Linux-Misc Digest #776, Volume #20 Thu, 24 Jun 99 20:13:15 EDT
Contents:
Re: URGENT: How to download Red Hat 6??? ("John")
Re: Children's Software (Belgarion)
Garbage in floating point numbers? (Ewald Pfau)
Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks ("Fran")
linux and CDRW? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Has anyone got ip masquerade working on SuSE 6.1? (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: Linux balkanization a potential blessing (John Girash)
Re: route insists on using dns, ifconfig on modifying the routing table... please
help me! (Daniel Schaffrath)
Re: Please guide me in buying the right distribution (Tobias Anderberg)
Re: URGENT: How to download Red Hat 6??? (9wands)
Re: Converting Mac Word to ASCII (was Mac formatted floppy) (Belgarion)
sound with Netscape (James R Maxie)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (was: Mindcraft Retest
News
Re: NT the best web platform? (Bruno Wolff III)
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From: "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: URGENT: How to download Red Hat 6???
Date: 24 Jun 1999 22:36:40 GMT
I remember those days, thank goodness for Cablemodems. Took me about 2
hours to d/l the Mandrake ISO.
9wands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Robert Brown-Bayliss wrote:
> >
> > In article <7hvmji$odj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > > Please tell me where to get a $2 copy of RH6.0. Infomagic doesn't
have
> > > it out yet, and Redhat wants $79.95. GNU wants $150 to precompile
> > > everything specifically for my system. Are you saying, if I download
it
> > > myself and purchase a writable CD-ROM, that I can buy the media for
> > > $2 ? How much are writable CD-ROMs?
> >
> > Why nor download? I set my PC to down load RH 6 and walked away. All
day
> > at work it was down loading, all night while I slept it was
downloading.
> > All morning the next day it was downloading. By 2pm I had RH 6
running.
> >
> > Sure it's slow, but if you are else wher it takes no time at all :o)
> >
>
> Must be nice to have a rock-stable dial-up connection like that. Last
> summer when I DLd Mandrake, I had to sort of supervise things to catch
> the random disconnects ...
>
> --
> Beware the fury of a patient man.
> - John Dryden
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Belgarion)
Subject: Re: Children's Software
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 Jun 1999 16:21:41 PST
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robert Heller wrote:
> jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> In a message on Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:09:18 -0700, wrote :
>
>j> Robert Heller wrote:
>j> > The roaches can be squished. Toss on a collection of random windows
>j> > (say with a simple Tcl/Tk program) that can be moved about to find the
>j> > roaches (which 'hide' under windows). All sorts of possibilities...
>j>
>j> hehehe I had never gave it much of a chance I guess...I hadn't realized
>j> there was actually any point to that program :P
>
>Yeah. xroach, like xbill, is a virtual variation of the arcade games
>that work for the 4-8 year-old set, but the older kids and adults have no
>interest in -- these are the "stomp 'em" games -- there is a table top
>where some kind of critters pop up through holes and the object is to
>pound the critters back into their holes with some kind of club.
>Putting xroach on your X display is interesting for about 5 minutes and
>then you go back to what you had before. I serious doubt that any
>serious user puts xroach in their .xinitrc or .Xclients file, but I
>expect that including in child's .xinitrc or .Xclients would be
>something to keep the kid interested. Probably exactly the thing to
>have around when the kid hits the 'Print' button and to have something
>to do while waiting for the printout of their 'masterpiece'.
Uh, hey man... I ... I love those roaches.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ewald Pfau)
Subject: Garbage in floating point numbers?
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:22:27 +0200
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
JK> allow me to introduce such concepts as
JK> 1) the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a cirle,
JK> 2) the base of the natural logarithm,
You may approach such constants as fractions of integers. Calculation
with it goes by scaling (multiplication to a multiprecision product and
divsion back to the original precision). Up to a result with a precision
in the desired word-size.
JK> 3) the square root of two.
There is a nice algorithm around.
