Linux-Misc Digest #830, Volume #20 Mon, 28 Jun 99 13:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: ISPS (John Winters)
Re: Word Perfect (Rod Smith)
Re: Documentation issues. (Russ Allbery)
Re: Looking for Linux audio mixer Package (Edwin Johnson)
Re: ISPS (Jason Clifford)
Re: Statbot for Linux? (Jon Skeet)
redhat 6.0 boot trouble (henning hummert)
Re: Netscape from SUSE 6.1 CD won't work, library problem? (TonyC)
Re: ipmasqeurading (NightFever)
Re: Question in EXT2 file system data structure (John Phillips)
Re: HELP !: how configure SB PCI 64 (chipset ES1370) ?? (Oliver.Natt)
Re: Garbage in floating point numbers? (Gordon Haverland)
Startup at boot (Peter)
Re: Newbie: Needs help selecting distribution (Alex Lam)
Re: Which Linux for beginner? (Stewart Honsberger)
INIT Problem ("Scott MacDonald")
Re: Direct Backups (Glen Batchelor)
Re: Mounting NTFS? ("Dario Andrade")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Winters)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: ISPS
Date: 28 Jun 1999 16:14:47 +0100
In article <7l7mgq$eg8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Darren Paxton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am just posting this message to gauge some feedback from the Linux
>community in the world.
>
>Since Microsoft has the dominating share in the market of computing (I
>do not think anyone would doubt this statement),
I would - Microsoft have a dominant share in one particular area of
computing - the desktop. Since this is the only area the vast majority
of people see, it does lead to the illusion that they dominate computing.
IBM are still larger than Microsoft in terms of revenue.
>every ISP in the world is generally based on Microsoft.
Completely untrue (although doubtless the sort of impression Microsoft
try to generate). Very few ISPs are based on Microsoft products - they
simply aren't stable or scaleable enough.
John
--
John Winters. Wallingford, Oxon, England.
The Linux Emporium - a source for Linux CDs in the UK
See <http://www.polo.demon.co.uk/emporium.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:47:51 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Fried) writes:
> I have been using WP8 for several months now. The only difficulty
> I have is that it does not correctly read my microsoft word 97 files
> correctly from my dos partition.
>
> It just reads the headers of the document and nothing else.
>
> I've been told to disable the fast save feature but that
> does not do the trick.
It's possible that you've got a mount option set in such a way that the
files are being corrupted. Make sure you're not specifying "conv=t[ext]"
or "conv=a[uto]" in your /etc/fstab or when you mount the partition.
If that still doesn't help, try using something other than MS Word format
when you save the files from MS Word. RTF frequently works pretty well.
You could also try earlier versions of MS Word, or WordPerfect if that's
an option.
> I prefer word perfect over word star but word star is
> able to read my word files with no problem whether I
> use the fast save feature or I don't.
Word Star? AFAIK, there's no Linux version of Word Star, nor any recent
version for ANY platform. AFAIK, it died many years ago. Do you mean
Star Office? That's an entirely different product.
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the "uce" word from my address to mail me
Author of _Special Edition Using WordPerfect for Linux_, from Que;
see http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith/books.html
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From: Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Documentation issues.
Date: 28 Jun 1999 06:49:07 -0700
In gnu.misc.discuss, Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> You know, when I was maintaining the FreeBSD FAQ, it was full of
> paragraphs that weren't properly tagged like that. I generally fixed
> these spots where I found them, because I personally prefer explicit
> markup, but it never seemed to cause a problem for the parser.
Every DTD that I've seen so far requires all markup to be explicit;
closing tags can be dropped, but I've never seen one that doesn't require
tagging paragraphs at all.
--
Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) <URL:http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edwin Johnson)
Subject: Re: Looking for Linux audio mixer Package
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 28 Jun 1999 14:20:59 GMT
I use xamixer, but don't know whether this will meet all of your criteria.
...Edwin
On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:46:08 -0400, Bunbi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I would like to setup my Linux machine to do audio mixer then burn it into
>the CDROM. What I am looking for is a professional level audio mixer
>software package available freely under Linux. I've checked with the Linux
>software repository site:
>
> http://www.linux.org/apps/applications.html
>
>and found a broken link to the "SoundStudio" site. Then, I went to metalab
>site and found a huge audio mixer under
>/pub/Linux/apps/sound/mixers/slab-2.20.1.tar.gz. Being a newbie in this
>audio mixer field, I was amazed by the software package's size and am
>interested to know if this audio mixer package is better than the Sound
>Studio.
