Linux-Misc Digest #835, Volume #20 Mon, 28 Jun 99 20:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: NT the best web platform? (Alex Lam)
Re: Which Linux for beginner?
Re: TRYING TO MAKE OS, NEED HELP (Adam Wozniak)
Where to post requests for project help (Douglas Loss)
Re: NT the best web platform? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Printer broken with new kernel.. (jik-)
Re: Which Linux for beginner? (Alex Lam)
Re: Screen Resolution.... (Greg Steckman)
Re: HELP! Netscape doesn't recognize dialed-up connections ("Marco Ermini")
Re: Shared libs: DLL hell for Linux ("Anthony W. Youngman")
Re: Netscape from SUSE 6.1 CD won't work, library problem? (/gf/)
Wordperfect and color printing (Vinh Le)
Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks (George Genovezos)
Unusual? Script needed... ("r.tolga")
Re: Linux jingle (Steve)
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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:13:11 -0700
Larry wrote:
>
> On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:10:04 -0700, Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Jason Haar wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 18:59:18 -0700, Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > But still. Speed is not everything for a server. I 'd choose stability
> >> > over speed anytime.
> >>
> >> PEOPLE!, PEOPLE!!!
> >>
> >> The primary (only?) reason IIS outperforms Apache is that IIS agressively
> >> caches accessed pages in RAM. It has been written to do this (i.e. apache
> >> running of a ramdisk will still not approach this as it still has to do all
> >> those fs calls). If you test against an IIS server using "ab", you'll note
> >> the slowest hit to be WAY slower than the slowest Apache hit - that is
> >> probably a better indicator of performance :-)
> >>
> >> We've found IIS to be too unstable and basically sh*tty to bother with (ever
> >> tried to get it to acknowlegde you've edited a page - try restarting the
> >> SERVER...) - Apache on Unix and NT is used here...
> >>
> >NT IIS should "out perform" Linux/Apache, considering that how many
> >millions of dollars have been spent on it.
> >
> >But pure speed is not the important issue. Sure, the Formula One race
> >car is super fast and everything... But can you drive a F-1 car
> >everyday in commute without it breaking down every day, or every
> >couple hours? ;-)
> >
> >All is not lost for the Linux community here. As a long time user of
> >M$ products - since DOS, I am switching over to Linux and FreeBSD.
> >The tests are NOT going to change my mind.
> >
> >Tired of rebooting/reinstalling Windblown on a daily/monthly basis.
>
> I've been using Linux now going on 4 years and went over to my brothers
> house yesterday to help him config his sound card to work in a dos session
> (or whatever you call it in windows) under windows. In the space of 1 hour
> we had to reboot his machine 7 times and never could get the card to work.
> It works for winblows specific programs but if we tried to run a dos program
> under windows we couldn't use the sound features. All the reboots were due
> to lockups. We set program to have the same A,I and D as the Windows setup
> had but all we would get from the speakers was a click and a lockup.
>
> Lockup, lockup, lockup, crash, crash, crash, reboot, reboot, reboot.
>
Yeah. Tell me about it.
> I've been telling him about Linux for a long time now but he's like most
> winblows users, he's afraid to change. I guess he thinks B.G. will send a
> hit squad after him or something.
>
> I personally have never used win except at work and can see no real need for
> it except now they are writing win specific games and if you want to play
> them you have to have windows. I have been considering installing a basic
> setup (if you can get such a thing in winblows) on a seperate drive just to
> play games on. I hate the thought of it but until the Linux community starts
> getting ports of these games to our OS, we are going to be stuck with doing
> work on Linux and playing games on winders.
>
I'm not into games. But I still use Winblowns for entertainment purposes
only.
Yeah, Windblowns are good if you only play games.
> Yeah I know about Quake and doom but these are old and I have already played
> them to death.
>
Never got into games.
Alex
> TO SOFTWARE WRITERS::
>
> You write 'em.. We'll buy 'em.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Which Linux for beginner?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:00:00 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stewart Honsberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:31:08 GMT, Artur Leung wrote:
>> I am interested in setting up Linux besides my usual Win95/NT
>>environment. I came across the Slakware and RedHat Linux. Which one
>>should I install? What is the major difference between these two
>>products? Any info. is welcome.
>
....<snip>...I'm actually responding only to the original(?) post of Artur
Leung, which I missed, not to Stewart Honsberger's reply, which I snipped.