For sure there are applications for floating point. But too often it
turns out to be laziness: One may understand the computer to _help_
doing the algebra, but there are too many invitations to take this for
_doing_ the algebra (invitations mainly by programmer's algebraic
notations) - there's a gap in between. Quite often integers may help for
better accuracy even if some decimal points arrive in used figures.
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From: "Fran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks
Date: 19 Jun 1999 08:59:02 GMT
How's the quote go?
"Great programmers borrow great code"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in article <7k8afh$kqc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Except for the fact that Bill Gates didn't even write DOS. He bought one
> form someone else. The story of Gates and Microsoft, since they can't
> inovate, buy it, steal it or copy it. That's why M$'s stuff sucks so
> bad. They didn't write half the products they release! They just hack up
> the stuff the buy, and steal, the stuff the copy they haven't got a clue
> on how to write in the first place!
>
>
>
> In article <7k628a$avv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "ajr-5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > >
> > > If we all smart as Bill Gates, he wouldn't be as rich as tody. Just
> > > because he noticed PC will have feuture before IBM did. So we got
> > > windows today.
> >
> > Actually, IBM hired Billy Gates to build them DOS, so actually, IBM
> thought
> > the PC had a future as well. And furthermore Windowz was copied from
> Mac so
> > don't give Gates too much credit. If Macs didn't have a GUI who knows
> what
> > we would have today...
> >
> > BTW: I'm not defending Macs, that's just the way it is (was)...
> >
> >
>
>
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> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: linux and CDRW?
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:05:32 GMT
Hello all
I use cdrecord, mkisofs and xcdroast for burning CDRs but I am
not sure how to use linux with CDRWs (that is, copying and erasing
files from a CDRW). Any hints?
Thanks a lot.
Eduardo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: Has anyone got ip masquerade working on SuSE 6.1?
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:07:53 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allen Ashley) writes:
>Simple question: how did you do it?
>Now, both the susehelp and online instructions in the SuSE databank
>are wrong, so I have some specific questions:
Doubtful.
>1. How did you find out about ipchains?
This topic has been discussed for months now. Besides that,
it is obligatory to take a look into /usr/src/linux/Documentation/Changes
when using a brand new kernel release.
>I had to grep the entire
>source tree looking for ipfwadm to find out that I had to learn
>about ipchains.
Then you didn't read any linux newsgroups.
>There is a good site at mediaone that translates
>the ipfwadm commands into ipchains.
SuSE does this automatically (well, at least if updating from a
previous SuSE version).
>2. What specific options did you enable when you compiled the
>kernel. The instructions given by SuSE refer to non-existent
>kernel options. I think I turned on what I had to, but I am
>not sure.
How should we know what you needed to enable ??
>3. Where did you get the necessary modules, such as ip_masq_ftp
>and such that are mentioned in the online databank, but cannot
>be added to 6.1?
Gee, I recompiled the kernel and installed the new modules. Admittedly,
the various kernels that come with a SuSE CDROM set can be quite confusing
(boot kernel is 2.2.7, but the default kernelsource installed will be
2.2.6 , unless you selected the lx_suse package explicitely).
>What did you do after downloading the 6Mb
>kernmod.rpm file?
I didn't.
>4. Would you ever buy another SuSE distribution?
Sure. The update from a 5.3 version on my main Linux server took about
half an hour, and resulted in setup that was almost perfectly working.
The only things I had to do by hand was recompiling the kernel (see above)
with some headaches about incorrect modules (see above), which were
quickly resolved once I noticed the version differences.
IP forw/masquerading worked (for both in-house subnets) once I added the
"echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" into the setup scripts.
Michael
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Linux balkanization a potential blessing
Date: 24 Jun 1999 22:47:43 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [courtesy cc of this posting mailed to cited author]
Thanks, but no need in the future, I read this (colm) group.
> In gnu.misc.discuss, John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> :Hey guys, here's a tip: *.advocacy . It's there for a reason, use it.
