Linux-Misc Digest #859, Volume #27 Mon, 14 May 01 19:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Compile GCC 2.95.3 in RedHat 7.0 failed !! (Christian Rose)
Re: ORiNOCO Wavelan Question (Dan Smith)
Re: installing rh 7.1 (Christian Rose)
Re: No DNS with DHCP sometimes (Dean Thompson)
Re: No DNS with DHCP sometimes (Dean Thompson)
Re: kgcc, where is it in rh 7.1? (Christian Rose)
Re: KDE WM: no virtual desktop? (Professor J Frink)
Re: kgcc, where is it in rh 7.1? (Christian Rose)
install to floppy (root disk from windows) (Greg Dinwoodie)
Newbie: Eterm freakin' out ("Ponzo")
Re: can't not excute binary files (Dave Uhring)
oms and dvd playback ("wfromoz")
Re: Problem with ATA100 disk (Dave Uhring)
Re: Very slow KDE apps ("Stephen R. Figgins")
Re: My Linux Experience (Robert Heller)
Re: Y2.0017115K bug (Hartmann Schaffer)
Re: KDE WM: no virtual desktop? (Professor J Frink)
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From: Christian Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Compile GCC 2.95.3 in RedHat 7.0 failed !!
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:10:23 +0200
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
> > Not an answer to your real question, but why would you want to replace
>
> Correct.
>
> > gcc 2.96 with 2.95.3? That sounds backwards to me. They're both free
> > software, and gcc 2.96 is among other things more standards-compliant.
>
> And among other things, less standard.
That's by your definition of standard. Not real standards.
> This is FUD.
No, I am not discrediting anyone.
> You know perfectly well why he would want to replace it ... so that he
> can use software compiled on other distros,
Why should he be using software *compiled for other distros*? Name a
piece of software that doesn't exist either as source or as rpm packages
for Red Hat.
Besides, Mandrake now uses gcc 2.96 too.
> and so that his software can be used on other distros.
It can be used on everything else that looks like a computer and has a
compiler. Ever heard of source code?
> > If you have problems with gcc 2.96 in RH 7, upgrade to the errata
>
> The problem is gcc 2.96, nothing to do with RH's attempts to fix it
> after the fact of their decision to pirate it and the gcc team's prompt
> disinheritance of it ...
How can one "pirate" free software? Please tell me. Else I have
misunderstood the GPL and the concept of free software.
> > upgrade to Red Hat Linux 7.1 which contains an even newer gcc. I've had
>
> You mean "even worse gcc".
No. Why should I mean that?
> I _dislike_ people who seek to use words to deceive. "New" does not equate to
> "good".
In this case it does.
> You can see that by the fact that you are talking about a remedial change
> to a gcc that was also "new"
Keyword "was". It *was* new.
> when it was introduced by RH, and was not "better" then either.
It was better in many areas than gcc 2.95.x. It still is.
I doubt Mandrake would decide to use it for their entire 8.x series if
it wasn't.
> By all means discuss the merits or otherwise in plain english, but do not
> seek to insinuate qualities by your use of loaded words.
So I should be forced to dissaminate every feature in detail, leaving
you to be able to spread the FUD with loaded and false statements like
"it's worse" and no details or backup for your statements?
If you want the details, go to http://www.bero.org/gcc296.html . Then
come back and we can have a proper discussion based on actual merits and
qualities.
Christian
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: ORiNOCO Wavelan Question
From: Dan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 May 2001 18:17:31 -0400
Can you give me instructions on how to enable/set encryption on the
ORiNOCO card?
Thanks!
--Dan
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From: Christian Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: installing rh 7.1
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:16:51 +0200
alik blochin wrote:
> but the space is ok, i have 15 GB for linux
Not necessarily. It depends on the sizes of the partitions you are
trying to create!
> i tryied to remove all the partitions and make them
> from scratch (disk druid , fdisk)
> but nothing helps....
I believe that your / may be too small. In any case, I think you should
try not making any partitions at all if you have problems with the
partitioning and a whole 15 GB disk to devote to this Linux
installation. Just choose "automatic partitioning" and let the installer
create the partitions (with the proper sizes) for you!
Christian
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From: Dean Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: No DNS with DHCP sometimes
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:17:41 +1000
Hi!,
> I'll wait till it happens again. Is there a log for the cleint that shows
> the info returned? I know the bootup log will show the request and ACK.
There is a good chance that when the DHCP server starts it might actually
write some of its debugging of version information into the
/var/log/messages. If you want to see all the data that is passed around you
will have to provide the "-d" flag to put the server into debug mode.
