Linux-Misc Digest #859, Volume #20               Wed, 30 Jun 99 11:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Looking for date.c (Graham Gough)
  Re: Mac-emulation on Linux? (Matthew Pritzker)
  Re: What does NT wear? ("Chris L")
  Re: Need Iomega Ditto 3200 (3.2G)  Tape Drive info ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  How to add a rc.local file ? (Chris Aiken)
  Re: Linux systems- Poor security ("Chris L")
  Re: How to add a rc.local file ? (Jon Skeet)
  spam filters for users (Neil Zanella)
  How to disable PAM? (Ian Briggs)
  Re: Default file permissions (Tobias Anderberg)
  Re: Documentation issues. (Christopher B. Browne)
  Re: HELP PLEASE: can't play CDs under Linux (Julius Longauer)
  Re: seti@home and /dev/nul (Equinox)
  [Quest] Acer RW-6206A ("Bunbi")
  Re: first/second/third world (Greg Yantz)
  Re: Kernel v2.3.8 : fs/fat/file.c (Unclebob)
  Re: Netscape: can't load libXt.so.6 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  seti@home and /dev/nul (Mitch Urquhart)
  Re: NIC settings: what have i done?? (Gerhard Kowar EWW GM)
  Re: seti@home and /dev/nul (Peter Van Loock)
  Meaning of word ,,hacker'' (Arkadiusz Danilecki)
  Beating MS and a manifestation of tradition. ("Timothy Rue")
  sread??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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From: Graham Gough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Looking for date.c
Date: 30 Jun 1999 13:15:30 +0100

$$ which date
/bin/date
/tmp: $$ rpm -qif /bin/date
Name        : sh-utils                    Distribution: Manhattan 
Version     : 1.16                              Vendor: Red Hat Software
Release     : 14                            Build Date: Wed Aug  5 20:15:36 1998
Install date: Wed Jun  9 17:38:43 1999      Build Host: porky.redhat.com
Group       : Utilities/System              Source RPM: sh-utils-1.16-14.src.rpm
Size        : 345899                           License: GPL
Packager    : Red Hat Software <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Summary     : GNU shell utilities
Description :
The GNU shell utilities provide many of the basic common commands
used (among other things) for shell programming, hence the name.
Nearly all shell scripts use at least one of these programs.

-- 
Graham D. Gough, Department of Computer Science,
University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester, M13 9PL, U.K.
Tel: (+44) 161 275 6277   FAX: (+44) 161 275 6204
WWW: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/fmethods/people/gdg/graham-gough.html

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From: Matthew Pritzker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Re: Mac-emulation on Linux?
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 06:41:48 -0500

Anthony D. Saxton wrote:

> SheepShaver's fine for those of us privilidged few using the PowerPC version
> of linux. It won't help anyone that doesn't have a PREP, BeBox or PowerMac
> though.

Given that SheepShaver started out on the BeBox, I find that hard to
believe.  All you need is a MacOS ROM image, and given that iMac and
later systems have the ROM sitting as a file in the System Folder, it
shouldn't be especially hard for you to acquire one.

-- 
====================
Matthew Pritzker                Graduate Research Assistant
[EMAIL PROTECTED]       IU Physics Dept.

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From: "Chris L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What does NT wear?
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:36:38 -0500

Bones wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:03:09 +0000, "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>>Timothy Kelley wrote:
>>> There was a PC Week benchmark done in Feb 99 that showed linux beating
>>> the pants off NT in single CPU machines.
>
>>A lot of people have said this, but does NT wear pants? Maybe Linux
>>is beating the lingerie off NT, or the dress. Or maybe Linux is just
spanking
>>naked NT butt.
>
>I think NT is wearing shorts. It must get awful hot in that case with
>all that RAM and all those hard drives.
>
>
>
>----
>Bones


    I think its a sheep in wolves clothing. Thinks it's bad to the bone but
it ain't sh*t.

->Coming from a former (well I still have to...sometimes) NT admin who now
tries to type ls, man, ps, etc at the NT command prompt (after only a month
using Linux) ;) Thank god for Cygwin.

