Linux-Misc Digest #91, Volume #19 Fri, 19 Feb 99 01:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (John S. Dyson)
Re: Really slow tar (Remco Wouts)
Re: Can't unmount / partition - device busy (Villy Kruse)
MS IIS Vs Apache (cufc)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: cpu usage jumps up question (Tim Moore)
Make http documents created by user modifiable by www group? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Kernel 2.2.1 and slrnpull (Andreas Hinz)
Re: Linux suxxxx ("The Seeker")
Re: Oracle 8.0.5 on linux - SHMMAX kernel parameter?? (Tim Moore)
Please ====> Offline browsing and CGI running <==== Thanks ("Nuno Fel�cio")
Re: ps/2 mouse don't work - help (Andre Doehn)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (W Gerald Hicks)
Netscape cach problem & messenger doesn't save any information? ("Novicer Jothiw")
PLEASE IGNORE (Re: LILO woes: LI - stop) ("A.G.")
Re: PPP seems slow ("muzh")
Where may I find bpatch ? (Arlette Pecontal-Rousset)
Re: Running LINUX under WIN NT????? ("Baseball")
Re: Compiling kernel, get errors (Brian Newman)
compiling problems after transition to 2.0.36 ("A.G.")
uids to logins? (Mike Kennedy)
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused (Michael Powe)
Re: Red Hat's sick sense of humor (support) (Michael Powe)
Re: GCC x EGCS (Michael Powe)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 18 Feb 1999 03:56:46 GMT
In article <7afl52$sco$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Buelow) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Thomas L|fgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>An argument _against_ using the BSD license [2] is that it is
>>"encumbered" by this clause:
>>
>>--[ begin include ]--
>>3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this
>> software must display the following acknowledgement:
>>
>> This product includes software developed by the University of
>> California, Berkeley and its contributors.
>>--[ end include ]--
>>
>>This clause can lead to problems, as argued in [3].
>>
>>
>>[1] http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
>>[2] http://www.freebsd.com/copyright/license.html
>>[3] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/bsd.html
>
> You've got some point with clause 3. This is the reason why it is
> not included anymore in the example ("BSD-style") copyright template
> provided in /usr/share/examples/etc/bsd-style-copyright on recent
> FreeBSD installations.
> Only the first two clauses, and the warranty disclaimer remain.
> I guess clause 3 and 4 of the Berkeley copyright have something
> to do with the research contract under which the software
> licensed with the original BSD copyright was developped (especially
> clause 4 looks something like that), I don't know the facts
> about this though.
>
Clause 3 has been problematical, and it is (as any license term) per
the taste of the developer. Clause 3 causes little or no overhead,
if the work isn't a substantial part of the product (given it wouldn't
be necessary to talk about the constituent parts.) Clause 3 also
doesn't take away the freedom of reuse, and poisons the code such
that certain more restrictive terms (like GPL) are difficult to add.
I have removed Clause 3 from my sole works, so it isn't even technically
true that I prefer use the BSD license... Given a new effort, there are
some cool licenses that keep some of the laudable goals of GPL, and then
you can permute the license into a freer one, when critical mass is met.
--
John | Never try to teach a pig to sing,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | it makes one look stupid
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | and it irritates the pig.
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Subject: Re: Really slow tar
From: Remco Wouts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 18 Feb 1999 09:22:31 +0100
Goto redhat sites and under support search for slow tar.
Jayasuthan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I did something ... dangerous ..
> try some setting on hdparm on you hard disk... It works for me.
>
> man hdparm
>
> Daren Scot Wilson wrote:
> >
> > tar runs very slowly on my machine. This started about a month ago, after
> > reloading linux (RH5.0) and upgrading the kernel, compilers, etc.
remco
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: Can't unmount / partition - device busy
Date: 18 Feb 1999 09:25:36 +0100
In article <7aec2t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Raivis Bucis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>on Linux 2.2.1 I have following problem:
>when I try to reboot my computer it doesn't unmount / partition telling
>device busy.
>Does anybody knows a solution for this problem?
>
You cannot unmount the root partition as at least the init process keeps
it busy. Can't image what is trying to do so. Sometimes you can remount
ot readonly if you need to do a fsck on the root partition.
