Linux-Misc Digest #44, Volume #20 Mon, 3 May 99 18:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (NF Stevens)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Loren Petrich)
Re: msgfmt command (Eric Potter)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Re: Netscape 4.5 (claus stieghorst)
Extreme Linux CD ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Mac-emulation on Linux? ("FM")
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Chris Costello)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (NF Stevens)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)^ ("FM")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Matthias Warkus)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Andrew Carol)
Re: Linux's Last Chance (brian moore)
Re: SUID games? What is RedHat doing? (Barry Margolin)
Re: [SURVEY] Who has an internal modem in his linux box ? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Can linux damage my hardware? (Carl Fink)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Matthias Warkus)
lpr gives error message after installation of glibc-2.0.6 (Marc Scherer)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:50:14 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello) wrote:
[snip]
> Read the first article that started this whole mess of
>threads. The one beginning with "The GPL is a crock."
In case anyone can't find it I have copied the relevant
paragraph below.
> The GPL is a crock. It forces openness. That's not freedom.
>You like walking outside sometimes, I would bet. Would you like
>being *FORCED* to walk outside all the time? That's the key
>problem with the GPL and many recognize it.
GPL doesn't force opennes. In the above analogy I would say
that the GPL allows you to walk outside without the fear
of someone throwing a sack over your head and bundling you
into their proprietory building.
I have seen nothing from those who dislike the GPL except some
whining that they can't use GPL software in a proprietory product.
As someone else said it's free software not a free lunch.
Norman
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Crossposted-To: talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:50:06 GMT
In article <7gkt23$g3s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>there are countless examples of good and bad interfaces in the world. Linux
>applications in general are bad because the mechanism for making good
>interfaces is complicated.
Please be *SPECIFIC* about that.
>interface design and usability analysis have little to do with GUIs directly.
>MS has gotten good at it, though they occasionally blunder big time and still
>put out some stinkers.
M$ *good* at it? Hahahahaha.
I'd call Apple and NeXT the champions at building good user
interfaces. And guess where NeXT is now?
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Potter)
Subject: Re: msgfmt command
Date: 3 May 1999 16:40:21 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
James Chang enlightened this group thus:
> Hi there
> During compiling( make ), I met an error message " can not find msgfmt command
> in /bin/sh".
> Could anybody tell me how to get the file?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
It's in a gnu package called "gettext."
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 09:22:44 -0700
On Mon, 03 May 1999 15:24:07 GMT, Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Ed Avis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Right, so he doesn't think it's okay to spend money on defence, but
>>he's quite happy with granting copyright monopolies to software
>>companies. A strange position for somebody who claims that open
>>source leads to better software - in this case, there is *state
>>intervention* leading to *poorer software*! I would have thought that
>>any anarchist who 'wants to live in a world where software doesn't
>>suck' would be doubly opposed to such a system.
>
>I don't think this is a fair summary; you're ignoring too many secondary
>effects.
>
>Copyright never prevents someone from getting something they already had.
>The purpose of copyright is to encourage people who would otherwise make
>nothing to make *something*, and make it available at least under some terms.
>
>We have found that, in technical terms, there seem to be strong advantages
>to software released under very open terms. This doesn't mean the state
>is "intervening" to create "poorer software". We cannot accurately model
>the effects of the enforcement of copyright law; there are too many variables,
>and too many behaviors would change if copyright law changed.
>
>Copyright tends to come in monopolies on given products; that's okay, they
>can be replaced. Software patents are where the real risk comes.
That has not been true in practice, thus the current situation
in the market where the most viable 2nd competitor is a gratis
product. The commercial competitors have to survive and be
profitable while growing a userbase to counteract the negative
utility (real or otherwise) of not being the predominant product.
>
>I think this is a case where the "peaceful" revolution (leave the software
>hoarders alone) will be plenty effective.
You have a conflict between those who want to consume/get work done
and those who want to accumulate huge piles of cash. Eventually, the
greed of those who 'just want to get work done' will kick in.
