Linux-Misc Digest #34, Volume #21 Wed, 14 Jul 99 18:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be? (Don Arbow)
Re: tik AOL AIM ("Joseph S. White")
Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be? (Scott Elyard)
Re: any way to access MBR directly? ("J�rgen Exner")
visio... (Morris)
Re: Why won't NFS work between my machines? (David)
Re: CIA assassinations (Philip Brown)
Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be? (Geof Abruzzi)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (Philip Brown)
Re: Why is Microsoft so greedy??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Swap Partition (Perry Pip)
Re: Major RedHat 6.0 Disappointment (Monte Phillips)
Re: Debian packaging system (Philip Brown)
Re: Chmoding directories for �O�thers: x or rx? (John Winters)
Sound under Linux on a Vaio PCG F-series. (Kevin O' Gorman)
HPT Doc's/HOWTO's/Man pages? (Stewart Honsberger)
Re: computer literacy (was 'Linux viruses' or something) (vybp eeru)
Re: Web server information (Steffan Davies)
Re: Everything Will Be Redhat. (John Girash)
Where can I find the docs for netcfg? (John H. Chauvin)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Don Arbow)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be?
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:19:00 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Josiah Fizer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Who would you sue for LinuxPPC? Its not a comercial program. BeOS is a
: comercial OS that compeats with MacOS, Linux is not.
Well, they could start with LinuxPPC.com. If Apple was serious about
stopping it, every distribution point for linuxppc would be shutdown
within a day. They're not doing that, so Be has nothing to fear.
Don
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From: "Joseph S. White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: tik AOL AIM
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:11:59 -0600
Aahh, little different than the Win-Version.
Thanks.
Joe
"Stuart R. Fuller" wrote:
>
> Joseph S. White ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : Hi All,
> :
> : Anyone got the Tcl/Tk 8.0 AIM Client working? My problem is
> : I have 13 buddies added but the do not show up in the buddy
> : list. I show up there after I logon, but no one else. I can
> : edit the Buddy list and all the names are there, just don't
> : show in buddy list. Any Idea what is going on?
> :
> : I'm running Mandrake 6.0 /Tk 8.0
> :
> : Info: http://www.aim.aol.com/tik/
>
> Your buddies only show up on the list if they're logged into the AIM system.
>
> Stu
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Elyard)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be?
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:18:06 -0700
In article <VDPi3.1645$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "William
Edward Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Try early 1986. Off by 4 and a fraction years.
I thought that might be wrong. Guru (the app I used to pull the date
from) lied, then.
> > considered a standard, cohesive, or integral part of PC architecture, all
> > of the add-on boards with their touchy IRQ settings and peculiar driver
> > snafus aside.
>
> Note that it wasn't until a few years later that SCSI showed up for
> the PC market; until then, SCSI had only been used on various high-
> performance workstations and the Macintosh Plus.
>
>
> Just picking nits.
Well, I do feel cleaner.
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From: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: any way to access MBR directly?
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:34:13 -0700
Reply-To: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Michael Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7m9k84$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I was running a dual boot setup with lilo in the MBR
> and then decided to change things around so I went
> ahead and formatted the drive. This wiped out both
> the DOS and Linux partitions, but left the LILO
> intact on the MBR. I eventually managed to "reset"
> the MBR by installing DOS, then Win98, but I'm still curious
> if there was a way to wipe out LILO manually?
No problem. Assuming you are using a SCSI system:
Simply "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda" plus you may want to restrict the size
to 256 bytes (otherwise you would erase more then just the MBR; details
please see the man page of dd)
jue
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From: Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: visio...
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:39:32 GMT
does anyone know some program like visio for linux????
I already tried Dia, but do you know any different???
thanks
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From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why won't NFS work between my machines?
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:22:11 -0700
Well, it's been a little while since you posted but I'll send out what I
know anyway.
First, I'll answer one of your conclusive questions. Yes, as far as I'm
aware you have to specify one of your machines as an NFS Server. As far
as your mount line you might want to specify the r/w bit size with the
options like so:
mount -o rsize=1024,wsize=1024 cc:/root /cc
Also, it looks like you are using the daemon NFS server instead of the
kernel NFS server. I personally, have experienced less problems with
the kernel version and I believe it is actually a little more secure.
