Linux-Misc Digest #70, Volume #21 Sun, 18 Jul 99 12:13:16 EDT
Contents:
Modem-dialtone problem. ("Alok R Saboo")
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Gadget)
Slackware install on notebook ("Smed Brookwater")
V3 and True Type Fonts (Lightnin Larry)
mandrake - setting default os in LILO (Al Riley)
recommend mySQL guide/how-to for absolute clueless (Al Riley)
Re: Modem-dialtone problem. (Anita Lewis)
Re: lilo (John McKown)
Re: install problem (Joe Noble)
Re: Best tape drive for Linux? (Rod Smith)
Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux? (William Wueppelmann)
Re: Connect to ISP when phone rings: is this possible? (Peter Caffin)
Re: Can someone recommend.... (William Wueppelmann)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Linux soon = Windows (Long) (William Wueppelmann)
Re: Slackware problem... (Unigni)
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From: "Alok R Saboo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Modem-dialtone problem.
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 11:46:36 +0530
Hi!
I configured my modem correctly, but whenever I try to dia it gives me
error that there is no dialtone. In windows I turned off the "Check dialtone
before dialling" feature. Is there any similar feature in Linux. I am using
KDE.
Thanx,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gadget)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 13:48:17 GMT
On 18 Jul 1999 11:35:36 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
made the world a better place by saying:
>
>So while it's obvious that Libertarians are full of shit and idiots
>besides, the Marxists have hit upon a fundamental principle of nature.
Where have you been the past century?
"So... you've compiled your own Kernel... Your skills are now complete..."
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From: "Smed Brookwater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Slackware install on notebook
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:33:34 -0400
Folks:
I have been trying hard to install slack on a notebook computer.
Specs:
Pentium 100
16MB RAM
750MB hard disk
PCMCIA modem
1 floppy
No CDROM
I cant get through the install via floppy.
I load slack 3.6 boot and root and I can even get pkgtool to install some
packages but I can't get the base system { disk set A1} to load. Keep
getting error messages like
" reset: not found" ... while loading A1.
Could it be the diskettes I'm using {they are very old and have been
recycled many times}
or does this indicate some other sort of problem.
Also....how far do I have to go before I can set up PPP and dial in to
finish the install via FTP????
Any help would be great! I have trying to ustilize this notebook for a
while now.
Please e-mail any respnses to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks
smed
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From: Lightnin Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: V3 and True Type Fonts
Date: 18 Jul 1999 12:31:07 GMT
Has anyone gotten V3 and true type fonts to work together? Everytime I
add "unix:/-1" to my XF86Config X refuses to start stating the infamous
error 111 and can't set font path. I remove it from the XF86Config file
and X runs fine. Seems like the problem may be in Darrel's 3DFX driver.Any
suggestions? I'm runnning Linux-Mandrake v6.0.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Al Riley)
Subject: mandrake - setting default os in LILO
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:25:08 GMT
Though I would prefer to just boot Linux, there are a lot of power
interrupts where I am do it is safer to have winblows as the defult
booted os however I'm not sure how to change lilo.conf to do this?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Al Riley)
Subject: recommend mySQL guide/how-to for absolute clueless
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:41:55 GMT
I'm not a programmer or a real techie. but have been doggedly learning
to use Linux for the last year. What I need is a replacement for MS
Access database and I'd also like to work on learning a database for
web use at some future point. I picked mySQL (is there a more
appropriate choice for a beginner??) but am absolutely clueless as to
how to set it up and use it.
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From: Anita Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Modem-dialtone problem.
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:36:55 GMT
Add X3 to your modem string. "ATblahblahX3"
Anita
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John McKown)
Subject: Re: lilo
Date: 18 Jul 1999 13:10:15 GMT
On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:04:40 -0500, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I was running RH6.0 on my first harddrive, i got a new one (dev/hdc) because
>the old one was going bad (dev/hda). I moved all of the files from /dev/hda
>to /dev/hdc and everything worked, lilo was still on teh mbr of /dev/hdc,
>but it wasn't a problem, i then installed windows onto /dev/hda and lilo was
>lost, i do know have access to /dev/hdc and don't have access to the rh6.0
>disks, how can i get lilo back??