This seems in large part is responsible for the proliferation of Linux
as a server. Management demands more of IT without giving the requistite
funding. Of course this puts the slower $800 OS is at a disadvantage.
[deletia]
--
Microsoft subjected the world to DOS until 1995. |||
A little spite is more than justified. / | \
In search of sane PPP Docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: claus stieghorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape 4.5
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 21:10:23 +0200
Steve McClay schrieb:
>
> Also is there a way I could have the graphical version of RPM managaer ? I
> have heard about it, but don't know what it's called. I had it under my
> previous Window Manager, but can't find it after I installed Windowmaker..
>
>
test glint (under any WindowManager) or kpackage at KDE.
CU claus
Thanks in advance,
> Steve.
>
> In article <01be9508$38f4d900$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "m" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It -should- be as easy as finding the rpm that came with RH5.2 and
> > "erasing" it...
> >
> > rpm -e netscape4.07.rpm or whatever it is... check the rpm man page for
> > more info on that.
> > If that doesn't work, you can just delete it from the HD (or overwrite it
> > with the 4.5 version [that what I did - I suppose that is less appealing]).
> >
> > Steve McClay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
> > <7giot7$n4c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > > Hello ppl, I just downloaded Netscape 4.5 for Linux 2 and installed it
> > > successfully in R.h 5.2. Now the problem is that I don't know how to
> > > uninstall Netscape 4.07(standard with R.H 5.2). I installed this
> > version(4.5)
> > > with the unix-script rather than the rpm file provided with the package.
> > Any
> > > help would be appreciated. Thanks, Steve.
> > >
> > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> > > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
> >
> > >
> >
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Extreme Linux CD
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:01:32 GMT
I've been struggling with the Extreme Linux CD (Red Hat & NASA) for three
months. I've been having serious problems with the NIC drivers included in
the package. I've also been under the assumption that these "special"
drivers were necessary for optimum performance of the cluster.
I'm ready to try the approach you describe, because The 3Com cards I'm using
have worked
beautifully with the regular Red Hat distribution as well as the Debian
distribution. Do you think
that I may be sacrificing performance by using the "regular" drivers? Will I
be able to take
advantage of "channel bonding" as described in the Extreme documentation?
Jim Brennan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Abate) wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:23:38 -0600, Glenn Butcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >We built a Beowulf at school a couple of quarters ago without Extreme.
> >
> >Matthew Simmons wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone know how to set up a Beowulf with extreme linux?
>
> Note that the Redhat Extreme Linux is quite out of date by now.
> You'd be better off just installing the latest version of your
> favorite Linux distribution and installing MPICH or PVM on top of
> that. There has been discussion of putting together a new
> version of Extreme Linux on the Beowulf mailing list, but that
> hasn't been done yet.
>
> -jason
>
> --
> ====================================================================
> Jason Abate [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ticam.utexas.edu/~abate
> Texas Institute for Computational and Applied Mathematics
> 304 SHC, University of Texas at Austin, Austin, TX 78712
> Work: 512-471-6947 Home: 512-912-1012 Fax: 512-471-8694
>
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From: "FM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Re: Mac-emulation on Linux?
Date: 3 May 1999 21:23:11 GMT
Andrew J. Brehm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm fairly sure that it will
> > be an improvement over Windows/MacOS, but I'm not even sure
> > if most Linux softwares are available for this setup (or if
> > it's generally source-level compatible).
>
> It is source level compatible. And most Linux software is available as
> source codes. However, some Linux software is only available as Intel
> (Star Office).
Is Netscape available? I've heard once that it's impossible
to build from sources obtained from mozilla.org.
> > I think my doubts stem mostly from my lack of knowledge
> > about the Macintosh systems, which I've used before but
> > never administered. Are these the only options I have
> > considering that I want to use Linux and remain compatible
> > with Mac at the same time? Any additional information
> > would be apprecited. Thanks in advance.