Chris L.
- Make way for the new king!



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Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.setup.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.sys.hp.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Need Iomega Ditto 3200 (3.2G)  Tape Drive info
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:41:54 -0400

On 06/29/99 at 10:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ron Gibson) said:

>I'm considering getting an Iomega 3200 (3.2 G) floppy connected internal
>tape backup.

Wow... that's GOTTA be slow.

Why don't you try a DITTOEASY 3200 external Parallel port.
Works with Backmaster just fine in Warp4 (that is until FP10 zapped it).

-- 
=======================================
Andrey Lasichuk ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
=======================================



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From: Chris Aiken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux
Subject: How to add a rc.local file ?
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:32:50 -0400

I would like to run several "insmod" commands at boot up.
I understand that one of the easiest ways to do this is to
add theses commands to the /etc/rc.local file.  However
my SuSE 6.1 does not have a /etc/rc.local file.  How can I add
one or is there a different file to look at with SuSE ?

--
===================================================================
Definition of Windows 95:
A 32 bit upgrade to 16 bit extensions for an 8 bit operating system
designed to run on a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that
doesn't like 1 bit of competition.



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From: "Chris L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux systems- Poor security
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:42:42 -0500

Sean C. wrote in message <7lb6tf$b4h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Testify!!
>Great post, Klaas had a good point, however- Glen is pretty much on the
>money on this one. A horse is a horse, just as bad security is well, just
>that- bad security.
>
>P.S. it should be noted that I am *very new* to Linux (RedHat6) and
>networking in general, but the more of these (posts) that I read, the less
>I get flamed for being a newbie ;^D
>
>Glen Turner wrote:
>> Klaas Barends wrote:
>> >
>> > There is nothing a cracker would enjoy more then a canned setup. Then
>he
>> > knows exactly where the holes are.
>> > A canned security setup is just as bad as no security setup.
>>
>> What crap.  A machine by definition has a level of security,
>> even if it is a poor level of security.
>>
>> Asking for an increased level of default security is a win
>> in two respects:
>>
>>  1) it gives added protection to naive users.  You can't expect
>>     all Linux users to be good system administrators.  Hopefully
>>     some people are actually using Linux to get useful work done,
>>     and thus don't have much time for sysadm tasks.
>>
>>  2) it reduces the time taken for sysadms to move from the default
>>     level of security to a level of security they are happy with.
>>
>> For an exmaple, just setting the default TCP Wrappers to limit
>> access to IP addresses from within the domain would defeat the
>> network scanning script kiddies.
<snip sig>

Maybe there should be a short quiz that would be necessary to gain root
access.

Login>root
Password>3MTA3
Q1>
Q2>
Q3>
....
Ok you're smart enough to use root. Login accepted.
or
Not! No root for you. Read the man/info pages and try again at a later date.

Chris



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Skeet)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: How to add a rc.local file ?
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:54:50 +0100

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I would like to run several "insmod" commands at boot up.
> I understand that one of the easiest ways to do this is to
> add theses commands to the /etc/rc.local file.  However
> my SuSE 6.1 does not have a /etc/rc.local file.  How can I add
> one or is there a different file to look at with SuSE ?

Have a look for /etc/rc.d/rc.local - that's probably what you're after.

If it's not there, try creating (in the usual way, but as root) an 
innocuous script such as:

#!/bin/sh
echo rc.local called > /etc/rc.local.working

Then make it executable (chmod a+x /etc/rc.d/rc.local) and reboot.
Finally, have a look and see if /etc/rc.local.working is present and 
contains the text "rc.local called". If it's there, then your script is 
working.

-- 
Jon Skeet - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/

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From: Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: spam filters for users
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:23:34 -0230


Hello,

I am looking for a spam filter that I can easily install in my home 

directory without needing root access to block out all e-mail from a list of

specific e-mail addresses and specific domains.

Thanks for your help,

Neil

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Briggs)
Subject: How to disable PAM?
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:15:38 GMT

Is it possible to disable PAM for login?  (It's for a rescue disk which
doesn't need massive security.)