At various times I've tried distros from Slackware, Yggdrasil, RedHat, Debian,
Suse, TurboLinux, Caldera, and Mandrake (that's just what I remember off the
top of my head, they must know me at cheapbytes by now.) My first linux was
Slackware on 50 diskettes. At the time (1994?) my only computer was a laptop
with no modem and no CD-Rom and Slackware was available on diskettes so I
took what I could get. After installing that on a laptop with 4 meg of ram
and a 250MB hard drive, all other installations (except maybe Debian) have
seemed rather simple to me. However, it does seem like there are two main
categories of distributions. First there are the Debian/Slackware kind (I
still like Slackware best BTW), which require more knowledge of what you're
doing, and 2nd are the Redhat, Caldera, SuSE, Mandrake kind, which are
supposed to be easier for a newcomer. I was already experienced with Unix
when I got my first Linux distro so it's not easy for me to put myself in
the position of newbie, but I would say get one of the easy ones (a lot of
people praise SuSE, my only experience with it was a demo CD that
that was effectively negative advertising for the company) but I've seen a
Caldera and a Mandrake that I kinda liked, and Redhat, which seems to get a
lot of knocks in this newsgroup worked OK also just for getting something
up and running, proving to yourself that yes, your machine could run linux.
But, I really think Slackware is the way to go. Debian maybe, although there
seems to be a curse on me with Debian which is too complicated and subtle
to explain here. Buy a few distributions at one of the cheap IP stores at
$2.00 a pop and try them out. You'll get your prompt up quickly from your
Redhat/Caldera/whatever distro, and maybe try a few things, but as you go
along, if you're an explorer, you'll begin to get curious about what's
happening under the hood, how to tweak things, how to download and install
a source package, as the initial information/experiential overload abaits
and you can digest a manual or a HOWTO, I think you might start to consider
something like slack.
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Crossposted-To: alt.mud.programming,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: TRYING TO MAKE OS, NEED HELP
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Wozniak)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:52:23 GMT
Jon A. Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:09:40 GMT, Serge Wagener said:
>>
>>That remebers me the good old time when Linus said "Hey guys, i'm
>>writing an OS !" ...
>>
>>And remember, he did !
>>
>
>Even Linus didn't start from scratch. Linux is a heavily modified
>stock OS. :P
>
Odd. I've been running Linux since kernel version 0.11
I could have sworn Linus started from scratch. Otherwise how
could he release anything under an open source license?
Here's what I dug up. Anybody got anything older?
% From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
% Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
% Subject: What would you like to see most in minix?
% Summary: small poll for my new operating system
% Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]%
% Date: 25 Aug 91 20:57:08 GMT
% Organization: University of Helsinki
%
%
% Hello everybody out there using minix -
%
% I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
% professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones. This has been brewing
% since april, and is starting to get ready. I'd like any feedback on
% things people like/dislike in minix, as my OS resembles it somewhat
% (same physical layout of the file-system (due to practical reasons)
% among other things).
%
% I've currently ported bash(1.08) and gcc(1.40), and things seem to work.
% This implies that I'll get something practical within a few months, and
% I'd like to know what features most people would want. Any suggestions
% are welcome, but I won't promise I'll implement them :-)
%
% Linus ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
%
% PS. Yes - it's free of any minix code, and it has a multi-threaded fs.
% It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never
% will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I have :-(.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas Loss)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Where to post requests for project help
Date: 28 Jun 1999 18:13:12 -0500
I help manage the educational section of SEUL, Simple End-User Linux
<http://www.seul.org>. This section is dedicated to fostering
educational applications for Linux <http://www.seul.org/edu/>. We
have a number of projects under development currently, with plans for
more.
One of the things we've noticed is that we have a number of tasks for
these various projects that the project leaders would like some help with;
things like documentation, testing, graphics, etc. in addition to coding.
We put occasional requests for such help on the seul-edu mailing list, but
we never get enough responses to fill the open jobs.
We'd like to post a list of both long-term and short-term jobs for our
projects at places where they'll get the widest exposure (and will attract
the most responses), but we're not sure where those places might be. I
thought that these two newsgroups might be a good place for such a list,
but I figured I'd ask for advice before actually posting the list.
So, what do you think? Where's the best place for us to publicize our
needs? BTW, please take a look at our site, and join us if you find it
interesting.
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(570) 326-3987 the corrupt few.