>
> Your only option would be to use a Mac.
What versions of Linux are available on Mac? I've heard of
MkLinux and LinuxPPC but not much else. Does LinuxPPC use
the same kernel as X86 versions? Are there X-compatible
free windowing systems available?
Thanks a lot.
Dan.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 21:44:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, NF Stevens wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 03 May 1999 05:00:39 +0000, Colin R. Day wrote:
> >>Chris Costello wrote:
> >
> >>It only forces openness if you use GPLed code. Or is someone
> >>holding a gun to your head to use such code? One might as well
> >>say that Microsoft forces one to obey the EULA.
> >
> >I think Mr Costello's point (given that he's a FreeBSD advocate)
> >is that both the MS EULA and the GPL are considerably more restrictive
> >than the FreeBSD-like licenses.
>
> Mr Costello's gripe is that people won't give him something
> for nothing.
This has certainly mutated far beyond what I meant. It still
stands. The GPL is too restrictive no matter how you argue it.
The many situations I've provided throughout this thread were
merely hypothetical. I would never be caught dead using the GPL
by my own choice. If I worked for a project that had bad code, I
would rewrite it on my own. As I fully understand the IRC
protocol, I would much quicker write my own system for
inter-office conferences that want to take advantage of the IRC
protocol if I needed to add proprietary extensions and sell it.
> Welcome to the real world Chris.
>
> Norman
--
Chris Costello
The best way to accelerate a Mac is at 9.8 m / sec^2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:50:16 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
>On Mon, 03 May 1999 05:00:39 +0000, Colin R. Day wrote:
>>Chris Costello wrote:
>
>>It only forces openness if you use GPLed code. Or is someone
>>holding a gun to your head to use such code? One might as well
>>say that Microsoft forces one to obey the EULA.
>
>I think Mr Costello's point (given that he's a FreeBSD advocate)
>is that both the MS EULA and the GPL are considerably more restrictive
>than the FreeBSD-like licenses.
Mr Costello's gripe is that people won't give him something
for nothing.
Welcome to the real world Chris.
Norman
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From: "FM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)^
Date: 3 May 1999 21:43:59 GMT
Bill Bonde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is it wrong to keep software proprietary?
If openness of software is one's object, yes.
GPL does protect what it's supposed to protect.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:47:34 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 03 May 1999 01:01:39 -0700...
..and Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[may Raymond and Perens duke it out some day?]
> The false notion that Raymond had threatened Perens with violence was
> first propagated by Perens in response to a statement from Raymond
> that Perens interpreted to mean that Raymond might shoot him. Perens
> subsequently retracted his interpretation of Raymond's statements and
> admitted he had misunderstood them. You guys really should pay more
> attention to what's going on ... even if it means less time spent
> gossipping about what you don't know.
I fully expect ESR to go completely nuts someday. Maybe it's not
Perens whom he'll shoot. We'll see.
mawa
--
"An Amiga a day keeps the Apples away"
-- David Jung, U. of Adelaide, S. Oz.
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 09:49:36 -0700
In article <oQjX2.2342$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Mikkelson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I never signed a contract recognizing my landlord's property claim,
> nor anyone else's for that matter. The fact that they need this
> government support tells me that what they do (have their name on
> a deed) must not be a very valuable service.
The fact that water purification plants need government support tells
me that what they do must not be a very valuable service.
Oh well....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux's Last Chance
Date: 3 May 1999 16:59:33 GMT
On Mon, 3 May 1999 16:26:39 +0100,
Dave Tansley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 4) Right, I'm nothing if not a glutton for punishment, so I decide that the
> kernel must have some thing that disagrees with my system. Mmmmm, smells
> like time for a kernel recompile folks. Reboot, reload with
> non-ms-dos-vmlinuz kernel and try to recompile the kernel. I run the usual
> config programs, run make dep etc, and try to compile the
> kernel.....Successful? Ahem...sure.