The kernel version is built with kernel 2.2.x which I currently run but
I'm not sure about 2.0.x.
Anyway, if all your config files are good, which is mainly your exports
(fstab and rhosts are optional depending on what you are trying to do).
By the way I recommend using ssh if you a doing remote login or command
sessions.
Hope this helps.
P.S. if you want to respond to me send email to
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Allen Ashley wrote:
>
> My systems hangs for a long time when I try to cp a file
> from one host to another.
>
> If I do:
> mount cc:/root /cc
> and then:
> cp filename /cc/junk
> where filename exists on the source machine (aa) and the
> directory /root/junk appears on the target machine (cc).
> I get:
> nfs: server cc not responding, still trying
> nfs: server cc not responding, still trying
> nfs: server cc OK
> nfs: server cc OK
> After several tens of seconds the file ends up on the
> target machine.
>
> If I delete the file on the target and repeat the command
> immediately I get:
>
> aa:~# cp filename /cc/junk
>
> nfs: server cc not responding, still trying
> nfs: server cc not responding, still trying
> nfs: task 96 can't get a request slot
> nfs: task 97 can't get a request slot
> nfs: server cc OK
> nfs: server cc OK
> nfs: server cc OK
> nfs: server cc OK
>
> After even longer it is again on the target.
>
> In both cases when the source machine is hung,
> I have rpciod and lockd daemons running. The
> lockd option seems mandatory in kernel configuration.
>
> Yes, I have the exports file, rhosts file, and all
> the other items in place.
>
> Could it be that free NFS transfer between hosts on
> a LAN is no longer possible? Must one host be
> designated as a server, and all the rest act
> as clients?
>
> Here is what is running on my machine when I do the cp:
>
> USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND
> root 1 0.1 0.1 220 128 ? S 12:31 0:03 init
> root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 12:31 0:00 [kflushd]
> root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 12:31 0:00 [kpiod]
> root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 12:31 0:00 [kswapd]
> root 10 0.0 0.2 816 260 ? S 12:32 0:00 /sbin/update
> bin 68 0.0 0.2 852 376 ? S 12:32 0:00 /sbin/rpc.portmap
> root 72 0.0 0.3 852 408 ? S 12:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/syslogd
> root 75 0.0 0.6 1280 796 ? S 12:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/klogd
> root 77 0.0 0.2 836 332 ? S 12:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
> root 79 0.0 0.2 856 320 ? S 12:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/lpd
> root 82 0.0 0.3 912 508 ? S 12:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/rpc.mou
> root 84 0.0 0.3 932 496 ? S 12:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/rpc.nfs
> root 86 0.0 0.2 836 336 ? S 12:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/crond -
> root 92 0.0 0.6 1324 776 ? S 12:32 0:00 sendmail: accepti
> root 216 0.0 0.4 1176 624 tty1 S 12:32 0:00 -bash
> root 217 0.0 0.4 1172 632 tty2 S 12:32 0:00 -bash
> root 218 0.0 0.2 832 296 tty3 S 12:32 0:00 /sbin/agetty 3840
> root 219 0.0 0.2 832 296 tty4 S 12:32 0:00 /sbin/agetty 3840
> root 220 0.0 0.2 832 296 tty5 S 12:32 0:00 /sbin/agetty 3840
> root 221 0.0 0.2 832 296 tty6 S 12:32 0:00 /sbin/agetty 3840
> root 235 0.0 0.2 864 344 ? S 12:32 0:00 gpm
> root 237 0.0 0.0 0 0 tty1 SW 12:32 0:00 [rpciod]
> root 238 0.0 0.0 0 0 tty1 SW 12:32 0:00 [lockd]
> root 378 0.0 0.5 2296 760 tty1 R 13:10 0:00 ps aux
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 14 Jul 1999 19:50:36 GMT
On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:27:29 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>...
>Nope. Stalin took over when everything was already largely settled
>down. It's just every attempt of socialism/communism eventually
>evolves into Soviet system.
just as every attempt at "democracy" devolves to whatever the US has now?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geof Abruzzi)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be?
