Linux-Misc Digest #831, Volume #20 Mon, 28 Jun 99 15:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: SMTP port already open !? (Frank Sweetser)
Re: HELP: How to get window size ??? (Michel Bardiaux)
Re: Mounting a SCO OpenServer 5.0.2 Filesystem in Linux? (Bartek Golenko)
Re: Documentation issues. (Russ Allbery)
Re: Word Perfect (Alan Fried)
Re: Viral matters [completely off-topic] (Johan Kullstam)
remote printing (Miguel Lastra)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (Alan Burns)
ATI XPERT 98D 3D AGP (Leonard Evens)
Re: A couple of newbie questions (Larry)
Re: Can't get linux to open (Larry)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (was: Mindcraft Retest
News (Philip Brown)
Re: leafnode ("John Hardin")
Why are things so screwy ? (vod)
Re: Printer broken with new kernel.. (Paul Thomas)
Re: Newbie: Needs help selecting distribution (Silviu Minut)
Re: Help with crontab (Barry Margolin)
Re: Need opinion on cd-rom vendor? (Chris Aiken)
Re: ISPS ("Eirik Wilberg")
Re: Documentation issues. (Peter da Silva)
Re: password forgot (Lew Pitcher)
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From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SMTP port already open !?
Date: 28 Jun 1999 12:26:28 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger) writes:
> Lately, I've been getting the following error on boot;
>
> Jun 26 20:29:00 blackdeath sendmail[181]: problem creating SMTP socket
> Jun 26 20:29:05 blackdeath sendmail[181]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root):
> opendaemonsocket: cannot bind: Address already in use
>
> It repeats several times before finally changing it's tune to;
>
> Jun 28 10:23:37 blackdeath sendmail[181]: problem creating SMTP socket
> Jun 28 10:23:37 blackdeath sendmail[181]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root):
> opendaemonsocket: server SMTP socket wedged: exiting
>
> In my /etc/inetd.conf I have;
>
> smtp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/sendmail sendmail -bs
did you disable starting sendmail as a daemon at bootup?
--
Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu fsweetser at blee.net | PGP key available
paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.2.5 i586 | at public servers
Well, that's more-or-less what I was saying, though obviously addition
is a little more cosmic than the bitwise operators.
-- Larry Wall in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Michel Bardiaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HELP: How to get window size ???
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:27:10 +0200
Reg Clemens wrote:
>
> Other versions of unix have ioctl's (TIOCGWINSZ, TIOCGSIZE)
> that will return the window size.
>
> I suspect Linux must have the something similar, but I cant find
> it anywhere.
>
> DOES anyone know how to get the (current) window size in
> Linux?
>
> Reg.Clemens
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TIOCGWINSZ *is* supported (at least in kernel 2.0.36 and libc6 2.0.7)
Proof-by-pudding:
#include <stdio.h>
#include <termio.h>
#include <string.h>
int main(int argc, char* argv[])
{
struct winsize ws;
memset(&ws, 0, sizeof(ws));
if(ioctl(fileno(stdin), TIOCGWINSZ, &ws)<0) {
perror("ioctl");
exit(1);
}
printf("%hu %hu %hu %hu\n", ws.ws_row, ws.ws_col, ws.ws_xpixel,
ws.ws_ypixel);
return 0;
}
This works in an xterm window.
--
Michel Bardiaux
UsrConsult S.P.R.L. Rue Margot, 37 B-1457 Nil St Vincent
Tel : +32 10 65.44.15 Fax : +32 10 65.44.10
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bartek Golenko)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.sco,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.sco.programmer
Subject: Re: Mounting a SCO OpenServer 5.0.2 Filesystem in Linux?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:02:42 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Sherwin wrote:
>On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 01:39:21 GMT, "Binesh Bannerjee"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>> My question is regarding the System V filesystem support available in
>>Linux. I currently am running SCO Openserver 5.0.2, and I'd like to boot
>>Linux on an alternate drive, but be able to access the SCO drives from Linux,
>>I tried enabling CONFIG_SYSV_FS on the Linux box, but it still doesn't
>>recognize the drive... Is it perhaps that SCO Openserver doesn't use
>>"UFS"?
