Linux-Misc Digest #75, Volume #20 Wed, 5 May 99 21:13:11 EDT
Contents:
There was no response. The server could be down or is not responding (behapy)
Re: The Best Linux distribution? (was Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: viewing Linux Xserver Xfree86 on NT ? ("Larry Brasfield")
Re: Tape backups w/ SCSI inteface in Linux (Bob Hauck)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Craig Dowell)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Marco
Anglesio)
Re: Problems compiling Kernel 2.2.7 (Paul Kimoto)
Re: linking c-code against libc5 on glibc2 systems (jason)
Re: Mac-emulation on Linux? (Steven G. Johnson)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Peter Seebach)
Re: ess sound card (Sid Boyce)
Re: The Best Linux distribution? (was Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux) (William Burrow)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Mac-emulation on Linux? (Clifford T. Matthews)
Re: Mac-emulation on Linux? (Clifford T. Matthews)
Re: Mac-emulation on Linux? (Louis Kowolowski)
Re: Mac-emulation on Linux? (Clifford T. Matthews)
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From: behapy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: There was no response. The server could be down or is not responding
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 23:35:08 +0900
Hi,
When I subscribe from windows client to Linux news server, "There was no
response. The server could be down or is not responding. If you are
unable to connect again later, contact the server's administrator."
appeared. What am I gonna do?
At the local loop-back server, "netscape's network connection was
refused by the server. The server may not be accepting connections or
may be busy. Try connecting again later." What am I gonna do?
I have been in trouble to run a news server for a month. But I'm not
giving up. Linux gurus, please help me.
Regards,
Jingun
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: The Best Linux distribution? (was Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux)
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:02:36 GMT
In article <7gpuiv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s (david parsons) wrote:
> No it isn't; it's following the logic that if the software ships
> with the system it goes into /usr/bin, leaving /usr/local for,
> umm, locally installed software.
Correct. Thanks for pointing that out.
Now.. why did it take me baiting you [and everyone else] with a troll post for
you to write that? Where were you when a previous poster was claiming that
FreeBSD installing software into /usr/local/bin was "wrong"?
:)
> And some don't. And some _don't even have the bpf_. What's your
> point? That tape recorders should be sold with the microphone
> disabled because they might be able to be used illegally?
Hey -- read the legal warnings. I didn't write them. If you can find the one
for an old version of SunOS, I think that went into more detail. There *are*
legal implications of installing the BPF, regardless of how much sense that
makes.
> Sheesh. You're giving c.u.b.f.m the charm and appeal
> of c.o.l.a on a slashdot day.
Oh, c'mon. The original thread topic is "FreeBSD vs. Linux". Anyone who
takes these things seriously stopped reading this long ago, except possibly
out of a sense of morbid curiousity. Vent some steam. Have some fun. Say
something so ridiculous that the lurkers feel *obligated* to step in. :)
-Bill Clark
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From: "Larry Brasfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: viewing Linux Xserver Xfree86 on NT ?
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:13:30 GMT
Arne B. Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:7gq4dm$f20$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> It is not possible to get another window manager to run since MiX already
> have one built in! You will find that information on MiX's homepage !
Guess what? It is possible! I've got KDE running
on my Linux box right now while connected to a
MiX server running on my NT box! As I stated
earlier, " I do 'startkde'."! Try it!
Here is what MicroImages actually says in their FAQ:
Q: Can I use a window manager other than twm with MI/X?
A: Yes, however twm is the window manager we support.
We can't tell you how to configure other window managers,
or even guarantee that they'll work.
--
--Larry Brasfield
Above opinions may be mine alone.
(Humans may reply at unundered [EMAIL PROTECTED] )
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From: Bob Hauck <b o b h @ w a s a t c h . c o m>
Subject: Re: Tape backups w/ SCSI inteface in Linux
Date: 05 May 1999 12:44:44 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I wasn't even aware that SCSI could be used for streaming media.
Works great here. Adaptec 2940UW on one machine and the on-board
version of that chip on another.
> My question is; will these backups typically work in Linux? I.e., can I
> use tar paramters > /dev/sdXXX?
Yes, and yes but that should be "tar parms > /dev/stxxx". I have an old
Archive 4 GB DAT and an HP 8 GB. Both work fine in Linux. I used to
have a DAT changer even, and that worked too with a special version of
"mt" to operate the changer.
