Linux-Misc Digest #41, Volume #20 Mon, 3 May 99 15:13:14 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux hangs at Partitions Check ("Cameron Spitzer")
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Chris Costello)
ssh for redhat 6.0 (William Schwartz)
What is this? ("Robert Annandale")
Re: linux to replace windoze machines ? (Fernando)
ppp-connction and CD-writer (-->????) (Max)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Robert Krawitz)
Re: SUID games? What is RedHat doing? (Barry Margolin)
Re: LOCALHOST question...whoa baby! (Regnor Jernsletten)
Re: Mac-emulation on Linux? (Shimpei Yamashita)
Re: SUID games? What is RedHat doing? (Stefan Davids)
Re: Downloading RedHat 6.0 w/Win95 (Rod Smith)
Re: Trouble connecting to ISP using PPP (Mihaly Gyulai)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)^ (Bill Bonde)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Re: DVD movies on Linux ? (Robert Brashear)
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From: "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux hangs at Partitions Check
Date: 3 May 1999 17:59:00 GMT
In article <7gkh83$4dd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
giuseppe pittavini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have a 10.1 GB WD hard drive. I have installed WIN95 with FAT32. I
>wanted to install RedHat 5.2 by running installation from the CD but the
>LILO hangs at the Partition check step. I am using LBA in bios.
>I tried deleting the WIN95 partition and run the installation but the same
>thing happened.
I had the same problem with the same size HD. The old Linux fdisk
and Red Hat Disk Druid thought they wre writing a correct PT,
but when I went back to read it, fdisk hung up with "unable to seek"
and disk Druid just hung.
Debian 2.1's cfdisk had no problem with the drive. I suspect fdisk is not
being maintained any more, and RH doesn't test on a wide enough variety of
hardware. Try partitioning the drive with a Debian Rescue floppy.
Cameron
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:03:59 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello) wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robert Krawitz wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> It doesn't. He's speaking nonsense again.
That would explain all that great GPL'd end-user software out there like..
umm.. umm.. let's see.. what lame ducks to the zealots like to wheel out in
situations like this. The Gimp? (4 years behind photoshop) Their WYSIWYG
editor? (uh oh.. seem to have misplaced that one) Emacs? (bwahahaha) XV?
(about as complicated technologically as one of those paddles with a rubber
ball attached to it via a little rubber band but STILL manages to have a
terrible user interface).
And even if there is some wonderful GPL'd end-user piece of software out
there that keeps up with the times and lives up to modern usability
standards, it would be the exception, not the rule. GPLd (and all or most of
open source software) is by nature inefficient in terms of man-hours to debug
(even Eric Raymond admitted so much in his little rant before he quit) and is
particularly slow to be able to change course (what mountains had to be moved
during the emacs/xemacs split!)
These factors (plus that the GPL itself has flaws which work against moedrn
object-based software design) keep it (and, to a lesser degree, all
open-source software in which the actual writing of the code does not
directly lead to profit) a perpetual also-ran.
To quote principal Skinner: "prove me wrong children, prove me wrong."
if you claim i'm "speaking nonsense" "again", perhaps you'd like to correct me
with actual facts on one issue. Any one will do.
*plonk*
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:20:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Johan Kullstam wrote:
> jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > : I'm completely aware. I don't like developing on software
> > > : that makes me release all of my code. If I want to, say, use an
> > > : IRC server that's GPLed, and add my proprietary extensions to it
> > > : for conferences amongst my coworkers, I can't do that, now, can
> > > : I?
> >
> > Nope, it would be illegal
>
> take away the word proprietary and everyone can be happy.
>
> > > Yes, you can. If you don't distribute it. What the GPL grant you
> > > is the right to modify the program and the obligation to grant the
> > > same right to the persons or organisations that you distribute the
> > > software to.
> >
> > Distributing it to coworkers would be distributing it.
>
> yes, but if offer the cow-orkers source and they all agree not to copy
> it further, then there is no problem.