Date: 14 Jul 1999 20:16:06 GMT
William Edward Woody ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Josiah Fizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: > And yes, SGIs kick ass. Seeing as my Indy with a 17 inch monitor cost less
: > then half what an iMac costs I am very happy with it.
:
: Where the hell did you get an Indy for $1,000?
http://www.mashek.com/SGISystems.html
has a few for sale.
Geof
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 14 Jul 1999 20:24:42 GMT
On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:27:12 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>...
>The World Series is named after the newspaper that sponsored the Series
>when it started, The Boston World, OSLT
funny, I thought the boston newspaper with a name like that was
"The boston GLOBE"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin,alt.windows95,alt.windows98,comp.os.ms-windows.nt
Subject: Re: Why is Microsoft so greedy???
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:16:57 GMT
On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:38:05 -0700, David
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>As for "incompetence", "lack of skills" and all of the other various
>flames I received, this is another reason why I steer away from
>Microsoft. The type of people it generally attracts are bigots with an
>ego bigger than they deserve. I realize that I may not be super master
>over NT networks and I acknowledge it without quorum. I primarily come
>from a UNIX/Linux background having worked with those OS's for the past
>4-5 years. Unfortunately, most companies incorporate some Microsoft
>systems into their networks and therefore it requires to know a little
>about those as well.
Gosh so now even MS related newsgroups are the devil....sorry but
knowing the basic structure of how a network works has nothing to do
with the OS or protocol being used....funny I'm guessing in the world
you live calling someone a bigot is tactfull? <shaking head> man you
are too much. Rip people for commenting on your clear lack of skills
and that makes them bigots...nice...
>In my experience with receiving assistance in newsgroups chat etc., I
>have found that Microsoft groups instantly find some sort of appeal to
>flame no matter how the question is put whether it be nice or slightly
>irate. When I have posted to UNIX/Linux groups I have never received a
>flame despite how moronic my question may sound. Conduct seems to
>always be conducted with tact in the UNIX world and in addition with a
>humble tone. I like that better than, "your must be stupid, duh". That
>sounds like a 12 year old child. Anyway, perhaps I was deserving of
>some of those flames as my original note was a little irate.
I think you have to expect the type of response you received. Your
post was in no way tactful or humble it was rambling and
threatening..and I don't really know how you could be working as a sys
admin in any OS, as stated before I am quite sure that patches updates
whatever for UNIX/LINUX still have to be applied to every box..(more
or less) and they still can be done over a network. this backtracking
and trying to softsell your original post just smells.....and it
ain't a pretty smell....
>On behalf of linux, I do not appeal to it due to media hype. It has
>been and still is my choice of operating system. In my experience of
>working with linux, it doesn't crash, viruses are not capable of doing
>much more harm than to specific users (i.e. a virus can't destroy the
>entire machine) and it runs smoother overall. (The smoother part I
>notice when I dual boot an NT machine with Linux...linux just works
>smoother.) As for configuration of linux, yes I suppose it does take a
>little more effort on the users behalf, but the outcome is that person
>becomes much more intimate with the hardware and system overall. That
>in itself is an interesting benefit. In addition, there are tons of
>online free information about howto do a variety of things including
>configuration. Trying to find free resources like that for the
>Microsoft world is virtually impossible, though I have found a couple.
>I definitely don't want to spend $50+ on a book for every topic on NT
>that I care or need to know about.
Preach preach preach... Nobody in any response I saw to your post said
anything negative about UNIX/LINUX only your abilities. Anybody that
works with computers..whether they be Mac or PC will acknowledge that
LINUX has some very strong points....so I'm not sure whom you are
preaching to here...
>But none of these things are really the reason why my choice goes with
>linux. It is purely for the freedom linux offers me. It is the goal
>and belief of the originator of linux that all people should be able to
>use computers freely. This includes operating system, software and if
>the dream prevails hardware (but that's a big stretch). I mean should
>computers really be available to those who can "afford" it? Knowledge
>and knowledge aids should be free and available for everyone so that our
>entire society world wide can evolve into a higher caliber of persons.
