Linux-Misc Digest #60, Volume #27 Thu, 8 Feb 01 17:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: compiling cdrecord (Mark Bratcher)
cdrecord compilation ("joseph Philip")
Re: Helix Gnome, installation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: source code help (Mark Bratcher)
Re: Intro. To Linux at U-Online ("Eric en Jolanda")
Re: Problem with a shared library. (Michael Heiming)
Re: compiling cdrecord ("joseph Philip")
Re: Optimize for Speed? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
uncompress: corrupt input (Ate Faber)
Re: compiling cdrecord ("joseph Philip")
PLEASE DISREGARD THIS THREAD. ("joseph Philip")
Re: How to remove LILO ? ("Emmanuel Beranger")
Re: Standard Template Library (Hugh Lawson)
Re: Identify a WinModem?? ("Steven Kinch")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Steve Mading)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Steve Mading)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Steve Mading)
Re: ssh rsa fails? (David Efflandt)
Re: Optimize for Speed? ("Matt O'Toole")
Re: uncompress: corrupt input (David Efflandt)
pop3 issues ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: pop3 issues (Michael Heiming)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Stefan Ohlsson)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Subject: Re: compiling cdrecord
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:12:18 GMT
In article <ZoCg6.214011$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, joseph Philip wrote:
>I am unable to compile cdrecord 1.9 on an i686 2.2.17 kernel
>with
>"gcc version egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)"
>
>First I had to define that the host is i686-linux
>Then I defined that the target is i686-linux
>Then I had to create the /opt/schily/lib path ( I don't have a /opt )
>to get it to go through the motions atleast.
>
>Now it complains that it the compiler is unable to create the executable.
>I've put in the corresponding uname values into the configure.guess file,
>but that does not change anything.
>
>
>what am I missing, ?
>
>though "upgrading" the compiler is an option, I do not like to change
>something that is working fine.
>Several kernels have been compiled with this machine, ( including the
>current one) , as well as various tools (ipchains, tc , etc...).
>What is so peculiar about cdrecord ???
>
Did you run the configure script?
I compiled cdrecord-1.9 on my RedHat 6.2, kernel 2.2.17 with no
problem and I don't have a /opt directory. I put things in
/usr/local.
--
Mark Bratcher
Director of Software and Electrical Engineering
Torrey Pines Research
To reply, remove both underscores (_) from my email name
===========================================================
Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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From: "joseph Philip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: cdrecord compilation
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:20:27 GMT
Is there some special trick to compile cdrecord ?
1.9 always fails
First I had to specify the host version (i686-linux )
Then I had to create a "/opt" directory .
Now when I type "make", it goes through all the targets and on each one
it says towards the end,
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/upgrader/burner/cdrecord-1.9/man'
../RULES/rules.cnf:51: ../incs/i686-linux-gcc/rules.cnf: No such file or directory
==> CONFIGURING RULES "../incs/i686-linux-gcc/rules.cnf"
using gcc as compiler
loading cache ./config.cache
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for Cygwin environment... no
checking for mingw32 environment... no
checking for EMX/OS2 environment... no
checking for executable suffix... configure: error: installation or configuration
problem: compiler cannot create executables.
make[1]: *** [../incs/i686-linux-gcc/rules.cnf] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/upgrader/burner/cdrecord-1.9/man'
make: *** [all] Error 2
The failure is at the "checking for executable suffix" line.
Now what could it be ??
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Helix Gnome, installation
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:12:32 GMT
In article <95rk1n$bnv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just tried to install Helix Gnome but I couldn't choose local
> harddrive since the next button was greyed out.
> I looked in the FAQ on Ximian's site and they spoke about a file and
> that you should download the updated installer.
> Funny thing is that I downloaded it today through the same menu as
they
> suggested as a solution.
>
> Any suggestions ?
