Linux-Misc Digest #75, Volume #21 Sun, 18 Jul 99 20:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: newbie: 'ls' scrolls past top of screen (mike murray)
Re: URGENT HELP! My linux box has gone wild! (kinthalas)
Re: mt-st and DLT4000 tape drive (-ljl-)
Re: CIA assassinations (Jim Richardson)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Chris Lee)
Re: mt-st and DLT4000 tape drive (-ljl-)
Re: Slackware install on notebook ("Noah Roberts (jik-)")
Re: Is there a variant of telnetd which logs in users? (Eric Veldhuyzen)
Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux? (Steve Lamb)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? ("Jeramy Smith")
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux? (Terrapin)
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From: mike murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie: 'ls' scrolls past top of screen
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 18:12:16 -0500
use " ls -l |less" that is ls minus symbol pipe less Adding the pipe
then less with any command will
get it to you 1 screenful first then you can down arrow or enter for
more
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From: kinthalas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: URGENT HELP! My linux box has gone wild!
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 18:54:52 -0400
Marc Mutz wrote:
>
> Frank Conte wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> > Something's typing silly, senseless commands
> > keep appearing at the prompt. Could it be that I improperly shut down
> > the machine earlier?
> >
> Maybe you have cat'ed binary data to your terminal? If so, using another
> xterm/VTC will do and you can work with that. If it is like the error I
> posted some time ago here where all VTC's were corrupted such that some
> chars were just vertical lines 1 pixel wide, then I'm afraid rebooting
> will be the only way. But it will work under X just fine...
Couldn't you also just use the 'reset' command to fix the binary
characters used as real characters problem, and 'setfont' to fix most
other bizarre console font problems (like those caused by SVGAlib
programs doing weird things to the display after exiting)?
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From: -ljl- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mt-st and DLT4000 tape drive
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:27:19 GMT
In article <7mqafo$ei6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
-ljl- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <7mpvjr$bf1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Thanks for the hints, but still no joy.
>> 1) The PowerStor L200 does not have a button to change the density
>> 2) setdensity does not seems to change the density of the tape
>> (or, at least, mt status reports the same value before and after
>> the setdensity command)
>> 3) mt status reports density code 0xf0 (unknown), and I am able
>> to write only 20 GB.
>> 4) When I was able to write 35 GB the density code was 0x1a.
...
> With Kai's "mt-st" package there is a utility program "stinit".
> It resides in "/etc" on my installation.
Oops, "stinit" is located in "/usr/local/bin" its data file is in
"/etc", i.e. "/etc/stinit.def".
> Also, you can turn
> DEBUG on in "/usr/src/drivers/scsi/st.c", see the comment therein.
> This reports a lot of stuff that might help resolve your problem.
On my distribution compression is turned off in "st.c", I turned it
on (default). Check out mt's man-page, think something like
"mt stoptions" can turn it on; but if you're using st as a module
it will auto-clean and you will have to turn it back on. Also, I
believe, this option can be set by running "stinit". Look in
"/etc/stinit.def".
Sorry for the Oops, or any new ones; my Linux-box is 10 mile away.
--
Louis-ljl-{ Louis J. LaBash, Jr. }
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 00:14:33 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 17 Jul 1999 09:39:14 GMT,
Richard Kulisz, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>No. As long as monopoly does not have backing of government,
>>it falls apart in finite time due to internal contradicting interests.
>
>Right. The "finite" time might just be two thousand years but as
>long as it breaks down *sometime* then everyone in the here and
>now should be perfectly happy.
>
>>No market reaches monopoly status. Game called Prisoner's Dilemma
>>guarantees breakdown of cartel. If it is more profitable to "betray"
>
>This must be why cartels just keep going on and on and on and on
>with no sign of betrayal whatsoever. What a load of crap. Just by
>your choice of words ("cartel") you exclude all the unofficial and
>unconscious agreements that lead to price manipulation.
what mythical cartel has this energizer bunny_keeps_going_and_going_thing?
OPEC nah, they are a paper tiger, took about 15 years for that to
be obvious to eveyone and their pet spanial. The only cartels or
monops which are still going, seem to be the ones with the backing
of the releven government. (tobacco and peanuts for one, in the US.
others elsewhere.) You could include the cocaine cartels, but given the
support the US govt gives to them, it would be further proof of my
stance.