>
> > > It is tit for tat. The cost of not reinventing the wheel comes at
> > > the price that you can't denie your customers the right to modify
> > > the source that you had originaly. Is that fair? It certainly is
> > > IMHO.
> >
> > This also causes problems for people working on free software.
>
> you know, sometimes you can't eat your cake and have it too.
>
> the GPL is what it is. GPL *does* restrict downstream users of the
> code. the L stands for *license* after all. GPL software source is
> not itself given or sold to you. it is merely licensed. certain
> rights of the original author *are* reserved. this isn't a big
> mystery or surprise.
>
> why shouldn't the author be able to control what happens to his work?
> i do not feel the restrictions of the GPL are particularly onerous --
> especially when you compare it to, say, microsoft's end user license
> agreement. you are free to use GPL or not. you can avoid GPL
> software if you want to. i really do not see what the big problem is.
Read the first article that started this whole mess of
threads. The one beginning with "The GPL is a crock."
>
> --
> johan kullstam
--
Chris Costello
"#define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare."
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From: William Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ssh for redhat 6.0
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:31:48 -0500
Does anyone know of an rpm of ssh that works on redhat 6.0?
Also need ssh for Redhat 5.2
thanks
Bill
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From: "Robert Annandale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: What is this?
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:39:37 -0700
Anyone seen this, or can anyone offer a solution...
INIT: ld "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
INIT: ld "2" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
INIT: ld "3" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
INIT: ld "4" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
INIT: ld "5" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
INIT: ld "6" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
...then it starts from the top again and loops nicely.
It was still looping when I came in after the weekend.
What a lovely Linux trick!
Any takers.
My Hardware.
Two SCSI drives on an Adaptec 2940 (supported)
Intel Pentium II 400
ATI Rage 4MB video adapter.
Cheers,
_______________________________________
Robert Annandale
Reply to rob 'underscore' a 'at' unipharm 'dot' com
Remove the spaces from my address when replying.
Or just post to the newsgroup, i'd prefer that.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fernando)
Subject: Re: linux to replace windoze machines ?
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 08:38:34 GMT
On Sat, 01 May 1999 14:25:10 -0400, -bill- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Coming from a SCO environment I am somewhat cluless.
>Does Linux come with Xfree ?
Yep. XFree, several window managers, and even desktop
environments as KDesktop or Gnome.
//-----------------------------------------------
// Fernando Rodriguez Romero
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// frr at mindless dot com
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From: Max <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ppp-connction and CD-writer (-->????)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:54:00 +1200
Hi,
has anybody got an idea about how the following problem is caused and
thus hints on how to solve it? Here goes...
When my (ATAPI-IDE MitsumiCR-4801TE) writer is writing while I am on
the net, the connection will be fine as long as the writer is not
actually WRITING (red lamp off between tracks and so on, whatever).
But when the lamp is actually on, the net-connection will almost
freeze. It (only the connection, nothing else!) is dog-slow and (as
far as I can see) the only thing that works are nameserver lookups,
because hosts get resolved correctly.
The system load while writing is not especially high and the same
problem appears when I write with less speed (1x, 2x) than the nominal
4x.
I am using SuSE 6.0, kernel 2.2.7 with scsi-host-adapter emulation for
the IDE writer. Everything else on request. (I just cannot figure out
what configuration details would be of any help on this one.)
This really puzzles me.
It is not a real fault as everything else works fine and the writer is
just great, its just a *little* annoying.
If anyone knows what to do, please let me know. If anybody needs help
with this kind of writer -> I'll see what I can do.
Cheers
Max
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:57:48 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ed Avis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think it's fairly clear that if software copyrights were abolished,
> all software would become free software.
snip
> Combine that with
> the fact that your competitors will likely be offering source, and it
> seems likely that abolition of copyrights on software would produce
> nearly 100% free software.
Do people really think that if copyrights went away the software
industry would shrug their shoulders and start giving it away for free?
