Linux-Misc Digest #55, Volume #21                Fri, 16 Jul 99 16:13:10 EDT

Contents:
  modules.dep 0 in size?  (aka depmod) (Byron Faber)
  samba moved to a subnet HELLLLLLLPPPPP!!!!!!!!!  #$^(*#$&#& (John Assalone)
  Shortcomings of Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: PPPD dial in ??? (Henrik Fjorback)
  Linux Universe kernal 1.2.X ("Steven Charbonneau")
  Re: OOOOPPPPPSSS, FTP Access (josh ostroff)
  [Help] PPP connection (Vu N Dang)
  Re: GCC Error message (Liam Whalen)
  Problem with socket closure in 2.2 kernel? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Linux soon = Windows (Long) (Tobias Anderberg)
  Re: Linux IRQ oops ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: vmlinuz?? (Gerwin Bijsterbosch)
  Re: Shrink swap partition (John Thompson)
  Re: Red Hat is Crap!! (John Thompson)
  Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux? ("John")
  Re: CIA assassinations (Greg Yantz)
  gtk+-1.2.3 on a lib5 linux problems. Please help me!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  RedHat 6.0 instability (Sean Harding)
  Re: script breaks: how compatible bash is with sh/ksh (Kenny McCormack)
  Re: Can't run executables (yes I use ./) (Timothy Redmond)

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From: Byron Faber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: modules.dep 0 in size?  (aka depmod)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:23:24 GMT

Hiya,

I managed to get my system into a state where depmod -a
always generates a modules.dep files of 0 bytes in size.

Anybody ever seen this?

If so, whats the fix?

Perplexed,
Byron

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From: John Assalone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: samba moved to a subnet HELLLLLLLPPPPP!!!!!!!!!  #$^(*#$&#&
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:43:38 -0400

I had a perfectly working linux samba server that i moved behind a load
balancer/firewall last night (don't ask why). Anyway, samba is running
and i can connect to it via smbclient from my (Linux) box on the
external network. I can connect from it to our NT PDC via smbclient.
None of the NT workstations on the external network can see the samba
server or find it through from find computer. This is very important...

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:58:20 GMT

Is this guy right on the money regarding the mentioned shortcomings
of Linux?

