Linux-Misc Digest #75, Volume #26 Wed, 18 Oct 00 20:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: What is a good graphical mail client? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (2:1)
Re: Which Linux distro most 'generic' *nix ? (Reinier Post)
Deadly crash with SuSE 7.0 if screen saver enabled. (Michel Catudal)
IPmasq, cable modem and intranet 100mb fail ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Robert Heller)
Re: Need Sound Advice, please. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
YES YES YES GD IT! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: StarOffice or Applixware (Douglas S. Oliver)
Re: Bizarre shell problem. =?iso-8859-1?Q?PROBLEM=A0SOLVED=2E?= THANXS (Servet Ahmet
Cizmeli)
Re: file is *really* tough to delete (Monte Milanuk)
Re: Pine and Pop3? (Bob Hauck)
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Crossposted-To: linux.debian.user,linux.debian.www
Subject: Re: What is a good graphical mail client?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:05:52 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hugh Lawson) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
> >i like gnus. it can do pop3 fetching and it can do its own smtp
> >sending. you are correct; it isn't easily configured.
>
> Thanks for the overview, Johan. I'm pulling out one snippet just for a
> question. Does this mean that gnus, configured properly, needs no
> fetchmail and no sendmail (or sendmail-like) programs? That it can pick
> up its own mail from an isp, and send it out as the netscape mail program
> seems to to?? (please correct any misunderstandings I have embedded in
> this question..)
yes. at work i let gnus do the sending. i haven't tried the pop3
fetching, but i reckon it works.
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J o h a n K u l l s t a m
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Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:07:07 +0100
2:1 wrote:
>
> Brian Moore wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ....
> > >
> > >
> > >TeX was never just a typesetting tool. It was designed to allow high
> > >level, content orientated languages (it says so in the TeX Book).
> > >
> > >I haven't seen a word processor that gives the power and output quality
> > >of TeX. They are still too orientated to letting the user, not the
> > >program do the typesetting.
> > >
> > >There are very good content management facilities in LaTeX.
> > >
> > >-Ed
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > On the other hand, if you are using LaTeX, and for whatever reason
> > need to make just a small change in the appearance of
> > the document after the typesetting has occurred, it can be
> > infuriating. After digging into Lamport to find the relevant
> > part, it might tell you something like "you shouldn't want to
> > do that."
>
> If you change the document, you have to rerun latex (ie re-typeset it).
> If I want to fore some low level changes, you could always refer to the
> TeX book. It's free to download from the CTAN (comprehensive tex archive
> network).
>
> -Ed
Forget that. You're not meant to TeX it, so it doesn't work. It's for
example only.
-Ed
> --
> Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
> binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
> first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
> commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Reinier Post)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: Which Linux distro most 'generic' *nix ?
Date: 18 Oct 2000 22:44:00 GMT
"J.H.Delaney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi there.
>
>Since a few months I have to work with a commercial *nix version at work, so
>it seemed like a good idea to install linux at my system at home, just as a
>learning experience. But after having tried out a few distro's, namely
>RedHat and SuSe, it seems to me like every linux distro is trying very hard
>to set itself apart from every other distro by doing almost everything there
>own way and including a lot of distro specific add-ons, and including a lot
>of stuff that is not commonly found on commercial unices.
In doing this, they are not any different from commercial Unices.
Some commercial Unix vendors (Sun, Digital, HP, ...) have agreed on
supporting an official, certified, standard Unix, but the standard
is just a subset of their features and most of it is present in Linux
as well.
If you want to learn Solaris, get yourself a Solaris account, for instance,
by installing Solaris on your PC. The list of differences between Solaris
and some Linux distribution is really too long and detailed to allow a
useful summary.
>It would help me learn *nix in general more quickly if, for example, I dont
>have to learn two different ways of how the init.d directories are layed
>out, or keep remembering (forgetting) that Linux does 'adduser', but most
>commercial *nixes do 'useradd'.
That's Unix for you. There is simply no consistency here.
There's also a thread on this in comp.unix.admin if you're interested.
>So I was wondering which distro comes closest to a generic commercial *nix ?
Having administered SuSE, RedHat, SunOS 4 and Solaris, I can say that
as a general rule, the difference between Linux and Linux, or between
SunOS 4 and Solaris, aren't any bigger than the differences between Linux
and Solaris. On each platform, there are so many choices between
components (delivered with the vendor or obtained elsewhere) that
the inherent differences between the platforms are comparatively
unimportant. For example, for printing, there's 'SysV style' printing
for Solaris, but due to popular demand, 'BSD style printing' is also
supported, and you can always choose to install the third party product
that also runs on your Linux box. This is basically the story for *any*
component on your system.