> For the first time ever, I get a segmentation fault about 5 minutes into
> compiling.....*sob*
You did read the sig11 faq, eh?
I would look into that before attempting to diagnose anything else: a
bad bit in RAM can do nasty nasty things, including everything you cite
here.
http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/
My work system (fresh from the factory at the time) used to randomly
crash in the wee hours of the night. A couple times it core dumped
while building the kernel. And then it often core dumped while
building the kernel. Then I knew why it had been crashing.
Replacing a SIMM fixed it and it's been fine ever since.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.security.unix
Subject: Re: SUID games? What is RedHat doing?
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 21:38:00 GMT
In article <7gkv95$8e3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Not true. Although vgalib might drop root priv., the program calling it
>does not have to.
Once vga_init drops root privileges, the process can't get them back
(assuming it drops them properly, using setreuid() with the appropriate
parameters so that the saved set-user-ID will be changed to the user's
uid).
> And it is each and every one of those programs,
>running as root, which are the danger. It is each and every one of those
>programs, long before and after it calls vga_lib which represents a
>possible point of attack.
The rules for initializing vgalib are very simple, so it shouldn't take a
programming genius to follow them, and it shouldn't be difficult to verify
that the programs have done so.
Since this is Linux we're talking about, the source code to these games
should be available. It should be a simple matter to examine these 6
programs and make sure that they're calling vga_init() properly.
--
Barry Margolin, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GTE Internetworking, Powered by BBN, Burlington, MA
*** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups.
Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: [SURVEY] Who has an internal modem in his linux box ?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 03 May 1999 17:38:52 -0400
Amit Chakradeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
> > David Guyon Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Is there any trouble or dissadvantage ?
> >
> > lack of blinkenlights.
> > lockin to one arch.
> > the joy of plug-and-play.
> > risk of software or `win'-modem.
> > can't toggle power without killing the whole computer.
> > hotswap is difficult at best.
> >
>
> How do you "hotswap" modems ???
unplug serial cable from modem1. plug it into modem2. granted, your
connexion will be lost, but there's no need to reboot.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: Can linux damage my hardware?
Date: 3 May 1999 19:26:22 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 3 May 1999 10:54:34 +0100 D. Vrabel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 3 May 1999, Carl Fink wrote:
>> It is theoretically possible to ruin your video card with X . . . but
>> I've never met anyone who actually did it. Certainly, if the same
>> settings had worked for six months, they wouldn't abruptly damage your
>> video card.
>It's the monitor you can damage (by driving it at too high a frequency)
>not the video card.
I knew that.
I still haven't heard of anyone actually doing it.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy."
-Martin Luther on Copernicus' theory that the Earth orbits the sun
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:46:00 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 02 May 1999 17:28:06 -0500...
..and Tesla Coil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2 May 1999 Matthias Warkus wrote of ESR:
>
> > I think it's dangerous to have this guy in a leading position
> > as a representant of the free software movement. Imagine what
> > the media could make of that -- anarcho-capitalist gun nuts
> > steering the bandwagon! Good heavens...
>
> Matthias! You know US politics better than that!
> Ronald Reagan got elected twice on that platform.
Yes. That's exactly what I fear. ESR becoming a media darling is just
as bad as the whole free software movement getting bad PR because of
him.
mawa
--
"An Amiga a day keeps the Apples away"
-- David Jung, U. of Adelaide, S. Oz.
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From: Marc Scherer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: lpr gives error message after installation of glibc-2.0.6
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:12:39 +0200
Hi,
I have installed glibc-2.0.6 from source following the instructions in
the Glibc2-Howto. Afterwards lpr gives the following message:
lpr: unable to get official name for local machine
It used to work fine before. I have rebuild lpr&Co. from source, which
doesn't help. I have then de-installed the new glibc and re-installed
the glibc1 that comes with the slakware distribution, that my system is
based on. But it still doesn't work.
If anyone has an idea what's wrong I'd be happy to hear about it (I
don't want to re-install my whole computer).
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