In article <7mkmun$knv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Holger Kruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ancipital <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > However, a lot of the other comments are
> > based on 2.0x, and to say that it's "the worst in the business" is
> > just cynical, mendacious FUD.
>
> That is your opinion.
>
> There are three major TCP/IP stack families: BSD, Microsoft
> and Linux. And yes, out of these three Linux has come up by
> far worst in my two years of interoperability testing. It is
> the only stack for which I ever had to put explicit workarounds
> in my code.
>
> Initially bugs I reported to the Linux developers were
> dismissed as "no bugs", but after the recent discussion
> and flamewars renewed talks with Linux developers could
> confirm at least one of the bugs, and I am happy to say
> that it is fixed in some of the more recent Linux versions.
>
> In any case, direct bugs are not really the main issue. The
> problem is that Amiga Inc. needs a TCP/IP kernel that is
> very solid, well peer-reviewed, well extensible, widely used,
> well-understood, professionally maintained etc.  From my
> point of view Linux simply does not fit into that category.
> It is maintained by hobby programmers, which by itself is not
> bad, of course, but IMHO makes it unsuitable for use in
> multimedia convergence systems and vertical markets. For those
> kinds of applications Amiga Inc. needs solid support because of
> the fast pace TCP/IP is changing these years. Just yesterday
> IANA announced that IPv6 addresses are now being assigned to
> regional Internet registries, i.e. the IPv6 transition WILL
> begin, probably very soon -- at a time when some issues of
> IPv6 are still not completely hashed out (e.g. multicast
> routing in IPv6). Microsoft is pushing these things very
> hard, and I don't doubt that they will succeed, as usual.
>
> For years Microsoft has been stalling IETF and developing
> its own protocols, different from official standards,
> hoping that wide deployment of their proprietary protocols
> will eventually throw out official standards and give Microsoft
> a head start. Sometimes they succeeded, but on the Internet
> more often than not they failed. Bill Gates almost completely
> ignored the Internet initially, and tried to side-step it
> later. That was probably his biggest mistake ever, and he
> knows it and has changed his strategy since then.
>
> For the last few years Microsoft has been trying to push
> their own ideas and strategies through IETF as official
> standards (e.g. DHCP, a Microsoft-invented extension to
> BootP). Basically Microsoft develops something on their own,
> pushes it as a (hopefully, from their point of view, very
> complex) standard, that is difficult to implement, and then
> gets a head start from the work they have already done by
> being the first company with a working implementation.
> Everyone else has to catch up.
>
> Of course this only works if Microsoft actually succeeds
> in making their ideas standards, and recently they have,
> because of their very close cooperation with IETF and other
> committees. Those committees used to be more tilted towards
> Sun, SGI, DEC etc. but recently Microsoft has become dominant
> almost everywhere.
>
> There are very few groups and organizations that can still
> withstand Microsoft, and most of those that do have one thing
> in common: they all use BSD, either by extending it, or by
> incorporating it in their own proprietary OS or software.
> This means instead of requiring every company to implement
> and test all new standards on its own, the work can be split
> up among companies, the results are published, and the
> knowledge can be shared. Plus the companies can use their
> existing infrastructure for testing. This way several smaller
> companies with proper financial backing can make up for the
> size of Microsoft. KAME is one of the projects that works like
> that: a group of companies that cooperate on extending BSD for
> IPv6, IPsec (encryption etc.) and other things.
>
> Back to Linux: the main concern I have is that Linux does
> not fit into these power struggles, and that there is
> probably a good chance that Linux will simply be "swept
> away" in a few years if Linux cannot keep up with the pace
> of development. Considering how amateurish (not meant in a
> degrading way) Linux development works, I doubt that it can
> hold up against Microsoft for long. Development of Internet
> protocol implementations is quite expensive. It requires a
> lot of travelling (to committees, for interoperability
> testing etc.), purchase of hardware, renting of high-speed
> Internet lines etc.  Not a big deal for large companies,
> but difficult for small groups and loose communities without
> much of a financial structure. That is why I do not write
> most of the more complex Internet protocol implementations
> myself, from scratch, but rather port them from BSD. That
> requires less testing and is much cheaper.
>
> I give BSD-derived operating systems a much better chance
> than Linux, mostly because of their financial support, in
> particular from Japanese companies (Hitachi, Toshiba etc.).
>
> Also, don't overestimate the switching costs from Linux
> to BSD and the power of the installed base. Linux users
> are NOT locked into the Linux OS in any way yet. For DOS
> and Windows lock-in and switching costs have been strong
> arguments why people could not switch to a different OS,
> but for Linux they are not:
>
> Linux is Posix-based, with a small set of system calls,
> compared to the extremely convoluted Windows. The Linux API
> can easily be emulated by BSD operating systems. NetBSD
> does, as a matter of fact, i.e. many "Linux applications"
> will also work with NetBSD (at full speed). The reason
> why many people today choose Linux over BSD is because of
> the all-present Linux hype and because Linux is available at
> every computer store and easier to install. QNX certainly
> also has the potential of fully emulating Linux system
> calls and running most Linux applications (on x86 at least).
>
> If, at some point in time, a new BSD-based OS is pushed by
> a big company, and that OS is more advanced in its networking
> support and supports the Linux API then I would not be
> surprised if that OS took over and people started using their
> former "Linux applications" with the new OS.
>
> Because of that I think it is unwise to concentrate so
> much on the marketing factor. Linux and its installed
> base are not nearly as strong as operating systems in
> the past. IMHO the technical qualities and the financial
> backing and stability should be more important, and I still
> maintain that I don't believe that Linux TCP/IP has the same
> potential to become one of the leading TCP/IP stacks in the
> next ten years as BSD and Microsoft have, mostly for historic
> and organizational reasons. IMHO that is a very powerful
> argument against using the Linux kernel for AmigaOS.
>
> --
> Holger Kruse   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>                http://www.nordicglobal.com
>                NO COMMERCIAL SOLICITATION !
>
>


