Linux-Misc Digest #901, Volume #18 Thu, 4 Feb 99 17:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux on an overclocked PII (Frank Hale)
Topicality ("Dann Corbit")
Re: Microsoft - Embrace, encompass, and defeat??? (Alexander Viro)
Re: Suggestions for new Linux Fortran compiler (Wood Lotz)
Re: Bunch of pretentious Wankers (Jim DeVries)
Re: Lost: One Cute Penguin ("Peter Caffin")
Re: use theramin as input device (Emile van Bergen)
help - X86(linux) and SUN-SPARC(solaris) NFS corrupted file ("Eric T.Y. Chen")
Re: PPP problems (Ben Russo)
Re: Window Maker 0.51.0 question (Ben Russo)
Gateway 486dx and Vivitron 15inch monitor ("Chris King")
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Kinkster)
Re: Bunch of pretentious Wankers (Cajun)
Re: Is non-contiguous disk space bad? ("Richard Payne")
Re: [Q] "Unable to load interpreter" message. (Juergen Heinzl)
Boot managers ("Theo van der Merwe")
Re: VAX Basic compiler for Linux? ("Keith G. Murphy")
Re: Getting PPP working... (Christian Bienia)
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From: Frank Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux on an overclocked PII
Date: 4 Feb 1999 17:35:29 GMT
Tim wrote:
>
> Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus wrote:
>
> > (To the overclocker) ...
> >
> > Ever wondered why they don't sell them overclocked? =)
> >
>
> Because that'd be dishonest? Downright illegal? (Not to mention it p***ing Intel
> off, as they'd have even more trouble selling their higher-end chips...)
>
How do you figure it would be illegal and how would you get caught for
doing it? Resellers don't overclock because its not a proven science,
some processors overclock better than others while some don't work at
all well overclocked, for instance my PII 266 (KLAMATH) runs like shit
overclocked and its supposed to be a good candidate for overclocking.
--
From: Frank Hale
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 7205161
Website: http://www.franksstuff.com/
"Linux - 8 million users can't be wrong"
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From: "Dann Corbit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c,gnu.gcc.help
Subject: Topicality
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:03:30 -0800
Paul D. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>%% Sunil Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> sr> The fact that this discussion is taking place in news:comp.lang.c
> sr> (among other groups) should make it clear that it is the ANSI/ISO
> sr> C standard that's being talked about. A discussion involving any
> sr> other standards would probably more properly belong in
> sr> news:comp.unix.programmer.
>
>*Shrug* I'm reading it from gnu.gcc.help and I think it's perfectly
>appropriate to discuss POSIX (after all, legend has it RMS coined the
>term! :) and SingleUNIX there. putenv() and char**environ _do_ exist in
>GLIBC, after all.
>
>Additionally, I don't think comp.lang.c means you're only talking about
>ANSI/ISO C.
Well, the topic is about how to program in C. For other variations, why not
try the specific newsgroups.
For instance, there is:
News server forums.inprise.com
newsgroup news:borland.public.cpp.language
newsgroup news:borland.public.cppbuilder.language
News server forums.sybase.com
newsgroup news:powersoft.public.watcom_c_c++.general
News server msnews.microsoft.com
newsgroup news:microsoft.public.vc.language
News server news.software.ibm.com
newsgroup news:ibm.software.vacpp.compiler
News server service.symantec.com
newsgroup news:symantec.support.devtools.pc.sc++
etc., etc., etc.
For programming considerations under various operating systems there are
things like news:comp.unix.programmer or
news:comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32 etc., etc., etc.
Now, I realize that some people cannot be bothered with learning how to
properly utilize a resource such as Usenet. Too bad for everybody that the
world is full of those for which the universe revolves around themselves.
>If that's true, then what's the difference between
>comp.lang.c and comp.std.c? If we were on the latter, I'd agree
>whole-heartedly.
The newsgroup news:comp.std.c discusses the C Standards document, and mostly
things like how to interpret a clause in the existing standard or proposed
changes to the C9X standard. On the other hand, news:comp.lang.c discusses
the C programming language. As there are many variants, admittedly, it only
makes sense to keep this forum centered on information of general interest.
