Linux-Misc Digest #900, Volume #18 Thu, 4 Feb 99 16:13:14 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Michael Powe)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Tim)
Re: flowcharting software (Brian V. Smith)
Re: Booting (Ben Russo)
question about Nedit for linux (Steve Sanyal)
Re: Opinions about LyX? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters ("Steve D. Perkins")
Library Problems (Matthew W Miller)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Environment variables and C (Paul D. Smith)
Re: cp/mcopy with verify? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
x11amp compile issues (root)
Re: Sendmail Problem (Stefan Davids)
Re: Wich Linux shouls I install (Frank Hale)
Re: fetchmail - tin hostname conflict ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: No luck with 2.2.x kernel on RH 5.2! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Environment variables and C (Lawrence Kirby)
Re: 2.2.1 install, glowing report (Patrick O'Neil)
File access and Quake2 ("Julian Tibble")
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 03 Feb 1999 22:14:53 -0800
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>>>>> "Jim" == Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jim> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
Jim> <799v94$ldo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> I'm not going to get to crazy on this, but yes you are right
>> "Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class", it far out performs
>> Windows on every level and should not even be used in the same
>> sentence.
Jim> You forgot to say "just kidding." Linux device support is
Jim> not in Windows 9X's class. Nor is apps support for X. Not
Jim> specifically a "Linux problem", but nonetheless not yet in
Jim> Windows class. Ease of use, nope. Linux is not yet
Jim> spoonfeeding as is Windows. Being powerful is ok, but just
Jim> as important to most is ease of use. I can appreciate choice
Jim> and a good GUI and GUI apps help me there. PPP works in
Jim> Windows, in Linux for me it does not. Maybe I could do even
Jim> more to fix it, but the need is why Linux is not ready. I do
Jim> not want to have to troubleshoot it. I shouldn't have to.
Well, it's a fact that the majority of Windows users cannot configure
their systems by themselves.
While you may be experienced in installing Windows, setting up
hardware and drivers, and configuring Windows applications; the fact
is, that you only find Windows `easy to use' because you are familiar
with it. If you would do a little recollection, I'm sure you would
realize that it was not always so.
mp
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if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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Michael Powe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
Portland, Oregon USA
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From: Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:04:14 +0000
Larry wrote:
> Sweden hates us, England hates us, ad-infinitum. The only reason we are
Where on Earth did you get the idea that England hates the US? England is far too
busy being paranoid about the EU to spare a thought for the US.
Tim
----
tim <at> darkwave <dot> org <dot> uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian V. Smith)
Subject: Re: flowcharting software
Date: 4 Feb 1999 18:51:46 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|> Eric Wyles wrote:
|> >
|> > Anyone know of any good flowcharting software that runs on linux? I
|> > have some for windows, but I'm trying to become windows independent.
|> >
|> > Thanks,
|> > Eric Wyles
|>
|> Try xfig. Design your own templates.
xfig also comes with flowchart templates so you don't have to design your
own if you don't want to.
--
========================================================
Brian V. Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www-epb.lbl.gov/BVSmith
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
I don't speak for LBL; they don't pay me enough for that.
Check out the xfig site at http://www-epb.lbl.gov/xfig
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Booting
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 14:20:36 -0500
Mark Robinson wrote:
> When I boot up Linux, Samba starts but hangs the system. Is there a way
> to kill it will loading?
at the lilo boot prompt hit tab
this will show the images available,
enter the one for linux with a space and "single"
afterwords.
This should boot to single user mode, then cd /etc/rc.d
rm -f rc[0123456].d/S*smb
sync
sync
sync
shutdown -r now
BTW, the problem is probably that smbd can't contact the
nameserver for some reason.
-Ben.
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From: Steve Sanyal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: question about Nedit for linux
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 20:12:39 GMT
I normally would not ask a question like this, but I am rather pressed
for time.
I used Nedit for linux to write my C++ code for a project. It looks
great in Nedit... it is colour coded, etc.
However, in VI, Emacs, and more importantly, on a printout, all of the
tabs are messed up.
I could painstakingly go into emacs or vi and change them to what they
are supposed to be, but is there a way i can do this with Nedit?
How can I make Nedit so that it retains smart indenting and syntax
highlighting, but doesn't cause these tab errors.
Thanks
Steve
PS: Please respond by email if at all possible.
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Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Opinions about LyX?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:50:44 GMT
Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I've been playing with Lyx since about 0.10 and it has only
: crashed once. And that was due to my CPU fan failing and the whole
: system fell over ;) Its a lot easier than doing all the LaTex stuff in
: emacs or whichever editor. In the earlier versions it wasn't always
: happy about all the psotscript diagrams I was trying to import even
: though there weren't any problems with them in other applications. 1.0
: has been excellent and hasn't suffered from the diagram/image problem.