If software copyrights were abolished the industry would simply and
easily take matters into their own hands. They would push hard for
copy protection to be rolled into the hardware. They would require
downloading of "tokens" from the net to allow software to work etc.
People would scream. There would be talk of boycotts. It would all
come to nothing because most people want to run the latest version of
whatever more than they care about copy protection. Those who control
the software (I avoid the word "own") get to decide how it's used.
Today copyrights are a cheap way to provide some measure of protection.
If they go away, the cost of protection will go up, the venders will
pay for it, and they will pass those extra costs onto us.
Watch what you wish for, it may come to pass.
Oh well....
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From: Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: 03 May 1999 10:15:08 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson) writes:
> It does happen that Tightwad Corp is owned by Gill Bates, the
> greediest SOB west of Mount Rainier, so Closed Inc can probably
> offer him money and expect a successful deal.
You've left out the part where Tightwad Corp. decides that ClosedSQL
is a really nice product. So nice, in fact, that Tightwad decides
that they really should have it themselves. So they offer ClosedSQL
the choice of a buyout on unfavorable terms, or else Tightwad
Corp. will make their Smokin' Mirrors OS incompatible with ClosedSQL,
write TightSQL based on knowledge they gained in the negotiations, but
there's no way ClosedSQL will be able to prove it in court because
Tightwad can afford armies of topnotch lawyers, so Closed Inc. loses
out anyway.
> It also happens that Closed Inc knows full well that Stichard
> M. Rallman and that group of communists who wrote FooSQL won't
> touch money with a stick, but will give their programming
> efforts to anyone in return for other code. So offering to
> revamp ClosedSQL into a new program known as OpenedSQL would
> clearly allow them to make a deal for the sort code in FooSQL.
And OpenedSQL will enjoy support from the legions of people who have
gotten fed up with Tightwad Corp. Some of these people will write
extensions and other applications based on OpenedSQL, and newly
renamed Open Inc. can enhance and resell these applications along with
their base OpenedSQL. While people can download all these
applications from the Ninteret, in practice they find it much easier
to buy a CDROM containing all of these applications, along with Open
Inc.'s legendary support and customization services, with the result
that Open Inc. maintains a thriving business and has powerful forces
at its side when Tightwad Corp. decides it wants to muscle in.
What's more, when a serious bug is found in OpenedSQL at 7 PM one fine
Friday evening, and the DBA's in a tizzy because there's an essential
job that has to run at midnight, someone writes a fix, sends it off to
the frazzled DBA, and the run goes off as scheduled. The DBA is now
convinced that OpenedSQL is the best thing since sliced bread, and
that seemingly redundant support actually improves reliability.
--
Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/
Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
--Eric Crampton
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From: Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.security.unix
Subject: Re: SUID games? What is RedHat doing?
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:08:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Alan J Rosenthal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It's not a law of the universe that svgalib use requires setuid root, it's a
>law of the linux kernel. Theoretically, this could be changed. (I don't know
>whether it would be difficult. Of course, a change which made it possible
>for any uid to become root would be unacceptable.)
If a non-suid program could do what svgalib does, it would mean that any
ordinary program could take complete control over the console. Now *that*
would be a security hole!
Actually, there are other ways to implement things like this. In Solaris,
when you login on the console the ownership of certain devices is assigned
to you (the file /etc/logindevperm specifies this). This allows programs
like the X server to give direct access to the console to the user who
logged in on the physical console.
--
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GTE Internetworking, Powered by BBN, Burlington, MA
*** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups.
Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group.
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From: Regnor Jernsletten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: LOCALHOST question...whoa baby!
Date: 02 May 1999 17:02:02 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rick) writes:
> Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I've noticed that my host name has been changing after an undetermined
> > amount of time, usually after having worked on top of the X server for
> > some time. Normally, my box is named LOCALHOST, i.e. [ROOT@LOCALHOST
> > /ROOT] or [USER@LOCALHOST /HOME]. After time, however, I've noticed
> > that the name will change to a alpha-numeric type, usually something
> > like "core10d46". It always starts with "core", then has a
> > 2-digit/"d"/2-digit sequence following thereafter.