This should be especially obvious since there are forums that discuss
language and operating system specific areas ad nauseum.
>I'd expect comp.lang.c to conver all different sorts of C and lots of
>different standards--and even non-standard (but common) usages.
K&R C is discussed for historical reasons. If your C question can be
generalized to the C language (often it may be about compiler x, on OS y but
really it is a general question) then this is a good place to ask. If it is
about "How do I access RMS services under OpenVMS?" or "Should I fork() or
spawn a thread here..." then there are much better places to ask those sort
of questions anyway.
>That's one of the main reasons I don't read it anymore :).
Your loss.
>Whatever. I think we've beaten this horse into a muddy pulp at this
>point. Hopefully the original poster has learned his lesson WRT
>cross-posting :)
It gets rehashed frequently. Like the good old "goto" thread and the
darling "void main" thread.
--
C-FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html
"The C-FAQ Book" ISBN 0-201-84519-9
C.A.P. Newsgroup http://www.dejanews.com/~c_a_p
Chess Data: ftp://38.168.214.175/pub/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Subject: Re: Microsoft - Embrace, encompass, and defeat???
Date: 4 Feb 1999 12:44:21 -0500
In article <79cc4l$inj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Barry Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What would happen if all the Linux people started sending demands to their
>congressional representatives demanding that Microsoft port Internet
>Explorer, Office 97 and 2000 over to Linux?
Erm... What for? BTW, I have very uneasy feeling about letting
politicians (spit) give such orders to anybody. Even to M$. After all,
it's their code and they have complete right to do with it anything they
want. Not to mention the fact that their code is shitty. If you want
Windows you know where to find it, right? What's the reason for tossing
this bullshit onto UNIX? It's not Windows and it never meant to be Windows.
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: Wood Lotz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran
Subject: Re: Suggestions for new Linux Fortran compiler
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 10:36:19 -0500
`
Frank T. Sronce wrote:
>
> Well, I'm administering a fairly new Redhat Linux 5.2 machine and it
> looks like we need to get a commercial Fortran compiler for it. I've
> been using g77/fort77 for most things, but I need to port over code that
> was designed for the Sun F77 compiler, which implements a superset of
> F77 Fortran. The code won't compile on our Linux box, apparently
> because of those additional features (like the Format (q) statment, and
> allowing Implicit None to appear in the middle of declarations).
>
> So, I'm looking for a new compiler which has more capabilities and which
> will compile this code (and hopefully any future code we have similar
> problems with). Has anyone got any recommendations on what compiler to
> get? Or pointers to where I could find useful info?
>
Absoft markets F77 and Pro Fortran [F90/F77 suite] for Linux/Intel.
Compilers were designed for porting legacy code and support all popular
workstation extensions including those from Sun. Compilers include Big
Endian <-> Little Endian data swapping and are link compatible with gcc,
g77 and f2c so you can take advantage of libraries built with gnu tools.
Jeff Templon's page
[http://studbolt.physast.uga.edu/templon/fortran.html] is the most
comprehensive listing of Fortran tools for Linux I am aware of.
Please visit the Absoft site for complete product descriptions and links
to user comments, benchmarks, etc. Academic and volume prices are
available.
Wood Lotz
Absoft Corp
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Complete F90/F77/C/C++ toolsets for Windows95/98/NT, Mac and Linux
Absoft Corporation, 2781 Bond Street, Rochester Hills, MI 48309 USA
Voice (248) 853 0050 EST - Fax (248) 853 0108 - http://www.absoft.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: Jim DeVries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bunch of pretentious Wankers
Date: 4 Feb 1999 21:00:05 GMT
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<much snippage>
>
>I actually like Bill Clinton. Big deal, he got caught getting a blow
>job? Show me a man that has never lied about sex, and I'll show you a
>man that has never had any.
>
>As for Bill Gates, he is a troubling person. He is both so powerful and
>insecure at the same time. This is a bad mix from any perspective.
>
Tough to read those two paragraphs so close together. The second
paragraph seems it could be talking about the subject of the first, and
the second sentence of the first paragraph seems it could refer to the
subject of the second.