: I've done all my hand-in work (I'm a chemistry student)
: including lab reports and a dissertation using Lyx for the last two
: years.
:
I have been playing with Lyx since early versions too - and it is truly
an incredibly good piece of software. One of Linux's best kept secrets,
I sometimes think, and excellently suited for the purposes of the
original poster.
For people who want to redefine layouts, styles and things, it's not so
good, tough. Latex output by default looks a bit like a fifties
American scientific journal, and I haven't found a way to get Lyx
produce something looking like a nineties novel...
--
Boudewijn Rempt | www.xs4all.nl/~bsarempt
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From: "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 14:23:36 -0500
Gee, no offense intended to anybody... but while this thread was kind of
cute for the first few hundred postings, it seems to be wearing a bit thin.
Is all the US vs. UK nonsense ever going to end (I thought this was settled
a few centuries ago, I didn't even realize we still didn't like each
other!)... or are people trying to set some kind of new "record" with this
thread?
At any rate, doesn't this discussion belong in a more political-oriented
forum? All of the different newsgroups that this is cross-posted to are
completely unnecessary...
Steve
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From: Matthew W Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Library Problems
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:07:51 -0500
Hello,
This is for a RH linux 5.2 system; when trying to install libpcap, i get
numerous errors which require me to force the uncompress and it also
breaks the tar pipe when the -v flag is set. After sloshing through the
install process, i still get numerous errors and programs won't recognize
that the library was installed.
Have any patches been released, or does anyone know how to fix this?
apparently it is something generic with all redhat systems.
thanx in advance
~matt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:56:53 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 3 Feb 1999 20:52:27 GMT...
..and Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Larry.
Still remember how you told me that you kicked my ancestor's asses and
that my land could be yours if you just wanted to?
YOU are the kind of sound-minded poster everyone on this group is
waiting for!
// thanks to the overloaded constructor, we can pass the address, too
pm = new plonkmetre("Larry","[EMAIL PROTECTED]");
// should be initialised to zero now
> >Sweden sends about double, if not triple the amount of development
> >aid. And you know that the US are notorious for not paying their UNO
> >dues, too, I hope?
>
>
>
> Fine, Sweden is a socialist society
pm++;
[schnibble]
> Let's face it, damned near every country in the world hates the U.S.
> The reason is because we are so wealthy and FREE in comparison.
You make me laugh. What's your point? Why are you so FREE, compared
to, say, Germany?
> Sweden hates us, England hates us, ad-infinitum.
You're paranoid.
> The only reason we are
> still allies with some of them is because thier only alternative is to be
> alied with countries like Red China, the Soviet Union,
Newsflash: the Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore. American education
apparently is as bad (if you're <18 years old, which is very probable)
as we are often told here, or either Americans are really as ignorant
as some make them look (in the improbable case that you're an adult).
> North Korea or the
> Middle East.
"Countries like [...] the Middle East?" Let me tell you something,
Larry: the Middle East is not a country.
> Not very good alternatives, most.
> But it is the American people who insist on keeping down the hand outs to
> foriegn countries. If we let them, the government run by Clinton would give
> the whole store to other countries and take it out of the pockets of the
> American people. We unlike you don't believe in a 45% tax base coming out of
> our pockets.
Actually, f.ex., the *effective* taxes in Germany are in some cases
lower than those in the USA. Also, you are counting stuff like
obligatory health insurance in with the taxes, which is an extremely
ignorant thing to do.
> Plus most of the governments demanding handouts are agressively
> involved in genocide of thier own people. Your money is included in this.
>
> Call us cheap if you want but YOU are the suckers in all this.
Yeah of course. And the CIA never triggered civil wars. Never instated
dictators. Never supported rebels by illegal deals. Pigs fly.
> >> Do we ever get a thank you. NO.
> >
> >You don't deserve a thank you for driving the UN into financial
> >collapse and for being both one of the richest first-world country on this
> >planet and one of the ones giving the least aid to others.
>
> Screw the U.N.
pm++;
> If most Americans had thier way, the UN would be run out of
> the country on a rail. This is the biggest purvayor of communism and
> socialism in the world
Grab your gun, Larry! The invaders are coming! The black helicopters
are already over the horizon!
> and it's just one election away from being shutdown
> on American soil. All it's going to take is the right man to be elected to
> the presidency and it'll be all over for the UN in the US. The reason the US
> is in arrears to the UN is because the rest of the UN nations want us to
> support the stupid thing. The UN is in a financial mess because the other
> member nations think we are supposed to pay thier bills for the up-keep.
> We don't intend to let that carry on. We don't give a damn if the UN
> collapses. If you want it then YOU start paying the bills.