>This is the dream that linux offers. It's more than an "OS war" it's a
>struggle for freedom and the freedom is over something that once was
>thought could never be taken away or sold...knowledge.
What???? Free hardware?? Ummm who will be paying for the R&D? The
testing, the facilities to make it? Oh boy...yes computers should only
be available to those that work hard and pay their bills and make
enough money to buy things that they want... which might include
computers... grrrrrrrrrrrr, oh forget it, that was just a bad troll on
your part and I was so busy laughing I didn't see it right away...
>Well, that's enough. Forgive for my preaching. In closing, if anyone's
>interesting there is a cute little story I found on the net. Perhaps
>you might want to read it. Here's the think:
By the way nice touch crossposting to five or six MS groups and one
LINUX..the reason for that is what? Your post was about MS and doing
updates wasn't it? Why would the LINUX group care? Not because you
just want them to see what a strong supporter you are of that OS or to
let them read how you say such nice words about how nice they all are
compared to the big bad MS bigots...
L - A - M - E - R
god.....good thing I was bored today....had some time on my hands
while my MS based network does some updates....from one location
even...thanks for giving me something to do....but I also like
UNIX/LINUX so i guess I should go out and do some charity work and
kiss some babies as well....LMAO
<smile>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Subject: Re: Swap Partition
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:59:54 GMT
On 14 Jul 1999 20:44:59 GMT, Daniel Forester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi, all, I recently installed SuSE 6.1, and removed my old RH partitions,
>both the logical and the swap (decided to hell with it... wipe it. ;-)
>...) SO, anyways, in setting up SuSE, it offered an option in YaST to
>make another linux partition, but it had no option for a swap partition...
>So I just didn't make one. ;-) Is that bad, or will it be okay? I got
>KDE up & running, and didn't notice any lack of speed or anything...
>thanks...
>
It will be bad if you do something that uses up all the memory you have.
To find out how much memory you are using type the command 'free'. If you
do need to create swap space and your out of unpartitioned disk space you
can always create a swap file but it will be slower than a swap partition.
Perry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Monte Phillips)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Major RedHat 6.0 Disappointment
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:09:29 GMT
Try on e of the later kernels say 2.5.10
might be the prob. Also just for kicks check the latest hardware
compatibility list on www.redhat.com
g'luk
"David Eno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm disappointed. I've installed Linux roughly 50 times without a problem.
>I recently bought a P3-450, 128M, 3COM NIC, 13G HDD. As I've done lots of
>Red Hat 6.0 runs great for about 1-2 minutes, and then the system hangs.
>The mouse cursor disappears, the keyboard's gone. Everything locks up.
>C-A-D doesn't even work.
>Open Linux runs fine, but it doesn't meet my needs as a server.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Subject: Re: Debian packaging system
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 14 Jul 1999 20:21:06 GMT
On 14 Jul 1999 09:04:49 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>..
>I've been using Linux now for about six months. Started with RH 5.2,
>and I found the organisation of the files from the various packages to
>be a complete shambles. So, I thought, "I should try Debian 2.1"
>because of its renowned and complete packaging systems....
>...i feel scared to change a single file sometimes, for fear of
>screwing dpkg's system. It seems to me that practically everything must
>be done through dpkg.
>..
>Granted, Debian is very well planned, and everything works, but I just
>wish that the designers had've followed the keep-it-simple principle,
>which is why I am now changing to (my third distro) Slackware 4.0.
Sounds like you are just scared of package systems in general, so you
ditched all packages.
"easier" to just throw something on.
But more messy for long-term maintainance.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Winters)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Chmoding directories for �O�thers: x or rx?
Date: 14 Jul 1999 20:56:41 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Gilles Pelletier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> �Unix for the Impatient� (p. 45), on chmoding directories:
>
>�Normallay r is granted whenever x is; you can get some strange
>effects if a directory has x but not r. For instance, if a directory
>has x turned on but not r, you can't list its contents, but if you
>already know its contents, you can delete or copy its files.�
>
>Those "strange effects" remain unexplained to me. How can one delete
>or copy files to a directory if "w" permission is not granted?
It doesn't say that "w" permission is not granted - it says that
"r" permission is not granted. If you don't have "w" permission
you can't delete files.