>>
>I've never been able to get SCO Openserver disks to mount either. I
>built a kernel with _all_ filesystem types supported but still
>couldn't mount the partition. Does anybody have any suggestions?
Thats because Linux 2.0.x could not recognize SCO division table on a
partition - you could always mount SCO floppies. There is an option in 2.2.x
that will probably allow you to do this.
--
Bartek Golenko
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Documentation issues.
Date: 28 Jun 1999 09:21:03 -0700
In gnu.misc.discuss, Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It might have been a parser hack. I don't care. As I said, I *prefer*
> explicit markup. I'm sorry you don't, but I think making a personal
> preference like that the basis of an argument against SGML is a little
> unreasonable.
It's not just a personal preference; explicit markup takes longer to write
without automated tools. Markup languages that assume the existence of
automated tools aren't as accessible or easy to deal with.
Excessively verbose markup languages are also harder to read in the raw.
I offer this example all the time: Compare <strong>word</strong> to
B<word>. Which of those constructs makes it easier for your eye to find
the content rather than the markup? <b>word</b> is a little better, which
is why HTML uses it, but a lot of SGML DTDs prefer longer markup (<para>
vs. <p>).
TeX is a little better than a lot of SGML, with \textbf{word}, but is
still rather verbose.
--
Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) <URL:http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Fried)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:22:08 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith) wrote:
>[Posted and mailed]
>
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Fried) writes:
>> I have been using WP8 for several months now. The only difficulty
>> I have is that it does not correctly read my microsoft word 97 files
>> correctly from my dos partition.
>>
>> It just reads the headers of the document and nothing else.
>>
>> I've been told to disable the fast save feature but that
>> does not do the trick.
>
>It's possible that you've got a mount option set in such a way that the
>files are being corrupted. Make sure you're not specifying "conv=t[ext]"
>or "conv=a[uto]" in your /etc/fstab or when you mount the partition.
>
>If that still doesn't help, try using something other than MS Word format
>when you save the files from MS Word. RTF frequently works pretty well.
>You could also try earlier versions of MS Word, or WordPerfect if that's
>an option.
>
>> I prefer word perfect over word star but word star is
>> able to read my word files with no problem whether I
>> use the fast save feature or I don't.
>
>Word Star? AFAIK, there's no Linux version of Word Star, nor any recent
>version for ANY platform. AFAIK, it died many years ago. Do you mean
>Star Office? That's an entirely different product.
I'll try your suggestion and yes I meant Star Office. Is there an
explantion why Star Office has no problem and Word Perfect does?
Thanx in advance
Alan
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.perl.misc
Subject: Re: Viral matters [completely off-topic]
Date: 28 Jun 1999 12:47:20 -0400
Dan Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 24 Jun 1999, Dale Henderson wrote:
>
> > I am very aware of why there are few to no virus written for Unix
> > systems. It is because it would be impractical. As I've said
> > before, the only way to do any real damage on a Unix box is with
> > root access. And the practicality of hacking root in a virus is
> > nil.
>
> Unfortunately, "hacking root" is getting more practical all the time. For
> some reason, some people want Linux to "compete" with Microsoft. So in the
> interest of making Linux "easy to use", the Standard Operating Procedure
> is becoming:
>
> 1. Download anything you see on the net with a '.rpm' extension.
>
> 2. su root.
>
> 3. Type rpm -whatever.
>
> 4. Voila! Something happened! I have no idea what, but whatever it was,
> it ran as root!
true enough. however there's a good number of people doing
1) download anything you see on the net with a .tar.gz extension.
2) tar xvzf whatever
3) cd whatever
4) make
5) su root.