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From: Henrik Fjorback <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: PPPD dial in ???
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:30:57 +0200

Have a look at:
http://www.swcp.com/~jgentry/pers.html

Regards,
Henrik Fjorback


"Chow Hoi Ka, Eric" wrote:

> Hello,
>
> How to setup the Linux for Dial in ????
>
> Would you please to show me a detail steps for setting it ?
>
> Best regards,
> Eric
>
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From: "Steven Charbonneau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Universe kernal 1.2.X
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:02:12 -0500

Hi,
I am running the Linux version 1.2.X that came with the book Linux Universe
from Springer-Verlag by Strobel an Uhl. When talking about what version I am
running, would I call this simply 1.2.X? Would I be able to program this
kernals ConfigXF86 to support AGP cards? or to support the USB ports ?
I made a promise to myself to learn this OS four years ago when I couldn't
get it to work on my PS1, and the "hacker" mentality behind it says to learn
to program this old kernal and stay away from "buying" Red Hats.

Thanks.
Steven Charbonneau



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From: josh ostroff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OOOOPPPPPSSS, FTP Access
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:32:41 -0400

Art,

Please PMJI with a [dumb] question.  I don't have ftpd on my RH6 system
- is that why I can't get ftp to work (i.e. I can't ftp in) since I
upgraded from RH5.2?  

from inetd.conf:

ftp     stream  tcp     nowait  root    /usr/sbin/tcpd  in.ftpd -l -a

I know that ftp is running, however:

# netstat -a|grep ftp
tcp        0      0 *:ftp                   *:*                    
LISTEN     

Thanks for any suggestions!

Josh

Art S. Kagel wrote:
> 
> You need the ftp daemon, ftpd, either running in memory or configured
> for the inet daemon, inetd, to start for you.  Unless you have a lot
> of ftp traffic it is normally started by inetd.  Look in the inetd
> config file: /etc/inetd.conf you should see a line like:
> 
> ftp     stream  tcp     nowait   root   /usr/bin/ftpd   ftpd -t900
> 
> If it is commented out then uncomment it, if missing add it (I'm not
> sure where RH keeps the ftpd so you may have to find it to get the path
> right for arg #6.
> 
> Art S. Kagel
> 
> Greg Coggins wrote:
> >
> > Ok so I mucked up the last note, we will try it again:
> >
> > I am using RH 6.0.  I need to FTP into the system to work on it.  I have
> > verified that FTP, Wu-FTPD, anonftp and ncftp are all on the system but
> > I can not FTP into the box from anywhere.
> >
> > I have look at the ftpaccess, ftpusers and FTP hosts, but I must be
> > missing something as I still can not get into the box.
> >
> > Help would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vu N Dang)
Subject: [Help] PPP connection
Date: 16 Jul 1999 18:03:57 GMT

Is it possible if I want to get dial and make a PPP connection to my ISP
automatically after I boot my machine up - before the login prompt appear?

Thanks
VD--

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From: Liam Whalen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GCC Error message
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:06:22 GMT

Derek Scotney wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I am running Redhat 6.0 at the moment, and when I try to compile new apps I
> get the following error message when I run './configure':
>
> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot
> create executables.
>
> I have tried to uninstall and re-install GCC but that does not work.  I am
>

When you re-installed gcc did you also re-insall your bin-utils?  Such as ld
and as.  Try reposting this question to gnu.gcc.help and list your gcc version
as well.