See ya
Dean Thompson
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From: Dean Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: No DNS with DHCP sometimes
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:23:02 +1000
Hi!,
> I only start in run level 2 (no GUI). Haven't started in the others. I only
> type startx afterward.
Is this run level 2 or run level 3?, I suppose it all depends on whether you
want to enable NFS support for the session.
See ya
Dean Thompson
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From: Christian Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kgcc, where is it in rh 7.1?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:24:36 +0200
Silviu Minut wrote:
> Oh, so 7.1 still needs kgcc to compile the kernel?
No.
> You'd think they got over that. I compiled the 2.4 kernel with
> gcc-2.96 patched and it's working fine.
Yes. Under Red Hat 7.1, with kernel 2.4, you don't need kgcc. Compiling
kernel 2.4 works just fine with gcc 2.96.
kgcc is just if you, for some reason, want to replace kernel 2.4 on RH
7.1 with a 2.2 kernel compiled on your own.
Christian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Professor J Frink)
Subject: Re: KDE WM: no virtual desktop?
Date: 14 May 2001 22:20:41 GMT
>>Although I have no love for KDE it isn't this primitive. You
>>can have virtual desktops larger than your physical resolution,
>>that's X's job.
>
>No, it's the WM's job. There seems to be some confusion
>between the X server's virtual screen size and the WM's virtual
>destop size. I was asking about the latter. Somebody has
>already pointed me to the place where the WM desktop size is
>configured. In other WM's with which I'm familiar it's usually
>an integral multiple of the X server's virtual screen size.
>That's the part I couldn't figure out when I was asked -- none
>of the mouse button combinations I tried allowed a window to be
>moved off the sreen. If it's definitely possible then I'll
>tell them it's possible, but they're going to have to figure
>out how to do it.
What do you mean by "offscreen"? Here I am in KDE (just for you ;) and I can
move windows off screen. The old trick is moving them off the top of the
screen, but click right button on the window border and you can choose
"Move" the window is moveable to the limits of the pointer against the edges
of the desktop.
There is nothing in KDE that I can see that would stop someone moving a
window offscreen to get at a particular part of it that is currently
offscreen. Unless all window borders are off screen but there's even ways
round that.
>>This isn't so much a KDE problem as a lack of configuration on
>>both X and KDE's part. You'd get the same problems on any WM
>>set up to behave in that way.
>
>I guess the other window managers I've used have been a bit
>more intuitive for me.
I still have no idea what you're on about with this WM virtual desktop size.
Actually I do but I can't remember anything that does it (apart from
Enlightenment maybe but it's ages since I've used it).
Frink (off to try a load of WMs to see which ones do this)
--
'Professor' J Frink
Ringtail to the Stars & Professional Mossbauer Guru
shrike at liv dot ack dot ook
"Ohhh, let me bash him just once!!" - Monkey!
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From: Christian Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kgcc, where is it in rh 7.1?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:28:18 +0200
John Doe wrote:
> Can someone tell me how I
> can install kgcc for redhat 7.1?
>
> I looked under RPMS directories
> with cheapbytes cds 1 and 2 and
> cannot find anything named kgcc
You don't need kgcc on Red Hat Linux 7.1. Compiling kernel 2.4 works
just fine with gcc 2.96.
You only need kgcc if you for some reason want to compile 2.2 kernels.
Christian
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From: Greg Dinwoodie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: install to floppy (root disk from windows)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:30:12 -0600
Hello,
I would like to install linux (distro doesn't really matter) to a
floppy. I cannot seem to find instructions on howto install to a floppy,
with out installing linux first. From windows I need to make a linux
root disk.
Any help is much appreciated. Thx
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From: "Ponzo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Newbie: Eterm freakin' out
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:21:58 +0200
Hi there
I have a little problem...
Eterm does not display the ~, ` , " and ' characters for no
reason!
Could you tell where to look to fix it?
Thank you in advance
P
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From: Dave Uhring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: can't not excute binary files
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:35:52 -0500
Teke Tu wrote:
> Hi, I have just downloaded realplayer which has a bin suffix.
> so I tried to type sh ./realplayer.bin (assume this is the install file)
> but it gives me a error message says cann't excute binary files?
>
> I am using RH7.l at the moment..
> any expert can tell me how do I install that?
>
> thank you very very much
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
>
# chmod +x rp8_........
# ./rp8_.....
For a number of reasons, all due to security, when you download any file
across the internet or even merely transfer it by ftp across your own lan,
the executable bit of the file will be removed. And it is necessary to set
that executable bit in order to execute the file.
