>>>
>>>>(Unless, of course, one chooses to pronounce "graphic" [the first
>>>>word in "gif"] as "jraphic", perhaps? :) ).
>>>
>>> The creators of the gif format insist it's `jif'
>>
>> One must assume that they pronouce jpeg as "gpej" then? ;-)
Well if they pronounce Graphic Interchange Format as "jif", then
pronouncing Joint Photographic Experts Group as "gpeg" seems to
make just as much sense.
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Figure Out The MS Source Code Yourself
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:16:23 +0100
And verily, didst Tim Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
> The problem with reverse engineering something like Windows is two-fold. First,
> it is illegal;
Not in Britain... The reverse engineering clause of any software licence is
totally null and void over here...
the Windows license agreement prohibits it. Second, Windows is
> just too big. Windows 2000 consists of something like 20 million lines of
> source code.
With a bug in every one...
:)
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: good news for small systems regardinging netscape
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:34:54 +0100
And verily, didst Chris Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
> Cooper wrote:
>> Tell me, did any of you ever browse the internet with Netscape 1?
> I remember downloading Mozilla 0.9 in October 1994, when Netscape was still
> Mosaic Communications.... :)
Some of the old Windoze 3.1 machines in the more obscure computer rooms on
Keele university campus still have MosaIc as the only browser...
(GOD it's crap... )
:)
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Removing a package from linux?
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:42:55 +0100
And verily, didst Brad Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
> This might be in the FAQ, but I can't find the FAQ :-(
> I know its supposed to be posted to comp.os.linux.misc, so don't
> bother pointing me there. :-)
> How do I remove a software package (specifically applix) and all of
> the links/menu items?
> Is there a utility or at least a listing of all associated files?
If it was an rpm file, then you can use rpm to list all files associated
with it, uninstall and lots of other things.
rpm -e <package name> uninstalls for example.
If it was built from source, try
make uninstall (sometimes it works)
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| in | you leave your rank and colour, we'll destroy |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Guy Macon)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.realtime
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: 05 Sep 1999 16:40:11 PDT
In article <cOzA3.16492$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John or
Jenn) wrote:
>
>In article <7qugrr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Guy Macon,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>If you were writing code that
>>kills people when it's wrong, (and an unexpected 1 millisecond delay might
>>be enough to kill)
>
>Ha! I used to write code that was intended to kill people when it was
>right! Maybe the wrong people, if it were wrong. ;-)
Me too. I did a lot of work on the AV8B harrier jump jet and the
MX Missle. Even in those cases, the software could kill people
that you didn't want to kill, so we were still worried about
writing code that kills [the wrong] people when it's wrong.
You really want to avoid flying the plane into a mountain at
high speed or sending the missle to Moscow, Idaho instead of
Moscow, USSR.
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Distributions RH, Suse, Mandrake
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:50:35 +0100
And verily, didst [EMAIL PROTECTED] eloquently scribe:
> I was looking over the various distributions available at the
> computer store and noticed Mandrake, which appears to be RH 6.0
> plus some extra stuff, for less than half the price of RH 6.0.
> What's the catch?
No printed manual. No support from Red Hat.
(That's what you're supposedly paying for)
> It appears that Red Hat's rpm is more standardized than
> Suse's packager, which would make getting new software easier
> than with Suse.
SuSE uses RPM as well. Red Hat just tends to put things in awkward,
non-standard places, but Red Hat rpms will work with SuSE....
Usually... If not, compile the source...
Besides, SuSE comes with 6 CDs (5 package/1 source) crammed with stuff.
Much more than RedHat or Mandrake, I believe...
Are there any problems with, say, installing
> Suse 6.2 over RH 5.2? What are the pro's and con's of Suse
> vs. RH?
Installing distros over each other is BAD...
Installing SuSE 6.2 over SuSE 5.2 would be just as bad. There's been to much
of a leap between distros. (5.3, 6.0, 6.1, 6.2).
Backup all your important files, and reinstall from scratch.
It's the only safe way to change distros or make a big leap in the upgrade
path.
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| in | suck is probably the day they start making |
| Computer Science | vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge |
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|PS+++ PE- Y t+ 5++ X+/X++ R+ tv+ b+ DI+ D+ G e++ h/h+ !r!| Space for hire |
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bash not running executables
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:21:06 +0100
And verily, didst Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
>> For some reason I can no longer cd to a directory and just type the
>> filename and have it execute. I have to do something like...
>>
>> 'perl /dir/script.pl'
>>
>> Have I missed something here or is my shell not behaving properly?
> It is doing the right thing if you don't have "." in PATH.
> Whether you should is debatable (for security reasons). If you do,
> put it last.
There really is no need.
It's no extra trouble to get into the habit of using
/script.pl
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| Andrew Halliwell BSc |Consider how lucky you are that life has been |
| in |good to you so far... |
| Computer Science | -The BOOK, Hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy.|
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