Villy
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From: cufc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MS IIS Vs Apache
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:12:37 +0000
Hi, I have been tasked at work to provide a Webserver (Hardware and
software)
for our corporate intranet, I am an NT/Novell admin by trade but am
getting more
and more interested in Linux ( I hve been using it for about 12 months)
This is maybe a chance to introduce linux into my working environment
My question is, although I have been using linux for a while, I have
never looked at
apache webserver, Can anyone give me any insight into its ease of use
and administration
The intranet will start off simple at first, but will require setting up
departmental security
individual homepages/ability to check e-mail via Exchange server/user
feedback pages etc
etc, my boss will expect an NT server with IIS, but If I can get away
with a linux system
I intend to install Redhat 5.2 and Apache, anyone got much experience of
setting up
such a combination and what does it perform like
Just looking for some simple opinions on what u think I should do
I am quite Familiar with NT Server/IIS combination but as i said before
it may be a good chance to promote linux where I work
Any help or advice would be much appreciated
regards
Adrain
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 17 Feb 1999 06:02:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Shaun Rowland
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>suppose that I should do so someday soon. I thought that with the
>GPL, you could distribute binary only if you wanted, as long as the
>source was made avaliable if the recipiant wanted it. I guess that
>doesn't really make a difference since the source still has to be
>there. Who wants anything without source code though?
>
>Linux, being under the GPL is not free to be used in some of the ways
>that things under the BSD license are. I have always thought that
>this was a good thing as it forces Linux to be open forever. I don't
>see any problems with any of the BSDs though either. In fact, I am
>starting to lean a little more in the BSD direction.
>
The big difference is that by using GPL in a commercial product you have to do
the following 2 things:
1) If you modify the GPL code, (and I don't mean just link in your own custom
modules that have no GPL code in them) you have to distribute the modifications.
2) You have to make the code you use in your product that is GPL available in
perpetuity.
To use GPL in a commercial product people have to exercise great discipline,
they can't just grab hunks of code in GPL and paste it willy-nilly into their own
code. They need to completely encapsulate each section and clearly divide it
into "their" code and "public" code, preferably in separate programs if possible.
With BSD code you can mod it all you want, use pieces and scraps of it wherever
you want, and you don't have to do anything other than list a copyright notice.
Since most commercial projects seem to be produced under pressure and half
of these are slapped together at the last minute, orderliness and organization
are an anathema, thus the commercial people don't like GPL.
Ted
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:02:24 -0800
From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cpu usage jumps up question
It's a Netscape 'feature'. Try upgrading to 4.5 for some improvement.
--
[Replies: little -> big]
"Everything is permitted. Nothing is forbidden."
WS Burroughs.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Make http documents created by user modifiable by www group?
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:12:35 GMT
If this is double posted I apologize.
I want to make my web documents writable by the www group, so users who
manage the web files can write to there. If I make them owned by the www
group and writable by the www group and a user writes a file to there, the
file ends up having the group ownership of "users" and other users in the
"www" can't modify the file without the user chgrp ing the file to the "www"
group.
I would like it so that when the file is created it is part of the www group
and is writable by the www group. How do I do that? Example follows.
darkstar:$ whoami
brian
darkstar:$ cat /etc/group
[snip]
users::100:games
nogroup::-2:
www:x:101:brian
darkstar:$ ls -la /var/lib/apache/share
drwxrwxr-x 3 www www 1024 Feb 17 17:36 cgi-bin/
drwxrwxr-x 3 www www 1024 Oct 12 00:20 htdocs/
drwxrwxr-x 2 www www 2048 Oct 12 00:20 icons/
darkstar:/var/lib/apache/share/htdocs$ ls -la
total 8
drwxrwxr-x 3 www www 1024 Feb 17 19:32 ./
drwxr-xr-x 5 www root 1024 Oct 12 00:20 ../
-rwxrwxr-x 1 www www 2326 Jul 2 1996 apache_pb.gif*
-rwxrwxr-x 1 www www 1622 May 20 1998 index.html*
drwxrwxr-x 6 www www 1024 Oct 7 02:49 manual/
darkstar:/var/lib/apache/share/htdocs$ touch test.html
darkstar:/var/lib/apache/share/htdocs$ ls -la
total 8
drwxrwxr-x 3 www www 1024 Feb 17 19:32 ./
drwxr-xr-x 5 www root 1024 Oct 12 00:20 ../
-rwxrwxr-x 1 www www 2326 Jul 2 1996 apache_pb.gif*
-rwxrwxr-x 1 www www 1622 May 20 1998 index.html*
drwxrwxr-x 6 www www 1024 Oct 7 02:49 manual/
-rw-r--r-- 1 brian users 0 Feb 17 19:32 test.html
I want test.html so it looks like:
-rw-rw-r-- 1 brian www 0 Feb 17 19:32 test.html
How do I that without issuing darkstar:$ chgrp www test.html and darkstar:$
chmod 0664 test.html on all the files I create. I know I can do a darkstar:$
umask 0113 to get the right permissions while working in the directory, but
is there a way to make the mask apply to this area without having to remember
to issue it?