We do. Germany pays more to the UN than the US (effectively), although
we're knee-deep in debts from pouring something like 25 billion
dollars a year into the ex-GDR.
> >Not to mention all the CIA diddling around the world.
>
> I got news for you buster. It was the CIA that uncovered the nukes being
> setup in Cuba by the Soviet Union back in the 60's. Remember the Cuban
> missile crises? Probably not.
I know about them, because unlike you (obviously), I read a lot, and
BTW, I stay up-to-date w/r/t news. I.e., I already realised that the
Soviet Union had collapsed in 1991, shortly after it had happened. You
haven't even yet!
BTW the Cuban missiles hadn't any effect whatsoever on the strategic
situation since SLBMs were already common at that time. The whole
thing looked more dangerous than it was.
> For your information, the CIA has a large hand in keeping the free nations
> free.
Yeah. You know what guys that believe that kind of propaganda are good
for? You'd be 1st class Party material for any totalitarian
government.
[schnibbled blabbering about the US]
> Some day we will stop, because people like you hate us for it. And frankly I
> am a little fed up with our men dying for those who can't care for
> themselves, then being stabbed in the back and hated by the same people we
> helped.
I wish you would stop your unexperienced diddling around with foreign
politics. The present world would do fine without the U.S.
Now don't come along and tell me "now, without us kicking your Nazi
Grandpa's ass the world would be ruled by some Austrian asshole, you
know that?".
I'm talking about the *present* *world*.
mawa
--
Bonus! The lack of multitasking is one of the most important reasons
why DOS destroyed Unix in the marketplace.
-- Scott Nudds
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul D. Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c,gnu.gcc.help
Subject: Re: Environment variables and C
Date: 04 Feb 1999 15:19:17 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
%% Sunil Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
sr> The fact that this discussion is taking place in news:comp.lang.c
sr> (among other groups) should make it clear that it is the ANSI/ISO
sr> C standard that's being talked about. A discussion involving any
sr> other standards would probably more properly belong in
sr> news:comp.unix.programmer.
*Shrug* I'm reading it from gnu.gcc.help and I think it's perfectly
appropriate to discuss POSIX (after all, legend has it RMS coined the
term! :) and SingleUNIX there. putenv() and char**environ _do_ exist in
GLIBC, after all.
Additionally, I don't think comp.lang.c means you're only talking about
ANSI/ISO C. If that's true, then what's the difference between
comp.lang.c and comp.std.c? If we were on the latter, I'd agree
whole-heartedly.
I'd expect comp.lang.c to conver all different sorts of C and lots of
different standards--and even non-standard (but common) usages.
That's one of the main reasons I don't read it anymore :).
Whatever. I think we've beaten this horse into a muddy pulp at this
point. Hopefully the original poster has learned his lesson WRT
cross-posting :)
--
===============================================================================
Paul D. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Network Management Development
"Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
===============================================================================
These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: cp/mcopy with verify?
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 17:56:44 GMT
In article <_L7u2.2762$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann) wrote:
> In our last episode (Wed, 03 Feb 1999 22:30:16 +0100),
> the artist formerly known as Erwin Waterlander said:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I never trust diskettes.
> >When I copy files to a diskette
> >under DOS I always use the 'copy' command with /v
> >option (verify), so I am pretty sure that the
> >files are copied correctly to the diskette.
> >It's not 100% save, but a lot better than
> >without the /v option.
> >
> >How do I do this under Linux?
>
> cmp file /floppy/file
>
> If they are the same, nothing will happen. Otherwise you will see something
> like
>
> file /floppy/file differ: char x, line y
>
> You can also use diff to do the same thing:
>
> diff --brief file /floppy/file
>
> cheers.
>
> --
> William
> It is pitch black. You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
>
>
And you will compare two VFS buffers or maybe one with himself?
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 20:27:02 +0000
From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: x11amp compile issues
I'm trying to build the latest x11amp. I've installed (and ldconig'ed)
gtk 1.1.14 with glib 1.1.14, and I rpm'ed in imlib 1.9.2.
at ./configure, everything proceeds until imlib detection, which fails.
config.log tells me that it cannot find gdk_imlib, which is most
certainly on my system. I've looked at the imlib-config script, but
can't really make out what I need to change.
I'd be grateful for whatever help you could give....
chris couples
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From: Stefan Davids <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sendmail Problem
Date: 04 Feb 1999 20:25:17 +0000
>>>>> "Hugues" == Hugues Demers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Hugues> Hi, I have a problem sending mail trought sendmail. When I
Hugues> use elm to send an email it goes trought sendmail and
Hugues> bounce back saying that hugues@vega is not a valid
Hugues> hostname. Of course it's not valid, because I've no
Hugues> network at home (I'm using redhat 5.0 on my personal
Hugues> computer). Vega is just a hostname I gave to my
Hugues> computer. Note that when I use my ISP mail server to send
Hugues> mail all goes well.