I'm not sure what you means "don't have access to the rh6.0 disks".
So I'll give three solutions. Well, only one, but three ways to do it.
First, if you have the Linux CDs, then you should have a subdirectory which
is readable by MS-DOS (Windows) called "images". You can use the
"rawrite.exe" program in the "dosutils" to create 1.44Mb floppies from
the *.img files (one floppy per image). You then can boot from the floppy
that you created from the rescue.img file (maybe it's the boot.img - it's
been too long)
Second, if you don't have the Linux CDs, why not just order them from
Cheapbytes? They're only about US$8?
Third, download all the files in
/pub/Linux/distributions/redhat/redhat-6.0/i386/images
from ftp://metalab.unc.edu
Be sure to remember to do a BINARY download!!
In any case, create the floppies as in the first solution and boot Linux.
then do the /sbin/lilo to replace LILO in the MBR of /dev/hda
Hope this helps,
John
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From: Joe Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.general,redhat.rpm.general
Subject: Re: install problem
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 08:40:26 -0600
Larry,
The first couple of times (5.0, 5.2), I wrestled with all the different
partitions. This time when I install RH6.0, I just made three
partitions: swap; boot; and /. On a 2.1GB drive, with 64MB of memory, I
used:
swap: 64MB;
boot: 10MB; and
/: Everything else.
I remember my first attempts back with 5.0 kept complaining that I
guesed wrong on the /usr or some other partition. Finally guessed right
and everything went fine. Later, found that I was running out of /
space, so I wiped everything out and installed 6.0 as described above.
Currently using about 38% of the drive for a full development system
which I feel very comfortable with. Linux doesn't suck up nearly as
much disk space as Windows does.
Later
-joe-
Larry Standhey wrote:
>
> I am trying to make a full install of RedHat 5.2 from a cdrom distribution.
> The install keeps telling me I am running out of space. Can anyone tell me
> how much space is required to install the os plus all the goodies; gcc,
> samba, and more?
>
> I also don't fully understand how to configure the disk partitions and mount
> points. How many should there be? What should their size be? I have a 2.4 G
> HDD Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Standley
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Best tape drive for Linux?
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 13:22:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Dale Coleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi all, I was hoping somebody could help me select a good tape drive for use on
> Linux.
>
> Has anybody used the HP 5 or 8 GB internal (EIDE) or external (Parallel) drive?
For Linux use, I recommend SCSI tape drives first, EIDE tape drives
second, any other interface a *VERY* distant third. There is support in
Linux for floppy- and parallel-interfaced drives, but these drives are
generally flaky and slow. That said, I have no direct experience with any
specific HP parallel-port drives, and so can't comment on them
specifically.
Presumably the 8GB units are Travan or Travan-like drives (8GB is a
standard size for Travan tapes, if quoted as a compressed capacity).
AFAIK, most or all such drives that interface via SCSI or EIDE work fine
with Linux, using standard Linux utilities like tar, mt, cpio, etc., or
with assorted commercial programs like BRU.
I don't recall if 5GB is a standard Travan tape size -- or, more
precisely, I know it's not a standard UNCOMPRESSED size, but I don't
recall if it's a standard COMPRESSED size. If so, and if it's an EIDE
unit, it's probably fine for use with Linux. Even if it's not Travan,
it's probably OK from a Linux point of view, though I'd recommend avoiding
it because media for non-standard drives are likely to be hard to find,
especially a while after the drive's discontinued.
One thing to look into is whether the drives support hardware
compression. This feature takes some of the load off of the host CPU and
(at least as important) is safer if you use tar for backups, since a bad
bit won't corrupt the entire archive after that point, as it would if tar
were doing the compression (via gzip). Travan drives with hardware
compression also support read-after-write verification, which can help
ensure your data's integrity without adding to backup time.
FWIW, I've got a Tecmar Travan NS-8 SCSI drive and it works pretty well.
It's fussy about tapes, though; I tried some Maxell tapes and they didn't
work. I have to use Imation tapes in this drive.