>How could NOT granting "r" permission jeopardize security?
It doesn't say that not granting "r" jeopardizes security - it just
says it leads to some strange effects (which it does).
John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin O' Gorman)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Sound under Linux on a Vaio PCG F-series.
Date: 12 Jul 1999 17:37:08 +0100
(Note x-post.)
Has anybody out there managed to get sound working on the aforementioned?
The audio system used by the F-160, 190 etc. is part of the Neomagic 256AV
graphics chipset, and claims Soundblaster compatibility, but I can't get
any joy out of it apart from "sb.o: dsp reset failed" (from memory).
Apparently people have gotten sound working on the same chipset in
different portables without any difficulty, but I can't find any mention
of it working on my model Vaio. I think the PCG-C1X has the same chipset
(the specs I've found are a little vague) and sound works a charm on that.
I'm at my wit's end. The machine's a dream otherwise, the display is very
nice, and the keyboard's better than any full-sized one I've used. But
I'd dearly love to get sound working.
K.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: HPT Doc's/HOWTO's/Man pages?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:12:08 GMT
Does anyone know where I can locate a set of {subj} for HPT?
I've been trying to configure it so that I won't have to keep booting OS/2
to toss my mail, but it keeps giving me an "atleast one route must be
specified" error. {sigh}
If only I understood C code, I could use it. But alas, I'm merely a humble
Pascal programmer, lost in the world of #defines and #includes.
Thanks in advance. All helpful responses will win a donut.
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Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (vybp eeru)
Subject: Re: computer literacy (was 'Linux viruses' or something)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:42:24 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*/_That night, 13 Jul 1999 18:04:35 -0400, the sky darkened, the lightning
flashed, the thunder roared, and the voice of [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul
Anderson) echod in our minds:
�[EMAIL PROTECTED] (vybp eeru) writes:
�
�>To be honest, I would love the have both, but if I would have to choose
�>one, I think most people would choose the easy and intuitive way that is
�>found on *every* microwave today. (with an emphisis)
�>
�Microwave's are a bad example, as computers are FAR more complex than a
�microwave. Everyone is functioning under the moronic belief that computers
�can be appliances. They can't. They are just too complex to be shoved in a
�corner and treated like a microwave or dishwasher. It's a stupid, moronic
�idea that has been perpetuated by microsoft. The problem lies in the fact
They can be *both*. Having a simple interface, and a very very complicated
interface for those who wish to mess with it...
�that there are hundreds and hundreds of so-called "experts" chattering a mile
�a minute about using computers to increase productivity, internet 2, VRML, and
�all this junk when in reality they have NO IDEA what they're talking about.
�How productive are you when all your accounting records for the past 10 years
�spontaneously disappear? How productive are you when, right in the middle of
�taking an order, the stupid machine goes into an epileptic seizure? Paper
�ledgers are still a smart idea for accounting, IMHO. People just have to grow
�up and realize that groupware is total BS, that computers rarely improve
�productivity, and that computers are too complex to be treated like
�microwaves.
Some still say that computers are toys.
�ANY effort to make them behave like a microwave is doomed to failure, and to
�this date no one has ever been successful. TTYL!
Nonexistant does not equal impossible.
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From: Steffan Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Web server information
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:47:35 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chris Gushue wrote:
>
> In alt.os.linux Peter Burden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : Darren Paxton wrote:
> :>
> :> Hi, guys,
> :>
> :> Just a quickie, been searching the web and deja.com to try to find the
> :> address of that site that gives information on what kind of machine a
> :> server is running on.
[lots of good advice snipped]
One of the more recent Phracks (http://www.phrack.com) had a piece on
identify OSes by profiling the behaviour of the particular
implementation of TCP/IP. Which might be good for you.
Steff
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Everything Will Be Redhat.
Date: 14 Jul 1999 17:19:38 -0500
take it to .advocacy, hotshot.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John H. Chauvin)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Where can I find the docs for netcfg?
Date: 14 Jul 1999 20:37:41 GMT
Does anyone know where I can obtain documentation on how
to use netcfg?
John Chauvin
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John H. Chauvin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
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