>
>>for bigger short term profit than upkeep "loyalty" in long term
>>for moderate profit, the game will be betrayed. That's how price
>
>For moderate profit *for EVER* or short-term profit then self-implosion.
>
You really don't understand the prisoners dilemma, do you? the point is
if the cartel members could trust each other, fully trust, then it might
work as you claim. But each one knows that the others can gain more by
stabbing him in the back (see Iran, Iraq in OPEC for one example) at
any moment, eventually, someone does.
>>wars begin for example.
>
>Geez, and have you noticed that everyone considers price wars
>a *bad* thing and that truces are called as quickly as possible?
>Free market ideology calls for *constant* price wars; in fact,
>that's exactly what a free market is, a state of perpetual war.
yes, and price wars are a _good_ thing. Why you claim that every one
thinks they are a bad thing is beyond me, people comparison shop
all the time, search out the best bargains, and exclaim with glee
when some business offers to "beat any advertised price" It's one
of the reasons you can get a decent PC for $300 now, new. price wars...
>
>>OPEC countries had hold their monopoly for nearly 15 years. Milton
>>Friedman had said at end of that period that maybe OPEC managed to put
>>together effective cartel. Six months later, OPEC flopped. There are
>>no permanent cartels, unless, and that's a big one, it has protection
>>of government controlling the whole market.
>
>Oh, yeah, because 15 fucking years might as well be no time at all!
OPEC was at the upper end of the bell curve for the longevity of large
cartels.
>
>Btw: OPEC is a Good Thing, but it never was very effective.
why was it a good thing? or is this simply another wild claim?
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 18 Jul 1999 23:28:00 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>John Chandler writes:
>>
>> I'm not sure about user figures for BSD over Linux, except that it is
>> growing - Linux is likely to have overtaken BSD by a wide margin
>> within the last year or two though. However, there are quite a large
>> proportion of servers on the web using a BSD in preference to Linux,
>> Solaris or NT.
>>
>
>Yea, deja.com uses a 180, or so, box Linux cluster. Yahoo! is a PC BSD
>shop, as is best.com, and, if I am not mistaken, hotmail.com uses, (or
>did use,) a BSD front end.
>
>Maybe Linux vs. BSD is a Ford vs. Chevy argument.
With the Amiga being the Yugo....
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From: -ljl- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mt-st and DLT4000 tape drive
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:27:45 GMT
In article <7mqafo$ei6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
-ljl- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <7mpvjr$bf1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Thanks for the hints, but still no joy.
>> 1) The PowerStor L200 does not have a button to change the density
>> 2) setdensity does not seems to change the density of the tape
>> (or, at least, mt status reports the same value before and after
>> the setdensity command)
>> 3) mt status reports density code 0xf0 (unknown), and I am able
>> to write only 20 GB.
>> 4) When I was able to write 35 GB the density code was 0x1a.
...
> With Kai's "mt-st" package there is a utility program "stinit".
> It resides in "/etc" on my installation.
Oops, "stinit" is located in "/usr/local/bin" its data file is in
"/etc", i.e. "/etc/stinit.def".
> Also, you can turn
> DEBUG on in "/usr/src/drivers/scsi/st.c", see the comment therein.
> This reports a lot of stuff that might help resolve your problem.
On my distribution compression is turned off in "st.c", I turned it
on (default). Check out mt's man-page, think something like
"mt stoptions" can turn it on; but if you're using st as a module
it will auto-clean and you will have to turn it back on. Also, I
believe, this option can be set by running "stinit". Look in
"/etc/stinit.def".
Sorry for the Oops, or any new ones; my Linux-box is 10 miles away.
--
Louis-ljl-{ Louis J. LaBash, Jr. }
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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Subject: Re: Slackware install on notebook
From: "Noah Roberts (jik-)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 18 Jul 1999 15:49:01 -0700
"Smed Brookwater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Folks:
>
> I have been trying hard to install slack on a notebook computer.
> Specs:
> Pentium 100
> 16MB RAM
> 750MB hard disk
> PCMCIA modem
> 1 floppy
> No CDROM
>
> I cant get through the install via floppy.