6) make install
you can have the build create whatever binaries you like. i do not
sift through all the source of everything i compile. i do not expect
most people do either.
if you simply assume that people are using i386 linux, it'd be a snap
to include a trojan horse binary (statically linked for maximum
portability) to be installed at the make install step. scripting
languages like perl are reasonably portable and could wreak havok as
well. this could trap a number of unsuspecting people.
granted, these types of shennanigan would be caught fairly early by
someone scrutinizing the sources and an alert would go out. however,
just because you do not use rpm doesn't make you safe.
remedies such as downloading from trusted ftp sites and using pgp
signatures apply to any format including both .tar.gz and .rpm.
> Now maybe /bin/ls is suid root and does something in addition to the
> standard functionality.
>
> Am I just being paranoid?
just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they really aren't out to
get you. ;-)
--
johan kullstam
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From: Miguel Lastra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: remote printing
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:53:43 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello
I jus upgraded form Suse 6.0 (2.0.36) to Suse 6.1 (2.2.27). I did
reinstall the whole system, and now remote printing is not working. When
I type lpq it says that the remote daemon is busy, but my other computer
with SUSE 6.0 can print flawleesly on the same remote printer.
Has something changed concerning the lpq daemon ??
Thanks in advance
Miguel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Burns)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:20:47 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> Because if you actually did this for a living, you would notice that
> now and then a customer will request a specific OS, and it's much more
> profitable to smile and take their money and give them what they want,
> than to try to convert them to your religion and sell them something
> else.
That sounds like the philosophy of a prostitute, not an IT professional.
The reason clients hire you for this kind of work is precisely because
they don't know how to put together a solution. If they did, they
wouldn't need you. A trained monkey can write them a receipt and deliver
a big truckload of equipment, but the job of a professional is to THINK
and use JUDGMENT to craft the best solution for the client.
Clients depend on your judgment about what they need, because in many
instances they're either uninformed or misinformed. Only an idiot or a
shyster would sell a client something just because they ask for it. You
can continue to sell your clients whatever they ask for if you want, but
I'm going to sell mine what they really need because that's what they
trust me to do.
> On the scale of Good Things and Bad Things that happen to people on
> this planet, the choice of operating system is only slightly less
> important than deciding if you want a burger or hot dog for lunch.
Tell that to the CEO of a multi-million dollar corporation whose business
operates on hot dogs and hamburgers.
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.general,redhat.x.general
Subject: ATI XPERT 98D 3D AGP
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:44:10 -0500
Has anyone any experience with the
ATI XPERT 98D AGP video card
which Dell now seems to provide on its desktop computers?
The ATI XPERT 98 is supported by XFree86, but I'm not
sure what the D means.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry)
Subject: Re: A couple of newbie questions
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 28 Jun 1999 12:21:23 -0600
On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:00:16 -0500, Ken Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This isn't a problem - just a newbie trying to understand the boot process.
>
>
>Second question:. After formatting a diskette with fdformat /dev/fd0H1440,
>the mount command gives a message about bad blocks or unknown file system.
>Do I need to make a file system on the newly formatted diskette?
>
just use the mtools commands. man mtools.
jut type all the dos commands you know with a m in front like:
mcopy, mdel, mformat and so on. Much easier.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry)
Subject: Re: Can't get linux to open
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 28 Jun 1999 12:21:24 -0600
On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:54:47 -0600, NEEDHELP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Have Linux set up on separate ( #4 ) Hard drive. When trying to open Linux
>from this drive, nothing happens.
What do you mean by open? What are you trying to do?
It sounds like you are trying to run linux from a prompt and you can't do
that.
Linux is an OS not a program.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (was: Mindcraft
Retest News
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 28 Jun 1999 17:23:29 GMT
On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:11:20 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:15:46 GMT, Anthony Ord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:56:07 +0100, Robin Becker
>>>a bit off topic, but an article in my paper, the Independent, states
>>>that M$'s encarta has different versions for different countries. If M$
>>>can claim in the US that Edison (October 1879) invented the electric
>>>light bulb before Swan (February 1879) then a few adjustments to
>>>benchmark results seem minor. Apparently the M$ mouthpiece says these
>>>sort of 'facts' aren't always black and white etc etc.
