Linux-Misc Digest #41, Volume #19 Mon, 15 Feb 99 02:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: RH5.2 linuxconf & control-panel (Tim Moore)
news server ("pschless")
Re: Weird happenings with "su" (brian moore)
Re: Setting eth0 and default routing for RH5.1 upon startup (Ben Russo)
Re: Why Does Linux Thrash So Bad? ("Aaron M. Renn")
Re: From RedHat to Slackware (Rob Shinn)
Re: Acrobat Reader 3.02 (Tim Moore)
Re: Virtual Login ("Karsten M. Self")
Re: Small version of Linux (Jim Richardson)
Re: symbolic link permissions (Robert Heller)
Re: Still trying to recover a lost partition ("Karsten M. Self")
Re: Weird happenings with "su" ("Steve D. Perkins")
Re: more ugly ssyslog messages (Tim Moore)
Re: Weird happenings with "su" (brian moore)
Re: Why is X video setup for i386 so complicated? ("Steve D. Perkins")
Re: Ensoniq soundcard problem (Jeremiah)
Re: Module support for ZIP 100 plus (Tim Moore)
Re: Terminal Emulators. . . ("Karsten M. Self")
Re: what's the difference between desktop/window-manager (steve mcadams)
Re: Linux suxxxx (steve mcadams)
Re: Linux suxxxx (steve mcadams)
rlogin script (Tomasz Lukasiak)
Re: Linux suxxxx (steve mcadams)
Re: what's the difference between desktop/window-manager (steve mcadams)
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:21:56 -0800
From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH5.2 linuxconf & control-panel
user accounts -> base information -> privledges
and give your normal username the ability to start and stop ppp.
No more su root to start ppp.
> The default X-session for root starts control-panel, and i usually
> log into root and start up linuxconf to start a PPP session. Once
> the session starts, i log out of root and into my normal account.
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From: "pschless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,linux.redhat.applixware,linux.redhat.axp,linux.redhat.development,linux.redh
Subject: news server
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:33:18 -0600
I have just installed Red Hat 5.2
Could anyone tell me how to set up a news server, or point me to a how-to?
thanks!
Patrick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Weird happenings with "su"
Date: 15 Feb 1999 05:30:30 GMT
On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 04:33:18 +0000,
Steve D. Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks, I've got it working now! That's kind of bizarre... that file has
> some data in it for the version that under my normal user's directory, but the
> one under root's home directory has a file size of zero. I copied the one for
> my home user to root's home directory, and I was able to run command's through
> "su" again.
>
> Odd that it would exist for a normal user, but have NOTHING in it for
> root....
Not really, and you want to do it as an export. :)
Each time you start X, the server creates a magic cookie. In order to
connect to the server, the client program has to pass the cookie to the
server. This makes it so that in order to talk to your X server,
they'll need to be able to read the .Xauthority file (and if they can do
that and it's not you, you have bigger problems :)). Effectively, it
maps the Unix files system permissions onto X.
Copying the file will only work in your current session. The next
login, you'll get a different cookie, and root will pass the old cookie
back to the server and be rejected again.
It's a bit annoying, certainly, but it's also good security.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Setting eth0 and default routing for RH5.1 upon startup
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:13:06 -0500
tf49665 wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where (which startup files) to put my eth0 setting and
> default routing upon startup? I'm running redhat 5.1.
>
> I have to manually set eth0. The following settings work after I login to
> Linux, but I don;t know where the startup files are for these commands. My
> settings are :
>
> insmod 8390
> insmod ne io=0x2a0 irq=11
> ifconfig eth0 ???.???.???.???
>
> route add default gw ???.???.???.???
>
> Thanks and please email me directly in response.
>
> Tom
/etc/sysconfig/network
AND
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/*
-Ben.
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From: "Aaron M. Renn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Does Linux Thrash So Bad?
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 13:52:43 -0600
Todd Knarr wrote:
> I've had this problem at times, and it always seems related to Netscape
> running. Every now and then Netscape just ballons and sucks up all available
> memory, forcing the system to go into massive swapping. Shutting down
> Netscape releases the memory and things go back to normal. One thing
> that consistently triggers this is trying to scroll quickly through a
> long page by grabbing the scroll bar and moving it. I suspect there's
> some stupidity in Netscape causing this, since it never happens with any
> application but Netscape
>
> System: Linux 2.0.36, XFree86 3.3.3, Netscape 4.08, but this problem has
> been showing up ever since Netscape 4.0 came out.
