Linux-Misc Digest #34, Volume #27 Mon, 5 Feb 01 22:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Problem with Redhat 7 and XFree86-4.01 System freezes for no (Frederick
Bartlett)
Re: Problem with Redhat 7 and XFree86-4.01 System freezes for no (Frederick
Bartlett)
Re: "top" shows X using 129MB ?? (Bob Hauck)
Re: How to install Red Hat 7.0 on ZIP+ drive (Dances With Crows)
Re: mkisofs - [order is changed] (Dances With Crows)
Re: System V init script (Dances With Crows)
Re: Does JDK 1.3 work with kernel 2.4? (Robert Lynch)
Re: Problem with Redhat 7 and XFree86-4.01 System freezes for no particular reason!
(Hal Burgiss)
Re: Problem with Redhat 7 and XFree86-4.01 System freezes for no particular reason!
(Hal Burgiss)
Re: sharing modem connection on 2-pc network (David Efflandt)
Re: newbie - system() or exec() ("Arthur H. Gold")
Re: How to config rsh ? (David Efflandt)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Re: Selling GPL programs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Question about Zsh ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
bash script for ripping mp3 is here (Alex Borodin)
Re: How do I setup an HP 842C printer? (Manatee)
Re: Selling GPL programs (Robert Heller)
Re: Compile from Micro soft access to Linux ("pascal gauthier")
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From: Frederick Bartlett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Problem with Redhat 7 and XFree86-4.01 System freezes for no
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 01:35:17 GMT
I also have this problem. The machine can freeze at any time (haven't
had it happen while the screensaver is running, though), rendering it
unresponsive to any key combination. If something happens to be running
where I can see it, I can watch it run -- I'm just helpless to affect it
in any way. I'm finding RH7 much less reliable than Windoze!
The only other problem I've had is that my MB uses a "Compaq Audio
Device", the ac'97, which is not supported by RH -- it's designed for
Windows. I disabled this at the startup screen and improved reliability
a smidgen -- but I have a sense that the freezes occur when the audio
device is trying to be found (for instance, when new mail comes in).
I'm relatively new at this -- but would recompiling the kernel so as to
leave out all sound modules perhaps help?
Thanks!
Fred
Martin Schager wrote:
>
> D. Stimits schrieb:
>
> > Martin Schager wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > > I have a serious problem with my Redhat Linux Distribution (Version 7.0)
> > >
> > > When I run XFree-86, (it does not make any differnce if I use Gnome or
> > > KDE2),the entire system freezes. It woudl be "OK" If XFree-86 4.01 had a
> > > bug and crashed, but freezing the entire system is a catastrophy. I was
> > > running KDE2 and the Opera Web-Browser without any problem.
> > > For no particular reason (Screen was blank, because screensaver was
> > > activated), the system froze. (Suddenly no one using a PC in my internal
> > > home network was able to connect to the internet -> thats how I noticed
> > > that the system froze again).
> > >
> > > This happend several times in the past days.!!!!!!
> > > PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > Otherwise I have to return to SUSE Linux 6.3 and XFree86 Version 3.x
> > > This worked fine (except for ocasional crashes of Netscape, which are
> > > normal)
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > > Martin
> >
> > If the screensaver is an opengl version, and you don't have opengl
> > properly installed (e.g., a software or hardware implementation like
> > mesa), this will happen whenever the screensaver starts. After the first
> > failure, depending on what is damaged on the harddrive due to the crash
> > killing data, it might have corrupted something on the disk that causes
> > it to fail more often than just the original problem would.
>
> The screensaver is not the crashing problem, since this also happend while I
> was working on my PC. But the filesystem might be a good hint, because when
> this problem ocurred for the first time, I had to restart my Computer booting
> from CD in "rescue mode" to fix the filesystem, so I could boot again.