Should I be approaching this from a different angle?
brian
========
Brian Lavender -- Sacramento, CA
http://www.brie.com/brian/
"If a train station is where the train stops, what is a workstation?" --
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Hinz)
Subject: Kernel 2.2.1 and slrnpull
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:36:06 GMT
I have a problem I can't find a solution for.
I have a system installed from Slackware 3.4 and upgraded to kernel 2.0.35
and 36. And lately til 2.2.0 and patched to 2.2.1.
I have upgraded my system following the instructions in the CHANGES file.
I use pcmcia version 3.0.8 and a NE2000 compatible PC-Card net adapter.
My system is running without errors.
Now, running slrnpull to fetch news, I have experienced at major slowdown.
My ISP was about upgrading their news server and I thougt that was the
problem. But now, with the new server installed and running, I still have
a wery slow news fetching.
Other users with my ISP are running full speed fetching news.
In my effort to solve my problem, I rebooted into my old kernel 2.0.36 and
ran slrnpull. And now I had full speed again.
Rebooting back to 2.2.1 it was slow again.
Running http og ftp on the same system at full speed. Only slrnpull i a
problem.
Now I do not know any next step in solving this problem. I can not find any
info on the net about my problem and I would like any suggestion that might
solve it.
--
Med venlig hilsen / Best regards
Andreas Hinz
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From: "The Seeker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux suxxxx
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:01:46 +0200
My opinion is that :
Anyone who is comparing linux to windows and windows to linux is a moron !
(no hard feelings guys!).
For me, the os is a tool. And windows and linux are totally different tools.
Would you ever use a screwdriver as a hammer or a hammer as a screwdriver ?
I dont think so.......
In the end, it always depends on what are the requirements the user has from
his machine....... If you know what you want, then you already know what is
best for you. But plz dont speak for the others .....
ps
if one uses windows and he is happy, then he is happy ; what do u care ?
if one uses linux and he is happy, then he is happy too ; what do u care ?
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:25:22 -0800
From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oracle 8.0.5 on linux - SHMMAX kernel parameter??
/usr/src/linux-2.0.36/include/asm-i386
[tim@asus]$ grep SHM *.h
shmparam.h:#ifndef _ASMI386_SHMPARAM_H
shmparam.h:#define _ASMI386_SHMPARAM_H
shmparam.h:#define SHM_RANGE_START 0x50000000
shmparam.h:#define SHM_RANGE_END 0x60000000
shmparam.h: * SWP_TYPE = SHM_SWP_TYPE
shmparam.h: * bits 0..6 : id of shared memory segment page belongs to
(SHM_ID)
shmparam.h: * bits 7..21: index of page within shared memory segment
(SHM_IDX)
shmparam.h: * (actually fewer bits get used since SHMMAX is so
low)
shmparam.h: * Keep _SHM_ID_BITS as low as possible since SHMMNI depends on
it and
shmparam.h: * there is a static array of size SHMMNI.
shmparam.h:#define _SHM_ID_BITS 7
shmparam.h:#define SHM_ID_MASK ((1<<_SHM_ID_BITS)-1)
shmparam.h:#define SHM_IDX_SHIFT (_SHM_ID_BITS)
shmparam.h:#define _SHM_IDX_BITS 15
shmparam.h:#define SHM_IDX_MASK ((1<<_SHM_IDX_BITS)-1)
shmparam.h: * _SHM_ID_BITS + _SHM_IDX_BITS must be <= 24 on the i386 and
shmparam.h: * SHMMAX <= (PAGE_SIZE << _SHM_IDX_BITS).
shmparam.h:#define SHMMAX 0x2000000 /* max shared seg size
(bytes) */
shmparam.h:#define SHMMIN 1 /* really PAGE_SIZE */ /* min shared seg
size (bytes) */
shmparam.h:#define SHMMNI (1<<_SHM_ID_BITS) /* max num of segs system
wide */
shmparam.h:#define SHMALL /* max shm system
wide (pages) */ \
shmparam.h: (1<<(_SHM_IDX_BITS+_SHM_ID_BITS))
shmparam.h:#define SHMLBA PAGE_SIZE /* attach addr a
multiple of this */
shmparam.h:#define SHMSEG SHMMNI /* max shared segs
per process */
shmparam.h:#endif /* _ASMI386_SHMPARAM_H */
--
[Replies: yy -> y]
"Everything is permitted. Nothing is forbidden."
WS Burroughs.