That sounds like my problem. I alwasy suspected it was Netscape, but when
the system starts thrashing it is so bad and I can't even kill anything. My
mouse only moves like an inch per minute. Maybe I should try getting a new
Netscape release.
--
Aaron M. Renn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.urbanophile.com/arenn/
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From: Rob Shinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: From RedHat to Slackware
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:40:39 GMT
Homer wrote:
> To my opinion Slackware is more easy to install then Redhat.
> In Slackware you also get the helpful scripts that Redhat lacks
Hmmm.....I've installed both, and for people with NO Unix experience,
Red Hat is the way to go.
However, like I said before, if you know what you're doing, Slackware is
the way to go.
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:47:48 -0800
From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Acrobat Reader 3.02
I use this wrapper to launch netscape with acrobat. No missing library
problems.
If you use it, change 'ndir', 'adir' and 'adefault' to your locations
[19:44] asus:/opt/acrobat > more /usr/local/bin/netscape
#!/bin/csh -f
# acrobat plugin stuff
set osname=`uname -s`
set osrelease=`uname -r`
set adefault="/usr/local/bin/acrobat"
set adir="/opt/acrobat"
set ndir="/opt/netscape"
set pconfig=intellinux
# netscape environ
setenv XKEYSYMDB "$ndir"/XKeysymDB
setenv NPX_PLUGIN_PATH "$adir"/Browsers/$pconfig
setenv XENVIRONMENT "$ndir"/Netscape.ad
setenv MOZILLA_HOME "$ndir"
# the real thing
/opt/netscape/netscape &
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From: "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.networking.general,comp.os.linux.networking,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Virtual Login
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:47:18 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Paul Lim wrote:
>
> I'm trying to mirror our company's website on my machine inside for development.
>Howver I'm running into trouble with cgi-scripts looking in the wrong directories.
>
> The ISP that hosts the site has a login system that maps root "/" to "/www/abc/".
>
> How do I do that in Linux?
man chroot
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What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
Welchen Teil von "Gestalt" verstehen Sie nicht?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Small version of Linux
Date: 15 Feb 1999 03:53:53 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:06:38 -0500,
[EMAIL PROTECTED], in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>> > I have an old PC with only a 3.5in floppy drive which i would like to install
>> > linux on, Is there a small version of linux that i'll fit on just a few disks?
>> > max 20? If so, where can i find it?
>>
>> I don't know about Linux, but you can find a small version of FreeBSD to fit on a
>> single floppy:
>>
>> -->http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/
>
>There are two versions of linux that will fit on a single
>floppy diskette, the Linux Router Project and Micro Linux.
>They can be found respectively at http://www.linuxrouter.org/
>and http://www4.pisoft.it/~andreoli/mulinux.html
>
>Greg
>
>
Don't forget tom's root boot.
www.toms.net/rb
the most linux on one floppy. No old kernels, decent tools.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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Subject: Re: symbolic link permissions
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Heller)
Date: 15 Feb 1999 01:43:24 -0500
Eric Goforth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Sun, 14 Feb 1999 02:09:23 +0000, wrote :
EG> I've exported the address book from a Windows 95 contact manager type
EG> software into a comma delimited file that I've saved in my Windows 95
EG> partition. I've made a symbolic line to it using ln -s and chown'ed it
EG> so that I can view it while non-superuser. I figured that I could write
EG> a perl script to view/manipulate but when I open it in emacs I'm warned
EG> that it is read only.
EG>
EG> Permissions look like:
EG>
EG> [eric@localhost eric]$ ls -l pho*
EG> lrwxrwxrwx 1 eric root 30 Feb 13 10:17 phonenos ->
EG> /dosc/windows
EG> /desktop/phonenos
EG>
EG> The man page for symlink had the following on permissions and symbolic
EG> links:
EG>
EG> The permissions of a symbolic link are irrelevant; the
EG> ownership is
EG> ignored when following the link, but is checked when removal or
EG> renam-
EG> ing of the link is requested and the link is in a directory
EG> with the
EG> sticky bit set.
EG>
EG> I can't find anything about permissions and symbolic links in the man
EG> page for ln. Is there anyway that I can write to this file while
EG> non-root?
You cannot do a 'chown' of any files on a FAT partition -- the FAT file
system does not have 'owners'. Changing the owner or protection of the
symlink only affects the *symlink*. The only thing you can do with a
symlink is de-reference it or remove it.
