Linux-Misc Digest #41, Volume #28 Tue, 5 Jun 01 21:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Num Lock (Thomas Zajic)
Re: System.map, boot.b, chain.b, etc etc.... (Vic Abell)
Re: A plea to those posting questions (Steve Lamb)
Re: Laptop umruesten (Erik Veenstra)
Re: named - fails to recognize service is already running?? (Hal Burgiss)
Re: A plea to those posting questions (Steve Lamb)
Re: linux box cannot be seen in networkneighbourhood of win2000. (M)
Re: rc.local file. (Floyd Davidson)
Re: X-server access problem in RH 7.1 (Andrew)
Re: root password problem (Frank McCormick)
Re: A plea to those posting questions ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: A plea to those posting questions ("Peter T. Breuer")
WYSIWYG HTML Editor for linux (Saqib Ali)
Re: root password problem (Frank McCormick)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Zajic)
Subject: Re: Num Lock
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Zajic)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 23:15:05 GMT
On 05/06/01, Wayne Osborn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Were did you get numlockx from ???
<http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=numlock>, for example. ;-)
HTH,
Thomas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vic Abell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: System.map, boot.b, chain.b, etc etc....
Date: 5 Jun 01 18:06:33 EST
David Douthitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Kwan Lowe wrote:
>> The System.map
>> is used mainly for kernel debugging, though some earlier versions of top or ps
>> might need it.
>lsof uses it; so does klogd. lsof is highly recommended and should be
>*INCLUDED* in every distributions base install....
Lsof hasn't used System.map since the /dev/kmem-based version of lsof
was retired at revision 4.52. Even before that lsof didn't use
System.map when its Configure script sensed /proc could deliver (almost
all) the necessary information.
Vic Abell, lsof author
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
Crossposted-To: redhat.general
Subject: Re: A plea to those posting questions
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 23:22:43 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 22:29:50 GMT, Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>(a) Posting using a false identity may be construed as deception; try posting
>as Tiger Woods.
No. But I will post as Steve C. Lamb and get away with it. Namely
because that is my name. It is the name I always post as except in forums
where aliases and handles are generally accepted. In such places the name
chances whereas the munged email does not. I am quite easy to spot and do not
hide my identity.
>(b) it's against netiquette (check! - I'm bored with quoting bits of the
>netiquette faq).
And? I'm quite familiar with it. Doesn't mean I agree with all of it.
Quite frankly, it doesn't affect you in the slightest.
>(c) you may not make public announcements anonymously in any country that I
>know of, let alone the US - editors have gone to jail over that.
Amazing that I am not posting anonymously. Any live person with 30
seconds and as much in IQ can contact me. Here's a BIG hint, my ICQ number is
in plain sight in my signature. Now that was hard, wasn't it?
>(d), it's simply obstreperous; if you don't feel like posting who you are,
>I'm damned if I can be bothered to help A.Mongol.From.Outer.Space.
That's fine. If people are so stuffy that they don't want to follow-up to
a question because of something in the header chances are I don't want their
help in the first place.
>(e) if you're not brave enough to pronounce your own name in public, I don't
>WANT to help you.
Imagine that, my legal name is Steve C. Lamb. My from line lists my own
name. As for not wanting to help me, see above.
>(f) it displays sheer annoying ignorance of the fact that spam can easily be
>filtered out.
Oh, I'm well aware that spam can be filtered out. In fact, I know how to
effectively filter it out. On the other hand stating that spam can easily be
filtered out displays sheer annoying ignorance that by the time the filtering
is done the damage is already done. I am well aware of my bandwidth usage and
costs associated with it and I'd prefer not to edge those up with spam. That
is /MY/ choice, not yours.
>(g) it sets a bad example for others, like smoking on the metro. I'll leave
>some more reasons till later.
I think it sets a good example. The less effective spam is, the better
off we all are.
If people want an answer in email, they can leave proper instructions with
their question. Otherwise all that really matters in all cases above is that
the identifier is consistent. Considering I've left my from and reply-to
headers munged the same way for three years, the fact that my email can be
derived from the headers, the fact that I am easily accessible on ICQ or
through the web-to-ICQ interface on Mirabilis' site means I'm not hiding
anything except for one thing, my current email from programs that actively
cull them from newsgroups. Don't like it, tough, but them's the breaks, jack.