> Any other recommendations and/or warnings concerning Linux backup
> hardware?
Go with scsi if possible. Everything else seems kludgey by comparison.
--
12:30:01 up 71 days, 1:51, 0 users, load average: 0.06, 0.04, 0.00
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:53:47 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthias Warkus
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Human greed will also encourage smart people to get together, package
> free software, add some value, sell it and make tons of money. Then
> they will find out that if they added feature XYZ people would give
> them even more money. *Then*, they'll find out they need to release
> the source for that feature if they want to add it. So they release
> the source, since they can still make lots of money on the stuff, and
> writing a proprietary clone would be troublesome.
I won't disagree. I think free software is a wonderful thing. I love
it. I just don't think it is the answer to everything, nor do I think
it will ever displace proprietary software in a general sense.
Slow and steady development favors free software (OS's, tools, servers,
etc). Rapid response to the market favors proprietary software
(Consumer applications, games, new markets, etc). There are _some_
things that a proprietary company can do faster and better. If they
are wrong, they will go out of business! (It's a self correcting
thing).
> Where'd you get the notion from that all free software is just cloned
> proprietary software, anyway?
Where did you get the notion that all proprietary software is too
expensive and will fade away?
This situation is very similar to the explaination of why Capitalism
was doomed to fail as society advanced into the more mature Communism
model. Same forces, same result.
The market economy will take the best of every model. Some things
people will expect free, others people will be willing to pay to get
_today_, rather than waiting a year to get a free version.
---- Andrew
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Dowell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: 5 May 1999 18:26:19 GMT
>>I define a free market economic system as one in which individuals, rather
>>than government, make most of the decisions about economic activities and
>>transactions. The government gets involved only to provide public goods
>>like defense, schools and police. Government also performs a regulatory
>>role in certain circumstances. The Government is more involved than I'd
>>prefer nowadays, but we certainly don't have a command economy.
>
>That definition does not necessarily lead to a desirable situation.
I think it's much more desirable than any other in use today. YMMV.
>My economics class was a long time ago and I've probably forgotten
>most of it, but IIRC there were many requirements in the ideal free
>market. Among other things, there must be no barriers to entry and
>exit and there should be a very large number of independent sellers
>and buyers. (Real free markets are rare in the world, most markets are
>monopolies and oligopolies).
I'm not referring to some ideal model. I was commenting on how a
reasonably free market has worked well for us in the U.S; much better
than other economic systems. I was making the point that in "markets"
where the government is more involved (public schools, defense, etc.)
the situation degrades my many measures. In gray areas, where the
government insinuates itself by varying degrees of regulation, the
situation seems worse the more deeply involved the government gets.
In my experience, and the experience of zillions (precise scientific term)
of other people, the freer the market, the better off we are; the more
government involvement, the more screwed we are.
Not rocket science.
>In THAT kind of free market, government intervention may do more harm
>than good. An "invisible hand" regulates the price. I wouldn't go into
>the detailed explanation as to why this is so. I can't say I remember
>the arguments clearly, but there was a clear line of reasoning. It
>certainly is more than the simple faith in the statement that a "free
>market = good" and "govt regulation = bad".
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say any more. Are you agreeing
or disagreeing with me?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:20:01 GMT
On 05 May 1999 14:51:43 -0700, Mike Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio) writes:
>> On the contrary; the government's big-money development has created
>> considerable benefits. The US has near-universal literacy, for example;
>> you wouldn't have that (and hence wouldn't have a modern industrial
>> economy, much less be moving into the information age) without public
>> schools and public universities.
>
>That's pure speculation. "The government did X. Therefore, if the
>government hadn't done X, it wouldn't have been done." It's quite
>possible that private initiatives might have done it better.
What incentive is there for private initiatives to promote literacy on a
large enough scale?
More to the point: private initiatives (individuals, organizations, or
religions) have never produced anything close to universal literacy, even
when their goal is to advance literacy. It takes quite a bit of time and
money with a very uncertain return to produce a well-eduated (or even
marginally educated) 18 year old.
>Maybe. Or maybe instead of a defunct space program that burned out
>after 12 years we would have a sustained presense in space. Who
>knows?
You're putting a lot of faith in bare possibilities. It's possible.