> (Oh if this also Might help: Graphic Card is a Dimond Stealth 3D older model)
> Martin
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From: Frederick Bartlett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Problem with Redhat 7 and XFree86-4.01 System freezes for no
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 01:35:17 GMT
I also have this problem. The machine can freeze at any time (haven't
had it happen while the screensaver is running, though), rendering it
unresponsive to any key combination. If something happens to be running
where I can see it, I can watch it run -- I'm just helpless to affect it
in any way. I'm finding RH7 much less reliable than Windoze!
The only other problem I've had is that my MB uses a "Compaq Audio
Device", the ac'97, which is not supported by RH -- it's designed for
Windows. I disabled this at the startup screen and improved reliability
a smidgen -- but I have a sense that the freezes occur when the audio
device is trying to be found (for instance, when new mail comes in).
I'm relatively new at this -- but would recompiling the kernel so as to
leave out all sound modules perhaps help?
Thanks!
Fred
Martin Schager wrote:
>
> D. Stimits schrieb:
>
> > Martin Schager wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > > I have a serious problem with my Redhat Linux Distribution (Version 7.0)
> > >
> > > When I run XFree-86, (it does not make any differnce if I use Gnome or
> > > KDE2),the entire system freezes. It woudl be "OK" If XFree-86 4.01 had a
> > > bug and crashed, but freezing the entire system is a catastrophy. I was
> > > running KDE2 and the Opera Web-Browser without any problem.
> > > For no particular reason (Screen was blank, because screensaver was
> > > activated), the system froze. (Suddenly no one using a PC in my internal
> > > home network was able to connect to the internet -> thats how I noticed
> > > that the system froze again).
> > >
> > > This happend several times in the past days.!!!!!!
> > > PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > Otherwise I have to return to SUSE Linux 6.3 and XFree86 Version 3.x
> > > This worked fine (except for ocasional crashes of Netscape, which are
> > > normal)
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > > Martin
> >
> > If the screensaver is an opengl version, and you don't have opengl
> > properly installed (e.g., a software or hardware implementation like
> > mesa), this will happen whenever the screensaver starts. After the first
> > failure, depending on what is damaged on the harddrive due to the crash
> > killing data, it might have corrupted something on the disk that causes
> > it to fail more often than just the original problem would.
>
> The screensaver is not the crashing problem, since this also happend while I
> was working on my PC. But the filesystem might be a good hint, because when
> this problem ocurred for the first time, I had to restart my Computer booting
> from CD in "rescue mode" to fix the filesystem, so I could boot again.
> (Oh if this also Might help: Graphic Card is a Dimond Stealth 3D older model)
> Martin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: "top" shows X using 129MB ??
Reply-To: bobh -> haucks org
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 01:43:57 GMT
On Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:43:45 GMT, Lloyd Llewellyn
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Can this possibly be correct? That's half of all my memory!
How much video ram do you have?
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: How to install Red Hat 7.0 on ZIP+ drive
Date: 6 Feb 2001 01:51:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:14:38 -0600, Aubrey Kilpatrick staggered into the
Black Sun and said:
>I am trying to install Red Hat 7.0 on my Iomega ZIP+ 250MB parallel port
>drive and need some help.
>
>I have Slackware 7.0 setup and running on the same drive but I want to get
>RH installed on it also. Both of these installations are to be just a
>minimum linux system setup. No X-windows, etc.
>
>Does anyone know if there are "boot" and "root" disk images available that
>will let me boot the system and then install RH from the standard CDROM
>disk? Are there other methods that will work just as well?
If you have ZipSlack working, why bother with RedHat? Slack was
designed to be very customizable, so that you can pare the system down
small enough to fit on a ZIP disk. Just try to fit RH 7.0 on 250M. I
dare you :-) .