By *default*, when your FAT file system is mounted at start up, it is
owned by root and are readable / writable / executable by root
(determined by the RO bit supplied by the FAT dirents).
To gain access to the files by other users, it is necessary to 'fake'
ownership and modes, which the mount command can do. Look at 'man 8
mount' for complete details, but the short answer is what is in your
/etc/fstab file. I'm going to guess there is a line like:
/dev/hda1 /dosc vfat defaults 0 0
change this to:
/dev/hda1 /dosc vfat gid=100,uid=5125,umask=000 0 0
(replace '5125' with your non-priv user ID).
The options 'gid=100,uid=5125,umask=000' tells the mount command to
'pretend' that all of the files on the vfat partition /dev/hda1 are
owned by user 5125 (heller (me) on *my* box), in group 100 (users), and
permision is ugo+rwx (777), except those files that have the MS-DOS 'ro'
bit set -- these files are mode ufo+rx (555).
Note: the only way to manipulate the owner and permissions of a FAT file
system is at mount time and the owner and permissions apply to all of
the files on that partition. MS-DOS / MS-Windows does not implement
either ownership of file nor permission, outside of a RO bit (which is
not related to anything like an owner or group). Note: if there are
multiple people using your system and you use a protection like the
above, anyone can fiddle with your MS-Windows files -- you cannot
implement Linux file protections on a MS-Windows disk (not really
different if multiple people were sharing a MS-Windows disk under
MS-Windows, since MS-Windows does not implement any file system
protections anyway.
--
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From: "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Still trying to recover a lost partition
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:45:48 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Juhani Vanhala wrote:
>
> As you may have read from my previous postings, I lost my /dev/hdb5
> partition while using dos fdisk. Well, I got the partition restored by using
> Ranish Partition Manager. However, Linux still insists that there is
> something wrong in /dev/hdb5, and would not mount it. Also e2fsck failed
> with error: "Bad magic number in super block while trying to open /dev/hdb5.
> The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
> filesystem"
>
> I was almost ready to give up and reinstall Linux, but then I happened to
> try a small dos utility package called EXT2 TOOLS. That comes with a small
> set of executables that can be used to read ext2fs partitions from DOS. To
> my surprise, that package was able to access /dev/hdb5 without any problems.
> I can do 'ls' and 'cd' to any directory, and there really does not seem to
> be anything wrong with the filesystem. I have also copied a few files to DOS
> side, and they are all OK.
>
> So the question is now, why cannot Linux get that partition mounted if it
> really is there? By looking at the source code, it seems that EX2 TOOLS uses
> biosdisk() -calls to read data from the partition. I assume Linux uses some
> other method.
I recently had similar problems. I recovered, though I'm not sure how.
I was trying to install and uninstall LILO, and managed to copy a very
old boot sector to /dev/hda1 -- several partition tables ago. There are
things in life which you do to discover the lesson is "don't". This was
three of them.
I rebuilt the partition table _partially_ by hand, enough to get my
root, /usr, and two utility partitions (/usr/src and /usr/doc) up again,
but missing /home and a DOS partition in /dev/hda1. Re-running LILO
gave me a bootable Linux system, but I still didn't have the two missing
partitions. Neither mounting nor e2fsck was successuful -- mounting
gave the "Bad magic number" message (or one similar), e2fsck returned a
message including the text "zero length filesystem".
Using 'dd' and 'od' I found a string of nulls at the begining of the
partition.
Somewhere in this process I trashed the /usr/src and /usr/doc partitions
as well. Much unhappiness ensued.
Still able to mount root and /usr, I downloaded a copy of my partition
table which I'd posted in response to another mailing list question
(_that_ was a lot more useful than I'd thought at the time!).
Multiple reboots, mounts, and e2fsck's later, I was suddenly able to
mount all my ext2 partitions without problems. I never did recover the
DOS partition, but had most of it available on a backup archive. I'm
still somewhat confused as to what the problem and/or solution was. I
relate my tale in the hope it might help someone, and that I might
eventually find out what hit me.
One lesson is to _ALWAYS_ have a CURRENT, HARDCOPY copy of your
partition table(s) available. Mine is now pasted into my system journal
(bound lab book).
--
Karsten M. Self ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
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From: "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Weird happenings with "su"
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 05:52:01 +0000
Hehe... I'd rather look like a dumbass than unknowingly run my system like one,
so I'll go ahead and ask this question:
What did you mean by 'export' in your original reply? I didn't know if you
were talking about a line that needed to go in a 'profile' or 'bashrc' file or
what-not...