> I load slack 3.6 boot and root and I can even get pkgtool to install some
> packages but I can't get the base system { disk set A1} to load. Keep
> getting error messages like
> " reset: not found" ... while loading A1.
> Could it be the diskettes I'm using {they are very old and have been
> recycled many times}
I would bet its the disks.
> or does this indicate some other sort of problem.
> Also....how far do I have to go before I can set up PPP and dial in to
> finish the install via FTP????
a and n.
> Any help would be great! I have trying to ustilize this notebook for a
> while now.
> Please e-mail any respnses to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Thanks
>
> smed
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From: Eric Veldhuyzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is there a variant of telnetd which logs in users?
Date: 18 Jul 1999 17:34:19 +0200
Bernie writes:
> I should have clairified, I need the user to be logged in and
> presented with a menu, with no username or password prompts. This
> is a dial-up connection through a RAS server and firewall, so they
> will have already been authenticated.
And the username is important? And the ipnumbers are dynamic? In that
case your (menu) program will have to ask the Firewall or some other
server to figure out who wants to login.
There isn't much choice, either a username/password prompt or your
program should ask some authentication server who it is that is
knocking on its door. Or your program should be telepathic...
--
#!perl # Life ain't fair, but root passwords help.
# Eric Veldhuyzen http://www.terra.nu/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux?
Date: 18 Jul 1999 23:36:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:49:11 GMT, Terrapin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>(Posted from Mandrake with wine running Forte Agent)
I have to ask. *WHY!?!?!?* SLRN, man! Learn it. Love it. LIVE IT! :)
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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From: "Jeramy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 18:55:54 -0500
Watch out, we might see a BSD vs Linux flame war break out in an AMIGA
nesgroup. I think thats a sign of the end.
BSD is a great rock solid OS but suffers from one bad thing. The name. BSD
sounds like either a sexually transmitted disease or a bowel movement. Linux
fans usually like BSD and all but can't quite place why they do not run it.
My guess is that the name alone is the cuase: Bee-Ess-Dee. PLease don't
flame me for this, I'm being honest and not sarcastic. At work, I'm begging
them to use a BSD based ftp server instead of our Linux 2.0 one.
Actually, Linux people seem to always want to be on the bleeding edge and
run the most untested code there is. Most Linux developed programs make into
the BSD camps after they work. Linuux seems to be the development OS for
most other POSIX complaint OSs.
--
Cheers,
Jeramy B Smith
BS, AAS, MCSE, MCP+I
www.corplinux.com
John Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Someone told me the other day that BSD was loosing support (or rather,
> > that there was no-one supporting it as far as upgrades, bug fixes,
>
> That's different from what I hear on the NetBSD lists. They're roaring
> through updates at the moment, and the quantity/quality of supported
> systems is increasing nicely.
>
> > etc.). I have seen commercial packaging of Linux distributions, but
> > have not so far seen any BSD implementations advertised.
>
> Unlike the Linux distributions, the BSD ones tend to come from a
> single source and then released by anyone who wants to package them in
> a more convenient form (i.e. the Gateway CD-ROM). I've never seen a
> commercial BSD package. They aren't the bolt-and-build affairs
> (excuse the term, it was the best I could think of) of Linux.
>
> The Linux distros seem to be more varied in terms of quality,
> quantity, included software and support. About the closest you get to
> the Linux world in BSD is whether you choose NetBSD, OpenBSD or
> FreeBSD.
>
> As for support, I think the BSDs are stronger than ever at the moment
> - Linux has kinda opened up the idea of using a free OS, and thus
> there's a nice knock-on effect for non-Linux freenix systems.
>
> The main line with the BSDs as far as I can tell, for software
> support, is that developers are encouraged to concentrate on writing
> for Linux as the software can then be used on a BSD system (either via
> recompilation or binary emulation - after all, it has been claimed
> that NetBSD can run Linux binaries faster than Linux). The developer
> can then decide at a later stage to develop more BSD-specific versions
> if it makes sense to do so. The Linux version of Quake on FreeBSD
> using emulation is supposed to be pretty phenomenal in terms of
> performance.