> Newsgroup redirection: PERMISSION DENIED
>It does *not* fall into the realm of advocacy that a great deal of
>software that comes included with or has been designed for Linux systems
>is completely or virtually undocumented. It's a grave and pernicious
>problem that afflicts Linux in all its myriad incarnations. When I read
>in the SuSE installation manual, nominally the best distribution thus far,
>that not all programs they provided included documentation, I wanted to
>throw the book and its half-dozen CD right into the roaring fireplace.
>There's simply no excuse for this kind of nonsense. None whatsoever.
Of that paragraph, the first 2.5 lines are points you've made before, and
the other 5.5 are pure rant. Advocacy.
>Since its inception, each and every version of Unix has included
>complete documentation.[...]
> Unix v1 Manpages:
> http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/1stEdman.html
> Unix v7 Manpages:
> http://cm.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan/index.html
> http://language.perl.com/ppt/v7/index.html
>Proper documentation has always been something that makes Unix what it is.
>That's part of why it's a POSIX.1 requirement, as IBM learned to its
>dismay as it was forced to retrofit its propietary docs back into standard
>format back into its AIX system in order to earn POSIX compliance.
>The real reason for this requirement is that is because anything else
>leads us to the evil days of Microsoft and mainframe-style IBM.
Look at where you took that in the last sentence's conclusion: pure advocacy.
>The next time I install something that doesn't include manpages, but
>instead provides some dippy [ABOUT] button that tells you absolutely
>nothing about how to use the software in question, or even more
>frustratingly, an endless labyrinth of cascading menus or pop-up screens
>that are simultaneously un-grep-able, un-apropos-able, and un-lpr-able,
>I'm going to track down the author and dump a truckload of encyclopedias
>on his point little head in the hope that he might actually learn how
Yep, nothin' but you-know-what in there.
>If I wanted Microsoft or IBM mainframe rigamarole, I'd know where to
>go--and I chose not to go there. Sometimes on Linux, it's hard to tell
>the difference.
Please tell me what about this one doesn't belong in the advocacy groups.
No wait, don't bother, I won't agree anyway.
cheers
jg
ps. I'm not saying anything against advocacy here. But it belongs elsewhere.
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From: Daniel Schaffrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: route insists on using dns, ifconfig on modifying the routing table...
please help me!
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:47:56 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
>
> 1. Stopping the resolver stuff (I'm not 100% sure if that works, but it should)
> route -n etc.
It doesn't. the -n switch means, route should not use dns to re-resolv the ip's from
/proc/net/route.
Do you know something else!?
> 2. ifconfig sets up route
> This is a new feature in the 2.2 kernel series, allowing for automatic
> setup of interfaces with just one instruction.
I don't like this new feature. Is there a way to prevent ifconfig from doing this!?
regards,
Dan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tobias Anderberg)
Subject: Re: Please guide me in buying the right distribution
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:55:42 +0200
>I have a bit of SunOS experience and now want to buy an Intel box which
>should run Linux. But yet it is difficult for me to see which distribution
>is the best to start with. I even don't know where I should start in the web
>to look out for some comparisons or so.
Hmm. I think new Linux users gets hung up to much on which distribution to
use. Because essentially, it's just Linux. What the various distributions do
is (perhaps) provide a different set of tool and applications to use. But you
could easily install them on other distributions as well, atleast that's the
thought anyway (Metrowerks CodeWarrior comes to mind :-)).
Anyway, to answer your question: it really shouldn't matter what dist you
decide to use. But most people seems to recommend either SuSE or Redhat for
new Linux'ers. I myself run Slackware which I feel comfortable with. If you
have the time, try them all and decide for yourself.
>Please point me to a location where a newbie has the best chances to read
>everything he needs to get a good start.
www.linux.org
/tobias
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From: 9wands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: URGENT: How to download Red Hat 6???