(...)
> Im running LinuxPPC 4.1 with Red Hat 5.0, and I dont seem to have this
> problem. How long does it take to show up?
In my case, when I after half a year switched from kppp (KDE) to
netcfg (Redhat 5,1).
--
Regnor Jernsletten
Tromso, Norway http://www.uit.no/ssweb/
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From: Shimpei Yamashita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Re: Mac-emulation on Linux?
Date: 3 May 1999 12:24:31 +0100
FM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>I will attend a college this fall that is predominantly
>Mac-oriented. While they state that Unix and Windows are
>supported by the campus network, it seems that a Macintosh-
>compatible system might be necessary to fully take
>advantage of the system. For example, many softwares are
>written for Macintosh by the faculty, the letter for last
>year's computer purchase recommendation notes. I'm a little
>disgruntled, as I have been planning on getting a Linux
>system for college. So here are a couple of options I have:
>
>1. Just buy a X86 machine and install Linux on it (if not
>preinstalled). Get some Mac-emulation software if necessary.
>
>The problem I have with this option is that I have no idea
>about the availability of Mac-emulation softwares for Linux
>nor the degree of compatibility they provide.
Executor is an interesting piece of software, but I suspect that
not being PowerPC-ready will make it inadequate for your purposes.
If you are going to use software recently written by the faculty,
there is a strong possibility that they will no longer even compile
for the older m68k processors, which is the only processor Executor
emulates.
Also, I'm not sure if Executor is capable of becoming an AppleShare
client. I am not aware of any other Linux software that has this
capability, either. (CAP and Netatalk can do AppleShare *servers*, but
not clients.) If not, and your school has an extensive network of
AppleShare servers, then you could be seriously inconvenienced trying
to get files from those servers.
>2. Buy a Macintosh and dual boot with Linux/MacOS
>
>Well I think this is a nice compromise but I'm not sure how
>well Linux runs on Macintosh. I'm fairly sure that it will
>be an improvement over Windows/MacOS, but I'm not even sure
>if most Linux softwares are available for this setup (or if
>it's generally source-level compatible).
Source level compatibility is close to 100%. Some processor- or
hardware-dependent code will fail, but those tend to be few and far in
between. Some proprietary software is available on the PowerPC, such
as Applixware and the Motif library, although the selection is not as
big as it is on the Intel side. IMHO this is not a huge loss,
especially for students--about the only ones I really miss are
WordPerfect and Mathematica, and you can run these in Mac OS if you
are really desperate.
www.linuxppc.org is a good starting point. You should also subscribe
to the linux-pmac and linuxppc mailing lists to hear the latest
details--newsgroups are not very good indicators.
Finally, as for performance, my G3/233 was about 30% slower than a
P2/400 in most tasks except graphics (where the yet-unaccelerated
server was still relatively slow). This was a few months ago, so the
ratio may be even better today as gcc and the C library for PowerPC
are optimized for performance.
--
Shimpei Yamashita <http://www.submm.caltech.edu/%7Eshimpei/>
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From: Stefan Davids <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.security.unix
Subject: Re: SUID games? What is RedHat doing?
Date: 03 May 1999 19:29:36 +0100
>>>>> "lamontg" == lamontg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> These games are such an obvious security threat that they have
>> been gone over with a fine-toothed comb years ago. As proof of
>> this, check out how many security notices about SVGALIB
>> executables have been released over the last few years. You
>> would be safer deleting NFS, sendmail, pop mail and imap daemon
>> from your system.
lamontg> Odd. I've read all the BUGTRAQ discussion about SVGALIB
lamontg> executables over the past few years and instead reached
lamontg> the conclusion that those who write+port+maintain games
lamontg> should never, ever under any circumstances be trusted
lamontg> with writing code that works under elevated privs.