Liam



> logging in as ROOT so I shouldn't have any access restrictions.  When I ran
> Redhat 5.2 everything ran without a problem.
>
> I would appreciate any help in this regard.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Derek.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Problem with socket closure in 2.2 kernel?
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:14:41 GMT

Hi

I've noticed that when TCP sockets are closed (in C code) using the close()
call in a program running under a 2.2 kernel, occasionally not all the
remaining data is sent to the remote host. Setting the SO_LINGER option via
setsockopt makes no difference and the only way to solve the problem is to
use the shutdown() function, but since this is non blocking this would
require some sort of program timer to be written that makes the program go
back and close the socket once this has expired to free up the file
descriptor (calling close() immediately after a shutdown has the same
effect as just calling the close on its own).

The programs I've seen this behaviour on have run with no problems under
2.0 kernels and earlier not to mention solaris , hp-ux, osf/1 , aix and
sequent dynix so I suspect there may be something wrong with TCP in 2.2
If I'm wrong please tell me a way around this problem because its becoming
annoying.

Thanks in advance.

NJR

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tobias Anderberg)
Subject: Linux soon = Windows (Long)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:21:21 +0200

>I just installed SuSE Linux 6.1 [...]  I let YaST do the all the stuff,
>I just chose the defaults and boom - I have a beautiful KDE desktop.

I decided to reflect on this issue after reading the above statement. It's 
something that's been nagging me for some time now and I just wanted 
to share my 0.2$. Please note that I'm not attacking the poster of the 
above statement.

Hmm, so the Windows phenomenon is finally creeping up on Linux. This
has been my fear since I first saw how people yielded about Redhat's
RPM superiosity. It must've been sometime around '95. Ahh, the memories...

It was back in those days (I started with Linux in '94) when people
switch to Linux because it was different, they wanted to learn, it
was stable, easy to develop for and so on. It was the days when every
program came as a tarball, and you usually had to modify the code
a bit to get it to compile on your system. So much cursing, so much joy.

I remember the days when you actually needed to know your Linux system
to be able to use it. You needed to know about the configuration files,
how to tweak them. Practically no gui utilities where available to
eas the tweaking. Because the users didn't need them, they knew their
system. When something failed them they RTFM, inspected the source and
they made it work. It were the days of the programmers and advanced
users.

Then came the users who didn't inhabited the knowledge that the current
Linux users did. But they were enchanted by this new operating system
that was supposed to be a lot better than, for instance Windows.
Perhaps they thought that Linux would bring them the properties that
Windows had, but so much better. And when they were faced with the
obscure command line, with it's strange commands and the bare
X11 that didn't include half the tingle-tangle that Windows had
they cried for help. They cried for help on how to use the commands,
they cried for help when a program didn't compile, they cried for this
and they cried for that.

They didn't realize that using vi/emacs with Tex/Latex you could
produce excellent documents (as far as layout goes), they didn't
understand the power of sed/awk/cut/paste/grep/find etc. And they
didn't care, they just wanted the eas of using Windows with the
power of Linux. They wanted their wordprocessors and games on a
stable platform. They didn't care to be a power user. They didn't
care for knowledge.

So, as a result Linux is more an more becoming an stable Windows
platform. At least on the user and application side. We see more
and more programs for X11 which uses all the fancy buttons and themes
to look pretty. But are they so much better than the equal console
based application? It feels that the average new user spends all his
Linux time in X11. Which he could configure for himself in the first
place ("I just chose the defaults and boom...."). Though there is
absolutley nothing wrong with X11, I think that users should explore
Linux at the command line, learing how the looks and feel of the
system. Learning how to tweak the configuration files. The new users
are simply lazy. Really, how many of the new users read all the docs
available to them, check the source code and try for themself, before
they ask for help?

Given a few years I think Linux have narrowed down to a few
distributuions which installes a fancy GUI and automatically boots
to it. It will have all the common tools that Windows has, and it
will be used linux Windows.

You might say that we (old Linux user) are ignorant who just keep
cramping on to our commandline tools. But at least we know what
we're doing when we're configuring the system and installing programs
and so on (at least sometimes we do).

A few years ahead it's probably time to change OS again.

NOTE: I'm not an expert Linux user, and I too sometimes fall victim
for easy "rpm -ivh" solution.