Calling me an idiot and drumming up bogus reasons won't change the basic
facts.
>> to munge because you /MAY/ decide to answer their message and you /MAY/
>> decide to email that response.
>Nope. Not get do you it.
Yup, that is the argument given several times across several messages.
Not that you get it.
>> And in the case cited the email was not requested.
>I don't know, nor do I care. Do you request every letter you get?
No. Nor do I expect emails for every message nor do I want emails for
every message. I am not posting anonymously, I am not hiding anything nor am
I impossible to contact.
>As far as I can tell, you are posting from
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (though it may be slamb@grey ...)
>and if you are not, then you are misrepresenting yourself as being from
>there, and perhaps I should let them know?
Be my guest. I'll surely enjoy any reply you will get. Assuming, of
course, that you don't continue your rash of random intelligence.
>>>> deduced quite simply from any posting I make, just not the From like or
>>>> the
>I can't see any overt clues in your mail.
I never said overt, I said it could be deduced. Just as you got it from
the references. Of course one could also ask me through ICQ and I would give
it freely.
>Opinionated Thick-Skulled Dumbass.
Wow, your vocabulary has improved. Not that it is impressing me much.
>Has it occurred to you that people may mail you because either they WANT to,
>or because they DON'T INTEND to, or they don't know better, and that either
>way you are causing them grief?
Yup. Sad state of affair that one must munge but if there is "grief"
involved then I submit that the person should take a break from the net or
seek some serious help. A minor annoyance, maybe, but grief? No.
>Think of all the people who write to you asking for your advice on how to
>spell "presumption", spend half an hour composing the mail, and then get a
>bounce back. Oh, yeah, thumb your nose at them do you? "not my affair", do
>you smirk? I find this holier-than-thou nose-in-the-air smugness positively
>sickening.
And I find your holier-than-thou, nose-in-the-air smugness positively
sickening as well. Yay, we sicken each other. We through now or are you
going to reply again even though you have proven every one of my points and
blasted all of yours in the process.
>> If the person asked, I agree, don't munge. But in the grand scheme of
>> things people don't ask for emails. I certainly don't, that is what my
>> score file is for. Idiot.
>If your score file is so good, use it, don't brag about it.
I am using it. See, if you were capable of actually thought you would
understand that my above paragraph means that I don't need email replies
because I score any article with references to articles I've written up. In
that manner I don't miss replies to any queries I have posted.
Now, considering the speed with which I have been responding to your
insult filled tripe one can surmise that I am indeed using my score file in
such a manner since I have yet to miss a posting of yours that contains a
reference to one of mine. Fancy that.
Oh, but of course you meant killfiling. What purpose would killing
responses to my questions be? Come now, you need to bone up on those critical
thinking skills.
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 01:28:29 +0200
From: Erik Veenstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Laptop umruesten
Dennis wrote:
>
> Hallo an alle!
>
> Ich habe hier ein etwas groesseres Problem. Ich habe vor kurzem einen alten
> Laptop (i386, 400 MB Harddisk, 66 Mhz) geschenkt bekommen. Als
> Betriebssystem ist Windows 3.1 installiert. Es ist nur ein 3,5 Zoll
> Disketten-Laufwerk vorhanden, kein CD-Rom Laufwerk.
> Jetzt meine Frage. Wie kann ich auf ein zwar mageres und
> speicherplatzschonendes aber Internettaugliches Linux umruesten?
> Evtl. mit einem ext. CD-Rom Laufwerk? Oder vorher schon den Kernel
> kompilieren und auf Diskette ziehen? Ich weiss da echt keine wirklich gute
> Loesung (weil ich auch noch nicht ganz aus dem 'Newbie-Stadium' 'raus bin
> ;))
>
> Also, fuer eine etwas ausfuehrlichere Antwort waere ich sehr dankbar.
>
> CU, Dennis.
Auf englisch, bitte...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.questions,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: named - fails to recognize service is already running??
Reply-To: Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 5 Jun 2001 19:32:53 -0400
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:43:05 -0400, inetquestion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>If I allow it to start named I end up with a ton of named processes
>running. If I choose do nothing, and exit the system works as normal.