My Linux manual says "you probably already have PAM installed", which
suggests that it's optional rather than vital.  I've looked at the PAM
sysadmin manual, but I can't see where PAM-usage gets switched on.

Ian

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tobias Anderberg)
Subject: Re: Default file permissions
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:21:49 +0200


>> If I have a directory '/foo/bar', is it possible to set an "umask" on just
>> that directory. I want all the files created in that directory to recieve a
>> special permission whilst files created elsewhere get the usual permissions.
>> Is it possible?
>
>Well, there's a grotty hack that you could put in which would do *some* 
>of what you want. Alias cd so that it checks for the presence of a 
>special file (eg .umask ?) in the directory you want to change to, and 
>changes your umask appropriately. Note that that wouldn't do things for 
>all *files* in that directory, only files you created when you were *in* 
>that directory. Probably not what you want, but thought I'd mention the 
>idea...

Hmm. Not really what I want no, but the idea is good for further studying :-)
The best solution I've seen so far has been to set up a macro in VIM (or some
other editor) that automatically set the permission on a file upon save. But I
would also like the permissions to change when you copy/move a file to that
directory. Why? Just a fun thing.. :-)

Btw, the VIM macro to change permissions on save (thanks Fredrik):

:autocmd BufWritePost,FileWritePost *.pl !chmod 700 <afile>

/tobias

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To:  gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.text.sgml,comp.text.xml
Subject: Re: Documentation issues.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:30:57 GMT

On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:20:56 GMT, Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) writes:
>
>>> Yes, it's complex.  But you only need to understand all of it if
>>> you're designing a complete publishing system.
>
>> *Total* understanding may only be needed for design of a complete
>> system, but one needs fairly encyclopaedic understanding in order to
>> customize things or to fix problems that come up.
>
>So, you're saying that in order to use MS Word, you need to know the
>user interface, the file format, the Win32 API, and HPCL or
>Postscript? 

In order to troubleshoot MS Word problems properly, YES, I'd say you
need to know those sorts of things.

The fact that MSFT embeds pieces so as to hide them from view makes
troubleshooting a whole lot harder.  If their software were more robust
than "industry averages," this might be less of a problem.  But they're
not generally considered purveyors of "the *most* reliable software,"
so this makes life more difficult still.
-- 
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.  
-- Henry Spencer          <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."

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From: Julius Longauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: HELP PLEASE: can't play CDs under Linux
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:19:19 +0200

U.V. Ravindra wrote:
> 
> I have SuSE 6.1 on a Gateway 2000 PC with a
>  Mitsumi 13x/32x CDROM drive.
> 
> I'm trying to use xmcd to play audio CDs.  The cd is
> recognized by Linux, but there's no sound emanating from
> the speakers.
> 
> What's the problem?
> 
Who knows. Your problem description isn't specific
enough. What's about your sound card? Do you use
sound modules or OSS? Are you able to play normal
audio files? In SuSE 6.1 sound modules are turned
off by default to allow OSS to function without
problems.

Julius

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Equinox)
Subject: Re: seti@home and /dev/nul
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:35:42 GMT

On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:04:56 -0500, Mitch Urquhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>I am trying to run a little program called "setia@home" which spits
>out alot of crapola on the console,   if I try to redirect the
>output to /dev/nul as a regular user (not root),
>I get:
>"bash: /dev/nul: Permission denied  "
>   Why can't a regular user redirect to /dev/nul ?

Try adding another 'l' to the end of your device name... /dev/null
might work a little better.


--Russell

===================================================
email (spam-disabled):
lord *underscore* equinox *at* mindspring *dot* com

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From: "Bunbi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Quest] Acer RW-6206A
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:40:08 -0400
Reply-To: "Bunbi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I have installed a re-writable CDROM made by Acer RW-6206A and amd using the
latest verion of xcdroast with cdrecord-1.6 software.  Everything works just
fine, except I don't seem to be able to erase/blank a non-empty re-writable
CD before burning the CD.  Everytime that I need to burn a non-empty
re-writable CD, I have to switch to my NT-4 and use the Adaptec directCD to
erase/blank the CD.