Jim DeVries
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From: "Peter Caffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Lost: One Cute Penguin
Date: 4 Feb 1999 08:12:11 GMT
In comp.os.linux.x Derek Lakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone know how to relocate my lost penguin?
[snip: my other reply which hasn't made it to the server yet so I can
follow it up]
There ya go, that's what I get for not reading your question through
properly.. I look silly. Hrmm.
My previous reply to you would give you penguin wallpaper (have a
look in /var/www/kerneldoc/Documentation/logo.gif for a really snazzy
large image of Tux the Penguin) rather than getting Tux back on your
fvwm95 Start Button.
Someone else has already answered your real question, so, to give some
even more offtopic info, to tile him on your background (rather than have
a fullscreen Tux), use:
xview -onroot -zoom 50 /var/www/kerneldoc/Documentation/logo.gif
*wanders off looking sheepish*
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//`'\_ | (/_|(/_| .|. |_(_|| | || | it.net.au/~pc |
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From: Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: junk
Subject: Re: use theramin as input device
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 09:37:30 +0100
Martin Maney wrote:
>
> William McBrine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In comp.os.linux.development.apps Eric Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > : Wouldn't that be making the easy, difficult? Most theramins I've seen
> > : are bigger than a mouse and keyboard, and would require two hands to use
> > : (unlike a mouse). A novel idea, but just plain silly.
>
> > At least you wouldn't get carpal tunnel.
>
> But tennis elbow would be a real threat. :-)
But if you could have a three axis system, this would make a wonderful
3d game
controller! No VR glove necesssary, just move your hand...
--
M.vr.gr. / Best regards,
Emile van Bergen (e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
This e-mail message is 100% electronically degradeable and produced
on a GNU/Linux system.
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From: "Eric T.Y. Chen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux
Subject: help - X86(linux) and SUN-SPARC(solaris) NFS corrupted file
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 08:38:40 GMT
I just set up a network with SUN-Sparc (running solaris 2.x) and X86
(running Redhat Linux 5.2).
The file system is nfs mounted. I just noticed that some files
(physically located on X86) I edited on
Sparc machine (e.g., using emacs) were corrupted when saved. Can the
file systems really share?
Thanks
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PPP problems
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:02:05 -0500
"Justin R. Smith" wrote:
> I've been trying to get ppp working, with no luck.
>
> Is there something obviously wrong with my system setup?
>
> The log messages (with debugging enabled):
>
> Feb 4 10:30:34 jsmith pppd[432]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0
> Feb 4 10:31:04 jsmith pppd[432]: Serial connection established.
> Feb 4 10:31:05 jsmith pppd[432]: Using interface ppp0
> Feb 4 10:31:05 jsmith pppd[432]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem
> Feb 4 10:31:07 jsmith kernel: PPP BSD Compression module registered
> Feb 4 10:31:07 jsmith kernel: PPP Deflate Compression module registered
> Feb 4 10:31:07 jsmith pppd[432]: local IP address 208.244.153.123
> Feb 4 10:31:07 jsmith pppd[432]: remote IP address 208.244.153.3
>
> The route and netstat commands hang for for a LONG time, and then
> print out (at least route does):
>
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use
> Iface
> 208.244.153.3 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0
> loopback * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo
> default 208.244.153.3 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0
>
> (it hangs just as long the second and third time I call it).
>
> I can ping 209.244.153.3 and 208.244.153.123 but nothing else
> (including my ISP's name servers).
>
> Name lookups time out.
>
> I enabled kernel ppp debugging with kdebug 4, but nothing additional
> prints out.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
Yes, if you don't already have it done,
configure a nameserver (DNS server) in your /etc/resolv.conf
this is probably what is causing netstat and route to hang,
(try "netstat -nr" if that comes back fast then you know it is
the DNS resolution attempts that are hanging.)
Call up your ISP and tell them your route table and your local/remote
IP addresses as assigned during a connection. They
may see a problem right away. For example, maybe 209.244.153.3
isn't a router, maybe it is acting as a bridge and they have another machine
as the router? (strange but possible...).
-Ben.