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:51:16 -0500
Robert Brown-Bayliss wrote:
>
> In article <7hvmji$odj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > Please tell me where to get a $2 copy of RH6.0. Infomagic doesn't have
> > it out yet, and Redhat wants $79.95. GNU wants $150 to precompile
> > everything specifically for my system. Are you saying, if I download it
> > myself and purchase a writable CD-ROM, that I can buy the media for
> > $2 ? How much are writable CD-ROMs?
>
> Why nor download? I set my PC to down load RH 6 and walked away. All day
> at work it was down loading, all night while I slept it was downloading.
> All morning the next day it was downloading. By 2pm I had RH 6 running.
>
> Sure it's slow, but if you are else wher it takes no time at all :o)
>
Must be nice to have a rock-stable dial-up connection like that. Last
summer when I DLd Mandrake, I had to sort of supervise things to catch
the random disconnects ...
--
Beware the fury of a patient man.
- John Dryden
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Belgarion)
Subject: Re: Converting Mac Word to ASCII (was Mac formatted floppy)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 Jun 1999 16:27:26 PST
In article <7ks487$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave Bailey wrote:
>Thanks for the responses, turns out I had hfs in my 2.2 kernel,
>so everything went great. Now I'm looking at a bunch of Mac
>MS Word files and wondering if there's any code out there which
>will convert these to ASCII text. I've done binary dumps of
>some of them and apparently the Mac (or Word) uses different
>characters for things like quotes and apostrophes and so on,
>and, interestingly, sometimes there are big chunks of unprintable
>characters sitting in the middle of words, sentences, between
>paragraphs, you name it. Already, this is far more than I
>ever wanted to know about the format of a Word file. So, if
>anybody knows of any code which can convert Word to ASCII (or
>even better, Word to TeX [fat chance]), please let me know.
>Thanks.
Have you searched on freshmeat for something like this? I know
they're out there, i've seen them in apt's package listings. Look for
"mswordconv".
Also, I believe Wordperfect/Linux (which may/may not be
availiable for mac/linux systems) can OPEN and read them. :)
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From: James R Maxie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: sound with Netscape
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:31:08 -0600
Hello all. I have my soundcard setup great under RedHat Linux 6.0.
I was wondering how to get and especially intsall a plugin for Netscape
4.51 that will play wav, midi, and other sound fikes.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (was: Mindcraft
Retest News
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:24:09 -0700
On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:18:58 GMT, Terry Carmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:01:31 +0000, yan seiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>I changed from NT server to Linux server 6 months ago. I achieved 99.8%
>>uptime in the last 6 months; the one time the system was unavailable
>>(for 3 hours - I was out of town) was due to the fact that I screwed up
>>the hosts file. This on a budget of $0 and a total time of maybe 40
>>hours.
>>
>>The NT installation prior to that would crash regularly. I took to
>>rebooting it every weekend, and sometimes it would not come up. (I
>>blame most of this on R&RAS, which is the worst POS I've ever seen in a
>>production environment. I've seen alpha stuff that is more stable and
>>better documented.)
>
>While it's very easy to bash NT and come up with amazing statistics
>supporting either operating system, I should mention that NT is very
>stable if you do a proper install on certified hardware and don't load
>it up with a bunch of crap.
But loading a machine up with crap is what it's there for.
This is especially true in with Microsoft based machines
as they're supposed to be better due to the wider range of
crap available for them.
[deletia]
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that a car is not expected to suddenly become wood chipper at some |||
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruno Wolff III)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: 24 Jun 1999 23:53:37 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From article <7kua8a$424ii$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, by "Stuart Fox"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Surely that's a function of the HTML, not the server. Can't comment exactly
> though cause I haven't seen it.
It could easily be a browser problem. IE seems to be broken. We have a web
server for our help sofware that uses a URL with \s in it. When compliant
browsers look at these pages the images are broken because the links are
relative to the \ path and browsers are supposed to stip everything back to
the last /. However it works with IE. So IE doesn't strip back to the last
/ when building relative links which is contrary to the standard.
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