Can anyone please help?


--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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From: Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: 30 Jun 1999 10:38:17 -0400

Rob Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > Tahiti; the atrocities committed by the recently ousted regime can
> > be directly attributed to the USA since Uncle Sam is the one who all
> > but killed Aristide and even now refuses to let Aristide serve out
> > the remainder of his term as President. Tahiti has trouble feeding
> > its own population and yet it is a net *exporter* of food (one guess
> > where the food's going); nuts and such.

Are you referring to Haiti? *laugh* Moron.

-Greg

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Unclebob)
Subject: Re: Kernel v2.3.8 : fs/fat/file.c
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:52:15 GMT

On or about Wed, 30 Jun 1999 03:17:58 GMT, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

=> Has anyone run into this problem and solved it? What the heck,
=> I'm gonna try it. All I have to lose, is a few months of work!
=> Hah! Danger is my middle name. Well, I'll post the results, but,
=> if someone has any better info, please let me know! Thanks
=> Binesh Bannerjee

Binesh Danger Bannerjee has to be the sig of the year!!

-- 
unclebob at nym dot alias dot net                                             |
__________________________________
'idiot box (id'ee-ut) n. singular'
'linux box connected to an idiot.'
==================================

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Subject: Re: Netscape: can't load libXt.so.6
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 30 Jun 1999 02:26:48 -0700

"per_adua32" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I recently installed netscape 4.6 from a public ftp site.
> I followed the instructions given and tried to use netscape
> after starting X window, by typing 'netscape' in an xterm
> window.
> 
> The following error was printed:
> netscape: can't load library 'libXt.so.6'

Make sure that libXt.so.6 is in /usr/X11/lib and is a link
to a real library.  Run ldconfig -v as root in that xterm
to be sure it is maping libXt.so.6....if not edit /etc/ld.so.conf
to look in /usr/X11R6/lib...if it is then there is some sort
of wierd problem.

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From: Mitch Urquhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: seti@home and /dev/nul
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:04:56 -0500

I am trying to run a little program called "setia@home" which spits
out alot of crapola on the console,   if I try to redirect the
output to /dev/nul as a regular user (not root),
I get:
"bash: /dev/nul: Permission denied  "
   Why can't a regular user redirect to /dev/nul ?

... Mitch

--
=====================================================
   Mitchell Urquhart - Open Systems Engineer
              [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   --- We are all excited and enthused by hope, ---
   --- But a true scientist waits for the data. ---
=====================================================



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From: Gerhard Kowar EWW GM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: de.comp.os.unix.linux.hardware,de.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: NIC settings: what have i done??
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:48:16 +0200

in /etc/conf.modules

alias eth0 3c503
alias eth1 3c509
options 3c503 io=0x280 irq=10
options 3c509 io=0x300 irq=12

or read the boot-prompt-howto

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From: Peter Van Loock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: seti@home and /dev/nul
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:00:20 +0200

Mitch Urquhart wrote:
> 
> I am trying to run a little program called "setia@home" which spits
> out alot of crapola on the console,   if I try to redirect the
> output to /dev/nul as a regular user (not root),
> I get:
> "bash: /dev/nul: Permission denied  "
>    Why can't a regular user redirect to /dev/nul ?
> 
> ... Mitch
> 
> --
> =====================================================
>    Mitchell Urquhart - Open Systems Engineer
>               [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>    --- We are all excited and enthused by hope, ---
>    --- But a true scientist waits for the data. ---
> =====================================================


Try /dev/null (two times the letter 'l'). That might work.