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Window Maker 0.51.0 question
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:03:32 -0500
"Kerry J. Cox" wrote:
> Not sure if this is the place to ask, but here goes. I am very
> impressed with WM 0.50.0 and have been using it solely for about 2-3
> months now. Much better than AfterStep 1.0 which is what I was using
> that crashed very so often. But now I am wanting to upgrade to 0.51.0.
> I noticed that libPropList now comes separate. So I installed it and
> then Window Maker. But When I tried to start up Window Maker 0.51.0 I
> got a shared libraries error. I read the INSTALL file that came with
> libPropList, and tried their suggestions but can't get it to work. I
> have also read all the FAQs associated with the Window Maker pages. Has
> anyone had better luck than me in getting it to go and if so, would they
> mind posting a more complete HowTo than what came with the libPropList?
> Or could someone direct me to a page that explains libPropList
> installation better? Thanks.
> KJ
Off subject,
you may or may not like it, but give KDE a try. I love it.
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From: "Chris King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Gateway 486dx and Vivitron 15inch monitor
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:03:38 -0000
Can any one help?
I have installed Linux 5.2 on a Gateway PC DX66 with 16mb ram.
The monitor is a Gateway 15inch Vivitron.
I can not get or find the right settings for the X Server to run, I did
succced once, but now I have lost the settings again! - and that was by
fluke!
The problem I am getting is "no modes available" when I try to to run up the
"startx" command.
I am trying all modes,settings etc under the XF86Setup buts it causing me a
large headache!
The Gateway DX66 has the graphics card built into the motherboard, and Linux
is reporting it as a Cirrus Logic GD5434 with 1mb?
Any advice will save me tearing my remaining hair out!!! <LOL>
You can email me here or on [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at work on
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ta!
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kinkster)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 21:23:52 GMT
On Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:10:48 -0600, "Keith G. Murphy"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Kinkster wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 03 Feb 1999 17:51:00 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
>> wrote:
>>
>> Excellent post. It should be required reading for all the m$ofites out
>> there.
>
>Please don't quote a whole long post just to say you liked it. Bad
>Usenetiquette, you know.
If you don't like it just don't read it.
>
>[cut] [see what I'm doing? Cuts down on the redundancy]
>> >If Microsoft wants to create a proprietary Internet, I don't suppose there is
>> >anything wrong with that, aside from the fact that it would be horrible.
>
>I had to laugh at that.
Do you laugh at the truth often? Are you naive and think m$ has
invested millions of dollars and taken on the DoJ and 19 states to
give you a FREE product with _NO_ thoughts of getting that money and
more back in some way ??
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cajun)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bunch of pretentious Wankers
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 21:47:15 GMT
You are a true moron. You actually are stupid enough to think all this
is because he lied about sex? Get your head out of the sand you stupid
dolt, and catch up on the news. Show me a man that lied about sex in
front of a Grand Jury, and I'll show you one poor JAILED bastard.
On Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:51:47 +0000, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Alexander Viro wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Personally, I don't care what other people think. Especially ones that
>> >insult people. I have made no claim to living in the best country,
>> >however, pride over ones clan is as old as civilization itself.
>>
>> He has a point
>Thanks, I thought I did.
>
>>- this is blatantly offtopic for c.o.l.m.
>
>It is so hard to tell, what exactly is "on topic" for c.o.l.m. these
>days anyway? It can't be Linux, almost none of the treads these days
>even reference it ;-)
>
>
>> Oh, and if your clan consists of *all* citizens of USA... <shrug>
>> Looks like your pride extends to some pretty obnoxious bastards
>
>I think I can saftly say, that unless your clan is exclusively
>non-human, then you have some pretty obnoxious bastards in yours as
>well.
>
>> I happen to know personally and quite a few ones I happily never met.
>> <cheap shot>
>> AFAIK Bill Gates and Bill Clinton are both US citizens
>> </cheap shot>
>
>I actually like Bill Clinton. Big deal, he got caught getting a blow
>job? Show me a man that has never lied about sex, and I'll show you a
>man that has never had any.