>
>If you know of other better audio mixer that is freely available, I sure
>would like to hear from your comment and pointer.
>
>--
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: ISPS
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:51:13 +0100
On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Darren Paxton wrote:
> Since Microsoft has the dominating share in the market of computing (I
> do not think anyone would doubt this statement), every ISP in the world
> is generally based on Microsoft.
No, most ISPs are based upon UNIX/Linux. That they cater for a Windows
majority usually has nothing to do with the systems that they run
themselves. ISPs have different requirements to a desktop PC user - ie
they cannot afford downtime.
> What I would like to ask you all, if any of your ISPs (and where they
> are based), FULLY support Linux. Personally, I have used Freeserve
> (don't ask). Softnet (not bad), and In2Home (also, not bad). Now, I am
> using a dialup script to my old university (the only script for
> connecting that has actually worked for me).
I have found Demon to be pretty good as a dial up service.
> Obviously, with the popularity of, and curiosity about Linux increasing
> all the time, does anyone feel, like I do, that its about time the ISPs
> start supporting Linux?
Why should they support any client platform. Their business is not to give
out free technical support for numerous computing platforms but rather to
provide access to the Internet. What they should really be doing (and many
are) is simply offering details of dialup numbers, auth methods, DNS etc
entries.
> Like I have stated before, I have had major problems connecting to the
> UK service Freeserve through Linux, and through the newsgroups, I
> tracked down about 10 different methods to connect. I do not know if I
> had maybe done something wrong with the scripting or whatever, but I
> just gave up. My idea is, wouldn't it be better if, when you want to
> connect to the ISP, they give you a CD, or even a disk, that contains
> the relevant scripting, or even a tar archive or an rpm with a dialer
> script.
This is a very dangerous thing. Consider how virii and trojans get
distributed for DOS/Windows PCs.
A better solution is for them to send out a simple instructions sheet.
Paper and print is still cheaper than a blank CD.
Jason Clifford
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Skeet)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Statbot for Linux?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:09:10 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm currently trying to get hold of the Linux binary of Statbot (a nifty
> little program that parses WWW log files), anyone have any idea about
> this? I have only come across SunOS binaries so far, and unfortunately
> the homepage is now defunct.
> Anyway, I'd be really grateful if anyone could provide me with any info
> on this...
I don't know about statbot, but if you're essentially interested in
getting web page stats, you could do a lot worse than analog:
http://www.statslab.cam.ac.uk/~sret1/analog/
--
Jon Skeet - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/
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From: henning hummert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: redhat 6.0 boot trouble
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:44:54 -0400
i am trying to install redhat 6.0 and/or mandrake on my laptop.
installation went fine, but when i try to boot with the new kernel, the
system hangs after detecting my harddisk. i had no problems with redhat
5.2 or with any kernel i tried to install afterwards [2.2.9. ran
perfect]
so what can i do. can i hand over any bootprompts at LILO to get my
system running???
thx
h
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (TonyC)
Subject: Re: Netscape from SUSE 6.1 CD won't work, library problem?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:03:29 +0100
Ronald Haynes says...
> Hi, after establishing a working ppp connection to my isp,
> I tried to run netscape only to be disappointed with a message
> saying it couldn't find
> libstdc++.so.2.8
>
> having a look at my /usr/lib I see
>
> libstdc++.so.2.9
> and several minor revisions of
> libstdc++.so.2.7.2 etc...
>
> Do I need libstdc++.so.2.8 ???
The answer's in the SuSe on-line database -sorry I can't tell you exactly
where to find it but it can't be to difficult as even I managed it :-)
TonyC
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NightFever)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: ipmasqeurading
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:04:52 GMT
Try this:
# Setting up IP Masquerade
/sbin/depmod -a
/sbin/modprobe ip_masq_ftp
/sbin/modprobe ip_masq_irc
/sbin/modprobe ip_masq_raudio
/sbin/ipchains -P forward DENY
/sbin/ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.11.0/24 -j MASQ
This is assuming that you have 2.2.x kernel, compiled all the modules
you have to use ipchains
The line:
/sbin/ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.11.0/24 -j MASQ
change the 192.168.11.0 to the IP you are using, since you use
192.168.0.x, you should put 192.168.0.0, the zero in the last 'dot'
tells it to masquerade the whole 192.168.0.x range.
Hope this helps
On 28 Jun 1999 11:41:13 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (F. Heitkamp) wrote:
>I'm trying to get IP masquerading working on two Linux
>boxes I have. I have a local network setup with one
>machine 192.168.0.1 and the other 192.168.0.2. 192.168.0.2
>is connect via dialup SLIP to my ISP. The local "lan" works
>fine, I'm able to telnet, ftp, etc. between the two boxes.