However, if you have a situation where you have one option which might
work, and one which has worked, which do you choose?
I'll borrow a metaphor from Bruce Schneier. If you went to the
doctor, and he, instead of using a well-established and effective
treatment, proposed to treat you with taco powder, would you be too keen
on the possibility that yes, taco powder might work too?
m.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Problems compiling Kernel 2.2.7
Date: 5 May 1999 14:17:18 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sellaro wrote:
> checksum.c:204: redefinition of 'csum_partial_copy'
> checksum.c:109: 'csum_partial_copy' previously defined here
> {standard input}: Assembler messages:
> {standard input}:185: Fatal error: Symbol csum_partial_copy already
> defined.
Did you know that this is a frequently asked question whose answer
can be readily found through http://www.dejanews.com/ ?
There is no (ix86) checksum.c file in the 2.2 kernel series. It must
be left over from some old kernel source. Delete it.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linking c-code against libc5 on glibc2 systems
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:54:13 -0400
Check out:
http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/Glibc2-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.3
-jason
(to reply via email, make the appropriate substitution in my email address)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steven G. Johnson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Re: Mac-emulation on Linux?
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 19:31:53 -0400
"FM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just another related question. Do all macs have one
> mouse button or is it that it's so common that I've
> never encountered a mac with multiple mouse buttons.
Apple only ships mice with single buttons, but you can buy multiple-button
mice from third-party vendors. (e.g. Kensington sells nice three and four
button mice and trackballs for Macs. I haven't tried it myself, but
various people on comp.os.linux.powerpc have reported getting the extra
buttons to work under LinuxPPC. Alternatively, if you have one of the
newer Macs with USB, reportedly the Linux USB drivers support
multiple-button mice automatically.)
Steven
PS. I'm directing followups to comp.os.linux.powerpc, as the crossposted
newsgroups are clearly no longer relevant to this discussion.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:45:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Marco Anglesio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What incentive is there for private initiatives to promote literacy on a
>large enough scale?
Well, there's two questions:
1. Do you believe the people who claim the U.S. has <50% literacy, or the
people who claim it has nearly total literacy?
2. Do companies generally find that they are better off if the general
populace is literate?
>More to the point: private initiatives (individuals, organizations, or
>religions) have never produced anything close to universal literacy, even
>when their goal is to advance literacy. It takes quite a bit of time and
>money with a very uncertain return to produce a well-eduated (or even
>marginally educated) 18 year old.
On the other hand, public initiatives never achieved it until very recently,
either. I see no evidence that this century wouldn't have brought literacy to
a lot of people, no matter who did it.
>You're putting a lot of faith in bare possibilities. It's possible.
>However, if you have a situation where you have one option which might
>work, and one which has worked, which do you choose?
Depends on how badly I feel the existing one works. If I think it's
sufficiently inefficient, yes, I'll try something that just *might* work.
Case in point: For most people, Windows works. They're not sure Linux
will work. Enough of them try it to matter.
>I'll borrow a metaphor from Bruce Schneier. If you went to the
>doctor, and he, instead of using a well-established and effective
>treatment, proposed to treat you with taco powder, would you be too keen
>on the possibility that yes, taco powder might work too?
Depends. If we'd tried the well-established treatment, and it mostly
worked, but had horrible side effects, and cost many thousands of dollars a
month, and there was prior art for taco powder curing similar ailments, why,
yes, I would try it.
Private entities have provided public goods before, and will do so in the
future. When they do it, they do a better job than governments.
Quick show of hands: Which has done more to stop spam, Murkowski's proposed
bill, or Paul Vixie's RBL? Okay, now, how much *more* spam would we have
if Murkowski's bill had become a law? A lot.
-s
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Copyright 1999, All rights reserved. Peter Seebach / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
C/Unix wizard, Pro-commerce radical, Spam fighter. Boycott Spamazon!
Will work for interesting hardware. http://www.plethora.net/~seebs/
Visit my new ISP <URL:http://www.plethora.net/> --- More Net, Less Spam!
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From: Sid Boyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ess sound card
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:34:50 -0400
John Garrison wrote:
>
> I have an ess 1868 audiodrive. I have used sndconfig to set it up
> properly, but sound does still not work. (it does work for CD audio
> though, just not in programs)
> Any suggestions? This card appears to be supported by Linux, am I doing
> something wrong?