You want to install RH 7.0 on a disk using the standard install
utilities? Bloody heck. There should be a couple of disk images on the
RH install CD, one of them called "modules" and another one called
"boot" or "eide" or something. Boot from the bootdisk, insert the
modules disk and mount it, then get to a console and cd to where the
modules are and execute the following commands:
modprobe parport
modprobe parport_pc
modprobe lp
modprobe imm
(insert ZIP disk)
fdisk -l /dev/sda
If you get something valid from the fdisk command, you should be able to
just partition and install on the ZIP disk (probably using "expert mode"
as the default will do brain-damaged things) as normal. Booting will be
trickier; you must compile a kernel with all the stuff mentioned above
(and SCSI support, and SCSI disk support) directly in the kernel, not as
modules, put that kernel on a floppy, then have it set the root device
to /dev/sda? . And even then, it might not work.
This isn't exactly the easiest thing in the world. The performance will
suck since I/O is so slow on parport drives. Good luck anyway, HTH.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: mkisofs - [order is changed]
Date: 6 Feb 2001 01:51:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 05 Feb 2001 12:28:44 -0600, K. B. Lee staggered into the Black Sun
and said:
>I use mkisofs to make a copy of some mp3 files to a cd.
>When the filenames are long, the program mkisofs makes temporary
>filenames. In the process, it changes the order.
>Consequently, the files written on a cd are physically in wrong order
>and will be played in the wrong order.
Which options are you passing to mkisofs, and what is the hardware
that's playing the MP3-CD? mkisofs has the -r and -J options, for Rock
Ridge and Joliet extensions, which allow long file names. However, if
your MP3-CD player only reads the 8+3 ISO9660 filenames, you may be
screwed. Or you can try the -l option to allow 31-character filenames,
but I assume you've already tried that from what you wrote below.
>Does anybody know how to fix this trouble? (I cannot change all the
>filesnames which I get from napster. They are usually longer than
>31 characters, and contains spaces).
When you say "I cannot..." you're really saying "I'm too lazy to do it."
If your player only keys off the 8+3 filenames, you're going to have to
bite the bullet and write a script to rename your mp3s to 8+3 names
which alphabetize in the order you wish to have the songs played. If
your player can understand Rock Ridge or Joliet, use those options to
mkisofs. HTH,
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: System V init script
Date: 6 Feb 2001 01:57:11 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 06 Feb 2001 00:47:48 +0000, Michael Mullins staggered into the
Black Sun and said:
>I need an init script to run Lotus Domino at startup.
>I have a script in /etc/rc.d/init.d which is partially working.
>I need to run a binary as a user other than root.
>
>Binary /usr/local/domino/bin/server
>Config file /lotus/data/notes.ini
>User lotus
>
>The server binary needs to see the config file (run in same directory at
>startup) otherwise it bombs out
>Can anyone suggest how I can run it as the lotus user?
#!/bin/bash
su - lotus -c "cd /lotus/data/ && /usr/local/domino/bin/server"
man su
man bash
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
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From: Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.misc
Subject: Re: Does JDK 1.3 work with kernel 2.4?
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 01:57:54 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Sorry for such an obvious question, but I can't seem to find a
> definitive answer digging around DejaNews, so I'll just ask it
> outright:
>
> Does the Sun JDK 1.3 work with Kernel 2.4? Anyone out there using it?
I am, it works, and has been, on a precession of 2.4.0-pre, etc.
kernels:
$ java -version
java version "1.3.0"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build
Blackdown-1.3.0-RC1)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build Blackdown-1.3.0-RC1, mixed
mode)
$ uname -r
2.4.2-pre1
Bob L.
--
Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Problem with Redhat 7 and XFree86-4.01 System freezes for no particular
reason!
Reply-To: Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 5 Feb 2001 20:57:25 -0500
On Tue, 06 Feb 2001 01:35:17 GMT, Frederick Bartlett
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I'm relatively new at this -- but would recompiling the kernel so as to
>leave out all sound modules perhaps help?