>However I always get the same message the next time I run linuxconf.
>I looked in /etc/rc.d/rc3.d and found two files that began with S55*
>which were S55named and S55sshd. I renamed S55named to S58named and
>restarted the system. Upon entering linuxconf I got the same message
>on exit except this time it was S58named instead of S55named.
>
>I'm not an expert on the System V startup process, but originall thouht
>this was caused by two links begging with the same number "S55", but I
>noticed that this is not the only occurance of this, and the other two
>services seem to have no problem.
>
>also after bootup when I do "ps -ef | grep named"
>I see at lease 4 instances of named running.
[hal@feenix hal]$ ps |grep named
hal 2823 0.0 0.1 1428 468 pts/0 S 19:28 0:00 grep named
named 8115 0.0 1.5 13880 3944 ? S 11:53 0:00 named -u named
named 8117 0.0 1.5 13880 3944 ? S 11:53 0:00 named -u named
named 8118 0.0 1.5 13880 3944 ? S 11:53 0:03 named -u named
named 8119 0.0 1.5 13880 3944 ? S 11:53 0:03 named -u named
named 8120 0.0 1.5 13880 3944 ? S 11:53 0:00 named -u named
named 8121 0.0 1.5 13880 3944 ? S 11:53 0:01 named -u named
I am guessing that BIND 9.x is multi threaded and this is 'normal'. Also
you probably have named listening on multip interfaces. By default I
believe it will listen on every interface it can, including lo.
Possibly the problem is linuxconf not dealing with correctly with some
aspect of this. I get this
[root@feenix tmp]# service named status
rndc: connect: connection refused
which I have no idea why, but named seems to start and run OK, although
it complains some during boot.
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Spamtrap: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
Subject: Re: A plea to those posting questions
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 23:33:20 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 22:59:53 GMT, Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Get me annoyed enough and I'll definitely trace you down.
Geez, not like it is that hard. Ever try asking? No, I guess not. I'm
not afraid of half-wits like you "Tracing me down". Anyone with half a brain
can find me. Isn't like my ICQ number isn't in my sig. The point is that the
culling software doesn't get it.
Of course, I'm still waiting for the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] stating
that some guy named Steve C. Lamb is impersonating the account grey at that
domain. Will you post the response when you do?
>looks most likely. Most of your posts seem to be about spam or related
>mail or news topics. Some sort of fixation? Also
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*laugh* And to think I thought most of my posts were about guns,
Libertarianism, Asheron's Call and child-free rantings.
Relevant Messages for author:[EMAIL PROTECTED] �
Results 1 - 100 of about 3,070. Search took 1.89 seconds
All there on deja for the world to see.
>>>I often accidently hit r (reply) instead of f (followup) because the mail
>>>and news interfaces are similar and muscular reflexes take over.
>
>> Translation: Because *I* might make a mistake *YOU* should change your
>> ways to accommodate *ME*.
>Translation: I take no account of other people.
No, you don't. For if you did you'd understand that maybe we don't want
to be open to spam for our own reasons. The reasonable expectation is that
the replies will be on the newsgroup.
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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From: M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: linux box cannot be seen in networkneighbourhood of win2000.
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 19:44:49 -0400
Can your 2000 box see the Linux box at the network layer (ping the IP address)?
Also, what happens if the ping the hostname of the linux box? If it has
connectivity, it should still be able to respond to the netbios broadcast
request. If 2000 does not see a host belonging to a specific workgroup, it may
have trouble navigating it net neighbourhood.
mf
Liverpool_fc wrote:
> thank you.
>
> all the pc's and server are in the same subnet.
> 192.168.27.1 - 192.168.27.100
> there are no wins, dhcp or dns servers.
>
> simple lan with one rh6.2 box, 5 win98/95 boxes and one win2000 workstation.
> only the win2000 cannot see the rh6.2 server in network neighbourhood.
>
> thank you.
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: rc.local file.
Date: 05 Jun 2001 15:28:56 -0800
"Liverpool_fc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>hello,
>
>it appears that in rh7.0 the rc.local file is the new
>autoexec.bat (dos) equivalent.