--
tobias - using Redhat/Slackware/SunOS/FreeBSD


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux IRQ oops
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:22:00 GMT

"Hunter Ritchie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Question::  How or where do I manipulate settings (through commands or
>script modification) to get Linux to look for the card at IRQ 10?  I've
>tried 'ifconfig' and 'ether=' at boot.  Neither has worked (which means they
>both probably do and I just didn't use them correctly.)

I suspect it will being passed to the relevant module as an argument in
one of the init scripts residing in /etc/rc.d. I don't use redhat personally
(because they make such a dogs dinner of lots of supposedly simple things
 including the /etc/rc.d filesystem ironically) so I couldn't tell you which
one but look for something called rc.inet or similar and then search for "eth"
and the number 5 in the file.

NJR

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gerwin Bijsterbosch)
Subject: Re: vmlinuz??
Date: 16 Jul 1999 18:51:03 GMT

On 16 Jul 1999 17:50:45 GMT, lawrence ta-wei lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>hi,
>
>i'm a newbie to Linux.  i just installed Slackware 4.0 and i guess
>i'm running the vmlinuz kernel.  i was wondering how one decides
>to change/upgrade kernels.  I don't see any problem with the one
>I'm using but i keep reading about people upgrading their kernels.
>I just wanted to know why someone upgrades a kernel and if i should.

New kernels fix problems and bring support for new hardware such as
soundcards. Speed may also improve (2.2 is quite a bit faster than 2.0) as
well as stability (though some people claim that 2.0 is more stable than
2.2).

        Gerwin

--
Gerwin Bijsterbosch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Also known as Qyroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--
Red Hat Linux 6.0 on a Pentium III @ 450 MHz


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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Shrink swap partition
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:30:53 -0600

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
> I have 128 MB memory but I still created 256 MB swap space. Then I
> realized the maximum swap space Linux can use is 128 MB. I already have
> some software installed on the system. Can I non-destructively shrink
> the swap space to 128 MB? Thanks.

There's no essential data on the swap partition so you
should be able to delete the existing swap partition and
recreate a smaller one(s).  Be aware that if you create more
than one partition in the space formerly occupied by the
swap partition you may change your partition numbering and
therefore may need to edit your /etc/fstab and reconfigure
and re-run lilo to reflect the changes.

-- 

-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat is Crap!!
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:40:17 -0600

blah wrote:

> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 

> Get Slackware or Debian, they are the only pure distributions!
> 
> Anyone who has used both Red Hat and either of these distributions
> knows this!

This was from somebody using Windows to post...

My take is that you may as well try seveal distributions. 
Go with whichever one you want.  If you don't like RedHat,
fine, don't use it.  You have a choice.

And what's all this about "pure distributions?"  I suspect 
this is only a concern if you're using linux for religious 
reasons.

-- 

-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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From: "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux?
Date: 16 Jul 1999 18:56:16 GMT

Are those games linux versions or do you use an emulator?  I knew doom
could be played in linux but had no idea that Civilization Call to Power
could.

root <"NOSPAM propsync"@stratos.net> wrote in article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Brad Grimes wrote:
> 
> > If so, I'm writing a magazine article about operating systems and I'd
like
> > to hear from you. Drop me a line at:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Thanks.
> 
> I am happy to say that I am 100% completely windows free for the
> last 2 months.  Linux satisfies all my needs, including games.
> Just purchased Civilization call to power and am running
> quake2.
> 
> 

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From: Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 16 Jul 1999 15:55:25 -0400

Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> >>>>> "MK" == MK  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>   MK> Every socialism evolves into Soviet system, because this is
>   MK> inherent fate of socialism being unsustainable system. From
>   MK> Jamestown to Russia. Read "Animal Farm" by George Orwell for
>   MK> good metaphor of mechanism of transformation.  

Planned economies of any sort have inherent problems. They don't always
seem to tranform into something totalitarian, but the groundwork has
already been laid, as it were. Try "The Road to Serfdom" by H.A. Hayek.

>       Oh nonsense. 