>>
>>It's just to appease the American public. Just like the
>>Second World War went from 1941 (when the Americans joined)
>>to 1945. What was it before that? A bun fight?
>
> Does Encarta say that? American public school textbooks
> certainly don't. Ours even covered the concentration camps.
you mean, the american-run concentration camps?
--
[Trim the no-bots from my address to reply to me by email!]
[ Do NOT email-CC me on posts. Pick one or the other.]
--------------------------------------------------
The word of the day is mispergitude
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From: "John Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: leafnode
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:07:38 -0700
Greg Weeks wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>In article <7l7l5j$4gv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Daniel Wagner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I wanted to setup a local news-server for offline reading and posting in
my home-LAN
>> and i decided to use leafnode cause i've heard that it's easy to use,
but now i've
>> got several problems.
>> 1. With "News-Readers" like Netscape, Krn or Outlook Express i only get
the groups
>> and the messagecount but no messages.
>> When i subscribe to a ng it doesn't get listed in the directory
>> /var/spool/news/interested.group (in leafnode documentation they wrote
there should
>> be a file with ng name for each subscribe ng.)
>
>Netscape has problems. What version of leafnode are you running? 1.7.?
>had problems like this with all readers.
The probable cause of this is that subscribing to a newsgroup does not
necessarily generate any requests to the news server. The subscription
information is all local to the newsreader. The only thing leafnode tracks
is requests for articles from a newsgroup, and requests for articles may or
may not be prompted by subscribing to the newsgroup.
Have you actually tried to *read* any of the newsgroups after subscribing
to them? If you try to read the newsgroup, and you see the placeholder
message, then leafnode should have created an entry in interesting.groups
for that newsgroup.
Outlook Express is kind of annoying in this was as well. If I want to check
on a very low volume newsgroup I sometimes need to reset the local index
files and reread the entire group from scratch to see the new postings.
--
John Hardin KA7OHZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
pgpk -a finger://gonzo.wolfenet.com/jhardin PGP key ID: 0x41EA94F5
PGP key fingerprint: A3 0C 5B C2 EF 0D 2C E5 E9 BF C8 33 A7 A9 CE 76
=======================================================================
In the Lion
the Mighty Lion
the Zebra sleeps tonight...
Dee de-ee-ee-ee-ee de de de we um umma way!
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From: vod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Why are things so screwy ?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:57:22 +0530
hi there,
These dayz i spend more time *trying* to get things to
work on Linux than actually doing anything productive.
It seems almost 80% of time is spent trying to compile *tar_gz
files and rpm'ing rpms that i download.
And more than half the times they dont compile straight-away.
======
eg: 1.
I wanted to install ghostview on my machine .
So i did "rpm -i gv*..rpm".
I got error saying failed dependecy libXaw3d.so.6
or whatever..not found
So i checked rpm -qal|grep 'libXaw3d'
and got /usr/lib.../libxaw3d..
i suppoes that means i have the file on my system.
Why is it then that i am getting 'failed dependecy libXaw3d.so.6' error.
======
eg: 2.
I wanted to install cooledit (a texteditor/IDE).
I downloaded all the required files.
Unzipped and un-tarred the files
Actually went thru the README and INSTALL files.
Made sure i has all the required libraries gtk and glibc etc
and the required versions.