>
> I'm using Red Hat 7.0
>
> Fredrik
>
> Sent via Deja.com
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Make sure that you run the installer inside the director where the rest
of the rpms are. I would also make sure that the packages.xml file is
in lower case letters.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Subject: Re: source code help
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:17:34 GMT
In article <95ut2f$9m2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, entropy wrote:
>hello,
>
>i'm trying to get the source code for the 'who' command but am having
>no luck finding it. is it in the kernel or am i missing something?
>
"who" is in the sh-utils package.
rpm -qa | grep sh-utils.
The source RPM should be on your Linux CD set.
--
Mark Bratcher
Director of Software and Electrical Engineering
Torrey Pines Research
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From: "Eric en Jolanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Intro. To Linux at U-Online
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:30:55 +0100
> You failed to metnion the site is written in German, or something very
> similiar.
Hey..........
That's not German, that's Dutch.
It may look similar to you, but it most definitely is not.
Eric
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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:18:07 +0100
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem with a shared library.
Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> When I try to download a .tsv file with Netscape (that will be imported
> by Applixware), I get the following message from Netscape:
>
> Gtk WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module-path:
> libmetal.so
>
> This library definately exists:
>
> valinux:root[/usr/lib]# ls -l /usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines/libmetal.so
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 40482 Aug 1 2000
> /usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines/libmetal.so
> valinux:root[/usr/lib]# file /usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines/libmetal.so
> /usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines/libmetal.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object,
> Intel 80386, version 1, not stripped
> valinux:root[/usr/lib]#
>
> I have recently run depmod -a, but that does not seem to help, because
> depmod does not look in /usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines unless I add the
> line
>
> path=/usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines to /etc/conf.modules. If I do that, it
> gets all bent out of shape because some of the other files in that
> directory are not .so files. I tried putting a symbolic link to the
> required module in /usr/lib and running depmod again. That does not hurt
> anything, as far as I can tell, but it does not solve the problem.
>
> What next?
>
> --
> .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
> /V\ Registered Machine 73926.
> /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
> ^^-^^ 2:05pm up 10 days, 22:33, 4 users, load average: 2.18, 2.15, 2.10
Hello,
did you lookup /etc/ld.so.conf, is the path to your shared object libary
set?
Set it and run ldconfig -v
Good Luck
Michael Heiming
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From: "joseph Philip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: compiling cdrecord
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:46:42 GMT
>
> Did you run the configure script? I compiled cdrecord-1.9 on my RedHat
> 6.2, kernel 2.2.17 with no problem and I don't have a /opt directory. I
> put things in
> /usr/local.
>
What configure script ?
As far as the instructions stated, all I had to do was type "make"
Or may be I am not reading something right.
Did you compile from source, or from srpm ?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Optimize for Speed?
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:36:28 GMT
Hi,
Mandrake 7.2 with the new KDE2 is painfully slow! so slow in fact, that
I backed out the complete installation, went back to Mandrake 7.1 and
used my 7.2 distribution disks to simply update selected packages to
the latest versions.
I run an AMD K6-3 400Mhz with 256Mb of RAM. not really a
supercomputer... but quite functional for linux.
before I ditched 7.2 completely I did experiment with some of the other
managers and a few were much faster than KDE2 or Gnome (I liked Window
Maker... lean, clean and fairly fast) but it still seemed as though the
kernel was just much too fat and causing a lot of the slowdown.
Maybe if I had a +700Mhz Pentium3 I wouldnt have noticed but...
Good luck,
Jeff
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am quite new to Linux and trying both Red hat 7 and
> Mandrake 7.2 on a rather old machine (Pentium 160, 96MB,
> 4GB SCSI hard drive). I choose KDE and the system
> seems to be pretty sluggish in responding mouse clicks,
> refreshing desktop and openning a directory. I wonder
> what can be done to improve the performance of such a
> system. Since I have been using Win NT 4 for a long time,
> my impression is that NT 4 runs faster on such a system.