Steve
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:52:22 -0800
From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: more ugly ssyslog messages
Try doubling the values in /proc/sys/vm/freepages
ie-
# cat /proc/sys/vm/freepages
then
# echo "nnn mmm ooo" > /proc/sys/vm/freepages
If this was the problem you should see paging start earlier but not have errors about
getting/releasing free pages.
Add the echo line in /etc/rc.d/rc.local if it works.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Weird happenings with "su"
Date: 15 Feb 1999 06:01:21 GMT
On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 05:52:01 +0000,
Steve D. Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hehe... I'd rather look like a dumbass than unknowingly run my system like one,
> so I'll go ahead and ask this question:
>
> What did you mean by 'export' in your original reply? I didn't know if you
> were talking about a line that needed to go in a 'profile' or 'bashrc' file or
> what-not...
It's a two-in-one command:
part 1:
XAUTHORITY=~user/.Xauthority
This sets the variable XAUTHORITY to point to the file that has the
proper magic cookie in it.
part 2:
export XAUTHORITY
The shell doesn't care what your X permissions are. But it does pass
variables to other programs if you ask it nicely. This way any X
program started will automagicaly read the Xauthority file it needs to
get permissions.
You could do it as an alias, but I always hand type 'em as a reminder
that I really shouldn't run X stuff as root. (Same reason I leave the
root prompt the plain and simple '#', it is a reminder to think before I
type. :))
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why is X video setup for i386 so complicated?
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 05:59:20 +0000
> Any mother will tell you that giving birth to a child is a painful
> ordeal. It's similar with the X Window System. The aftermath makes
> it all worthwhiler.
Quite true, quite true. However, the same could be said for Linux setup
itself. That is the great thing about distributions... someone out there has
created a setup program that will get you going with a "base" to start from
(yeah, you can set a ton of options during the setup program... but it's nowhere
near as customizable as if you really built your Linux system from scratch).
After installing this base (which is typically enough for novice users), advanced
users can proceed to customize and tweak til their heart's content.
There is no end to the customization of X that an advanced user can get
into... but it would be nice if the simplistic creation of some "base" system was
done better by distributions' setup programs. Every future Linux guru has to
start out somewhere... and a metaphor to CHILDBIRTH isn't exactly a good "welcome
wagon" to our community! <smile>
Steve
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From: Jeremiah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Ensoniq soundcard problem
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:00:39 -0500
Mircea wrote:
>
> Well, the only thing I can say is my ES1371 works great with the drivers
> in the 2.2.1 kernel.
I'm still using the ALSA drivers with 2.0.36, and I have no
complaints, either.
>
> > I agree. I went sound card shopping today. Got a shuttle PCI with
> > this 1370 chip and a generic ISA card with the crystal CS4232
> > chip and tried both. The 1370 chip sounded REAL bad while the
> > card with the crystal CS4232 chip sounds great! Have no idea if
> > linux just doesn't like PCI sound cards or if the driver for this
> > chip is just lame..
The driver that ships with RH5.2 is just lame... there was a
post to USENET about two months ago quoting the author of the drivers
as saying they weren't very good, and recommending 2.2.x. ALSA is a
good option as well.
Brian
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:59:47 -0800
From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Module support for ZIP 100 plus
> compliled it with module support for a ZIP 100 plus drive, (external
> parallel port). I've got the imm module compiled, but when I do
> ...
> /lib/modules/2.2.0/scsi/imm.o: init_module: Device or resource busy
printer conflict maybe?
I have a second parallel port card for the zip. lilo.conf keeps them separated at
boot time:
append="\
lp=0x378,7 \
ppa=0x278,0,6 \
"
> Any suggestions welcome. Incidentely, I did not seem to need any software
> updates to ugrade the original 2.0.36 to 2.2.0. Is this the problem ?
Depends on what else you run. ipfwadm -> ipchains hit a lot of folks.
Check out
http://www-stu.calvin.edu/~clug/users/jnieho38/goto22.html
and
http://www.linuxhq.com/change22.html
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"Everything is permitted. Nothing is forbidden."
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From: "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Terminal Emulators. . .
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:54:45 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fred Flatstone wrote:
>
> Norvell Spearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I have a Linux server running an accounting program called OSAS (Open Systems
> > Accounting Software). I need a good terminal emulation program for
> > Windoze95/98 machines so they can telnet into the Linux server and run that
> > program, retaining colors, keybindings, et cetera.