>       The Soviet system was great, until it moved away from
> the Soviet system and became Stalinist. 

What Soviet system? Agriculture in the Soviet Union was only worthy
of the name before it was collectivised. Ironic that the only functional
agricultural system the Soviet Union ever had was free enterprise in nature.

-Greg

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: gtk+-1.2.3 on a lib5 linux problems. Please help me!!
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:30:45 GMT

Hello
    I am trying to install gtk+-1.2.3 on COL 1.3 but I can't make it.
Instead I've got
loads of errors such as:

../gdk/.libs/libgdk.so: undefined reference to `g_main_add_poll'
.libs/libgtk.so: undefined reference to `g_get_prgname'
.libs/libgtk.so: undefined reference to `g_node_reverse_children'
../gdk/.libs/libgdk.so: undefined reference to
`g_io_channel_unix_get_fd'
.libs/libgtk.so: undefined reference to `g_quark_from_static_string'
.libs/libgtk.so: undefined reference to `g_main_new'
.libs/libgtk.so: undefined reference to `g_main_run'
../gdk/.libs/libgdk.so: undefined reference to `g_source_add'

Any hint?

Thanks

Ed


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From: Sean Harding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RedHat 6.0 instability
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:05:37 GMT

Has anyone had problems with stability in RedHat 6.0? I'm having quite a 
bit of trouble with programs randomly crashing (usually without a core
dump, so there's no way to see what happened) on my machine. The computer
is a PII 350, 128 MB RAM, Asus motherboard, one 4GB IDE disk, 256 MB of 
swap. It's a work machine, and came with Win95 installed. I used windows on
it for about 2 days before I got a chance to install something else (choosing
RedHat 6.0 only because it was the most readily available CD at the moment).
Windows didn't seem to have any problems, but I also barely used it 
during that time. So, the idea of a hardware problem is *not* out of the
question, but I wanted to bounce this off some other folks to see if anyone
has seen similar problems.

Basically, the programs will just "go away." Sometimes it's a seg fault, 
sometimes I don't get any error. When compiling thigs, I have problems
like internal compiler errors (using both the egcs that came with it and
a gcc 2.8.1 I installed). Sometimes I'll leave it xlocked and come back 
to find it at the login screen, with nothing in the logs and no other
evidence of what has happened. Now, I've seen this kind of thing with
an overheating CPU (the fan had failed), but a cursory inspection doesn't
show that problem here.

This problem is made worse by the fact that this is my primary workstation
right now, I don't really have time to wipe it and install something else,
and our corporate deskside suppork folk won't even look at it in the context
of hardware problems unless they can see the problem in windows. *sigh*

Any thoughts? TIA.

sean

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenny McCormack)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.shell,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: script breaks: how compatible bash is with sh/ksh
Date: 16 Jul 1999 14:28:50 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <7lp162$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Farid Hamjavar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
....
>In regards to '[['
>Am I missing something.... 
>How should one interpret the following then?

Unfortunately, BASH does have a [[ ]] thingie, but it is a different [[ ]]
thingie than the ksh [[ ]] thingie.

So, there is room for confusion...

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From: Timothy Redmond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can't run executables (yes I use ./)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:35:19 -0700
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I use Linux with kernel version 2.0.34 and libc 5.4.44.
> I downloaded some executables, but when trying to run them I get the
> message "Command not found". Of course I put the executables in a
> directory which is in the path and ran rehash. In fact, if I run
> "which executable_name", I get the exact path to the executable.
> Copying the command to the current directory and running
> ./executable_name doesn't help. Notice that the executables have the
> right permissions set and the command "file executable_name" says that
> executable_name is an ELF 32-bit LSB executable. Everything works fine
> with executables I compiled myself.

Another possibility that no-one has mentioned yet is that the executables
may actually be scripts.  If they are and the first line is #!/...some
path...  then your problem may be that you don't have the executable
represented by /...some path...  In this case and for certain shells you
will get the error "command not found" which I think is very misleading.

-Timothy



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