> This message is also a test for KRN - just got it running.
>
> My e-mail is:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Your post made it; however:
1) Your e-mail address came through as [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2) Your line lengths are a tad on the long side.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux?
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:15:56 GMT
In our last episode (Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:13:15 -0700),
the artist formerly known as George Mitchell said:
>I am using removable boot disks in order to try to find the best of both
>worlds at this point.
>
>LINUX - The best operating system in the world in search of a few good
>applications.
>Windows - The best collection of applications in the world in search of a good
>operating system.
One of the main points missed by Windows users when using Linux is that the
notion of an application in the Unix world is very different that that in
the Windows world. The reason you won't find a lot of monolithic,
one-size-fits-all(-poorly) applicatins for Linux is because the Unix world
got along quite well with its own method of solving problems.
Linux installs with an incredibly rich set of tools: awk, grep, sed, tee,
echo, cat, sort, uniq, spell and so forth. The idea behind these tools is
that they are simple and flexible enough that they can be used to create
(with the help of shell features such as pipes, redirection and scripts) an
application which is suited to your particular needs. The Windows approach
is to serve you a 100MB application and make you sort through it to isolate
the features that you need (if they are there at all) from the features
that you don't need, but are included because someone else might want them.
In other words, Linux ships with everything you need to do most anything
you could ever want to do except for one component which you must provide
yourself: creativity.
--
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You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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From: Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Connect to ISP when phone rings: is this possible?
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:00:45 +0800
TAT wrote:
> Is it possible to have my modem detect an incoming call, hang up
> on that call and immediately run pppon? I'd like to connect to my
> home machine from office, and I don't have a modem at office.
I believe that mgetty is capable of doing this. Have a look at the
Mgetty Homepage at http://www.leo.org/~doering/mgetty/index.html
and the Usenet newsgroup de.alt.comm.mgetty.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: Can someone recommend....
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:16:00 GMT
In our last episode (Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:17:36 +0100),
the artist formerly known as Andrew Arbon said:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, William
>Wueppelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>>In our last episode (Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:10:43 +0100),
>>the artist formerly known as Andrew Arbon said:
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>Can someone recommend me a good offline news reading program and a good
>>>email editor for X windows, please?
>>
>>slrn is a good newsreader.
>I had a (brief) look at that yesterday, but I didn't think that it was
>an offline reader. As I am not in the US with free internet access, I
>need to read my news whilst not connected. It also seemed to
>automatically subscribe me to every NG my ISP carries. I don't want to
>have to unsubscribe to 40000 odd NG's.. Is there a way to prevent it
>doing that, or did I just misinterpret what it was doing?
I don't suppose slrn is an "offline newsreader" in the Windows sense (e.g.
Agent). Rather, you can use slrnpull to download a local news spool of the
groups you want to your machine (these will normally sit in
/var/spool/slrnpull/) and then slrn can read from and post to the spool.
When you want to post outgoing articles and fetch new news, connect and run
slrnpull again.
Debian has some good docs on slrn and slrnpull in /usr/doc/slrn/.
Presumably, these docs are available with other distributions as well.
When you run slrn, you need to invoke it with the --spool switch to tell it
to read from a local spool rather than via NNTP.
You can set up a score file to kill articles before they are downloaded to
the spool. Slrnpull will also remove duplicates so if you subscribe to
multiple groups where a message has been crossposted, you'll only get one
copy.
--
It is pitch black.
You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:56:58 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 18 Jul 1999 11:35:36 GMT...
..and Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Socialism works in well-defined parts of the society (e.g.
> >agricultural cooperatives; NB I'm not talking about Kolchozes, but
> >about the kind of cooperative you find in Germany), as does
> >capitalism.
>
> The free market works in NO situation. Capitalism, understood as
> dictatorship by the capitalists, "works" only if human dignity and
> human needs are irrelevant.
Of course the free market works in some situations.
> >It's the Marxist-Leninists' fault to think one can run a whole society
> >on socialism as well as it is the Libertarians' fault that one can run
> >the works on capitalism.