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From: "Nuno Fel�cio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Please ====> Offline browsing and CGI running <==== Thanks
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:28:22 -0000
I don't have a LAN. I'm using linux in a single PC, allways offline.
In this conditions, if I have a user A that has some HTML and CGI in his
area, can I use user B to "offline browsing" user A pages, including CGI
(maybe like WEB SERVER for windowz)
I need this for testing my "Site" that i'm creating, including testing CGI .
Thanks
Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Andre Doehn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ps/2 mouse don't work - help
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:36:25 +0100
"David Z. Maze" wrote:
> Look up the major and minor numbers for the device in
> /usr/src/linux/Documentation/devices.txt, and create it with mknod(1).
hi david,
yes it works with
mknod psaux c 10 1
thank you! :-)
--
regards
Andre Doehn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: W Gerald Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:39:52 GMT
Alexander Viro wrote:
[snips]
>
> >Just how is FreeBSD easier to use?
>
> Erm... if one got accustomed to foo he'll be more comfortable
> with foo.
On FreeBSD it's easier to use CVSup for updating the sources and the
"make world/make release" process makes it easy to completely and
_reproducibly_ regenerate the system.
It's easier to understand the progress of FreeBSD development since
they have used CVS to reposit their source code. CVSup's capability
of marshaling the repository metadata to a local system makes this
much faster than trying to use anonCVS for browsing commit logs.
Even a newbie can handle these tasks with relative ease under FreeBSD.
Most Linux users I know are at the mercy of their distributor and
wouldn't even know how to begin.
Jerry Hicks
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Novicer Jothiw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,hk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Netscape cach problem & messenger doesn't save any information?
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:47:06 +0800
Dear Linux world,
I'm a newbie to linux. In the Xwindow, my netscape's messenger doesn't
save setting of subscription to newsgroups and also caches for netscape
browser. What's wrong?
Can somebody give me some idea?
Thanks
John
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From: "A.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: PLEASE IGNORE (Re: LILO woes: LI - stop)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:45:57 -0500
I solved the problem by adding "linear" to lilo.conf
Arcady
A.G. wrote in message ...
>Lilo doesn't bood from HD. Only displays 'LI' and that's it. I can boot
itno
>system from floppy, though.
>
>Tried reinstalling by running 'lilo', uninstalling by running 'lilo -U'.
>Recompliled kernel, changed lilo.conf, rerun 'lilo'. - still the same
thing.
>
>Please advise where I went wrong.
>
>Arcady
>
>
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From: "muzh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PPP seems slow
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:31:48 +1300
I set my my 28.8K modem speed to 57600 -- and got transmission at 9600 only.
Painful!!
So just for the heck of it, I set my modem speed to 115200, thinking I had
nothing to lose.
Hey presto! Transmission like a rocket!!
Is this a bug in KPPP that 57600 only means 9600?
joe wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hi!
>I guess this is not the first time this is asked, but I could not find
>any message to that.
>
>I use SuSE 5.3 and KDE. With Kppp I can connect to my university just
>fine, but my 144400 Modem seems a lot slower than under OS/2. Getting
>my mail takes about twice as long. I have WMPPP running during my
>online time (updated every second) and it jumps from about 1400 b/sec to
>0 to 1400 back and forth. When using the amount of received and sent
>data and the online time I arrive at about 800 b/sec transfer speed,
>which confirms my feeling that things go slow.
>Under OS/2 I also get peeks of 3500 b/s when transferring mail (or other
>non-compressed data). No such thing under Kppp and Linux.
>I have the modemspeed set to 56000 because that is the maximum it can
>get too in effective transmission with compression (V42 I think).
>
>What's wrong?
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Bye
>Thorsten
>
>PS Please reply via e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Arlette Pecontal-Rousset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Where may I find bpatch ?
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:40:40 +0000
Hello,
I appreciate a lot a product I found a long time ago, named bpatch, and
that I compiled on a IBM. Unfortunatly I did'nt keep the sources. Now
that I want it for Linux, I can't find it. It seems to be only availbale
for FreeBSD (compiled binaries, dynamically linked). Anybody knows where
I can find a Linux version or the sources ?
Thanks for help,
Arlette
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Observatoire Astronomique de Lyon
Tel : (33) 04.78.86.83.77
Fax : (33) 04.78.86.83.86
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From: "Baseball" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Running LINUX under WIN NT?????
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:36:39 GMT
Install Hummingbird Exceed v6.1 and SecureCRT and configure Samba on the
Linux server and you'll be set.
Exceed is very nice for running X programs on your NT desktop... I use it
to run the gui config tools on my NT Workstation from the RH 5.2 box...