New? You realize that UNIX was around before DOS, right? The
concept of rc files is older than DOS's braindead way of doing
things.
>however this file looks like a script. and i need to add a few services/
>modules that start on boot.
>example virtport (command) (options).
>from my experience if you fiddle with a script your syntax needs to be
>correct.
>adding a command line like the example above will cause the script to give
>errors.
>
>any suggestions?
Yep. Learn how to write shell scripts, and learn how to test
them. Also learn how to boot you system to single user
runlevel, or from a rescue disk, *before* you start screwing
with boot scripts. Because while it is exactly true that the
syntax needs to be correct, it is also true that the results
need to be valid too (running the wrong program is just as bad
as mispelling the name of the right one!), and worst of all...
even the best of system admins makes a mistake now and then.
Hence be prepared to recover from your mistakes.
You might also consider a cheap second computer that is used
just to play with such things as learning systems admin.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X-server access problem in RH 7.1
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:30:11 -0000
Thank you for your quick response
> Is telnet installed or telnetd? In order to start a connection, you must
> have telnetd installed _and_ it has to be running (see /etc/xinetd.conf on
> RH systems). What about connecting via telnet from the Linux box to itself?
In our xinetd.conf everything seems to be okay - What are some possible or likely
candidates for mistakes in this file? We CAN telnet into the box from itself, this is
why I think telnetd is installed and running. How can I check if it is running or not?
> Do you have a firewall set up that might mess up things?
No, both machines are on the LAN behind the firewall. Is it possible RedHat is setting
up its own firewall and not allowing telnet access from a remote computer?
Still Troubled in Toronto,
Andrew
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: root password problem
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:34:57 -0400
Steve wrote:
>
> On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:47:59 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
> >I finally ! got around to changing my root password ( I'm the only
> >person using this machine so it's no big deal ) and now when I login as
> >root, and type the password there is a 45 to 50 sec delay before the
> >BASH prompt returns. This never happened before . Anyone have an ideas
> >as to what I could look for ?
>
> I've heard of something like this before, but can't remember what the
> solution was.
>
> What happens if you just login as a user and su to root, do you still get
> the delay or not?
>
There is no other user :) I'll have to create one :) I'll try it and
see what happens.
Thanks
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A plea to those posting questions
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 02:17:58 +0200
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 22:59:53 GMT, Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>looks most likely. Most of your posts seem to be about spam or related
>>mail or news topics. Some sort of fixation? Also
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *laugh* And to think I thought most of my posts were about guns,
> Libertarianism, Asheron's Call and child-free rantings.
Aaaaaaaaaaah. I only scanned linux groups.
> Relevant Messages for author:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Results 1 - 100 of about 3,070. Search took 1.89 seconds
> All there on deja for the world to see.
>>>>I often accidently hit r (reply) instead of f (followup) because the mail
>>>>and news interfaces are similar and muscular reflexes take over.
>>
>>> Translation: Because *I* might make a mistake *YOU* should change your
>>> ways to accommodate *ME*.
>>Translation: I take no account of other people.
> No, you don't. For if you did you'd understand that maybe we don't want
> to be open to spam for our own reasons. The reasonable expectation is that
The problem is in thinking those preferences take preference over
other peoples'. That's inconsideration - and explains perhaps where
you're coming from. I wonder what your arguments on guns and
libertarianism would be, or perhaps I don't.
> the replies will be on the newsgroup.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.general
Subject: Re: A plea to those posting questions
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 02:11:48 +0200
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 22:29:50 GMT, Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>(a) Posting using a false identity may be construed as deception; try posting
>>as Tiger Woods.
> No. But I will post as Steve C. Lamb and get away with it. Namely
> because that is my name. It is the name I always post as except in forums
OK, pax! I don't care enough to argue this. Your arguments are
reasonable. The difference in strategy and attitude seems to derive from
different value systems, and while I don't agree with yours, it doesn't
seem unsustainable to me, just unlikable.
>>(c) you may not make public announcements anonymously in any country that I
>>know of, let alone the US - editors have gone to jail over that.