>
>As for Bill Gates, he is a troubling person. He is both so powerful and
>insecure at the same time. This is a bad mix from any perspective.
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From: "Richard Payne" <payner at timken dot com>
Subject: Re: Is non-contiguous disk space bad?
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:53:09 -0500
Chris Plachta wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hello,
>
>I was wondering if anyone could explain to me what it means when fsck
>reports that a percentage of a partition is non-contiguous. Is this a
>bad thing?
Not really. It's not the end of the world. It just means that x% of
your disk has become fragmented. This means that some of the
files on the disk are scattered around the disk instead of being
sequential.
>Should I re-format and reinstall if I have a certain
>percentage of non-contiguous data on my disk??
No, there is a ext2 defrag package out there somewhere, but
I wouldn't worry about it.
--
Rich Payne
(Speaking for myself, not my employer)
payner at timken dot com
Looking for Alpha-Linux info?
http://www.alphalinux.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: [Q] "Unable to load interpreter" message.
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 19:19:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andrei A. Dergatchev wrote:
>Hi there,
Hi here,
>
>I'm running some calculations under Slack (kernel 2.0.30). PII350/128
>{I haven't figured out yet how to get Slack to see all 128M as it
>boots from floppy and I can't find anything near lilo.conf on
>my HDD.} So currently it sees 64M only. {I'm having some problems
>making swap files larger that 64M so} currently I have:
[...]
>During program's running I've got a message "Unable to load
[...]
probably an "out of memory" condition. You might set some limits,
see ulimit -a on the shell, and run it again. The system will kill
it if ... and it's a kernel message.
Cheers,
Juergen
--
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\ EMail Private : [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ send money instead /
\ Phone Private : +44 181-332 0750 \ /
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From: "Theo van der Merwe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Boot managers
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:27:14 +0200
How do I boot of a specific partion on a specific drive? My ROM bios does
not have the option to boot of either SCSI or IDE yet. What I am looking for
is a simple boot manager that can redirect and boot of any other hard drive
(more specifically any partition on a hard drive and any operation system -
DOS,Win95/8, WinNT, Linux...). What software is currently available to do
this?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Best regards,
Theo ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Keith G. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: VAX Basic compiler for Linux?
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:25:31 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gregory Propf wrote:
>
> I'm really ashamed to admit it but I work at a place where they still
> use VMS. A lot of the reason for this is the existing body of software
> written in VAX Basic. Is there a compiler for Linux (free or not) that
> can re-compile this kind of cruft?
>
Hey, hey! Watch it! VMS is really excellent. As was VAX Basic,
actually. Except that it's all totally proprietary and interdependent.
I doubt you could recompile it anywhere else. Ever thought about how
hard it would be to modify it to be good Visual Basic and run it under
Windows? (Ducks...)
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From: Christian Bienia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting PPP working...
Date: 4 Feb 1999 18:13:40 GMT
> Unfortunately, this didn't change the behavior of ppp!
Hmmm. I had similar problems:
When I connected to the Internet with pppd 2.3.5, everything seemed to
work properly (the interface was configured, routes were set etc.), but
I couldn't receive any data, including ping / NS-lookups etc. The only
thing that worked was 'ping [local_IP_assigned_by_PPP-Server]', pinging
the assigned remote-ip failed, too! The strange thing: As soon as I
replaced the pppd 2.3.5 binary with the pppd 2.2 binary, everything
worked well immediately.
As there weren't any error-messages from pppd 2.3.5, I assume that this
is a bug. Fortunately, I have found a workaround in another newsgroup:
Replace the pppd-option 'crtscts' with 'xonxoff'.
If it now works fine, it would be kind of you if you would post a
bug-report with as much information as possible to the linux-ppp
mailing-list.
> When the connection is established (according to ifconfig --- a message also
> appears in
> /var/log/messages) I type
>
> route
>
> and the command hangs for a full 8 minutes (I timed it), and FINALLY prints
> out a three-line message
This behaviour of route is caused because it tries to resolve the
IP-addresses. But if it can't reach the nameserver, it waits quite a
long time for nothing! "route -n" should fix that.
Well, I hope that helps you.
Bye,
Chris
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