> Likely I didn't set up Linux in the best way. So, my
> questions are:
>
> 1. Are there any differences in performance among different
> distributions?
>
> 2. Are there any difference in performance between KDE and
> GNOME?
>
> 3. Anything that eats up a lot of resources, like memory
> or processor time?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Terry
>
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From: Ate Faber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux
Subject: uncompress: corrupt input
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 22:13:25 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,
I get a problem with a compressed tar file
Reading the file this error occurs
insize:1032 posbits:78 inbuf:45 52 52 4F 52 (6)
uncompress: corrupt input
tar: Unexpected EOF on archive file
tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
The file is corrupted. The corruption starts at 4 Mb of the beginning of
the file. The total size is 1500 Mb
Is it possible to get decompress over the corruption and continue
decompressing. There will be a loss of data.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Regards, Ate.
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From: "joseph Philip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: compiling cdrecord
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:09:35 GMT
Found the problem
the gcc version that is on my computer seems to barf with a parse error
when handling those files.
I switched to cc , and it seems to compile .
Oh, well , guess you learn something every day.
so cdrecord - best use cc instead of gcc.
How to find out
#include <stdio.h>
int main ()
{
printf ("Compiler Test.\n\r")
}
Which ever compiler compiles this, use it.
I may have to upgrade the compiler after all..
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From: "joseph Philip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PLEASE DISREGARD THIS THREAD.
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:10:08 GMT
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From: "Emmanuel Beranger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to remove LILO ?
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:12:38 +0100
There is an option in LILO (I think it is -U), which replaces the original
MBR.
It is in the man page
Eric Chow a �crit dans le message <95t8et$snh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hello,
>
>Is it possible to remove LILO from other OS ?
>I delete the Linux NAtive partition. And formated the hard-disk. But
>when reboot, it still open the LILO, how can I disabled the LILO ?
>
>Best regards,
>Eric
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hugh Lawson)
Subject: Re: Standard Template Library
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:02:57 GMT
In article <Nfxg6.477$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ramin
Sina wrote:
>could someone please tell me if STL is included in the gcc compiler that
>comes with Red Hat Linux 6.2, and if so, what do I need to do to link it
>with my code?
look for libstdc++
--
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Greensboro, North Carolina
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From: "Steven Kinch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Identify a WinModem??
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:22:19 -0000
My guess is that the ISA modem will probably work but the PCI is most
certainly a winmodem and will not work unless some kind soul has written a
driver for it. Check out www.linmodems.org for more information.
"Uwe Bonnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:95umre$g25$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.misc Terry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Hi,
>
> : I have a couple of ISA and PCI 56K modems made by 3COM/US Robotics.
> : They came with the PCs I bought. I have heard that WinModems are
> : not supported by Linux. But how could I tell that whether these
> : modems are WinModems? Thanks in advance for your help,
>
>
> Try to find out what hardware it is. lspci, pnpdump,/proc/pci will help.
>
> Try to find those numbers in the lists at www.linmodems.org and
> http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html . Read the mailarchive at
> www.linmodems.org and find out what other users have found.
>
> Bye
> --
> Uwe Bonnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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> --------- Tel. 06151 162516 -------- Fax. 06151 164321 ----------
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 8 Feb 2001 21:15:00 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Geoffrey Tobin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Steve Mading wrote:
:>
:> "Failure to come to a decision is a decision" is self
:> contradictory. It fits the pattern: X == not(X).
: I see you're not a mathematician of a formal school.
I wasn't aware that we were arguing about math. Mathemeticians
and scientists often make up definitions for things that differ
from the original meaning of the words. This is just fine as
long as use of those definitions is limited to those fields. Take
for example the word "force". It does not mean "mass times
accelleration" unless you are talking about physics at the time.
In other contexts, it is a much more generic word than that, covering
all sorts of different things, for example "I was forced to
abandon my plans", or "Money is a powerful force in Bob's life."