Larry Armitstead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Sorry to use the dreaded swear word BUT. We have some nice new BIG CNC
> machines that run on linux. Snag is, I need to back up the NC data to an
> NT server and would like to edit data on an NT machine.
>
> Is there an emulator or other such program to enable me to run/edit
> Linux on an NT machine? Or is it going to be a dedicated server and a
> dual boot machine?
>
> TIA
>
> Larry Armitstead
> Larry Armitstead
> Share a problem...and Halve the blame!!
>
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From: Brian Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Compiling kernel, get errors
Date: 18 Feb 1999 00:18:14 -0800
In article <7afirb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian says...
>
Okay, I got this situation solved by rechecking the README file and with a
helpful email from someone. Thanks!
However, now I have a compiled kernel file, bzImage. I did "cp /vmlinuz
/vmlinuz.old", "cp bzImage /vmlinuz", then "/sbin/lilo", then rebooted. Now, I
can't boot at all. It boots up, gets to where it would show LILO and boot
Linux, then the machine reboots back to the memory check. I booted from my
rescue disk, copied vmlinuz.old back to vmlinuz, and rebooted, and it does the
same thing.
Any clues?
====================
Shade and sweet water,
Brian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.aracnet.com/~bnewman
VW info at http://www.newsguy.com/~bnewman/vw
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From: "A.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: compiling problems after transition to 2.0.36
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 05:54:42 -0500
Hi!
Slackware 3.5. upgraded 2.0.34 -> 2.0.36. Can't compile things that were
compiling ok when 2.0.34 sources were installed.
Compiler reports problems with some headers, AFAI understand.
I posted compiler's outputs on the web (text format) to conserve bandwidth:
http://members.xoom.com/genkin/bash.txt
http://members.xoom.com/genkin/modules.txt
Thanx for any input,
Arcady
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From: Mike Kennedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: uids to logins?
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 01:58:42 -0800
Is it possible to within kernel space, resolve current->uid to a
corresponding login name string?
:===========================================================:
: Mike Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
: Systems Administrator (909) 787-2946 :
: Computer Science Department :
: University of California, Riverside :
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: 18 Feb 1999 01:14:12 -0800
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>>>>> "Bill" == Bill Blarg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Bill> Try Afterstep. Very nice and easy to configure. Same with
Joke?
Bill> windowmaker. Go to www.afterstep.org and
Well, at least there's documentation.
Actually, Window Maker is okay; but 3 of the last 4 times I've clicked
on `exit' to close it down, it's hung my machine & I've hard to reboot
the system. Enough is enough.
I need something more stable than that.
I wish I could find a w/m that is organized and simple to set up. I
don't particularly want to spend a week figuring it out. XFCE is the
closest I've found, though it has its own problems; I may go back to
it.
mp
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Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat's sick sense of humor (support)
Date: 18 Feb 1999 01:39:18 -0800
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>>>>> "Bill" == Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Bill> ]On 17 Feb 1999 15:14:06 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bill> (Kyler ]Laird) wrote:
Bill> ]>individual like me. I'd gladly pay >$30 (but <$995)
Bill> ]>right now just for someone to help me get through ]>the RH
Bill> installation for my notebook computer.
Bill> Actually I have found that I have gotten a very good support
Bill> package at a very reasonable price. It was called
Bill> Newsgroup. I posted my problems even in this very group and
Bill> lo and behold I got help Now it was not certain, and
Bill> sometimes I had to separate the wheat from some chaff, but
Bill> it worked.
I'd say the newsgroup is a reasonably good, but not great, place to
find answers to common questions and occasionally an uncommon
question. Unfortunately, you're unlikely to get an answer to a really
tough question. My overall success rate has probably been around 50%,
which means I'm pretty much SOL on a lot of stuff. And, in any event,
you have to willing to wait days for a correct answer.
Of course, matters would be helped if more people would at least make
an attempt to solve their own problems before coming here. That would
cut some of the chaff & make it possible to actually find the answers
posted to your questions.
mp
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Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GCC x EGCS
Date: 18 Feb 1999 01:48:17 -0800
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>>>>> "S��rgio" == S��rgio Vale e Pace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
S��rgio> Hi! I'm a little confused about this two guys, I mean
S��rgio> what is GCC, what is EGCS, what the difference between
S��rgio> then, should I use one? should I use another, should I use
S��rgio> both? As far as I know both are C/C++ compilers (I may
S��rgio> think in pascal and fortran too), but why two of then in
S��rgio> the GNU project. Thank's S��rgio
http://egcs.cygnus.com
mp
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Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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