>
> I wonder if he'd go to a Windows NT newgroup to ask for a good terminal emulation
> program for Linux machines so they can telnet into the Windows NT server?
>
> This playing field is not very level, I guess.
Actually, there is a way to telnet into an NT box.
The UWIN (Unix for Windows: http://www.research.att.com/sw/tools/uwin/)
compatibility toolkit, by David Korn (father of the korn shell) includes
a telnet daemon (system service to NT). Running UWIN on the NT box, it
is possible to telnet in and run either UWIN commands or NT
applications. You are limited to non-windowing utilities, but yes, you
can telnet in to the box.
--
Karsten M. Self ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
Welchen Teil von "Gestalt" verstehen Sie nicht?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: Re: what's the difference between desktop/window-manager
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 06:14:31 GMT
[Posted and mailed, snipped for brevity, quoted material marked with
">"]
On 10 Feb 1999 21:40:24 -0500, David Steuber
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I don't think you will regret it. I use KDE and think it is very
>nice. However, GNOME also looks quite good and I might give that a
>whirl. One think I really like about GNOME is the GTK widget library
>uses C bindings, which allows many languages to link with it. KDE
>uses QT which is C++. I may be mistaken, but I think that GNOME may
>become the more popular desktop.
>
>At least you have a choice!
I tried KDE and didn't like it once I got past the pretty face. In
fact I've ripped both KDE and Qt off my system I liked it so much. To
go one further, my opinion of KDE is keeping me from even trying
gnome, which is a shame because I like the gimp, and it uses Gtk, so
gnome is probably ok. But ask yourself this; in 5 years will you
care?
===================================================================
"If you wouldn't pay to do it, why would you do it for pay?" -steve,
http://www.codetools.com/showcase
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: Re: Linux suxxxx
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 06:14:37 GMT
[Posted and mailed, snipped for brevity, quoted material marked with
">"]
On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:34:07 -0000, "softalk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Let me tell you I give up. After 3 solid weeks trying to set up a linux
>system I finally submit to the fact that me and Linux do not get on. I have
>been installing novell & Win networks as a job for 9 years but wow what a
>shock I got from Linux. It's like trying to learn to program in C with no
>manual or source code to compare. Even a simple job like installing a new
>program is sometimes impossible. So goodbye Linux and goodbye smug Linux
>users.
There are a few smug users, but the correct technical term for them is
"dickhead" not just "smug".
Generally the Linux communit seems far more helpful than the Winblows
ng's imlo.
Don't give up unless it's no fun. Help is available in the ng's.
===================================================================
"If you wouldn't pay to do it, why would you do it for pay?" -steve,
http://www.codetools.com/showcase
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: Re: Linux suxxxx
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 06:14:45 GMT
[Posted and mailed, snipped for brevity, quoted material marked with
">"]
On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 01:34:24 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Odd how people say Linux isn't documented. If they are not documentation then
>just what does one call man pages, doc files, how-tos, mini how-tos, the
>distribution documentation...
<flame-bait>
I have yet to see any Linux documentation that is as good as the
corresponding documentation for Windows. On the other hand,
documentation doesn't get any better than source code, and you simply
can't see that on Windoblows. Maybe people just don't like to read
the source code...
</flame-bait>
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From: Tomasz Lukasiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: rlogin script
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:02:52 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hi,
i'm sure someone has already done this: i regularly rlogin to
various machines on my school's network. what i would like to do is to
is have a bash script (say rlogin_a) that automatically sends my login
and password iformation so that i don't have to do it each time i
rlogin. does anyone have such a script that they could post?
thanks
tom
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: Re: Linux suxxxx
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 06:14:47 GMT
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On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 05:27:13 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
wrote:
>Geez, guy, even *journalists* are installing Linux without trouble now.
Must be a different flavor of "journalist" than the ones on the
nightly news, those on't seem to have the sense to poor piss out of a
boot. :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: Re: what's the difference between desktop/window-manager
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 06:14:30 GMT
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On Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:56:59 -0500, Chetan Ahuja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Hi Ben,
> Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation. It clears up a lot of stuff.
>I think I'll try the KDE one of these days when I have time to kill...
That's a real good time to do it. Make sure you have plenty of ram to
kill too. You'll need both for KDE to be usable. Personally I
prefer fvwm2 with ktdesk, but each to his own.
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