>Any and all suggestions are more than welcome.
My suggestion, if you want to be a sysadmin, is that learning how to
efficiently administer 100 Redhat boxes (or SuSE boxes, or Debian boxes)
is much more valuable than knowing your way around on 1 Redhat box,
1 Debian box, 1 Solaris box, and 1 IRIX box. The priniples remain the
same, the details will always vary.
[followups set to comp.unix.admin]
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formerly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Deadly crash with SuSE 7.0 if screen saver enabled.
Date: 18 Oct 2000 17:46:23 -0500
A few weeks ago I installed SuSE 7.0 with gnome. My son likes
screen savers so he put one. Sometime during the night it crashed,
not just gnome but X and apparently the mouse and keyboard. At the
time I thought that the OS was crashed so I pressed on the reset
switch which made it recover, after 30G of fsck.
Suspecting the screen saver from previous experience with Winblows NT 4.0
I disabled it. Yesterday afternoon my son put the screensaver back for
some reason, I had forgotten to tell him about my suspicions.
Sometime last night it crashed again. As in the previous case there
was a display of lines across the screen. The difference this time
is that I have another computer connected to the ethernet card and
I was able to log on. I could kill all the apps that I could see but
was not able to kill the xserver which must have left a ghost somewhere.
I could not give a soft reboot but could do a shutdown -n which got
me 30G of fsck.
My PC is :
550Mhz AMD motherboard
128M of RAM
1 cdrwriter memorex IDE
1 floppy 3.5 inches
1 2G hard disk Western Digital
1 14.4 G IBM hard disk
1 15 G Western Digital
1 AWE 64 Sound card
1 Voodoo 3 video card
running 4.0 X that came with SuSE professional 7.0
running gnome
Winblows 98 is installed on first hard disk
============================================
Disque /dev/hda : 64 t�tes, 63 secteurs, 1023 cylindres
Unit�s = cylindres sur 4032 * 512 octets
P�riph�rique Amorce D�but Fin Blocs Id Syst�me
/dev/hda1 2 1023 2060320+ b Win95 FAT32
/dev/hda2 * 1 1 1984+ a Gestionnaire d'amor�age OS/2
Partition table entries are not in disk order
===============================================
CDwriter is on hdc
Second disk
==============================================
Disque /dev/hde : 255 t�tes, 63 secteurs, 1870 cylindres
Unit�s = cylindres sur 16065 * 512 octets
P�riph�rique Amorce D�but Fin Blocs Id Syst�me
/dev/hde1 1 510 4096543+ 83 Linux
/dev/hde2 511 1020 4096575 83 Linux
/dev/hde3 1021 1870 6827625 f Win95 Etdue (LBA)
/dev/hde5 1021 1037 136521 82 Echange Linux
/dev/hde6 1038 1054 136521 82 Echange Linux
/dev/hde7 1055 1071 136521 82 Echange Linux
/dev/hde8 1072 1088 136521 82 Echange Linux
/dev/hde9 1089 1870 6281383+ 83 Linux
=====================================================================
Third disk
====================================================================
-Disque /dev/hdf : 255 t�tes, 63 secteurs, 1757 cylindres
Unit�s = cylindres sur 16065 * 512 octets
P�riph�rique Amorce D�but Fin Blocs Id Syst�me
/dev/hdf1 1 382 3068383+ b Win95 FAT32
/dev/hdf2 383 909 4233127+ 83 Linux
/dev/hdf4 910 1757 6811560 83 Linux
=====================================================================
fstab
======================================================================
/dev/hda1 /win98 vfat noauto,user 0 2
/dev/hdf1 /fat1 vfat noauto,user 0 2
/dev/hde5 swap swap defaults 0 2
/dev/hde6 swap swap defaults 0 2
/dev/hde7 swap swap defaults 0 2
/dev/hde8 swap swap defaults 0 2
/dev/hde1 / ext2 defaults 1 1
/dev/hde2 /opt ext2 defaults 1 2
/dev/hde9 /home ext2 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdf2 /home1 ext2 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdf4 /usr/local ext2 defaults 1 2
proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
devpts /dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0
/dev/scd0 /cdrom auto ro,noauto,user,exec 0 0
/dev/fd0 /floppy auto noauto,user 0 0
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: IPmasq, cable modem and intranet 100mb fail
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:44:25 GMT
Hi ! I have a problem with IPmasquerade like Vinson Armstead have. The
problem are that the Internet connection are slow after my Linux box.