I have had one up and working for about 3 years now with the kernel OSS
and at times the OSS one. Lately I have been using the ALSA driver, cat
/proc/ioports ..
0213-0213 : ISA PnP read
0220-022f : ES18xx
0330-0331 : ES18xx - MPU-401
0800-0807 : ES18xx - CTRL
0a79-0a79 : ISA PnP write
Regards
--
... Sid Boyce...Amdahl(Europe)...44-121 422 0375
Any opinions expressed above are mine and do not necessarily represent
the opinions or policies of Amdahl Corporation.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: The Best Linux distribution? (was Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux)
Date: 6 May 1999 00:00:18 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 05 May 1999 21:47:49 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In any event, I really don't care much about the legality of the BPF. I was
>just making a point. I just wish I could remember what it was.
I believe you were being a raving evangelical lunatic, scaring as many
people in a Linux group from having anything to do with FreeBSD and its
camp as possible. ;)
--
William Burrow
Copyright 1999 William Burrow
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:34:29 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 05 May 1999 07:30:21 -0700...
..and Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Not in this instance. The pool of available liberated
> > source will only grow, not shrink. Human greed being
> > what it is will always encourage people to seek out
> > something for less or even something for nothing.
>
> Very true. Human greed will also encourage smart people to get
> together and develop really hot and cool programs and beat everybody to
> the market and make tons of money. Then they will find that if they
> add feature XYZ people will give them even more money. Other people
> will see their success and do the same. This happened in the 70's,
> 80's, 90's, and will forever. The free software market is growing, but
> so is the proprietary software market.
Human greed will also encourage smart people to get together, package
free software, add some value, sell it and make tons of money. Then
they will find out that if they added feature XYZ people would give
them even more money. *Then*, they'll find out they need to release
the source for that feature if they want to add it. So they release
the source, since they can still make lots of money on the stuff, and
writing a proprietary clone would be troublesome.
Why do you think SuSE develop X servers and such?
The bigger the free software cosmos gets, the more code is attracted
to it in this way. As an article about GPL vs. LGPL on www.gnu.org
said, there has been at least one application which changed its
licence to GPL in order to use GNU Readline.
This kind of thing will happen more and more often. The key point is
that even if you release your software for free, you can still make
money off it, and the more free software comes out, the easier it
becomes.
I wonder when the free software cosmos is going to reach critical
mass, becoming bound to attracting all new software... maybe it'll
never happen. Maybe parallel universes will be established. But as of
today, it looks like the `foot in the door' that free software has
represented so far is pushing the doorly slowly open again. Wide open.
[schnibble]
Where'd you get the notion from that all free software is just cloned
proprietary software, anyway?
mawa
--
Stretch.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clifford T. Matthews)
Subject: Re: Mac-emulation on Linux?
Date: 05 May 1999 14:15:22 -0600
>>>>> "Andrew" == Andrew J Brehm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Andrew> FM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 1. Just buy a X86 machine and install Linux on it (if not
>> preinstalled). Get some Mac-emulation software if necessary.
Andrew> Whatever you do, you won't be able to emulate a PowerPC and
Andrew> thus can only run old MacOS software. I presume the software
Andrew> you were refering to (college stuff) is rather new.
New software can often still be compiled for the 680x0 line. Some
developers do; some don't.
Since the 68040 topped out at 33 MHz (?), it's easy for a developer to
decide to not release 680x0 versions of his software if a beefier CPU
is needed. But an entry-level PC (300 MHz) running Executor can do
CPU-intensive work at the speed of a hypothetical 100 MHz 68040, so
we'll be encouraging developers to continue compiling for 680x0.
We do plan to emulate PowerPC, but I don't recommend Andrew take that
into consideration, since it's unlikely we'll have a bullet-proof
PowerPC emulator up by his first day of classes. My guess is that it
will be faster to emulate 680x0 code on the x86 than to emulate
PowerPC on the x86, but that's speculation, not benchmarks.
Cliff Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Founder,
ARDI
<http://www.ardi.com/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clifford T. Matthews)
Subject: Re: Mac-emulation on Linux?
Date: 05 May 1999 14:44:15 -0600
>>>>> "FM" == FM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
FM> Clifford T. Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dan> I will attend a college this fall that is predominantly
Dan> Mac-oriented.