Then i did:
./configure ## no errors reported here
make
then all hell broke loose and it spat the following errors at me:
gcc -O2 -s -Wall -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -I/usr/X11R6/include
-L/usr/X11R6/lib -o .libs/cooledit cooledit.o find.o editoptions.o
mancmd.o
options.o debug.o cooleditmenus.o shell.o mail.o complete.o manpage.o
percentsubs.o _coolpython.o ../widget/.libs/libCw.so -lX11 -Wl,--rpath
-Wl,/usr/local/lib
cooledit.o: In function serone_handler':
cooledit.o(.text+0x26): undefined reference to cgettext__'
cooledit.o(.text+0x62): undefined reference to cgettext__'
cooledit.o: In function uit_handler':
cooledit.o(.text+0xe6): undefined reference to cgettext__'
cooledit.o: In function et_next_hint_message':
cooledit.o(.text+0x1fa): undefined reference to cgettext__'
cooledit.o(.text+0x234): undefined reference to cgettext__'
cooledit.o(.text+0x2a0): more undefined references to cgettext__'
follow
make[2]: *** [cooledit] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory /usr/local/cooledit-3.10.0/editor'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory /usr/local/cooledit-3.10.0'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
Why is giving me the above mentioned error even though i have the
required libraries.? And if the libraires were not there or not the
required
version why didnt "configure" mention those errors or inadequecy?
======
these are just few of the un-successful attempts that i had to face.
======
The common cause seems to be make utility or rpms not being able to find
the
libraries even though they are there.
What can be done to remedy this, what are the possible ways to tell rpm
package where to look for libraries.?
======
Why is there so much inconsistency in the requirement of
the libraries that are needed by programs to compile.
Almost every program i download seems to require its own
set of libraries and versions of the same.
And i would request developers to post binaries, it would
save such a lot of time for persons who want to do some
work at Linux rather than spend dayz trying to figure how
to configure and compile.
======
Any tips or solutions or comments to my above mentioned problems would
be very welcome and much appreciated.
* I am running Redhat 5.2 .
--regards--
-V0D-
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From: Paul Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Printer broken with new kernel..
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:34:02 -0800
Yes, I have tried testing my printing devices to
see which might be active by doing:
cat test.txt > /dev/lp0
lp1
lp2
and I just get a ' No such device' error.
Thanks,
--Paul T.
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From: Silviu Minut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Newbie: Needs help selecting distribution
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:27:30 -0400
>
> Redhat is junk and buggy. The installer sux big time.
>
Junk? You're kidding me.
Most software has bugs. There is also the RedHat errata, right?
>
> SuSE is much smoother to install, have much better hardware supports,
> even FreeBSD is easier to install than RH.
>
So is Win95.
But I admit, I did hear good things about SuSE.
>
> That's why you see so many "Help" posts from people trying to install RH
> here.
>
Often those questions are general Linux questions (such as how do I mount a cd,
or how do I tell Linux I have 128M of ram, or "Can't open file" questions).
Those people just happen to run RedHat. I bet they would have asked those
questions regardless of distribution.
>
> Why? Because of all the noise RH have been getting lately.
> Check ZDNet, CNN news etc., they have articles on Redhat.
> And RH is becoming the M$ of the Linux world.
>
Lately.
>
> Get Caldera or SuSE. Forget Redhat.
>
> Alex Lam.
>
I don't want to turn this thread into a war of distributions, so maybe we
should leave it at this. Just one more thing.
My main point in the previous post was that various people will give diffrent
answers, that all is subjective.
Your post perfectly make my point.
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From: Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Help with crontab
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:35:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ken Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sudsy
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>I can't vouch for your particular system, but I've never worked on a system
>>where cron has died. As one of the oldest, simplest and most robust of the
>>system utilities, I no more worry about cron dying than I do inetd. JMHO.
>>
>
>Oh, I can't say as I've ever seen it die - I just like to see things
>happening rather than make any assumptions. Call it habit from doing years
>of tech support, the number one rule being "Never assume ANYTHING!".
Many systems come with a root cron job that syslogs something like
"--Mark--" periodically. If you don't see recent ones in your the file,
either cron or syslogd has stopped.
--
Barry Margolin, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GTE Internetworking, Powered by BBN, Burlington, MA
*** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups.
Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group.
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From: Chris Aiken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need opinion on cd-rom vendor?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:25:50 -0400
I've gotten CD's from them, however it seems to take a long
time. When I contact them about the delay they indicate my
CD's are "on back order". Typical response. My Applix CD's
are still on back order for three weeks now.