George Bernard Shaw
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: 28 Jun 1999 22:19:39 GMT
On 28 Jun 1999 15:29:13 -0600, Larry wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:10:04 -0700, Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Yeah I know about Quake and doom but these are old and I have already played
>them to death.
Have you heard of Quake 2 ? (-;
I think the main issue with game ports is that linux needs better video
drivers. Quake2 is usable, but nowhere near as fast as it is on windows.
--
Donovan
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From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Printer broken with new kernel..
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:07:17 -0700
Paul Thomas wrote:
>
> Yes, I have tried testing my printing devices to
> see which might be active by doing:
>
> cat test.txt > /dev/lp0
> lp1
> lp2
>
> and I just get a ' No such device' error.
Well, only thing I can suggest then is you got the args to paraport
wrong. Mine are:
/sbin/modprobe parport_pc
Thats the default in slack 4.0 and seems to be working for me just fine.
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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which Linux for beginner?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:59:51 -0700
William Wueppelmann wrote:
>
> In our last episode (Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:31:08 GMT),
> the artist formerly known as Artur Leung said:
> >Hi,
> >
> > I am interested in setting up Linux besides my usual Win95/NT
> >environment. I came across the Slakware and RedHat Linux. Which one
> >should I install?
>
> Slackware, because once you get it set up and configured, you will no
> longer be a beginner.
>
> Seriously though, if your main objective is to learn about Linux, don't
> choose a distribution because it makes it easy for you to do things without
> understanding them. The distribution you start with isn't the distribution
> you have to stick with for all time.
>
> If your goal is to learn rather than to instantly get a Linux system up and
> running, do it the hard way; it's more educational.
>
I hear you. :)
> FWIW, my first attempt at installing Linux was with Slackware (and from
> floppy disks at that) and while I didn't get it right the first, second, or
> third time, it was certainly a valuable experience. I later tried Redhat
> and then finally tried Debian, which I was immediately impressed by and
> which I've used ever since.
>
My first ever Linux installation was with Slackware (pre ELF days.)
... Took me 3 pots of STRONG (French double roast and Java mix)
coffee...2 cold pizzas... tearing my hair out for thirty some hours to
accomplish the basic installation, and another week to set it up.
Alex Lam.
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From: Greg Steckman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Screen Resolution....
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:46:40 -0700
Good point. When I run Xconfigurator it always crashes when it starts
"detecting" video modes...and I never actually get to the point where it
asks you about resolutions (I didn't even know it had that feature!). Boy
did I get a crash course in XF86Config writing when I installed (first
time installing linux...btw this was with Red Hat 6.0 and a Mach 64 card
in case anyone wants to try to fix this (bug?)...). I always backup the
config files before the automated programs start messing with them.
Leonard Evens wrote:
> lyte wrote:
>
> > Chris Knapp wrote:
> >
> >> ...how do I change it under RH6? I used the default install
> >> resolution
> >> (1280X1024), and its a tad small for my 17" monitor. I looked in
> >> the Gnome
> >> config panel and there are lots of options for backgrpunds, themes,
> >> etc, but
> >> I can't find a place to reduce the screen resolution.
> >>
> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >
> > run Xconfigurator as root and set up a lower resolution. The program
> > name is case sensitive btw.
> > Cheers.
> >
> > --
> > Joey Olson
> >
> > #RedHat OnLine
> > http://www.thecomputergallery.com/redhat
> >
> >
>
> It would be wise to keep a copy of
> /etc/X11/XF86Config
> so that if you can't get Xconfigurator to produce something
> decent, you can go back to your original configuration.
>
> --
>
> Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
> Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: "Marco Ermini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: HELP! Netscape doesn't recognize dialed-up connections
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:55:45 +0100
U.V. Ravindra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Another question: is it possible to pop up X terms/windows on my
> Linux box (this side of the firewall, with its server assigned IP
> address and all) from the Unix boxes on the "other side"? How?
> (How will the Unix machine resolve the addess of my Linux box)?
>
> I tried export DISPLAY=<myLinuxBoxName>:0.0 but the Unix box
> spat in my face! :-(
Don't know about Netscape, but
with X displays you could export the
IP address. Of course the LinuxBoxName
is not recognized by the foreign server
because you're in a dial-up connection,
but you could type xhost + to authorize
the remote server to connect to your X
server and use export
DISPLAY=dial.up.ip.address:0.0 and run
a program from the foreign machine as an
X client.
