Linux-Misc Digest #60, Volume #21 Sat, 17 Jul 99 07:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
Re: Is CD-R usuable as backup medium on Linux? (Calvin Ostrum)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
Re: newbie: 'ls' scrolls past top of screen (Jeremiah)
Re: Wanted: Portable (hardware) MP3 player that works with Linux? (Sitaram Chamarty)
Re: Help - Need to shift memeory over to /var ASAP. (Peter Samuelson)
Lynx for cron-jobs (Sascha)
Re: kppp , modem busy problem, help. SuSE6.1 (tuco)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
Re: Question regarding syslogd and syslog.conf (Sitaram Chamarty)
Re: XWindows Problem - HELP !!! (tuco)
Re: i am going insane (Anita Lewis)
Re: Lynx for cron-jobs (John R. Dennison)
Re: [vesafb] framebuffer wont work for me... :(
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 17 Jul 1999 09:27:42 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Nobody can ensure "we're all just fine". That just does not happen
>in this world. However, we can be possibly best off, though that
>"best" is not perfect. If government keeps its hands off the economy
>and people's affairs, we're best off that it can be there. "If one
There's a time when government did that, it was called the Roaring 20s
and led directly to the Great Depression.
>can keep government from taking away from people supposedly
>for caring for them, people will be happier" -- Thomas Jefferson
>(please forgive distortions from retranslation back into English).
>
>Take note: not "absolutely happy". Happier. So much and only
>that much.
If you could stop the US government from taking from the poor
to give to the rich, the poor will be immensely happier. If you
can stop it from raping the Third World under the pretense of
"economic development" then they will be happier too. However,
this is only a first step; it would be far better if the USA
restored what it has stolen from the Third World, and it would
also be far better if the USA instituted a progressive tax
system that took from the rich to give to the poor.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Calvin Ostrum)
Subject: Re: Is CD-R usuable as backup medium on Linux?
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 06:45:52 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow) wrote:
| >This is the reason I want to use CD-R's, but I cannot afford a drive.
| >(But note that you could "do ``something''" to the CD-R's also if you
| >are not careful).
|
| True, but the data is split across several simple, plastic disks, not
| contained in one fragile, complex piece of equipment.
I agree, which is why I want them. Although I havent investigated
how long lasting CD's or CD-R's actually are. Perhaps nobody knows.
Aaargh, another thing to look into. I suspect, however, that they
would last better than mag tape. I have a few 20 year old
800 foot mag tapes in my closet I would like to look at, but even
if they haven't gone bad, I don't know where I could go to get
them read cheaply (i.e., for free, basically), so there they sit.
| >And right now, my current main concern is the 24X Creative Labs
| >CDROM drive I just bought this morning. It seems to work okay once a
| >disk is mounted, but it's damn hard getting it mounted. Same thing is
| >true in DOS, Windows 95, and Linux. Don't know why, and will
|
| Return! Return! Return! :)
The vendors around here are not very nice. Before believing
something doesn't work right, they seem to want you to bring
your machine into them so they can fiddle with it themselves.
The drive is definitely wonky, but I despair of getting them
to agree. I'm not carting my entire system a few miles in
35 degree weather just so it can act okay in the few minutes
they see it. Hopefully they will agree to take it back for
a restocking fee :-(
Part of the problem in the Unix case is the IDE CD-ROM
driver in 2.0.32. It doesn't deal with wonky drives well
at all. It tries to mount them, fails, then claims they are
mounted and the only recourse at this point is to reboot.
http://www.linuxhq.com/wonderful22.html claims that 2.2
has an entirely rewritten driver, so it's time to upgrade
the kernel.
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Calvin Ostrum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Freedom is a pain in the Burridan's Ass -- Rebecca Goldstein
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 17 Jul 1999 09:39:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>No. As long as monopoly does not have backing of government,
>it falls apart in finite time due to internal contradicting interests.
Right. The "finite" time might just be two thousand years but as
long as it breaks down *sometime* then everyone in the here and
now should be perfectly happy.