Probably not. I would suspect somekind of X server problem. RH7 comes
with both 4.01 and 3.3.6. Just guessing you are using 4.01, I would try
3.3.6. You might also look for IRQ conflicts (cat /proc/interrupts).
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Problem with Redhat 7 and XFree86-4.01 System freezes for no particular
reason!
Reply-To: Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 5 Feb 2001 20:57:25 -0500
On Tue, 06 Feb 2001 01:35:17 GMT, Frederick Bartlett
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I'm relatively new at this -- but would recompiling the kernel so as to
>leave out all sound modules perhaps help?
Probably not. I would suspect somekind of X server problem. RH7 comes
with both 4.01 and 3.3.6. Just guessing you are using 4.01, I would try
3.3.6. You might also look for IRQ conflicts (cat /proc/interrupts).
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.help,microsoft.public.win95.networking
Subject: Re: sharing modem connection on 2-pc network
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 01:58:03 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:45:52 +0000, Jim Clayson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have setup a minimal home network consisting of 2 pcs: 1 laptop and
>1 desktop. I have win95 installed on the laptop and RH Linux 6.2
>installed on the desktop. My modem is part of the pcmcia nic
>card(D-Link DMF560TXcombo) which works from the
>laptop(laptech/sager/kapok/clevo 862). My network is working
>beautifully.
>
>How can I setup the network to share the modem I have on the win95
>box(laptop)? I want to be able to surf the net from my desktop at the
>same time as my partner surfs from the laptop.
Win98 (or is it just 98se) comes with internet connection sharing (ICS),
but for Win95 you would need some sort of proxy or NAT32. I have also
used NAT32 to dial into a network through Win95. I am not familiar with
proxies, but http://www.nat32.com/ to check that out.
>If I was able to get my modem working from linux(see earlier msg
>entitled 'detected UART is odd: 16450 maybeio conflict?') I'd very
>quickly give win95 a miss altogether and then I could use whatever X
>display suited me at the time but I have hardware which is bordering
>on ancient so I might be asking a bit too much to have this modem work
>under linux..
>
>Any help much appreciated!
>
>Thanks
>Jim
>
>
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http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/ http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/
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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:23:34 -0600
From: "Arthur H. Gold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie - system() or exec()
Michal Kolesar wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Is possible save std output of $subject functions to a variable in C?
>
> I would like run standard shell command from C program (trough
> system() function in example) and I would like use the output of that
> command
> for next manipulate in the C program.
>
> ex:
>
> char *output;
> output = system("ls -lap");
>
> --
This seems to be a perfect situation for popen (see `man
popen' for details).
In short, popen allows you to run a process and read its
results just like a filestream.
HTH,
--ag
--
Artie Gold, Austin, TX (finger the cs.utexas.edu account
for more info)
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A: Yes I would. But not enough to put it out.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: How to config rsh ?
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:27:39 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 5 Feb 2001 06:57:04 GMT, Wong Sai-kee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I posted to ask for the remote backup. Got the solution on using rsh.
>Tried `man rhosts` from linux got nothing. I setup a /etc/hosts.equiv
>then I can rlogin from one network node to the tape server, but cannot
>rsh, it says permission denied even for a command like `ls`.
~/.rhosts (600 permission in your home dir) is a list of allowed hostnames
remote_usernames that can rlogin or use other r commands as that user.
laptop.localdomain wong
sun81.acae.cuhk.edu.hk skwong
In /etc/inetd.conf (not sure how to do it with xinetd) you need to have
the 'shell' line uncommented to use rsh and other r commands and/or
'login' line uncommented to use rlogin or rsh interactively.
>Is there anything need to be set ? Or the security issue in linux
>forbidden it from doing something ? I tried `man kerberos`, it shows
>nothing.
See 'man 5 hosts_access'. At the very least you should limit in.rshd and
in.rlogind (and probably in teletd) to your LAN or directly connected
known hosts only (since passwords are passed as plain text).