-- 
Composed in a 99% Microsoft-free environment (I do need the mouse)

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From: Arkadiusz Danilecki            <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Meaning of word ,,hacker''
Date: 30 Jun 1999 14:12:23 GMT

Hi!
        In pl.comp.os.linux recently we have got discussion about meaning of
the word hacker. There were two different opinions:
        a) hacker is a person who break security (cracker)
        (,,Well, historically hacker was someone who were really good in 
programming etc but its history now'')
        b) hacker is ... <ESR definition in jargon> but ,,there is no way to
stop thinking that hacker == cracker, so find yourself better thing to worry
about. ''

        Well, i am interested if ,,hacker'' still has the old meaning in
english-speaking countries. And what do you think about the second opinion, i 
mean is it really not important what this word means to common peoples? 
And, what is more important, can linuxer call a cracker ,,hacker'' ??

szopen
A.D.Danilecki [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: "Timothy Rue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Beating MS and a manifestation of tradition.
Date: 30 Jun 99 09:54:50 -0500

I'm posting this to both the Amiga and Linux misc newsgroups because these
two platforms do have something in common. Both have key MS investors
looking in on them. Amiga thru Ted Waitt and Linux thru Linus T.

Don't be mistaken by friendly smiles and handshakes. These are trademarks
of MS, like right before a squidy strikes.

Will one die (or has it already?) Certainly Linux is more popular than
Amiga and a noteable threat to MS. How many arms and suckers does a squidy
have? Maybe there is room for improvement, insurance against the
controlling matrix of Gates. The following can be applied to Linux,
perhaps better (under the current conditions) than the Amiga. Either way,
those who do that which moves value forward in advancement should have the
option to receive a return.

---
Is Jim Collas a manifestation of good ideas distorted through the closed
system mentality of tradition?

I'm out in the open, communicating what I do through a media of which I
have no way of knowing who all is listening. But I do know that some do
find value in what I communicate and that they pick up pieces of the big
picture I've been presenting. What they do with these pieces is to take
and apply effort to distort, so to make fit an old mold of tradition, and
then present it as coming from themselves.

The evolutions and accumulations of these acts and efforts over time have
appeared in many forms, only to become weakened in time because an
unintegrated distortion of parts is inherently going to be weaker than the
integrated honest original whole.

But now it seems this effort and intent has manifested itself again. All
with the same exact intent, that of staying with traditional business
models and methods.

I have no doubt Jim Collas is a real person. I have no doubt that he has
genuine unique talents (as all of us do). I have no doubt that he has
established himself in the computer industry of tradtional business models
and methodologies. Much considered, I have no doubt that Jim is an Ideal
person for such a manifestation to be presented through. Certainly he is
openly Obtaining Input from many and continues to do so. But from where or
through who all is he getting input from? Just how much of this input Jim
has been getting is residue of earlier manifestations and further back to
distorted traditionalized fragments of the big picture I have been
presenting?

People are afraid of change, I can understand this. But things change, and
things need to change because of it. Otherwise the only thing that will
remain the same is failure for the Amiga. Maybe Bill Gates wants this to
be the case?

What is the Big Picture so many beat on me to avoid, deny, hide?

There are three issues to deal with in needed change:

People, Software and Hardware.


People:

Human Resources! It's people that do things to move technology, products
and services forward. And we do this through sales, support, training,
development, improvement feedback, etc..

Today, for whatever combination of reasons, certainly including the Y2K
human resource drain, their is a shortage of "experts" to do these things.

Or is this just due effort and intent to adhear to tradition? I think the
shortage is false, that it's effort to stay with dying tradition.

I say involve the consumer/user in this process, but make it professional.
Pay these people who do and have been doing for free, due lack of an
honest and fair choice otherwise, the things to move the product and
service forward.

Change the business model. The Traditional Business has proven itself,
more than three times, to fail the Amiga by the hands of a few, sometimes
even one person failing the Amiga for everyone. Change the Business model
in such a manner to eliminate, to obviate this possibility. Don't you
think we have had enough of this problem?