My Setup are curently like that:
cable modem
|
ETH0 Ne2k-pci DHCP 10baseT
Pentium2-300MHz 128meg RAMM
RedHat 7.0
ETH1 rtl8129 192.168.0.1 100baseT
|
Fast Ethernet switch 10/100
|
Ethernet 100mb
Workstations with linux and Win98
Recently I upgrade My networking speed to Fast Ethernet 100, before I used
the same configuration except ETH1 of the Firewall for a 10baseT and hub at
10mb. All worked find, the Internet speed in the workstation was 100k/s.
Now, the speed of Internet in my workstation are at 3k/s, but, in the
firewall box I can download at up to 100k/s. I changed the switch for my old
hub 10mb, the intranet pass to 10mb, oups... the internet speed goes up at
30k/s, good, but I loose the speed of my intranet traffic.
I installed Internet sharing in Win98SE in the same box , surprise ! All work
find. The Internet speed are good at my workstation.
Conclusion :
the probleme are in Linux, but where ?
What I think : IPmasquerade run with IPchains correctly if I use two 10mb
cards in the Linux box. Maybe it's a mis-compatibility between 10mb traffic
and 100mb in Linux ? Or what I'm more sure, IPCHAIN !!? I don't know ! :-(
I search in howto : IPmasquerade,net-3,ethernet. I saw nothing about that
problem!
Questions : I have almost the same hardware setup than Vinson Armstead, and
probably the same probleme differently explained.
If someone have the solution please tell it ! I'm sure that I'm not the only
one to have this problem ! thanks a lot !
:-)
Pierre-Luc
technologist
ps: My english are probably miserable, sorry ! I'm french speaker.
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:53:31 -0000
Harry Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:03:14 +0000, wrote :
HL> Matthias Warkus wrote:
HL>
HL> <snip>
HL>
HL> > You'll notice that modern "word processors" are all moving towards
HL> > becoming DTP programs. MS Word, for example, is a monstrosity which is
HL> > very hard to qualify.
HL>
HL> Yip ... and DTP packages are moving to word processing also! However,
HL> neither does the other's job too well.
HL>
HL> BTW To me, the key features of WP packages are outlining, forming books
HL> from documents, and flagging text as either in a TOC or Index. These are
HL> content management features, which (I think) are the key to WP.
Which is *exactly* what LaTeX does!
HL>
HL> Harry
HL>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Need Sound Advice, please.
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:53:48 GMT
In article <T4oH5.3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin McCormick) wrote:
> In article <8skj0b$26h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> >It is. Try one.
> ------------------------------
> >
> >The sound API is not all that well documented. I've found the
> >source code for sound recording and playing programs to be the
> >best reference - have a look at wavrec/wavplay, for example.
>
> That's a great idea. I looked for wavplay-1.0.tar.gz
> yesterday as it was recommended in the HOWTO and I have heard of
> several people using it. There is an URL listing where one can get
> it, but it seems to have disappeared from all the sunsite mirrors.
>
> Does anyone know what happened to it? I am looking for a
> command-line sound player that will at least play .wavs that comes
> with source so I can play with it. It doesn't have to be wavplay, but
> that seems to be the popular one.
>
> Many thanks for the help. On the main metalab.unc site, it
> gives that wonderful 404 error and says that wavplay-1.0.tar.gz is no
> longer there. A mirror in the UK gives a similar error so I bet this
> happened fairly recently.
Time has passed since the HOWTO was written. Look for version 1.4.
Or just drill down through applications, sound, players until you
find the current version. That's what I did.
Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Que les nuages soient notre
Grid: CN89mg pied a terre..." - Hospital/Shafte
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: YES YES YES GD IT!
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:02:16 GMT
Okay! I'll tell you! IT'S VI!!!!!
Sean Clarke wrote:
> jazz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : In article <e1qG5.3420$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jan
> : Schaumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> : >
> : > > I really need a powerful word processor with templates, styles, etc.
> : > >
> : >
> : > Learn LaTeX (or LyX) - you'll be much more efficient in no time.
> : >
> : > > What is available for Linux? How about for Powerpoint and Excel?
> : >
> : > I use gnumeric for spreadsheets.
> : > If you need something like powerpoint... *shrug*.
> : > But with LaTeX you canproduce some nice slides...
> : >
> : >
> : > Cheers,
> : > -Jan
>
> : Unfortunately the world uses Word, and since I coauthor papers, I have to
> : use it or something compatible.