...cwa
Bob wrote:
> Has anyone ever had any problems with CDs from Linux System Labs
> (http://www.lsl.com)? It seems that their discs are even cheaper than
> Cheapbytes.com. I just want to know if their stuff is any good. Please
> reply. Thanks in advance.
>
> Bob
--
===================================================================
Definition of Windows 95:
A 32 bit upgrade to 16 bit extensions for an 8 bit operating system
designed to run on a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that
doesn't like 1 bit of competition.
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From: "Eirik Wilberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: ISPS
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:19:54 +0200
We really need a free, flat rate isp that supports linux, world wide
Darren Paxton skrev i meldingen <7l7mgq$eg8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I am just posting this message to gauge some feedback from the Linux
>community in the world.
>
>Since Microsoft has the dominating share in the market of computing (I
>do not think anyone would doubt this statement), every ISP in the world
>is generally based on Microsoft. As we all know, this is a very
>annoying factor for those of us who wish to connect through our Linux
>boxes. The only way that we do connect is by hacking the dns servers
>and trying to find out from technical support what authentications are
>used, etc.
>
>What I would like to ask you all, if any of your ISPs (and where they
>are based), FULLY support Linux. Personally, I have used Freeserve
>(don't ask). Softnet (not bad), and In2Home (also, not bad). Now, I am
>using a dialup script to my old university (the only script for
>connecting that has actually worked for me).
>
>Obviously, with the popularity of, and curiosity about Linux increasing
>all the time, does anyone feel, like I do, that its about time the ISPs
>start supporting Linux?
>
>Like I have stated before, I have had major problems connecting to the
>UK service Freeserve through Linux, and through the newsgroups, I
>tracked down about 10 different methods to connect. I do not know if I
>had maybe done something wrong with the scripting or whatever, but I
>just gave up. My idea is, wouldn't it be better if, when you want to
>connect to the ISP, they give you a CD, or even a disk, that contains
>the relevant scripting, or even a tar archive or an rpm with a dialer
>script.
>
>If there were some SUPPORTED way of connecting, then it would make it
>easier for some of the less "tooled-up" scripters among us.
>
>Any comments would be greatly received.
>
>Also, if there are any ISP admins reading this, then please, guys, help
>us out here.
>
>Thanx
>
>--
>Darren Paxton
>
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>Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Documentation issues.
Date: 28 Jun 1999 18:18:46 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In gnu.misc.discuss, Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> It might have been a parser hack. I don't care. As I said, I *prefer*
>> explicit markup. I'm sorry you don't, but I think making a personal
>> preference like that the basis of an argument against SGML is a little
>> unreasonable.
>It's not just a personal preference; explicit markup takes longer to write
>without automated tools.
My experience is that implicit markup doesn't save any time, and is a source
of errors if the "friendly" markup is complex.
>Excessively verbose markup languages are also harder to read in the raw.
>I offer this example all the time: Compare <strong>word</strong> to
>B<word>. Which of those constructs makes it easier for your eye to find
>the content rather than the markup?
<B/word/ or <strong/word/. You don't need to use the <>...</> form unless
you're marking up something that contains metacharacters.
>TeX is a little better than a lot of SGML, with \textbf{word}, but is
>still rather verbose.
What's the difference between \textbf{word} and <strong/word/?
--
In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
`-_-' Ar rug t� barr�g ar do mhact�re inniu?
'U` "Be vewy vewy quiet...I'm hunting Jedi." -- Darth Fudd
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Subject: Re: password forgot
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:50:07 GMT
On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:38:31 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (YS LOW) wrote:
>Dear All
>
>I forgot my linux root password , how do retrieve it?
Method 1:
- Boot from your rescue disk,
- mount your harddrive under the /mnt directory
- edit your /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files to remove root's password
- unmount your harddrive
- shutdown -r now
Method 2:
- at the lilo prompt, enter linux single
- (assuming singleuser doesn't have a logon prompt)
- run the passwd command
- telinit 4
>
>Regards
>
>From Yong
Lew Pitcher
System Consultant, Integration Solutions Architecture
Toronto Dominion Bank
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employer's.)
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