The following small little piece of information is from a company not in
the computer business, but of a different business model that includes
genuine honest and fair (and always working to improving this fairness)
income opportunity for the customer.
---

"Melaleuca is one of an elite few companies ever to appear five times in
Inc. magazine's yearly indexing of America's 500 fastest-growing,
privately held companies. Inclusion just once on this prestigious list is
a notable achievement for any company; appearing five consecutive years is
a reflection of the superb performance of this unique company. In fact,
Melaleuca appeared on the Inc. 500 more than international corporate giant
Microsoft, the world's largest software manufacturer, which appeared three
times. Additionally, Melaleuca is one of very few companies to maintain an
"A" profit rating for each of those five years."

for more, access marketing link at http://www.mindspring.com/~timrue/
---
This is certainly a solution direction to move towards. But this company
is not dealing with the unique products of the computer industry. However,
the president left a good position in the computer industry to do this.

With the unique products and services of computers there is the
opportunity to here to custom fit a consumer inclusive business model. One
that goes beyond the product and service line of a company like Melaleuca,
to include the consumer far more directly in product evolution, training
and multi field specific professional development and use. This product,
this tool of computers is very verstile.


Software:

What is software but information that either acts or is acted upon.

Computer are capable of automating what we repetitively do and to do
some things much faster than we can do ourselves, like math calculations.

With the right tool, the consumer, the end user can participate a great
deal more in filling in the human resource shortage of software
development, as an option to them. But there is alot more to computers
than just software development. There is information the user makes use
of. With the right tool the user can better access and automate accessing
and processing of such information and to do so from perspectives of their
specific industry, field, company and personal point of view. A task
certainly beyond the human resources of traditional models and methods.

Of course the reference link here is:

http://www.mindspring.com/~timrue/KNMVIC.html and any related links from
the above mentioned link.

So this tool works integrated into the People busines issue quite well.


Hardware:

Lets' play this smart, not fancy dancy fad of today, outdated tomorror.

What we know is that we don't know what tomorror holds in the way of
hardware advancement. We can get some insight from knowing and allowing
software direction to help us determine what we need in hardware, but
still what we are certain of is that we don't know but want compatability
of whatever tomorror hold with what we have invested in today.

So how do we achieve a compatability base to work from?

Recursion? The software direction above fits well with the people
direction. Perhaps the hardware direction should fit well with the
software direction, inherently fitting well with the people direction?

Hmmm, so where does the software direction above lead hardware too?

http://www.mindspring.com/~timrue/Modular_Systems.html

and a bit of:

http://www.mindspring.com/~timrue/---Enclosures.html

For a general overview at least (there has been more I've communicated
about hardware in Usenet.)

Certainly another things we do know about hardware, is that it is getting
smaller and smaller.
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In all of the Above, it's people that come first!

But in the Amiga community, this particular person, myself, is treated
quite badly for having presented and fought for the above.

I guess it's mainly because the above goes beyond kicking the *&$@@(*%
shit out of the traditional business model and methodology of the computer
industry. That is the model and methodology well taught by and for the
sole apex benefit of Bill Gates, who many believe must be right since he
makes more money in his small piece of the industry than anyone else in
the industry, no matter how big a piece they may hold.

Perhaps the change people are really afraid of is that Bill Gates can
actually lose his win/lose game plan. Simply because people, if given the
genuine honest and fair income opportunity option, will stop playing Bills
Game in exchange for an impossible to lose business plan. Impossible to
lose because everyone wins.

And who is there in opposition to this, if not just those having some
addiction to the illusion of having power over others? An addiction
manifested again as......?

Could anyone have known this would happen?

I'm out in the open, for good reason. So is Linux?

No-one has done this before. That's why it's going to work.
(The Matrix movie)

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*3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!*
   *~ ~ ~      Advancing How we Perceive and Use the Tool of Computers!*
Timothy Rue      What's *DONE* in all we do?  *AI PK OI IP OP SF IQ ID KE*
Email @ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]      >INPUT->(Processing)->OUTPUT>v
Web @ http://www.mindspring.com/~timrue/  ^<--------<----9----<--------<
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: sread???
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:03:15 GMT

Hi,

After a long time of no activity, Redhat 5.2 gives the following error
message repeatedly: "Directory sread (sector 0x20) failed". Does anyone
know the origin of this message or what it means? This only happens
after a couple hours of idle-time and only periodically.  Thanx in
advance.


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