Linux-Misc Digest #60, Volume #26 Tue, 17 Oct 00 11:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: WebCam and software (Tony Lawrence)
Re: What is a good graphical mail client? (Alexander Gretencord)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Brian Langenberger)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Jem Berkes)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (aflinsch)
Kernel Compilation (Rafael - LumesITSupport)
RE: HP35480A scsi tape drive config (-ljl-)
Compile Kernel error (Rafael - LumesITSupport)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? ("MH")
Re: Anybody find PCTel modem headers? (Paul Pygeon)
A lot of warning during compilation (Rafael - LumesITSupport)
efficiency of linux fs vs vfat or ntfs (TM)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Ian Davey)
Win2000 - Linux ("Chris")
RedHat 7.0 Compaling problem (Rafael - LumesITSupport)
Re: Network problems!
Can't access Gatos homepage (Robert Wiegand)
Cannot open /var/log/sa/sa13 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Netscape weirdness et al [was: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?] (Jan
Schaumann)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Jan Schaumann)
apache compilation problem ("Natacha Petter")
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Grant Edwards)
Making a Development/Test Server under Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Equation Editors - AND STARMATH... (Grant Edwards)
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From: Tony Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WebCam and software
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:18:32 -0400
Robert J Carter wrote:
>
> I'm thinking about buying a webcam, but I'll be dammed if I'm going to
> buy something I have to run winblows to use. Does anybody know what
> cameras - if any - can be run under Linux, and with what software?
>
> Any and all pointers would be appreciated. I will post a summary if
> anybody is interested.
Also see http://webcam.sourceforge.net/
--
Tony Lawrence ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
SCO/Linux articles, help, book reviews, tests,
job listings and more : http://www.pcunix.com
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From: Alexander Gretencord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is a good graphical mail client?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:34:28 +0200
On 16 Oct 2000 17:49:06 -0500, IBMackey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You might also try XFMail. I think its one of the best.
Yes i liked it too but now that I've got a scrollwhell too I would
like to have a mail client I can use my wheel in :) Thats why I wanted
to try out archimedes (the new GTK version of XFMail. I haven't been
able to compile it on 2 systems and on the one other I got it to
compile it crashed a lot. Has anyone tried it out too ? Is it really
so unstable or is it me ? :)
If only archimedes hadn't crashed I'd have a good Client for Linux
again :)
Alex
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From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: 17 Oct 2000 12:43:49 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Harry Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
: If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
: If all you have is a typesetting program, everything looks like a
: typesetting problem.
And if all you have is a word processor, everything looks like a
page layout problem.
: Problem is, everything isn't a typesetting problem. Typesetting is the
: business of printers. Word processing is what users do.
Typesetting is TeX's problem. Picking the right fonts and margins
and page numbers is LaTeX's problem. Generating content is the user's
problem.
Word processors are nice for quick and ugly disposable documents,
but don't expect me to write anything of value with one.
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From: Jem Berkes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:45:33 -0500
Powerful wordprocessor? Word Perfect for Linux (it's free)
http://linux.corel.com
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From: aflinsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:44:33 -0500
> to save as text, since there's really no advantage to formatting until
> the substance is done. That is, unless you're "claire" or whatever
> the troll's name is, and formatting is the only thing that matters in
> your documents.
>
if you have no substance, you might as well make what you have look
good...
Makes me wonder if "Claire" is really a politician.
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From: Rafael - LumesITSupport <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kernel Compilation
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:04:04 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
After instaling new kernel and copying all modules ,after I start my
system I can not get working hardware modules.
Why modules could not be loaded.
Rafael
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From: -ljl- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: RE: HP35480A scsi tape drive config
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:45:48 GMT
In article <d7PG5.325775$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Guy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, the symptoms changed a bit after I selected a resonable
varitation of
> a scinit.def file. Now the tape drive will not hold onto a tape.
Insert
> the tape, it loads, spins for a few seconds, then ejects.
>
> "mt load" results in an I/O error.
> Attempting a tar results in " Cannot write: No medium found"
>
> So, I'm stumped. Anyone successfuly using a HP35480A that can give me
some
> pointers?
Well, a few years ago, I found some DOS diagnostics for DATs and
used them on mine. Think they came from Seagate and used ASPI.
Your adapter vendor should have shipped ASPI compatable drivers.
Also, could the tape(s) be bad.
--
Louis-ljl-{ Louis J. LaBash, Jr. }
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Rafael - LumesITSupport <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Compile Kernel error
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:08:53 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why when I compile the same patched kernel on different computers on one
it compile without error and on the other where I plane to use compiled
kernel it have problem, it could not compile to the end?