If you want to remotely access your box from the internet (sshd must be
running), use ssh or to copy files use related scp.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 5 Feb 2001 18:32:19 -0800
>You are right. Too bad for your argument, though, that atheists
>often *do* say (2) ["I don't know"],
Actually, that would be an agnostic.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Selling GPL programs
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 02:33:20 GMT
>>>>> "Robert" == Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Robert> John Krane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, In a message on Wed,
Robert> 31 Jan 2001 15:53:38 -0600, wrote :
JK> There are several programs downloadable from the internet with a
JK> GPL license that are for sale. But I thought GPL programs were
JK> free. What is the true story here?
Robert> English is ambiguous. The word 'free' has two *different*
Robert> meanings:
Robert> 1) Zero cost. As in 'I got a free T-Shirt. I did not have to
Robert> pay anything for it!'
Robert> 2) Not being enslaved. As in 'I am free at four this
Robert> afternoon. I am a free man, I am not a number.'
Robert> GPL programs are 'free' in the sense of meaning #2. You are
Robert> free to use them anywhere, anyhow. You are free to make
Robert> copies of them. The source code is freely available.
Robert> When people 'sell' GPL programs, what they are selling is a
Robert> convenience factor: Most people do not have a really
Robert> high-speed connection to the internet. Rather than spend
Robert> 33.80825 *HOURS* with your 56K modem downloading the RedHat
Robert> 6.2 ISO image (and that is *just* the binary RPMS, it will
Robert> take you *another* 33.80825 *HOURS* to download the *Source*
Robert> RPMS, and probably another 20 or so hours to download
Robert> StarOffice), people can spend either $2.00 (each) for bare CDs
Robert> or $50-$80 for a box with a set of CDs, a nicely printed
Robert> install manual, and a post card that can be sent in for 30
Robert> days worth of tech. support (read: hand-holding over the
Robert> phone).
There is a "zero cost" aspect that _tends_ to attach itself to
software licensed under GPL, BSDL, and such, namely the fact that
since no licensing fees accrue to people, there is a pretty strong
tendancy for prices to lean towards $0.
If you charge what people regard as "too much" for your "boxed set,"
then I may have the ability to undercut your price seeing as how
neither of us are paying anyone royalties.
That is exactly why vendors like CheapBytes and LinuxCentral are out
there with "$2 CDs;" that provides a downwards tendancy on pricing.
An interesting bit is that the GPL specifically does _NOT_ preclude
"sale" of softwaer
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Question about Zsh
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 02:34:09 GMT
>>>>> "VANTASSLE" == VANTASSLE CRAIG R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> writes:
VANTASSLE> I was wondering if there was any documentation on the ZSH
VANTASSLE> of Red Hat 7.0. I want to get some in-depth knowledge on
VANTASSLE> this shell. If anyone knows any ideas please let me
VANTASSLE> know.
You might take a look at <http://www.zsh.org/>.
You might also want to look in /usr/doc/zsh [or look for other
directories starting with "zsh" there].
You might try the command:
"info zsh"
or
"pinfo zsh"
which may pop up the Info-based documentation
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http://vip.hex.net/~cbbrowne/unixshells.html
Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK.
- Dr. Brian Reid, 1992
Sometimes one cappucino isn't enough.
- Marcus J. Ranum
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Borodin)
Subject: bash script for ripping mp3 is here
Date: 6 Feb 2001 02:35:40 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,
probably I am in the wrong group. Please do not plonk me.
I have written a bash scrip for ripping mp3 from CD, that can do
almost the same as the graphical programs. It gets the filenames
from the CDBASE via Internet and also writes tags to the
mp3s. Friends of the non graphical application may check:
http://octopus.schunter.etc.tu-bs.de/trackmp3/
Please leave me alive and don't lynch me for my attemt.
JR
--
Odi profanum vulgus et arceo. (Horaz)
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From: Manatee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do I setup an HP 842C printer?