>No market reaches monopoly status. Game called Prisoner's Dilemma
>guarantees breakdown of cartel. If it is more profitable to "betray"
This must be why cartels just keep going on and on and on and on
with no sign of betrayal whatsoever. What a load of crap. Just by
your choice of words ("cartel") you exclude all the unofficial and
unconscious agreements that lead to price manipulation.
>for bigger short term profit than upkeep "loyalty" in long term
>for moderate profit, the game will be betrayed. That's how price
For moderate profit *for EVER* or short-term profit then self-implosion.
>wars begin for example.
Geez, and have you noticed that everyone considers price wars
a *bad* thing and that truces are called as quickly as possible?
Free market ideology calls for *constant* price wars; in fact,
that's exactly what a free market is, a state of perpetual war.
>OPEC countries had hold their monopoly for nearly 15 years. Milton
>Friedman had said at end of that period that maybe OPEC managed to put
>together effective cartel. Six months later, OPEC flopped. There are
>no permanent cartels, unless, and that's a big one, it has protection
>of government controlling the whole market.
Oh, yeah, because 15 fucking years might as well be no time at all!
Btw: OPEC is a Good Thing, but it never was very effective.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 17 Jul 1999 09:45:30 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Holy Cow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Richard Kulisz wrote:
>> You witless cretin,
>So, why are you responding to him then <G>?
Probably the same reason you are.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 17 Jul 1999 09:56:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Holy Cow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Phillip Lord wrote:
>> The Soviet system was great, until it moved away from
>> the Soviet system and became Stalinist.
>How can you say something like that? What was so great about the Soviet
>system before 'it became Stalinist'? It was a bunch of bullsh#t
>ideologically and a bunch of butchery otherwise--from the very first
>moment, forget Stalin. Stalin, if anything, stabilized all this crap.
Socialism collapsed around 1920 in the Soviet Union.
A 'soviet' is, literally, a democratic worker's organization so the
"Soviet system" just means Democracy. One of the things that Stalin
did was ban all the soviets. Before Stalin, the only butchery was
from invasions by capitalist nations.
And you might want to read up on Marxism before you declare it's bullshit;
it's had enormous appeal for millions of oppressed people so it must be
doing *something* right.
http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/contemp/pamsetc/socfrombel/sfb_main.htm
is a good place to start. Play with the URL for more stuff.
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremiah)
Subject: Re: newbie: 'ls' scrolls past top of screen
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:15:54 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"R.K.Aa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thusly:
> Andrew de los Reyes wrote:
>>
>> i just installed Linux and here's what keeps annoying me: when I type
>> 'ls -l', the output scrolls past the screen. sometimes just 'ls' will
>> solve the problem, but other times it still scrolls past. Is there any
>> way to get it to pause between screens or some other solution (I am
>> reminded of DOS' "dir /p").
>
> ls -la |more
> pipe things to "more" to make it fill only a screenful
Or better yet, use 'ls -la | less'. Some general idea, but
with 'less', you can go back by hitting 'b', and when you hit the end of
the list, it won't terminate (you have to hit 'q' to quit). The 'more'
solution is more like DOS, but I find the 'less' solution handier.
Also, you might want to drop the following in your ~/.alias file:
alias lls 'ls -ls | less'
(Oh, and you might need a 'source ~/.alias' line in your ~/.bashrc or
~/.tcshrc to get the aliases to take effect)
Brian
--
email to bmeloon1 at twcny dot rr dot com. evilquaker is a spam collector
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Portable (hardware) MP3 player that works with Linux?
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:01:10 GMT
On 13 Jul 1999 22:21:44 GMT, John C. Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>My question is; Are there any other Linux compatible players that I
>have left out?
http://www.empeg.com IIRC for a radically different take on this!
(I"m sure you knew about it, but if you didn't, you'll get a kick
out of it - even if it doesn't qualify for your constraints).
> I've included the Diamond Rio for information only. I'm dating myself,
>but I vividly recall the attitude that Diamond took in the early 90's
>with regard to releasing the programming information for it's video
>cards (the XFree86 folks couldn't get the information needed to support
>their cards). With that memory still fresh, I have no intentions of
>*ever* purchasing any Diamond product.
A corporation is not an individual. If an individual is an
ass-hole today, the chances are good (though not 100%) that he
will be one a few years later. Corporations, however, are not
like that. They can change in an instant.