Bye
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From: "Anthony W. Youngman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Shared libs: DLL hell for Linux
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:11:48 +0100
Reply-To: "Anthony W. Youngman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In article <7l8aob$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Eric Y. Chang <ericc@nntp-
server.caltech.edu> writes
>Anthony W. Youngman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>...
>: is still libc5 based. And StarOffice came with the libraries required
>: (and instructions) to install it on a libc5 system, as it used glibc2.
>
>...
>
>Is this why forcing a StarOffice install renders a system unbootable?
>
Wouldn't have thought so. When I installed it, it simply refused to run
until I told it where to find the glibc libs. But I only gave it a
cursory look, because the month after? it was on PcPlus, they had
WordPerfect - and I'm planning to PAY for WPOffice2000/linux, so that
tells you what I think of that!
They say Windows is intuitive - I find Word one of the most obscure
pieces of software I've ever used. WordPerfect 5.1 for *DOS* just barged
its way to "number one fave" of mine because it was so easy and
intuitive for me to use :-) (plus I found I could dig into its
internals, like the techie I am :-)
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:42:19 +0000
From: /gf/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape from SUSE 6.1 CD won't work, library problem?
Hello Ronald,
This seems to be a classical problem in the meantime. Under Suse 6.1
you have to install Applix to get libstdc++.so.2.8. Hide it,
de-install
Applix, unhide the library again.
Or just put a simlink named libstdc++.so.2.8 to the 2.7.8 version: it
will work. It works for me.
Regards
--
gianfranco accardo
gfa2c ibm.net
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From: Vinh Le <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Wordperfect and color printing
Date: 28 Jun 1999 22:57:57 GMT
Hey,
Just a quick question: Does Wordperfect 8 support color
printing in the retail version? The free downloadable
version has the option ghosted. Obtaining the key
doesn't add the feature either.
Thanks!
Vinh
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:56:17 -0400
From: George Genovezos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks
Yeah and Mac copied the gui, networking, mouse... from Xerox.
Kevin Flanagan wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.x Fran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > How's the quote go?
> > "Great programmers borrow great code"
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in article <7k8afh$kqc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >> Except for the fact that Bill Gates didn't even write DOS. He bought one
> >> form someone else. The story of Gates and Microsoft, since they can't
> >> inovate, buy it, steal it or copy it. That's why M$'s stuff sucks so
> >> bad. They didn't write half the products they release! They just hack up
> >> the stuff the buy, and steal, the stuff the copy they haven't got a clue
> >> on how to write in the first place!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In article <7k628a$avv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> "ajr-5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > <snip>
> >> > >
> >> > > If we all smart as Bill Gates, he wouldn't be as rich as tody. Just
> >> > > because he noticed PC will have feuture before IBM did. So we got
> >> > > windows today.
> >> >
> >> > Actually, IBM hired Billy Gates to build them DOS, so actually, IBM
> >> thought
> >> > the PC had a future as well. And furthermore Windowz was copied from
> >> Mac so
> >> > don't give Gates too much credit. If Macs didn't have a GUI who knows
> >> what
> >> > we would have today...
> >> >
> >> > BTW: I'm not defending Macs, that's just the way it is (was)...
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
> >>
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From: "r.tolga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux
Subject: Unusual? Script needed...
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 02:30:08 +0300
I want a script or a program whatever else,
to control the ppp users' online time.
I want them to have a, say one hour time limit on
the internet. Once the limit is timed out i want the ppp
deamon
to shutdown the modem connection for that user and will not
permit
to have a second, third etc. connection through the modem
that day.
In this case a reboot should not affect the time limit!
Now, is there a program for the above considerations, or an
option
somewhere in the linux box to do that.
If there is not how can it be done? Any ideas?
thanx in advance.
please reply both to discussion and personel.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve)
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux jingle
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:55:37 GMT
How about "Send in the Geeks" sung to the tune of Send in the Clowns?
For starters:
Aren't they weird?
Aren't they strange?
Hacking all nite with a look quite deranged.
Never take baths.
God do they smell.
Looking like homeless, but God who can tell.
Sex what is that?
I'd much rather hack.
Why have a female when I have my Slack.
Well you get the idea...
On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:52:36 -0600, Fernando
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Satisfaction!!
>
>James Thurston wrote:
>>
>> WIndows '95 used the Rolling Stones' "Start Me Up" - I wonder what
>> other Stones song would be suitable for Linux.... Hmmm.....
>>
>> Mothers' Little Helper?
>>
>> {grin}
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