Rafael
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:07:25 -0400
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> You can download Star Office. I used to use Applix, but I got their last
> version and it wasn't as good as their previous version. SO 5.2, OTOH is
> as good as MS office in that it doesn't crash like MS office, and it
> does not take down the OS like MS office.
>
> It has no problems reading MS office files, at least as far as I've
> seen.
I've been using office since 4.3. I've NEVER had it "take down the os".
NEVER.
Star office == to ms office? I'm not attacking or being personal, but that's
the most ridiculous statement coming from someone who works in the
"industry" I've ever heard. There is NO comparison between the two products.
Either on stability, feature set, or programmability.
If these products were equal, (for the sake of argument) would Sun have to
give it away?
No. They give it away for the same reason most open source programs are
given away.
They can't compete with the retail equivalents. Simple marketing. MS can run
ads until they empty their bank. Sun could do the same and STILL NOT CHARGE
for SO. SO would not survive in that market because it's an inferior
product. The standard has been set, the people educated in its use, and we
have entrenchment... "saying" one is better isn't going to get it. End of
story.
You have no problem reading MS office files? There must not be *much in*
those office files, huh?
Excel provides 100's of functions, and the entire via language, which many
experienced spreadsheet designers use. SO supports this?
Word's tables, revision features, html formatting, comments, and many other
things...SO supports these?
Access with either DAO or ADO, forget it....
PowerPoint? again, forget it.
Yes, it can handle very simple conversion chores from MS office format, and
That's IT.
Saying that you've never had a problem tells me you don't import much from
one to the other.
And again, this is linux advocacy. You many have much knowledge in your
field of expertise, but you don't use computers as real computer users do.
They have to have compatibility with one another. Not a tower of babble.
Like it or not, the standard is Office. Spreading lies and FUD does not help
Linux's cause. If you had said simply that "SO can open many standard office
formats, but you may have trouble with some of them-- the conversion is not
perfect", would have been different. But no, more Linux BS.
Plus, I don't understand the following statement, "SO is as good as MS
office in that it doesn't crash like MS Office". What the hell does this
mean? SO doesn't crash? That's pure BS. SO crashes less then MS office?
That's completely unsupported by any facts you bring to the table. (none).
OK, let us say the SO does crash less than MS office,would that and that
alone make it better than MS office? But WE CAN'T say that, can we? Because
we offer no evidence that that is the case. This is what I DETEST about
linux advocacy. If I have a complaint about Linux, or a linux application. I
say why, in no uncertain terms what it is I dislike, and will be happy to
give particulars to back it up. You, and your cola partners in crime, on the
other hand, make assertions like the above. You have nothing to back it up
but the weight of your signature and the ubiquity of your presence on
usenet. That and 50 cents might buy you a paper. Meanwhile, MILLIONS of
people are using MS office every minute of every day. And yes, they DO get
work done! That's the reality of what is facing Linux. That is THE desktop.
You can dance around it, but if your argument is going to always resemble
what you proffer above, you're in deep shit people.
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From: Paul Pygeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anybody find PCTel modem headers?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:10:49 -0400
Andrew Purugganan a �crit :
>
> PCTel PCI MicroModem (an HSP modem as far as the docs tell me) can be made
> to work, and the source to roll your own has been provided in the super
> modem resource on the 'net. But I don't see where the header files and
> those much-needed includes are, so the compile crumbles under the weight
> of all those undefined variables. Can somebody be kind enough to send them
> to me? Have you gotten your modem to work? (THis would then become a
> USEFUL modem instead of sitting neglected in my 'PARTS' box)
> TIA
> --
Hi,
I'm not sure but I think source code for this
driver is not available in public domain.
Drivers had been created by PCTel under
a 2.2.5 kernel and relase without sources.
I've a PCtel Micromodem and I've tried all
modules found on net without success.
Bye
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From: Rafael - LumesITSupport <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: A lot of warning during compilation
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:17:05 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A lot of warning during kernel compilation
"pasting would not give a valid processing token"
how to overcome it. Can you help me?
Rafael
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From: TM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: efficiency of linux fs vs vfat or ntfs
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:11:45 +0200
Hello,
I wonder which of these fs are more efficient
1. for a standalone machine
2. when using vfat or ntfs from linux does the fs strategies &
efficiency vary from the use under windows.
Thanks
TM
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Davey)
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:37:11 GMT
In article <8shiq2$3fc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>If these products were equal, (for the sake of argument) would Sun have to
>give it away?