> Amazing that I am not posting anonymously. Any live person with 30
> seconds and as much in IQ can contact me. Here's a BIG hint, my ICQ number is
> in plain sight in my signature. Now that was hard, wasn't it?
I really don't know enough about ICQ to distinguish it from any other
3-letter acronym. Isn't it a radio-ham call? Or is it something like
IRC? Is it your stock market ticker-tape id? I'd look it up in a
dictionary if I were interested ... honest!
>>(e) if you're not brave enough to pronounce your own name in public, I don't
>>WANT to help you.
> Imagine that, my legal name is Steve C. Lamb. My from line lists my own
> name. As for not wanting to help me, see above.
I think that's fair comment.
>>(f) it displays sheer annoying ignorance of the fact that spam can easily be
>>filtered out.
> Oh, I'm well aware that spam can be filtered out. In fact, I know how to
> effectively filter it out. On the other hand stating that spam can easily be
> filtered out displays sheer annoying ignorance that by the time the filtering
> is done the damage is already done. I am well aware of my bandwidth usage and
> costs associated with it and I'd prefer not to edge those up with spam. That
> is /MY/ choice, not yours.
That is a real argument, though it seems to me to be heavily
exaggerated. I must receive upwards of 200 external mails a day, and I doubt
that more that 2 or 3 are spam. Looking ... I think I got 4 today, one
twice. It's hard to count because their dates are forged too! The
receive order shows them as follows ..
1 May 21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (170)
2 May 21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (170)
3 May 19 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (159)
M 4 Jun 7 kbryant20@hotmail. (109) PERFECT Father's Day Gift - FREE Satel
M 5 Jun 5 katiesthong33@ozem (111) The last time we met ...
...
>>(g) it sets a bad example for others, like smoking on the metro. I'll leave
>>some more reasons till later.
> I think it sets a good example. The less effective spam is, the better
> off we all are.
Not reading it renders it ineffective. Not leting other people mail you
renders human communication ineffective. There is a difference.
>>Opinionated Thick-Skulled Dumbass.
> Wow, your vocabulary has improved. Not that it is impressing me much.
I can use longer words.
> And I find your holier-than-thou, nose-in-the-air smugness positively
> sickening as well. Yay, we sicken each other. We through now or are you
> going to reply again even though you have proven every one of my points and
> blasted all of yours in the process.
Oh, I think we can call it quits...
>>> If the person asked, I agree, don't munge. But in the grand scheme of
>>> things people don't ask for emails. I certainly don't, that is what my
>>> score file is for. Idiot.
>>If your score file is so good, use it, don't brag about it.
> I am using it. See, if you were capable of actually thought you would
> understand that my above paragraph means that I don't need email replies
> because I score any article with references to articles I've written up. In
> that manner I don't miss replies to any queries I have posted.
> Now, considering the speed with which I have been responding to your
> insult filled tripe one can surmise that I am indeed using my score file in
> such a manner since I have yet to miss a posting of yours that contains a
> reference to one of mine. Fancy that.
It seems a remarkably egotistical policy.
> Oh, but of course you meant killfiling. What purpose would killing
> responses to my questions be? Come now, you need to bone up on those critical
> thinking skills.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Saqib Ali)
Subject: WYSIWYG HTML Editor for linux
Date: 5 Jun 2001 17:36:54 -0700
Howdy All,
Is there a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux???? I used to use Star Office,
but then I found out it doesnt support nested tables as of yet. For what I do,
i need nested tables. I dont like the composer that comes with netscape, cause
it can not handle forms.
Lemme know if sucha beast exist :)
Saqib Ali
God bless you:)
http://www.stonebeat.org
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From: Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: root password problem
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:36:11 -0400
Steve wrote:
>
> On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:47:59 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
> >I finally ! got around to changing my root password ( I'm the only
> >person using this machine so it's no big deal ) and now when I login as
> >root, and type the password there is a 45 to 50 sec delay before the
> >BASH prompt returns. This never happened before . Anyone have an ideas
> >as to what I could look for ?
>
> I've heard of something like this before, but can't remember what the
> solution was.
>
> What happens if you just login as a user and su to root, do you still get
> the delay or not?
>
There is no other user :) I'll have to create one :) I'll try it and
see what happens.
Thanks
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