: The statement is not self contradictory, it's a meta-statement,
: a statement about a body of statements that does not include
: itself.
Nothing in the statement says that. What you are describing would
be best covered by the statement "Failure to come to decision X
is itself decision Y." Simply saying "failure to come to a
decision" means NO decisions are being made, at any meta-level.
If somewhere at some level a decision is being made, the you are
not "failing to come to a decision". (The definate article 'a'
is the problem here. It makes the phrase "come to a decision" so
generic that failure to what the phrase says is nearly impossible.)
In any case, even if what you say is the intended meaning, it
still does not support the original claim. Atheism is not
a belief on the SAME LEVEL as theism.
: The second use of the word "decision" is a term in the meta-theory
: describing the smaller set of decisions that someone failed to
: make.
: --
: Best wishes!
: Geoffrey Tobin
: Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: WWW: http://www.ee.latrobe.edu.au/~gt/gt.html
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 8 Feb 2001 21:16:47 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Geoffrey Tobin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
:>
:> In comp.os.linux.misc Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:> > There are only 3 positions to take on a proposition
:>
:> On a 1st order logical proposition, you mean. What you say next is not
:> so.
:>
:> > 1) Belief that the proposition is true.
:> > 2) "I don't know"
:> > 3) Belief that the proposition is not true.
:>
:> Uh, you can believe that you don't know, or you can believe that you
:> believe that you believe that if you knew, then you would know, and so
:> on.
: Which is consistent with Aaron's statement of the three options.
: Were you trying to argue that there's only room for a certain
: number of theorems?
:> One can claim anything at all.
: That's not quite true. You cannot claim what you cannot express.
:> That you "believe" something to be false ("believes not") is
:> not the same thing as not believing it to be true ("not believes").
: Aaron claimed the same thing, so why are you beating the same dead
: horse?
Aaron claimed that "believes not" is agnosticism and not
atheism. He's wrong because agnosticism has nothing to do
with belief. It has to do with knowlege.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 8 Feb 2001 21:18:10 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Geoffrey Tobin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: John Hasler wrote:
:>
:> Walt writes:
:> > The dictionary definition of "atheist" is, "one who denies the existence
:> > of God."
:>
:> Make that "_a_ dictionary definition": at best an approximation. I (an
:> atheist) prefer this definition: "one who denies the existence of your
:> imaginary friend while not claiming to have one of his own".
: Most atheists i know declaim the truth of unverifiable philosophical
: axioms.
: In other words, they have imaginary friends with no personality, except
: perhaps their own.
:
:> > That is definitely an active belief.
:>
:> "Does not believe" is not "believes not".
: Then we should be debating in Chinese (or Esperanto), not English.
: When my Dad (an avowed agnostic) says "atheist" he means "believes not"
: (Esperante, "kredas ne") and when he says agnostic, he means "does not
: believe" ("ne kredas").
It's not our fault he used the words incorrectly.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: ssh rsa fails?
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:26:13 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 08 Feb 2001 12:09:55 +0000, Sak Wathanasin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tom Edelbrok wrote:
>
>
>> My permissions on the SSH Linux box for /home/admin/.ssh are "755". My
>> permissions on identity are "600". My permissions on identity.pub are "664".
>> And on authorized_keys I have tried "664" and "777". Also, in the
>> /etc/ssh/ssh_config and /etc/ssh/sshd_config files I have said to use RSA
>> authentication, and have also put in the correct path for the host key.
>
>OpenSSH 2.3.0p1 works for me with both ssh1 & 2 clients from a variety
>of systems (Linux/Solaris/Mac/NT). authorized_keys and authorized_keys2
>must both be mode 600, and .ssh must be 700. In general, use the
>strictest possible perms on your ssh files.
I am using plain old ssh1 compiled from sources. The following should
work for permissions:
chmod -R 600 ~/.ssh
chmod 700 ~/.ssh
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From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Optimize for Speed?