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From: "wfromoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: oms and dvd playback
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:37:36 -0500
RH 7.0, TNT2 32megs, XFree86 4.0.1, oms-0.1.2. I'm getting terrific video
output using omi_gtk (well, at least it seems terrific, ~35fps) but no
audio whatsoever. Does anyone have any ideas as to info I should post to
get some help on this? I'm using KDE 2.1.1 with Alsa drivers for my ac97.
Audio in general (non-OMS dvd) is very good - no complaints at all. If I
could just get past this last hurdle. Had no luck with Xine - tried 2
versions. Perhaps this whole thing has just made me braindead.
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From: Dave Uhring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.devel,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with ATA100 disk
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:42:21 -0500
Pierre-Yves Morgantini wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have setup up a cluster of 16 PC for doing computational chemistry
> calculations.
> All PC are built around an ASUS A7V or A7V133 motherboard, 1 GHz AMD
> Athlon Thunderbird CPU, 256 MB memory and an IBM Deskstar 75GXP 30 GB
> UATA100 disk. I have RedHat 7.0 (kernel 2.4.0-0.26) on all the PC.
>
> I have problems with the disks. Sometimes, the IDE light stay on and the
> system
> try to read on the disk during 10 to 20 seconds. The disk emits some
> strange mechanical noise and the following error message is displayed on
> the console
> :
>
> wolf kernel: hde: dma_intr: bad DMA status
> wolf kernel: hde: dma_intr: status=0x50 { DriveReady SeekComplete }
>
> Other messages (very similar) are also displayed. Some disks are O.K. but
> about half of them have this problem. Sometimes, after a big number of
> retries,
> the system crash. All the disk are new or have 4 months. I have also try
> with
> RedHat 7.1 but I observe the same type of problem. I have also try e2fsck
> -c on the file system without amelioration.
>
> The disks are connected to the Promise ATA100 controler integrated on the
> motherboard and use the following parameters for the disk :
>
> hdparm -v /dev/hde
>
> /dev/hde:
> multcount = 16 (on)
> I/O support = 3 (32-bit w/sync)
> unmaskirq = 0 (off)
> using_dma = 1 (on)
> keepsettings = 0 (off)
> nowerr = 0 (off)
> readonly = 0 (off)
> readahead = 8 (on)
> geometry = 59560/16/63, sectors = 60036480, start = 0
>
> hdparm -i /dev/hde
>
> /dev/hde:
>
> Model=IBM-DTLA-307030, FwRev=TX4OA50C, SerialNo=YKDYKFY1591
> Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs }
> RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=40
> BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=1916kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
> CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=-66060037, LBA=yes, LBAsects=60036480
> IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:240,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
> PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
> DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
>
>
> Any idea or hints ? Is there some others (happy) guys who use the same
> couple
> motherboard/disk with succes ?
>
> Thank you in advance for you help.
>
> P.-Y. Morgantini
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
>
> Pierre-Yves Morgantini / Assistant Professor
> University of Geneva / Department of Physical Chemistry
> 30, quai Ernest Ansermet / 1211 GENEVA 4 (Switzerland)
> Phone (41-22) 702 65 24 (direct) / (41-22) 702 61 11
> Mobile (41-79) 449 10 51 / Fax (41-22) 702 65 18
> E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
I recommend that you download and install linux-2.4.4 kernel, paying
particular attention during configuration to implementing DMA on your hard
drives and making certain that you include the drivers for your particular
motherboards (via82cxxx). You only have to compile it once, you know.
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From: "Stephen R. Figgins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Very slow KDE apps
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:53:41 -0700
Try turning off anti-aliasing and see if it makes a difference.
I read somewhere that in XFree86 4.0.3, the font information has to be
loaded each time you launch one of these apps. The next release should
introduce caching, and apps are supposed to load faster.
-Stephen
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My Linux Experience
Date: 14 May 2001 23:11:25 GMT
"Jim Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Mon, 14 May 2001 20:46:27 +0100, wrote :
"J> Having two-thirds of an old PC and realising that I could experiment with
"J> Linux for free, I recently set out to see what I could achieve with it. I
"J> chose to try Redhat 7.0 and bought a couple of hefty books to help me along.
"J> Here is what I achieved and failed at:
"J>
"J> - installed without much trouble
"J> - configured X Windows with small difficulty (due to an old video card?)
Most likely -- *some* video cards just don't work well with Linux --
this is *generally* because the makers of these cards don't release
technical info about the cards (for fear of someone making a knock-off
or some such stupidity).