Management changes. New ideas come up, concepts that seemed alien
seem very reasonable now. Business rules change based on market
or even public perceptions.
I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that Diamond is no
longer doing things in the old way. It's very likely that the
collective pressure of "I wont buy Diamond" is what made them
re-think.
But if that attitude persists *after* they did the re-think, then
you're actually harming the Linux cause. You're removing the only
incentive that makes companies re-think their policies! That
helps no one. I mean - why should any other company bother to
listen to the complaints of us Linux-ers when we say to them
"please open up your hardware specs", if they think that such
opening up isn't going to get them the business of the Linux
people anyway?
Live in the present, not in the past!
I don't mean to offend or anything, but I hope you get what I'm
trying to say.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Samuelson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Help - Need to shift memeory over to /var ASAP.
Date: 17 Jul 1999 04:21:53 -0500
Reply-To: Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[Posted and mailed per request]
[Nico Zigouras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> I run a server running RedHat 5.2 with A LOT of mail in /var and it
> is maxing out as we speak. I need to do an emergency allocation of
> memory to it this weekend because I can't have my ISP put more mem
> on the server until Monday. Any suggestions?
Your post is more than a little confusing. By "memory" do you mean
disk space? If so, the best option to do on a temporary basis is to
"borrow" another filesystem. Typically you might have extra space in
/usr. So, create a directory under /usr:
mkdir /usr/var-tmp
Determine who is using space in /var:
du -sk /var/*/*
Pick candidate directories to move over into /usr. Now move them:
cp -a /var/foo/bar /usr/var-tmp/bar
mv /var/foo/bar /var/foo/bar-orig
ln -s /usr/var-tmp/bar /var/foo/bar
rm -fr /var/foo/bar-orig
This could conceivably cause a minor upset to whatever system daemons
might be depending on the contents of whatever directories you move.
If necessary, restart said daemons. HTH.
--
Peter Samuelson
<sampo.creighton.edu!psamuels>
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From: Sascha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Lynx for cron-jobs
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:52:24 +0200
I need to daily get a html-file via http, and save it local. I want to
keep this as simple as possible with a cron job. So I wonder, if lynx
can be invoked by commandline with the URL, save the corresponding file
and then terminate by its own. The thing is, that I can't find this
functionality in the lynx documentation, but my feeling tells me, that
lynx can do this. if not, are there any other SIMPLE ways to do get
files via http, and save them localy?
Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks!
Sascha
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tuco)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: kppp , modem busy problem, help. SuSE6.1
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 10:29:47 GMT
On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:47:48 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Try turning Plug-N-Play off in your BIOS. That worked for me.
>hi there
>
> 1st can SuSE 6.1 be setup to use my modem for dialup and my ethernet
>card for a cable modem?
> Good, well for now (till my cable modem gets here) i need to get
>kppp working, i get an error message that says sorry,
>the modem is busy.
>
>i dont know what could be using the modem , how can i findout?
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 17 Jul 1999 10:33:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 15 Jul 1999 05:32:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
>wrote:
>>The *governments* did not want their people to revolt against them,
>>but that goes without saying.
>
>No, not all people wanted to revolt. Factions, fighting each other.
<rolleyes> And I suppose 100% of the population wanted to revolt
during the French Revolution? And there were no factions, everybody
in the revolt was perfectly harmonious, right?
>They did not want to. During 1917 in Petersburg there was no
>revolutionary sentiments. Kerensky's government was obsessed
Oooh, and what the hell does the *government* have to do with
a revolt *against* said government?
>with legalism. There was political debate, but no will to revolt.
>So Lenin had to arrange this "but they do want to revolt
>even though they don't" trick with German money and 7 thousand
>soldiers and to make up propaganda lies later.
Oh, please. Citations? References?
>Jamestown was a commune. True one. Ended with "who
>does not work, does not eat". Sounds totalitarian to me.
Jamestown -> capitalism = totalitarian
>Communism -> a form of Soviet system.
No, shithead.
>Militia in Russia was looking for people "evading working".
>Different place, same mechanism.
The problem with guaranteed employment and lack of incentives
can be solved in ways far better than starving people to death.
But it looks like you go for brutality and torture.