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:27:11 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:95v00c$c8m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Mandrake 7.2 with the new KDE2 is painfully slow! so slow in fact, that
> I backed out the complete installation, went back to Mandrake 7.1 and
> used my 7.2 distribution disks to simply update selected packages to
> the latest versions.
>
> I run an AMD K6-3 400Mhz with 256Mb of RAM. not really a
> supercomputer... but quite functional for linux.
>
> before I ditched 7.2 completely I did experiment with some of the other
> managers and a few were much faster than KDE2 or Gnome (I liked Window
> Maker... lean, clean and fairly fast) but it still seemed as though the
> kernel was just much too fat and causing a lot of the slowdown.
>
> Maybe if I had a +700Mhz Pentium3 I wouldnt have noticed but...
Exactly. It doesn't make any difference with my 667 Celeron, but there sure
is a difference with my P133s and 150s.
Matt O.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: uncompress: corrupt input
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:29:29 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 08 Feb 2001 22:13:25 +0100, Ate Faber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I get a problem with a compressed tar file
>
>Reading the file this error occurs
>
>insize:1032 posbits:78 inbuf:45 52 52 4F 52 (6)
>uncompress: corrupt input
>tar: Unexpected EOF on archive file
>tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
>
>The file is corrupted. The corruption starts at 4 Mb of the beginning of
>the file. The total size is 1500 Mb
>
>Is it possible to get decompress over the corruption and continue
>decompressing. There will be a loss of data.
>
>Any suggestions?
Did this file touch a Windows box? Did you download/upload in binary
mode only (not ascii)?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: pop3 issues
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:23:35 GMT
If someone could give me some insight into the following, it would be
greatly appreciated.
I am running RH7.0, and whenever I connect to download my mail, if
there is anything in my spool with an attachment over 100k, my mail
client(outlook) just hangs there saying it's downloading the message. I
have tried installing qpopper and cucipop on my mail server, but
whichever one I use, I keep having the same problem.
Smaller messages containing only text come through just fine. Ive
been working on this all day and I've lost more than a few hairs over
it.......any suggestions?
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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 22:11:42 +0100
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pop3 issues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> If someone could give me some insight into the following, it would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> I am running RH7.0, and whenever I connect to download my mail, if
> there is anything in my spool with an attachment over 100k, my mail
> client(outlook) just hangs there saying it's downloading the message. I
> have tried installing qpopper and cucipop on my mail server, but
> whichever one I use, I keep having the same problem.
> Smaller messages containing only text come through just fine. Ive
> been working on this all day and I've lost more than a few hairs over
> it.......any suggestions?
Yes, sorry, but I would suggest using another MUA, there are ie. eudora
and pegasus
which both have more features than anyone needs.
Or buy a M$-Exchange server....
Good luck
Michael Heiming
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ohlsson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 8 Feb 2001 22:41:28 +0100
On Thu, 08 Feb 2001 16:28:37 GMT, Ian Davey wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stefan Ohlsson
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>It all ends in the same question with or without God, the only
>>difference is what entity is asked about:
>>If God created the universe, where did God come from?
>>If God didn't create the universe, where did the universe come from?
>>I don't see a clear answer on any of these questions.
>The difference being their are theories to explain the latter, but almost
>resounding silence on the first.
>
You mean like ..and there was Big Bang..? So what led up to that? It's not
much different from "..and God created earth.." I think. No matter how far
the theories stretch back, there will always be questions of what led up to
it.
I know the atheists have a theory that man will develop to a super-man that
can travel back in time and will create it all. That's the simple version
anyway. I know, sounds weird. :)
>>BTW, are there any newsgroup where this kind of discussion is on topic?
>No idea, though I suspect this thread will soon whimper into non-existance...
>just waiting for a cosmic big bang to recreate it a few months down the line.
>
I dunno, I have never seen a thread like this here before. Although I haven't
read that much news (here) yet.
/Stefan
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