>
> : Thanks
> : Jim
>
> Which journal doesn't accept Latex files then?
>
> Sean
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: StarOffice or Applixware
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas S. Oliver)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:30:53 GMT
Hi, just a thought. Try looking for .Xdefaults. That file contains
window geometries for different applications. This is how I set up my
windows in RH6.2/gnome:
!
! geometry resources
!
XPaint.geometry: 230x355+70+0
XPaint.brush.geometry: 230x140+70+400
XPaint.tfill.geometry: 230x140+70+400
Canvas.geometry: +325+0
emacs.geometry: 80x25+5+30
emacs.font: 7x14
emacs.foreground: gray32
emacs.background: LightPink2
netscape.geometry: 445x615+7+6
See if you can figure out what to do from here. Let me know if you
need help, and I'll try. -- d
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From: Servet Ahmet Cizmeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Bizarre shell problem. =?iso-8859-1?Q?PROBLEM=A0SOLVED=2E?= THANXS
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:33:56 GMT
Hi everybody,
The advice of Paul Kimoto worked.
Thanks Paul
I did :
[acizmeli@seawifs acizmeli]$ strings
/usr/local/matlab5/etc/lnx86/lmhostid | egrep "\.so\."
/lib/ld-linux.so.1
libc.so.5
and saw that these two libraries were missing in my RedHat 7.0.
Replacing them solved the problem.
Now another problem :
I try to run matlab but it would not:
acizmeli@seawifs acizmeli]$ matlab
/usr/local/matlab5/bin/lnx86/matlab: can't load library 'libXt.so.6'
To run matlab, the following libraries
libdl.so.1 => /lib/libdl.so.1.7.14
libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6.0
libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.1
libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6.0
libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6.3
are needed. I checked my system :
[root@seawifs acizmeli]# ls /lib/libdl.so.1.7.14
ls: /lib/libdl.so.1.7.14: No such file or directory
[root@seawifs acizmeli]# ls /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6.0
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6.0
[root@seawifs acizmeli]# ls /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.1
/usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.1
[root@seawifs acizmeli]# ls /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6.0
/usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6.0
[root@seawifs acizmeli]# ls /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6.3
/usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6.3
I will find and download /lib/libdl.so.1.7.14 from internet however I do
not know what to do with the three other libraries which are there but
not visible to Matlab. How to make Matlab to find these libraries?
thank you for your help
regards
Servet
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From: Monte Milanuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: file is *really* tough to delete
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:39:29 -0600
Jim Schlemmer wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I've been trying to upgrade wu-ftp on a 6.0 Redhat system. The system's
> been hacked but I think I've got most things retored to original. In
> trying to install the wu-ftp RPM package, I came across an error that
> said it couldn't rename a file. In checkin this out, I found the
> following:
>
> [root@rss-cf bin]# pwd
> /usr/bin
> [root@rss-cf bin]# whoami
> root
> [root@rss-cf bin]# which ftpcount
> ./ftpcount
> [root@rss-cf bin]# lsattr ftpcount
> -------- ftpcount
> [root@rss-cf bin]# ls -la ftpcount
> -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7684 Apr 19 1999 ftpcount
> [root@rss-cf bin]# /bin/rm ftpcount
> /bin/rm: cannot unlink `ftpcount': Permission denied
> [root@rss-cf bin]# stat ftpcount
> File: "ftpcount"
> Size: 7684 Filetype: Regular File
> Mode: (0777/-rwxrwxrwx) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/
> root)
> Device: 3,5 Inode: 63188 Links: 1
> Access: Mon Oct 16 13:00:35 2000(00000.00:18:38)
> Modify: Mon Apr 19 09:22:02 1999(00546.03:57:11)
> Change: Mon Oct 16 13:07:01 2000(00000.00:12:12)
>
> Strangely, I can chmod all I want.
>
> I've checked the sum's of /bin/rm, chattr, etc. with a good copy of RH
> 6.0 and everything looks good.
>
> Any ideas about how to clobber this thing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -jim
Well, fwiw, even though lsattr shows nothing, just for kicks, did you try
'chattr -i '? Maybe someone fooled w/ the lsattr binary? Just a guess.
Monte
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Pine and Pop3?
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:43:48 GMT
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:15:14 GMT, gSe7eN
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>So, is it possible to use the great mail program PINE with a pop3
Go in to Setup|Configure. For your inbox-path, use something like:
{your.server/pop3}inbox.
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