There's absolutely no point in releasing a new office suite and charging for
it. MS already has a virtual monopoly with Office, so the best thing is to
release it free and open source and take advantage of all the benefits that
offers.
>You have no problem reading MS office files? There must not be *much in*
>those office files, huh?
>Excel provides 100's of functions, and the entire via language, which many
>experienced spreadsheet designers use. SO supports this?
>
>Word's tables, revision features, html formatting, comments, and many other
>things...SO supports these?
>
>Access with either DAO or ADO, forget it....
>
>PowerPoint? again, forget it.
The same problems occur when trying to read prior Office documents in a new
version. You'd think Microsoft at least would be able to keep their own
formats consistant. Try and do anything fancy in Office documents leave you
screwed as far as both forwards and backwards compatibility goes, not a great
state of affairs.
ian.
\ /
(@_@) http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
/(&)\ http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
| |
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From: "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Win2000 - Linux
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:07:10 +0200
Hi there,
Win2000 installed, after this Linux installed. I put Linux in BootManager
with the file bootsek.lin and an reference in boot.ini.
After reboot, chosen Linux - black screen. Where can I search the misstake?
Any idea?
-Chris
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From: Rafael - LumesITSupport <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RedHat 7.0 Compaling problem
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:18:14 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When I compile kernel under RH 7.0 I am getting error but on RH 6.2 it
is OK
What the problem?
Rafael
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Network problems!
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:11:58 GMT
Try to see the pci file in proc.
This RTL8139 driver should work fine with your kernel, but I thought it was
the Via-Rhine driver we should use with the DFE530TX. You'd better try this.
regards
Sylvain Le Briero
"Henning Pedersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message news:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I have been trying several NICs but and finally I got a D-Link DFE530TX+
> which acording to RedHat is 100% compatible by the rt18139.o driver.
> After I installed the NIC it did try to start up the card but I got the
> message "insmod: /lib/modules/2.2.16-22/net/rt18139 :insmod eth0 failed"
> with all the other cards I didnt even get a failed message so I think
there
> must be a way to make this work. I have an HP Pavilion 6730 with dualboot
> win98/RH7.0 and funny enough everything else works perfectly well.
> I realise that it might be an IRQ conflict but if so how do I solve it? I
> tried /proc/interrupts and this is what I got:
>
> 0 11331 XTPIC Timer
> 1 89 XTPIC keyboard
> 2 0 XTPIC cascade
> 8 1 XTPIC rtc
> 9 0 XTPIC intel ICH 82801AA
> 11 0 XTPIC usb-uchi
> 12 0 XTPIC ps/2 mouse
> 13 1 XTPIC fpu
> 14 54484 XTPIC ide0
> 15 2 XTPIC ide1
> NMI 0
>
> Please can someone help me solve this problem, I have been wrecking my
brain
> for weeks now.
> Thanks.
> Henning Pedersen.
>
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From: Robert Wiegand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can't access Gatos homepage
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:53:33 -0500
I'm not able to accccess the Gatos homepage. The address I have is:
http://www.core.binghamton.edu/~insomnia/gatos/
Does anyone know if the URL has changed or is the site down?
--
Regards,
Bob Wiegand [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cannot open /var/log/sa/sa13
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:09:26 GMT
In the mourning, I get a mail from Cron on my RedHat 7.0 master and
slave DNS boxes that says: 'Cannot open /var/log/sa/sa13: No such
file or directory.' Also it says: '&
At EOF
&
At EOF' (over and over again)
I looked into the /var/log/sa directory and the file sa13 doesn't
exist. It also seems like it is looking for an sa file with the
current date; example: today is was sa16. Yesterday it was the 16th,
is that right?
Any help is appreciated.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Schaumann)
Subject: Netscape weirdness et al [was: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?]
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:24:06 GMT
Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>John Hasler wrote:
>
>> Jean-David Beyer writes:
>> > Is this a permanent bug in Netscape?
>>
>> It's closed source: who knows?
>>
>> Why are you trying to use a Web browser for news anyway?
<sig snipped>
>I want one tool that works for e-mail, browsing, and
>newsgroups. That way, when I am running the browser or the
>newsreader, I am automatically notified of incoming e-mail. I
>do not normally care to use /bin/mail or elm for e-mail because
>they do not render MIME very well (at all). I forget the news
>reader I used in the old pre-Netscape days (news?) because it
>does not notice incoming e-mail, etc.
You should use any of the various mail-apps that check your mailbox and notify
you of incoming mail no matter if you are running a browser, a editor or
whatever. If you use Afterstep, there is asmail. if you use WindowMaker, there
is WMMail, for gnome and kde there are apps taht you can dock into your panel
etc etc etc
This way, you don't even need to have your huge bloated NS browser running to
be notified of incoming mail.