>I have installed a kernel with IP forwarding and aliasing
>configured on 192.168.0.2, basically following the instruction
>on http://skaro.nightcrawler.com/~bb/FW-HOWTO/FW-Howto.html.
>I'm using the same configuration as shown in "listing 1"
>with ppp0 changed to sl0. As you may have guessed the
>masquerading isn't working. Any suggestions?
>
>Fred
>
>
>
>
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From: John Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Question in EXT2 file system data structure
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:21:02 GMT
Look in the kernel source files.
Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello every body:
> I know EXT2 File system cotains several "Block Groups",
> and each "Block Group" is constitutes by Super Block,
> Group Descriptors, Block Bitmap, Inode Bitmap, Inode Table
> and Data Blocks.
> But I can't figure out how big each part's size is and
> what each byte's meaning(structure) is.
> Where can I find information about them.
> Thanks in advance.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Oliver.Natt)
Subject: Re: HELP !: how configure SB PCI 64 (chipset ES1370) ??
Date: 28 Jun 1999 16:13:42 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I'd just like to know whether I must do anything else but
> choosing the option "ES1370" in the Sound section when I
> recompile my 2.2.8 kernel (I have a SB 64 PCI from Cr. Labs).
> ....
> section, and I get something when I do a
> > cat blink.au > /dev/audio
> but it sounds pretty bad and distorted...
If you had read the Documentation, you would know that this kernel module does
not support this operation.
Use the play or rplay-command instead and read the documentation in
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound/es1370.
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From: Gordon Haverland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Garbage in floating point numbers?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:35:48 -0600
Rajarshi Bandyopadhyay wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Please take a look at the following 3-line program.
>
> main(){
> float t=0.001;
> float u=1/t;
> printf("%f\n",u); //u expected to be 1000
> }
>
> The actual output is 999.999939.
The actual number output will be architecture dependent.
> On debugging using gdb, we find that t is actually assigned as
> 0.00100000005. This seems to be the cause of the discrepancy.
Ummm, yes and no.
> What is the reason for this garbage at the tail of the fp number?
> I am writing a program which depends on the precise values of fp
> numbers and this problem is f****ing it all up!
The reason is your misunderstanding of floating point arithmetic.
Computers run on base 2 arithmetic, and numbers like 0.1 cannot
be exactly written out in base 2 arithmetic in 32, 64 or 80
bits. Sort of like why 1/3 can't be written out exactly in
base 10 arithmetic.
If you want to learn more about this sort of thing, best to
visit your local library and get a book on numerical methods.
But, from a more practical side, there are a couple of approaches.
You might be able to work with fixed place arithmetic. In other
words, if everything you do is a multiple of 0.001, then multiply
everything by 1000 and use integers for representing everything.
If you need to use floating point numbers, you might be able to
use one of the specialised libraries out there. There are
libraries which use binary coded decimal to represent numbers,
instead of base 2 IEEE arithmetic. There are also extended precision
libraries which use more bits to specify the number, which may
help in avoiding roundoff errors. The GNU project has one
of these (or more). Doing this will likely slow down your
application, as your library is going to have to do the math
that would normally be done by floating point hardware.
This should be a start.
Gord.
#include <disclaimer.h>
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From: Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Startup at boot
Date: 28 Jun 1999 15:37:35 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is there a way to start a programm as root during a boot up?
peter
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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Newbie: Needs help selecting distribution
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:27:11 -0700
Silviu Minut wrote:
>
> I doubt there's many people who run several distributions just for
> comparing them, so that they can give advice to newbies. If I run RedHat
> I'll tell you RedHat is good. If John Doe runs Caldera, he'll tell you
> choose Caldera.
> One thing though. Dell and IBM ship pc's with RedHat. I wonder why.
>
Redhat is junk and buggy. The installer sux big time.
SuSE is much smoother to install, have much better hardware supports,
even FreeBSD is easier to install than RH.
That's why you see so many "Help" posts from people trying to install RH
here.
Why? Because of all the noise RH have been getting lately.
Check ZDNet, CNN news etc., they have articles on Redhat.
And RH is becoming the M$ of the Linux world.
Get Caldera or SuSE. Forget Redhat.
Alex Lam.
> Alex Flinsch wrote:
>
> > I am in the process of buying a new system and intend on setting it up
> > as multiple boot win9x/linux/(possibly NT).