>> Which college?
FM> Dartmouth College.
Makes sense. As far as I know we don't have any contacts within
Dartmouth, but we have a new employee starting next Tuesday, and I'll
see if she can make some.
Dan> While they state that Unix and Windows are supported by the
Dan> campus network, it seems that a Macintosh- compatible system
Dan> might be necessary to fully take advantage of the system. For
Dan> example, many softwares are written for Macintosh by the
Dan> faculty,
>> How much information about the custom-apps can you find out
>> between now and when you have to make your decision? We'd love to
>> help you out, but we'll need details (please send me e-mail).
FM> In fact I won't find any information about the custom apps. It
FM> seems that Blitzmail, the email app for Dartmouth network is
FM> available for Unix/Linux at least in partial functionality, but
FM> the letter seems to note that professors might write custom apps
FM> for their classes.
I'll see what we can dig up over here. As others have pointed out,
Executor has plenty of limitations, including the inability to emulate
PowerPC.
If the people writing the custom code are interested in getting their
code to run using our technology, then PowerPC issues are probably not
going to be a problem, since most code can be compiled for 680x0
fairly easily.
I believe our AppleEvents support may prevent the latest
PowerPlant-using 680x0 binaries from running, although fixing that
will be a high priority after Linux Expo. It shouldn't be hard to do,
but we'd rather polish our Quicken promo first.
>> ARDI <http://www.ardi.com/> makes Executor, the only software that
>> allows you to run Macintosh software on non-Macintosh computers
>> without obtaining anything from Apple.
FM> I'll have to look into this possibility. Thanks for the
FM> information.
You're welcome.
I'm biased, but we're honest.
FM> Dan.
I'm cc'ing this to you via e-mail, because as we move from
Mac-emulation in general, to emulating enough so specific Dartmouth
apps run, it's probably more appropraite for e-mail.
Regards,
Cliff Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Founder
ARDI
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From: Louis Kowolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Re: Mac-emulation on Linux?
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:39:31 -0700
FM wrote:
> Just another related question. Do all macs have one
> mouse button or is it that it's so common that I've
> never encountered a mac with multiple mouse buttons.
> I'm quite used to 3-button Logitech mice that I
> find many 2-button mice very limiting and wonder if
> I could make use of multiple-button mice on a mac?
> If there are some available (which I assume), does
> the X windows (and window managers/desktop
> environments) make use of the extra buttons? How
> does it behave without the extra buttons?
I'm using a turbomouse 5, and XFree recognized it right away as a 3
button mouse (havent' had the need to go and figure out how to get the
fourth).
if you only have one button, you have to use 3-button emulation, so
probably something like alt-2 alt-3 for the respective buttons...
L
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clifford T. Matthews)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Mac-emulation on Linux?
Date: 05 May 1999 14:25:53 -0600
>>>>> "Steven" == Steven G Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Steven> Shimpei Yamashita
Steven> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Also, I'm not sure if Executor is capable of becoming an
>> AppleShare client. I am not aware of any other Linux software that
>> has this capability, either. (CAP and Netatalk can do AppleShare
>> *servers*, but not clients.) If not, and your school has an
>> extensive network of AppleShare servers, then you could be
>> seriously inconvenienced trying to get files from those servers.
Steven> There is free Linux software called afpfs which allows a
Steven> Linux machine to be an AppleShare client. You can find a
Steven> copy at the Netatalk HOWTO page
Steven> (http://thehamptons.com/anders/netatalk/), which also has a
Steven> mailing list and other useful information.
Our goal for Executor/Linux is to use (and contribute to) the free
Macintosh media/network access methods that are out there. That
includes making Executor interact more nicely with Paul Hargrove's HFS
implementation (we provided Paul with some non-documented
information), netatalk and with afpfs. Technically this will be done
by making our AppleDouble implementation understand the changes from
AppleDouble and the limitations of AppleDouble implementation that
those other tools require.
I don't yet have a time-frame for all of this, because even though I'm
personally a big Linux fan, our Linux work is still subsidized by our
Win32 revenues. I'm trying hard to change this, by making
Executor/Linux more attractive, by making Linux a target for
Carbonless Copies and by finding some Linux-specific investment.
Cliff Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Founder,
ARDI
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