"J> - installed an Ethernet card with some difficulty (getting the Tulip driver
"J> to work took one week of my spare time)
Ethernet cards can be in the same boat as the video cards.
"J> - configured Samba for file-sharing with my Windows PC in both directions
"J> (simple and rewarding - initially)
"J> - unable to get SWAT to work
"J> - configured Apache to serve locally my web-site (reasonably
"J> straightforward)
"J> - unable to get any response from a printer (Epson Stylus) connected to the
"J> parallel port
Check /etc/conf.modules and see if the parallel port driver modules are
configured.
"J> - frustrating mixed results with an external Hayes modem connected to a
"J> serial port (I could dial, connect and run PPP manually using Minicom, but
"J> most attempts to configure and run PPP from the shell failed. The modem just
"J> failed to respond to any AT commands. Annoyingly, it did work for a short
"J> while after running the RH PPP configurator but later stopped again, despite
"J> not making significant changes to the config files)
This is strange.
"J>
"J> Also, after flawless performance for a couple of weeks the Samba shared
"J> folder stopped working properly. Small files transfer easily from Linux to
"J> Windows but larger files just stopped getting through.
"J>
"J> I have decided that I would like to succeed with Linux in order to give me a
"J> local web server, a firewall to the internet, a second on-line printer and
"J> perhaps mail services. I also find that it is a great catalyst for learning
"J> much about networking, mail systems and computers in general.
"J>
"J> The problem is that I find many tasks that ought to be simple, or at least
"J> possible after research and effort, to be insoluble. This is despite my long
"J> acquaintance with PCs under DOS and Windows, despite the fact that I am much
"J> above average in aptitude, despite the wide research and reading that I have
"J> done on the internet, in news groups, in magazines and in books and despite
"J> the very large number of hours devoted over the past two months. My
"J> diligence in attempting to solve my own problems has been significant.
"J>
"J> I don't write to seek help on my specific difficulties but to ask this
"J> general question: are my experiences common? If they are then I would
"J> conclude that Linux is far too difficult to use to gain wide-spread
"J> acceptance outside professional server roles at its current stage of
"J> development. If not then perhaps I have faulty hardware, a dodgy
"J> distribution or a peculiar clouding of the mind where Linux is concerned.
Your main mistake was RH 7.0 -- The RH X.0 releases are *notorious* for
having problems -- You would not have had as much trouble with RH 6.2
for example.
"J>
"J> I'd be grateful to hear other people's comments.
"J>
"J>
"J>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Subject: Re: Y2.0017115K bug
Date: 14 May 2001 19:02:31 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Scott Weber wrote:
>This is a joke, right?
>
>I mean people don't actually believe that time_t is stored
>as a decimal number, right???
nobody claimed that. the article was talking about apps that take the
time_t value and store it in a 9 position field (are there any?)
--
hs
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"The cheapest pride is national pride. I demonstrates the lack of
characteristics and achievements you can be proud of. The worst loser
can have national pride" - Schopenhauer
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Professor J Frink)
Subject: Re: KDE WM: no virtual desktop?
Date: 14 May 2001 23:00:16 GMT
>Enlightenment maybe but it's ages since I've used it).
>
>Frink (off to try a load of WMs to see which ones do this)
[after trying virtually every WM that comes with SuSE 7.1]
Ahhh, I think I get what you're on about now. Most WMs have multiple
workspaces and there aren't any I've found that won't let you move a window
'off screen' but you're talking about one giant *continuous* workspace with
the screen as a single sized window onto it.
Well, KDE doesn't do this. Neither do the majority of WMs I've just tried.
In fact the only ones that do it like you say are fvwm (2/95 dunno about 1),
AfterStep and some other, qvwm I think. Enlightnement tries but it's only
half way there in that it does this horizontally, but vertically it's the
same story.
This is with a few mins going through configs/settings for each one to see
what could be turned on so if any others do it it's not overly obvious.
KDE doesn't shine out as being bad by this standard at all, in fact the
majority of WMs work contrary to what you expect in this regards but not
*one* prevents you just dragging a window up/down/left/right outside the
edges of the desktop.
Your customer could have tried about a dozen different WMs and had the same
problem.
Frink (gah, I'm defending KDE! ;0)
[To anyone who remembers it, my orginal idea of what this was about was
something like !Larger on RISC OS]
--
'Professor' J Frink
Ringtail to the Stars & Professional Mossbauer Guru
shrike at liv dot ack dot ook
"Ohhh, let me bash him just once!!" - Monkey!
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