>
> > Someone else here said that BSD currently has a greater following than
> > Linux, and that the TCP/IP stack problems in Linux are bugs which the
> > Linux community is loathe to admit.
>
> I'm not sure about user figures for BSD over Linux, except that it is
> growing - Linux is likely to have overtaken BSD by a wide margin
> within the last year or two though. However, there are quite a large
> proportion of servers on the web using a BSD in preference to Linux,
> Solaris or NT.
>
>
>
> John
>
> --
> | // John Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
> | \X/ Amiga A4000/030 + PACE 56k [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
> | MetalJoe's Dungeon : http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/1076/ |
> | Connected via Wirenet - the UK's first Amiga only Internet provider |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:01:55 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 18 Jul 1999 13:39:35 GMT...
..and Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <7mse68$6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz) writes:
>
> > Socialism is based on cooperation and democracy while capitalism
> > is based on competition (ie, War) and dictatorship. You can't run
> > the world on destruction alone but you sure as bloody hell *can*
> > run it on construction alone! The same applies to honesty vs. lies
> > in moral philosophy. The situation is *not* symmetric.
> >
> > So while it's obvious that Libertarians are full of shit and idiots
> > besides, the Marxists have hit upon a fundamental principle of nature.
> Harumph. The natural world *does* run on competition, rather
> than on cooperation: competition for food and living space,
> both inter and intra species.
> When left alone, nature weeds out the weaker, and the stronger
> get to procreate.
Men are not animals. Nature doing something in a certain way does not
imply that mankind should do it the same way; often it implies that
one should indeed do it the opposite way.
> Humankind in the last few centuries is an a-typical species, as
> it seems to evolve towards favouring the weaker elements, and
> has reduced the procreative advantage of the stronger elements.
>
> Getting people to cooperate is *difficult*, because by nature we're
> competitive. Humans need to be compelled to cooperate. This
> can be done (unsuccessfully) through force, (successfully) by
> creating/finding a common enemy, or (often successfully) by
> a social structure that allows people to pursue their own
> goals while contributing to "the common good".
> A small example: people who want to exert power over
> others should be capable of doing so, but in controlled
> conditions (the typical, corrupt european politician is
> vastly to be preferred over the absolute monarch).
>
> Anybody basing their concept of society on the false
> assumption that humans are by nature cooperative is
> living in cloud-cuckoo land.
A concept on society should never be based on any assumptions about
human nature, but rather be flexible so as to adapt to all the
surprising quirks human nature can show.
mawa
--
Level 5 - Session Layer
User has compiled a kernel, and it works with all his/her hardware.
User has downloaded packages and installed them. User occasionally
helps newbies on the newsgroups. -- Cliff Pratt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terrapin)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux?
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:49:11 GMT
On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:07:35 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Monte Phillips)
wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:15:56 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(William Wueppelmann) wrote:
>>One of the main points missed by Windows users when using Linux is that the
>>notion of an application in the Unix world is very different that that in
>>the Windows world. The reason you won't find a lot of monolithic,
>>one-size-fits-all(-poorly) applicatins for Linux is because the Unix world
>>got along quite well with its own method of solving problems.
>
>The UNIX world was never a player in desktop publishing, heavy
>graphics etc. Consequently it developed NO suitable applications for
>that, in fact generally the machines that Unix runs on are totally
>unsuited to that.
Back in the late 70's and early 80's, UNIX was the ONLY platform for
some very intense graphics in CAD/CAM. (Back in those days of
expensive core memory and poor CRT's, the displays were vectored.)
The first desktop publishing programs c/w with the use of a three
button mouse came in the mid 70's and was also based on UNIX.
It was only the advent of cheaper hardware that allowed these ideas to
be brought into the home and mass marketing took over.
I think what we are seeing with Linux today, is a return to it's deep
roots in data manipulation, graphics and extreme versatility. What was
needed was someone to package these tools (just as Gates did) and make
them available to be more readily usable by the end user.
The current problems with hardware are nothing new if you've been
around computers since the 60's. Windows has an edge now because the
manufacturers do all the work just so they can get the Windows logo on
their box (remember Windows 1/2/3?) Maybe we will start to see "Tux"
in the not so distant future.
(Posted from Mandrake with wine running Forte Agent)
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