A decent mail-client is mutt (http://www.mutt.org) - I used to recommend pine
(http://www.washington.edu/pine/), but some people say it's broken and
eventually I tried mutt and did like it better.
As mentioned earlier somewhere, as news-readers I recommend slrn and pan
(http://slrn.sourceforge.net and http://www.superpimp.org, respetively).
As browser I recommend links (http;//links.sourcefourge.net), a text-based
browser that renders frames and tables. There's no need to run NS unless you
*really* need those images, and for the vast majority of the time, you just
don't.
The unix-philosphy is: Do one taks and do it right. Don't use an application
that brwoses the web, reads news,m reads mail, cooks coffee and crashes all the
time. Different tools for different tasks.
Cheers,
-Jan
--
Jan Schaumann <http://www.netmeister.org>
Please add smileys where appropriate.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Schaumann)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:27:18 GMT
mlw wrote:
>jazz wrote:
>>
>> I really need a powerful word processor with templates, styles, etc.
>>
>> What is available for Linux? How about for Powerpoint and Excel?
>>
>> Thanks ---
>> Jazz
>
>You can download Star Office. I used to use Applix, but I got their last
>version and it wasn't as good as their previous version. SO 5.2, OTOH is
>as good as MS office in that it doesn't crash like MS office, and it
>does not take down the OS like MS office.
That is not a fault of the applikation, but of the OS, if an application can
take down the OS. So you can't praise SO for not crashing the OS.
SO is bloated and huge and unles you have a fast machine, it takes minutes
(literally - minutes!) to start up.
I use abiword for word-processing
I use gnumeric for spreadsheets
I would use something else for presentations (no experience in this field)
Cheers,
-Jan
--
Jan Schaumann <http://www.netmeister.org>
Please add smileys where appropriate.
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From: "Natacha Petter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: apache compilation problem
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:33:51 +0200
Hi,
I tried to install Apache 1.3.12 on Mandrake 7.0 with the install option
"Workstation" and I have the following error :
[root@localhost apache_1.3.12]#
./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache --enable-shared=max
Configuring for Apache, Version 1.3.12
+ using installation path layout: Apache (config.layout)
Creating Makefile
Creating Configuration.apaci in src
+ enabling mod_so for DSO support
cd ..; gcc -DLINUX=2 -DUSE_HSREGEX -DUSE_EXPAT -I./lib/expat-lite
paci` -o helpers/dummy helpers/dummy.c -lm
/usr/bin/ld: can not open crt1.o: no file or directory of this type
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [dummy] Error 1
Creating Makefile in src
+ configured for Linux platform
+ setting C compiler to gcc
+ setting C pre-processor to NOT-AVAILABLE
+ checking for system header files
+ adding selected modules
+ checking sizeof various data types
+ doing sanity check on compiler and options
** A test compilation with your Makefile configuration
** failed. The below error output from the compilation
** test will give you an idea what is failing. Note that
** Apache requires an ANSI C Compiler, such as gcc.
======== Error Output for sanity check ========
============= End of Error Report =============
Aborting!
It seems that the file crt1.o is missing and the C pre-processor not
available.
Do you know how I can solve this?
Is there a package to install?
Thanks
Natacha
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:39:53 GMT
In article <5sOG5.2817$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matt Garman wrote:
>> >Latex is fine. But try to give this to an experienced user of Word and it's
>> >not going to happen in this life time.
>>
>> Learning to use LaTeX is certainly no more difficult than learning to use
>> Word. Provided with a set of LaTeX templates, I've seen people with no
>> typesetting or programming experience whatsoever producing within a day
>> ...
>
>I agree with you completely.
>
>But why is it that the majority of the corporate world uses Word? Is that
>all marketing in action?
They use it because everybody else uses it. It's a
self-perpetuating monopoly. They've never tried anything else
and are too lazy/ignorant to try.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! LBJ, LBJ, how many
at JOKES did you tell today??!
visi.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Making a Development/Test Server under Linux
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:32:31 GMT
I'm trying to switch my test servers for an embedded system to linux
away from Windows 98. Unfortuanetly I don't know if I can do it from
the hardware side of things. I know I can do it from the software side
(or most of it). What I need is the following:
12 serial ports (probably 2 digi cards that have linux drivers)
4 GPIB cards (National instruments with linux drivers)
4 JTAG connections,
All this in a rack mount computer (hopefully).
Are there any server's made by dell or compact that can handle 6 PCI
cards?