> >
> > Hopefully the system will be purchased with 2 hard drives installed,
> > which would make the installation of a dual boot system go more
> > smoothly, but this will mainly be determined by the intersection of the
> > following (anticipated vs actual annual bonus) & current hardware prices
> > at time of bonus.
> >
> > Anyway, the win9x option is fairly straightforward, as there are very
> > few options for it (read 1, whatever version of win9x is out there when
> > I get the system).
> >
> > I have narrowed the linux option (mostly based on others comments & what
> > is available at my local computer shops), down to 2 possibilities either
> > RedHat 6, or Caldera 2.2
> >
> > As near as I can tell, each has specific strengths and weaknesses. The
> > Caldera distro, appears to be easier to install, especially if I only
> > get 1 drive in the system (the included Partition Magic bundle, don't
> > want to buy it seperately if I am only going to use it once), while the
> > RedHat distro, seems to be more of a standard, and seems to include more
> > "extras" & documentation included with the package.
> >
> > My questions to you are:
> > Are there any other strengths/weaknesses to either distribution?
> > Any experience with the support services offered by either company (good
> > or bad)?
> >
> > TIA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: Which Linux for beginner?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:36:06 GMT
On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:31:08 GMT, Artur Leung wrote:
> I am interested in setting up Linux besides my usual Win95/NT
>environment. I came across the Slakware and RedHat Linux. Which one
>should I install? What is the major difference between these two
>products? Any info. is welcome.
As a beginner myself, I found (and still find) SuSE to be quite user
friendly.
I started with 5.2 (might have been 5.1.. Hmm..) and am currently running
6.0. A friend who once ran RedHat switched to SuSE and claims that he'll
never go back. He also installed it on some of the machines at the ISP he
works at, and they've also said that they won't go back. It's just a matter
of time before all RedHat machines migrate to SuSE 6.0.
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4
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From: "Scott MacDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: INIT Problem
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:40:21 -0300
Hello I am running Mandrake 6.0 on my system. I have a problem that I can't
figure out. Every time I boot the system I get this message while I am
logging in or if I just wait here it is:
INIT: Id "mo" respawing too fast: paused for 5 minutes
I can still use the sytem no problems other than the message. If I wait 5
minustes it pops up again. Can anyone help? What is it? and or how do I
fix or stop it.
If you could please respond by email (just remove the nospam) I really don't
want to miss the answer. Thank you in advance.
Scott MacDonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: webmaster-nospam@allspec-d-o-t c-o-m (Glen Batchelor)
Subject: Re: Direct Backups
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:05:17 GMT
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:46:18 -0700, "Scott Simpson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
><webmaster-nospam@allspec-d-o-t c-o-m (Glen Batchelor)> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> Can anyone suggest to me a method for dumping partitions directly
>> to DDS3 tape drives? I have an 18GB drive with several partitions that
>> need backing up. Is there a decent backup package for X? I've tried
>> BRU and it won't run on RH5.1. I can't modify the libraries because
>> the database server needs the current version.
>
>This is the second posting on the same thread I've answered today. I posted
>dump scripts in this newsgroup in the last couple of days. Look for my name.
> Scott Simpson
I'm sorry that my newsfeed is crappy enough to loose posts. If
there was a post to read I wouldn't have posted mine in the first
place.
Ryengoth
>
>
>
>
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From: "Dario Andrade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mounting NTFS?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:20:28 -0300
After recompiling kernel with support for ntfs, you need to make sure NTFS
is loaded:
modprobe ntfs
and then
mount -t ntfs /dev/hdax /mnt/ntfs
the problem is that wirte support it precarious, i would not recommend it
[]s,
Dario Andrade
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dario Andrade
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Nick Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED](remove zz)> wrote in message
news:7l5c7g$5ep$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Adrian Hands wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >$ rpm -q samba
> >samba-2.0.3-8
> >$ smbmount "file://machine_name/c" "password" -I host -c "mount
> >/mnt/mount_point"
> >
> >Where machine_name is the smb name of your NT box,
> >c is the shared-resource you want to mount,
> >password is the password,
> >host is the dns name (or ip address ?) of the nt box,
> >and /mnt/mount_point is where you want it mounted.
> >
> >Keep an eye on /var/log/samba/smb.log and nmb.log if you have trouble
> >
>
>
> Sorry what I meant, was that the NTFS partition is on a hard disk
> in my standalone machine.
> I need to know the appropriate format of the 'mount' command,
> mount -t <something> /dev/hda6 /mnt/point
> Or something similar.
>
> Any more help?
>
> Nick
>
>
>
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