>>It's never been *tried* on a large scale you shithead.
>
>It has been, you moron. On widest scale possible. In dozens
>of experiments, whole countries, from East Germany to North Korea,
>from Yugoslavia to the polar circle in Russia.
<rolleyes> That wasn't communism or socialism, it was mere collectivism.
The idea that the USSR was communist or socialist past 1920 is nothing
more than propaganda, both Stalin's and Uncle Sam's. Uncle Sam wanted
to associate communism with totalitarianism while Stalin wanted to
justify his atrocities.
>> You
>>clearly don't know the first thing about communism if you
>>have to repeat the old american propaganda.
>
>Did not have much opportunity for that as I do not live in US.
It was also Stalin's own propaganda.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,redhat.config
Subject: Re: Question regarding syslogd and syslog.conf
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 10:40:07 GMT
On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:31:04 GMT, rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hey there, here's a quick one for you. I want to see
>practically everything that goes in and out of my machine via
>syslog. I thought i had my current syslog.conf file good...
>but i don't see su attempts or auth attempts and the like...
>how would i see *everything?* thanks for your time.
Putting the line
*.* /var/log/messages
in syslogd.conf makes _every_ message go into the specified file.
This only applies to daemons/programs that make use of syslog, of
course (but most all of them do).
It also leads to *huge* amounts of output from - say - pppd! Be
warned :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tuco)
Subject: Re: XWindows Problem - HELP !!!
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 10:38:10 GMT
On Sat, 17 Jul 1999 03:33:16 -0400, "a1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I have Red Hat 5.1 I cannot get the OS to see my Mouse for nothing.
>I have a serial mouse. I went into XF86Config and made sure that the
>necessary entries reflected that fact.
>Other problem. I cannot get the resolution to be 1024 x 800 . It always
>defaults to 320 x 200.
>This is a pain I really need help. Can you imagine I run XWindows, but when
>I do I cannot see properly and its "hands off the mouse"
>
>Help Please I need to navigate and See.
>
>a1
>
>
I can't help you with your mouse problem. Your resolution problem is
probably due to your XF86Config file. Make sure you have the correct
Modelines for your different resolution settings. In your Display
subsections try commenting out the subsections that have the 320 X 200
resolutions. Also when using startx make sure you use the -- -bpp ##
switch. If you use startx to start X it will default to the first
Display subsection. I have every section commented out except for my
32 bit color subsection. If I didn't have it commented out I would
have to use startx -- -bpp 32 to get those settings to start.
Good Luck
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From: Anita Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: i am going insane
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 10:42:09 GMT
http://www.redhat.com/mirrors/LDP/HOWTO/mini/Ultra-DMA.html
This is what I found by putting Ultra 66 into a search at Redhat. They
have lots of stuff for us redhat users. Also there is a good section in
the Support part with a separate search on the left side.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John R. Dennison)
Subject: Re: Lynx for cron-jobs
Date: 17 Jul 1999 05:28:44 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Sascha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need to daily get a html-file via http, and save it local. I want to
> keep this as simple as possible with a cron job. So I wonder, if lynx
> can be invoked by commandline with the URL, save the corresponding file
> and then terminate by its own. The thing is, that I can't find this
> functionality in the lynx documentation, but my feeling tells me, that
> lynx can do this. if not, are there any other SIMPLE ways to do get
> files via http, and save them localy?
> Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks!
I use:
lynx -nocolor -source http://where.ever.com/page.html > output.file
John
--
"Whenever two people meet, there are really six people present. There is each
man as he sees himself, each man as the other person sees him, and each man
as he really is."
-- William James
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: [vesafb] framebuffer wont work for me... :(
Date: 17 Jul 1999 12:54:49 +0200
deny all ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I've got the framebuffers running on RH5.2 with an ATI Rage128.
> I may have misunderstood your problems, but have you actually created
> /dev/fb0
> mknod /dev/fb0 c 29 0 (If I remember correctly)
Yes, I did this. However, fbset keeps saying
"/dev/fb0 - Kein passendes Geraet gefunden" (/dev/fb0 - no matching device)
Has anyone got this working with a Matrox Millenium ? (even with vesafb
or matroxfb)
M
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