My current JTAG connections are done through a parellel port, can I get
4 parellel ports into one computer, I remember the limit as being
something like 3. All I use the JTAG for is to download the data in RAM
into a big file and push it through perl scripts to see how the code ran
during a test.
Is there a way to hook up the 4 JTAGs and Parellel ports through GDB?
And if so how do I do it? I can't find anything online for how to do
this. But I've only been searching for an hour and a half and keep
running onto posts from people who have found the documentation but
don't say where it is.
Any help is appreciated, I really want to throw Windows 98 out the
window and switch to linux.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:29:14 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 16 Oct 2000 17:15:08 -0400...
...and Roberto Teixeira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>> "Jan" == Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Jan> The most portable document format is PDF (Portable Document
> Jan> FOrmat - D'uh). RTF is not half as portable.
>
> Not to start a document format war, but isn't PDF a proprietary
> format? What about PS? I don't know if PS is proprietary, but it sure
> is *very* portable
PS is not really a good document format as it's usually the
second-to-last step before printing; if you want to hand a document to
someone for further *editing*, PostScript is not the choice you want
to make.
mawa
--
Actually, the fun thing about playing the piano is that you can walk
around in town with a Henle Urtext score, showing off, and feeling
like a *musician*.
-- mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:34:15 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 16 Oct 2000 14:29:50 GMT...
...and Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : All I'm saying is that I'm sure that with a little bit of practice you
> : will find yourself to be working much more efficiently using LaTeX than
> : using word - you don't have to worry about what they document looks like
> : while you're writing it.
> : No more "highligth this, choose style, don't like it, choose another
> : style, hit return 5 times, hit spacce 20 times, change font size
> : blahblahblah".
>
> Combine LaTeX with makefiles and CVS for even more productivity
> goodness. Edit away for hours on end, do a commit and have
> your editor do an update - instant collaboration and revision
> control. I don't understand why people settle for so much less
> by writing for looks instead of meaning...*shrug*
I wish we had a decent GUIfied authoring / workgroup management system
wrapped around such a core, plus some GUI front end to do real desktop
publishing with LaTeX.
Have you ever tried to typeset an 80-page magazine with MS Publisher?
I have, twice. It's even harder when you need to cooperate -- not even
a CVS server would help you there, as a Publisher file is one huge
chunk of binary data.
Why doesn't modern productivity software store their documents as a
directory tree of plain-text files (such as XML) and binary objects
only where necessary? Why does Publisher need to rewrite 150 megs of
data when I changed only a single letter in the magazine? Why is
everything so synchronous (i.e. when I browse to a page and Publisher
loads it, I need to wait for it to load, I can't interrupt it and go
to another one before all the megabytes of images have been rendered)?
I could go on for hours. I suppose all these deficiencies hold true
for most, if not all, modern DTP packages.
It's time for someone to write *the* definitive free DTP program. If
no one else will do it, I will. The problem is that it will probably
take as long to develop as TeX did, which means I'm going to have to
be a tenured professor before I can take the first stab at it ;)
mawa
--
Actually, the fun thing about playing the piano is that you can walk
around in town with a Henle Urtext score, showing off, and feeling
like a *musician*.
-- mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:28:09 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:36:06 GMT...
...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[MS Word]
> It might make a decent report generator, though, if you don't really
> care what the thing looks like...
Off-topic, yet interesting: Does anyone of you know which back end
amazon.com use to print their invoices and such? They must have got
one hell of a report generator there, and the output looks great.
Lots of big-arse organisations (Deutsche Bahn, HP, Siemens, whichever
institution handles patents in Britain, etc.) use (La)TeX as a back
end for report generation and such; maybe Amazon do, too?
Or perhaps I'm entirely mistaken and they've got some roll-your-own
thingy that renders directly to PostScript ;)
mawa
--
But when she was with Chacko, old limits were pushed back. Horizons
expanded. She had never before met a man who spoke of the world [...]
in the way other men she knew discussed [...] their weekends at the
beach. -- Arundhati Roy, _The_God_of_Small_Things_
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,sci.math
Subject: Re: Equation Editors - AND STARMATH...
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:47:14 GMT
In article <8sghj2$npd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Have you tried using Latex? I know that it can
>display extremely complicated formulas, but it's a
>bit hard to use though.. =)
I've found that using LaTeX to do equations is far faster than
usig either Frame or MS Word. It takes a bit more work to
learn the mark-up language, but once you've got the basics
down, you can crank out equtations far faster than you can with
the point-and-grunt mode editors.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! Someone in DAYTON,
at Ohio is selling USED
visi.com CARPETS to a SERBO-CROATIAN
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