Date: 5 Feb 2001 18:43:49 PDT
Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When you ran printtool, did you try selecting cdj550 or hpdj?
> If so, what were your results?
I did not see either option. How can I select one of those?
--
Manatee
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Selling GPL programs
Date: 5 Feb 2001 20:50:43 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
In a message on Tue, 06 Feb 2001 02:33:20 GMT, wrote :
c> >>>>> "Robert" == Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
c> Robert> John Krane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, In a message on Wed,
c> Robert> 31 Jan 2001 15:53:38 -0600, wrote :
c> JK> There are several programs downloadable from the internet with a
c> JK> GPL license that are for sale. But I thought GPL programs were
c> JK> free. What is the true story here?
c>
c> Robert> English is ambiguous. The word 'free' has two *different*
c> Robert> meanings:
c>
c> Robert> 1) Zero cost. As in 'I got a free T-Shirt. I did not have to
c> Robert> pay anything for it!'
c>
c> Robert> 2) Not being enslaved. As in 'I am free at four this
c> Robert> afternoon. I am a free man, I am not a number.'
c>
c> Robert> GPL programs are 'free' in the sense of meaning #2. You are
c> Robert> free to use them anywhere, anyhow. You are free to make
c> Robert> copies of them. The source code is freely available.
c>
c> Robert> When people 'sell' GPL programs, what they are selling is a
c> Robert> convenience factor: Most people do not have a really
c> Robert> high-speed connection to the internet. Rather than spend
c> Robert> 33.80825 *HOURS* with your 56K modem downloading the RedHat
c> Robert> 6.2 ISO image (and that is *just* the binary RPMS, it will
c> Robert> take you *another* 33.80825 *HOURS* to download the *Source*
c> Robert> RPMS, and probably another 20 or so hours to download
c> Robert> StarOffice), people can spend either $2.00 (each) for bare CDs
c> Robert> or $50-$80 for a box with a set of CDs, a nicely printed
c> Robert> install manual, and a post card that can be sent in for 30
c> Robert> days worth of tech. support (read: hand-holding over the
c> Robert> phone).
c>
c> There is a "zero cost" aspect that _tends_ to attach itself to
c> software licensed under GPL, BSDL, and such, namely the fact that
c> since no licensing fees accrue to people, there is a pretty strong
c> tendancy for prices to lean towards $0.
This is true.
c>
c> If you charge what people regard as "too much" for your "boxed set,"
c> then I may have the ability to undercut your price seeing as how
c> neither of us are paying anyone royalties.
For the most part, the point of a "boxed set," is providing some
'service', such as technical support or a printed manual. There are
lots of people who find it worth spending the $50-$80 for the "boxed
set", for the *service* aspect side, above and beyond the download time
savings (read 30+ hours of download). The local software stores seem to
be doing OK selling "boxed sets", so there *must* be a market for these
boxes.
c>
c> That is exactly why vendors like CheapBytes and LinuxCentral are out
c> there with "$2 CDs;" that provides a downwards tendancy on pricing.
Of course. Those of us who can sit down at a 'virgin' box, drop in a
Linux CD and perform a proper Linux install, totally without bothering to
look at any docs, aside from looking at the monitor's freq. specs, can
use one of these CDs. Or if we have a CDR and a high-speed InterNet
connection (such as at a large corporation or a large university), can
just download an ISO image and burn our own CDs.
c>
c> An interesting bit is that the GPL specifically does _NOT_ preclude
c> "sale" of softwaer
c> --
c> (concatenate 'string "aa454" "@freenet.carleton.ca")
c> http://vip.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html
c> Save the whales. Collect the whole set.
c>
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From: "pascal gauthier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Compile from Micro soft access to Linux
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 02:59:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Carl Kvanvig"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there software that will compile a micro soft based access program
> into linux?
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i know that StarOffice ( www.sun.com ) does read access 97 files.
altought it is a very bad idea to use a ms access db under linux.
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