>
> Socialism is based on cooperation and democracy while capitalism
> is based on competition (ie, War) and dictatorship.
No. Capitalism is based on competition, but competition need not
entrail destruction. How you come to associate capitalism with
dictatorship is beyond me...
> You can't run
> the world on destruction alone but you sure as bloody hell *can*
> run it on construction alone! The same applies to honesty vs. lies
> in moral philosophy. The situation is *not* symmetric.
What have you been consuming?
> So while it's obvious that Libertarians are full of shit and idiots
> besides, the Marxists have hit upon a fundamental principle of nature.
Oh for crying out loud. I am not a capitalist, and I am not a
socialist, nevertheless so far I have thought you were making pretty
reasonable arguments on this group. But the little paragraph above is
simply ridiculous. Your wording doesn't make it better.
The human nature is not homogeneous. Inside every single man, there is
both the urge to cooperate with others and the urge to destroy others.
(Come on all the Freudians: "Eros, Thanatos, rah, rah, rah!") The key
to viable social and political systems is acceptance and integration
of both these urges.
The fundamental error of both capitalism and socialism is thinking
that such a viable system can be built on solely one urge, violently
suppressing the other.
mawa
--
Yes. It is an art. Look at the concept of the B+ tree. Isn't it
beautiful? You've got to admire it. But hey -- if you indeed manage to
admire it, you're risking to become a hacker. It can be the first
step. Admire B+ trees only if you know what you are doing. -- mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: Linux soon = Windows (Long)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:15:58 GMT
In our last episode (Sat, 17 Jul 1999 07:35:50 +1000),
the artist formerly known as Erik de Castro Lopo said:
>Tobias Anderberg wrote:
>>
>> >I just installed SuSE Linux 6.1 [...] I let YaST do the all the stuff,
>> >I just chose the defaults and boom - I have a beautiful KDE desktop.
>>
>> I decided to reflect on this issue after reading the above statement. It's
>> something that's been nagging me for some time now and I just wanted
>> to share my 0.2$. Please note that I'm not attacking the poster of the
>> above statement.
>>
>> Hmm, so the Windows phenomenon is finally creeping up on Linux. This
>> has been my fear since I first saw how people yielded about Redhat's
>> RPM superiosity. It must've been sometime around '95. Ahh, the memories...
>
>Go back to your homes. You have nothing to fear. Everything will be OK.
>
>OK, so you fear that Linux will become like windows, where one bad
>OS/interface/tools suite fits all. This is not and will not be the case.
>
>Because Linux is open source and infinitely configurable, there will
>always be a number of smaller less well know distributions for the
>technically savvy hackers.
Linux may well fragment. But that's not necessarily a Bad Thing. Redhat
Linux may one day become RedhatOS, a Linux kernel-based OS with a Maclike
user interface. That's for the people who tire of being Microslaves but
who nonetheless want to buy into that model of simplified computing for
users with minimal demands. Slackware and Debian will be there for the
rest of us, or if not, then we can maintain our Linux distribution that
emphasises the power and flexibility of Unix. And if the worst should come
to pass, there's always FreeBSD.
We're in good shape. There are lots of high quality, sophisticated OS
choices. It's high quality, appliance-class OSes that are in short supply,
and a lot more people want to use these kinds of simple tools than there
are people who want to learn how to use roff.
--
It is pitch black.
You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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From: Unigni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Slackware problem...
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:27:14 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Andrei A.
Dergatchev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>Hi,
>
>Just curious - what's your HDD/motherboard ?
Er... not sure :-) What's the easiest way to find out?
>As for a choice of bootdisk - what about no_pci.i,
>just to try ?
I've just tried it with no_pci.i, and finally installed Linux - hooray!
I then restarted the computer with the boot disk it'd made, saw the
login prompt, and - nothing! It had stopped again! NOOOO!!! AAARGH!!
I restarted, managed to log in, did a few things, and then it stopped
again! I think I'll have to give up if I can't get it working by
Christmas... :-)
--
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http://www.zaynar.demon.co.uk/atr - Programming robots!
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