That may be true but it shouldn't affect security.
Anything that runs under svgalib has to run as root to call
vga_init(), according to the man page the root privileges are dropped
in that function call. The man page also recommends calling vga_init()
as the first line of the program.
Consquently how secure the program is coded is irrelevant for root
exploits and I suspect vga_init() itself has been fairly well
scrutinized.
Stefan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Downloading RedHat 6.0 w/Win95
Date: 3 May 1999 12:52:03 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted and mailed]
In article <7giubc$q33$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mogley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> It seems when my win95 ftp client encounters a symbolic link on the host
> server, it downloads the links target and not the actual link. Will this
> cause a problem.
First, I suggest you check my web page on burning a Red Hat CD from
Windows. There are a LOT of potential pitfalls (links being one of them),
and it's best to invest a few minutes in reading rather than burn several
coasters. My web page is at:
http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith/rhjol.html
I've not yet updated it for RH 6.0 (I haven't yet gotten RH 6.0), but
AFAIK, it should still be 95-99% accurate for RH 6.0.
Second, if you burn the actual file that's linked to rather than a link,
it should work fine.
> I was also wondering what the /redhat/redhat-6.0/i386/RedHat/instimage is
> for?
On RH 5.2, that directory contains libraries and programs used during the
installation process itself. Without it, you won't be able to install
from CD.
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the "uce" word from my address to mail me
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From: Mihaly Gyulai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Trouble connecting to ISP using PPP
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 12:06:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron and Lisa Ginn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The problem seems to have something to do with PAP
> authentication.
Did you edit your /etc/ppp/pap-secrets file ?
Is it filled with your login-name and password ?
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From: Bill Bonde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)^
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:49:01 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Robert Krawitz wrote:
>
> Bill Bonde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Loren Petrich wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The GPL is a crock. It forces openness. That's not freedom.
> > >
> > > The way that anti-slavery laws make one not free to own slaves?
> > >
> > Is it wrong to keep software proprietary?
>
> Is it wrong to say "You're welcome to use my source code, but you have
> to play by the same rules I'm playing by"?
>
No, but I think it's foolish to restrict everyone to one set of rules.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:30:18 -0700
On Mon, 03 May 1999 18:03:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello) wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robert Krawitz wrote:
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>> It doesn't. He's speaking nonsense again.
>
>That would explain all that great GPL'd end-user software out there like..
>umm.. umm.. let's see.. what lame ducks to the zealots like to wheel out in
>situations like this. The Gimp? (4 years behind photoshop) Their WYSIWYG
>editor? (uh oh.. seem to have misplaced that one) Emacs? (bwahahaha) XV?
>(about as complicated technologically as one of those paddles with a rubber
>ball attached to it via a little rubber band but STILL manages to have a
>terrible user interface).
>
>And even if there is some wonderful GPL'd end-user piece of software out
>there that keeps up with the times and lives up to modern usability
>standards, it would be the exception, not the rule. GPLd (and all or most of
See, this is the fatal flaw with your entire rant. You're more
worried about user interface goosestepping than actual utility.
Your argument essentially boils down to it's !DOS, so of course
you will see it as a failure.
You don't even give any real details as to how what apps you
do mention fail to live up to the 'one-true-interface'.
[deletia]
--
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A little spite is more than justified. / | \
In search of sane PPP Docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: Robert Brashear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: DVD movies on Linux ?
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 07:58:13 -0500
Micheal MacCana wrote:
>
> Roy,
> I've got a DVD drive too. Apparently, there's no way to read DVD-ROM or
> movie disks on Linux. At the speed of Linux development, however, this will
> surely change in at most nine months though.Does anyone know of such plans?
>
This may be a little off topic and I don't want to start a flame war,
but I am curious. Why would someone want to watch a movie on a desktop
computer? I have never understood this. The comfort factor would be my
biggest objection. Then again, if you have a 36 inch monitor and your
desktop is a studio screening setup...
Bob Brashear
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