Sendmail doesn't appear to be aware of your domain name. If you don't
have one you should use masquerading to set the outgoing envelope to
your email address. I presume you have the same username as the
username part of your email address?
If so, and your email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED], you should add
the following to your sendmail m4 file and rebuild sendmail.cf
MASQUERADE_AS(`your.isp.com')
FEATURE(`masquerade_envelope')
and all should be well.
Stefan
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From: Frank Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Wich Linux shouls I install
Date: 4 Feb 1999 17:24:14 GMT
"Steve D. Perkins" wrote:
>
> RedHat 5.2 comes with both KDE and Gnome (along with several smaller ones
> that I doubt you would be using).
>
It really doesn't matter what they come with because there usually at
least a couple of versions behind. Best thing to do would be to download
the window manager you want from the web so you can get the most current
one.
What about the Window Maker window manager? It is one of the best. KDE
is too similar to Windows for me. And GNOME has a looooooooooooooong way
to go still. Those are my opinions so no flames pleaze.
--
From: Frank Hale
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 7205161
Website: http://www.franksstuff.com/
"Linux - 8 million users can't be wrong"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: fetchmail - tin hostname conflict
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:41:05 GMT
Bob Cunius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> localhost.localdomain, but if i try to post a message to a newsgroup in tin
> it says my email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of
Set your host/domain globally in tin.defaults or set your tin From: line
in ~/.tin/headers
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: No luck with 2.2.x kernel on RH 5.2!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:44:43 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Greg Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Done it all... in exactly that order. This is the only other error I get on
> boot.
> Feb 3 21:45:24 bert kernel: Error seeking in /dev/kmem
> Feb 3 21:45:24 bert kernel: Error adding kernel module table entry.
This isn't so important, it just means that if your system crashes inside
module code it won't be able to translate addresses to symbols in the system
log entry.
> The network claims it's there, but I can't ping anything. Modules that I've
How about posting the output of ifconfig, along with what you think it
should be doing.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lawrence Kirby)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c,gnu.gcc.help
Subject: Re: Environment variables and C
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 99 17:28:47 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <79bs4o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Volker Borchert" writes:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul D.
> Smith) writes:
>|> %% Greg Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>|>
>|> gc> Great. So how do I access an environment variable from within C?
>|>
>|> man -k environment
>|>
>|> man getenv
>|> man putenv
>
>or use the three argument form for main:
>
>int main (int argc, char *argv[], char *envp[])
Don't do that, it is an obsolete form that isn't supported by the C standard
or POSIX. In standard C you must use getenv(), in POSIX.1 you can also use
extern char **environ; which is effectively a direct replacement for the
envp parameter.
--
=========================================
Lawrence Kirby | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wilts, England | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
=========================================
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From: Patrick O'Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2.2.1 install, glowing report
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:55:28 -0700
On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Seth Van Oort wrote:
> I am impressed. I downloaded 2.2.1 configured (options galore) and
> compiled, rebooted and had not one problem. No, really. I didn't have to
> troubleshoot one single thing. And Linux isn't by any means in WinXX's
> class. It's a pity someone should think it necessary to state it.
Yes. I have three different compiled versions of 2.2.1 on my system.
Each works nicely...except...I have had nothing but problems with a
Creative/Ensonique AudioPCI 1371 soundcard. But then, it did not work
under 2.0.36 nor 2.2.0 either. My SB16 (non pnp) worked OK UNTIL I
upgraded to sndconfig-0.27 - but I then gave that card to my father,
expecting the AudioPCI 1371 to work...it IS listed in the supported list
and it is properly detected. sndconfig-0.27 screwed EVERYTHING
sound-related.
I ended up dumping the Creative/Ensonque and now hope to have better luck
with a SB16 ISA pnp. Anyone have THIS one and have it working nicely in
2.2.1 with sndconfig-0.27?
patrick
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From: "Julian Tibble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: File access and Quake2
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 20:28:11 GMT
Recently I installed the linux version of Quake2, but it fails to run -
instead giving a file access error:
# quake2
bash: ././quake2: No such file or directory
I also tried the following, but they all revealed similar error messages
# ./quake2
# /quake2/quake2
As recommended in the helpfile, the quake2 binary has the permisions 4711,
and is owned by root (and yes, I'm trying to run it as root).
I don't think this is a problem with the quake2 installation. I would be
greatful for any help you can offer. There is probably a really simple
solution
to this but I can't find it!
Julian Tibble
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