Linux-Misc Digest #70, Volume #24 Fri, 7 Apr 00 14:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1] (Mork)
Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1] (James Waldby)
Using an NT Primary Domain Controller for password authentication (Ste Carlson)
Re: Kill! (Mork)
Re: install problems (Mork)
Hot-Swapping ("Jason Hutt")
Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: install problems ("David ..")
Re: repartitioning with FIPS ("Jason Hutt")
HELP!!!! Can't Get To KDE (FDB2010)
drivers for HP7200e CDRW (Parminder Lehal)
Re: News Readers for Linux (James Hammerton)
Re: Kill! (Dances With Crows)
Re: Kill! ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Review: Corel Office 2000 (Dinnin)
Re: WINTV ? (Robie Basak)
Re: News Readers for Linux (eyez)
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From: *[EMAIL PROTECTED]* (Mork)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:59:43 GMT
On 7 Apr 2000 14:55:40 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
wrote:
>On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:29:44 GMT, Mork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Wish I could go 2 years, let alone 2 days. I'm writing this in
>>windows (forte free agent) because I got tired of rebooting linux
>>every time a process hung, which refused being killed in any way.
>>
>>The differences in peoples mileages is amazing.
>
>I think in such cases it's either down to bad hardware or, perhaps, lack of
>experience/understanding from the user (no offense).
>
Newbie for sure. I do expect it to improve as I learn more. Although
I've had this distro (mandrake 6.0) installed before and don't
remember having this much trouble. I'm getting suspicous of XFree86
version 4 lately, hmmm...
As for kill -9 pid, fegget about it. I have to reboot. Wish I could
kill them.
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From: James Waldby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:06:19 GMT
Mork wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 18:54:14 GMT, "Michael W. Coulson"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >That's not entirely correct. Nothing NEVER crashes. :) I had Linux
> >crash on me once - but that's with 2 years + constant running. That's a
> >good track record don't you think. :) Personally - everything I want to
> >run has a Linux version. My main machine has not booted another OS in
> >over 2 years. My other machine runs Windows(all versions) Beos,
> >Freebsd, solaris,etc - only 'cause I like to tinker. :)
>
> Wish I could go 2 years, let alone 2 days. I'm writing this in
> windows (forte free agent) because I got tired of rebooting linux
> every time a process hung, which refused being killed in any way.
>
> The differences in peoples mileages is amazing.
I've had quite a few crashes with linux during the past
five years -- maybe half-a-dozen due to software [*]
problems, maybe a hundred due to hardware. (On
about 15 machines, some quite marginal.)
When I was doing software development with MSW 3.1,
I rebooted 40 times on some afternoons. A segfault or
bus error in a user program would shut it down. Likewise
for MSW95 much of the time. But MS Windows 98
seems much improved; I've seen MSW 98 systems up
and in use for actually several days in a row!
For example, my son has rebooted his heavily-used W98 computer
only twice in the past week, and 118 times since January,
per Schedlog.Txt. (He rebooted his heavily-used linux computer
37 days ago.) My wife has rebooted her main W98 computer 5 times
this week, each time because of software hangups. (I rebooted
my linux computers 44 days ago, due to hardware changes.)
[*] For example, with $SS being a list of about 150 screen savers
from /usr/X11/bin, I said "for i in $SS ; do $i &
done" and after a while the system was responding so slowly
that I rebooted. If anyone can make this work ok, let me know. :)
- jiw
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ste Carlson)
Subject: Using an NT Primary Domain Controller for password authentication
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:07:53 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is there any way to use an NT Primary Domain Controller for password
authentication?
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From: *[EMAIL PROTECTED]* (Mork)
Subject: Re: Kill!
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:06:49 GMT
On 7 Apr 2000 14:43:27 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
wrote:
>Erm, unless the process is Zombie I can't see how you're not killing it.
>
What's a zombie?
>Are you just issuing eg kill <pid> ?
>
>If that doesn't work try kill -9 <pid> (or killall -9 process_name if you
>want to moida all such processes).
>
No, trying kill -9 pid also.
>Make sure you get the right pid, running top or ps aux | grep <process_name>
>should show up the pids of errant processes.
>
Funny you should mention that. When the news client (krn) goes bad, I
try using ktop to investigate. As ktop is refreshing, the pid keeps
changing, as do other attributes, like cpu, etc... Some of the numbers
are pretty wild.
>Never had a problem killing anything when root on various machines, you're
>either not doing it right or your machine is up the spout.
>
It might have gone flakey. I'm waiting for my mandrake 7.0 to come in,
so I don't want to waste too much time on it. And hope the new one
improves.
BTW, what's a good news client?
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From: *[EMAIL PROTECTED]* (Mork)
Subject: Re: install problems
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:10:13 GMT
On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:30:35 GMT, michael davis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am new to linux so please be gentle. I have mandrake installed on my
>computer. The problem is that I can only get the command line. How do I
>get the xwindows to work. Remember I don't know much.
>
>--
I think the install for mandrake asks if you want a graphical login
or not. Can't remember. Try startx and see what happens.
With my knowledge of linux, this is like the blind leading the blind.
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From: "Jason Hutt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hot-Swapping
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:20:30 GMT
I have my answer for the RAID Array. We'll be going with a Mylex 1100 Raid
Controller.
Back to the second question: Is hot-swapping drives supported under Linux
RedHat 6.1? Mylex claims that the 1100 works fine.
Any responses or experiences appreciated.
Jason Hutt
From: "Jason Hutt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hot Swapping
Date: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 4:35 PM
I have a couple of questions regarding Server Configuration of Linux Red Hat
6.1.
1) Does this version of Linux support RAID Arrays? I have found conflicting
information on this topic.
2) Does it support Hot-Swappable bays in a RAID Array?
Thanks,
Jason Hutt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.gcscanada.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:23:00 GMT
You have either a hardware problem or possibly Xfree 4.0 is not
feeling well. I've never used 4.0 so I can't comment. I'm not exactly
a Linux advocate, but Linux is extremely stable, and even with all of
my screwing around not knowing what I was doing most of the time, the
only time kill -9 didn't work for me was when Wine would lock up and
that's a real specialized case and not to be blamed on Linux at all.
Even Netscape, the king of lock up programs (even under Windows) could
be killed.
In any case I would suggest you try SuSE Linux or possibly Caldera in
lieu of RedHat.
Steve
On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:59:43 GMT, *[EMAIL PROTECTED]* (Mork) wrote:
>On 7 Apr 2000 14:55:40 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:29:44 GMT, Mork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> Wish I could go 2 years, let alone 2 days. I'm writing this in
>>>windows (forte free agent) because I got tired of rebooting linux
>>>every time a process hung, which refused being killed in any way.
>>>
>>>The differences in peoples mileages is amazing.
>>
>>I think in such cases it's either down to bad hardware or, perhaps, lack of
>>experience/understanding from the user (no offense).
>>
>
> Newbie for sure. I do expect it to improve as I learn more. Although
>I've had this distro (mandrake 6.0) installed before and don't
>remember having this much trouble. I'm getting suspicous of XFree86
>version 4 lately, hmmm...
>
>As for kill -9 pid, fegget about it. I have to reboot. Wish I could
>kill them.
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: install problems
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 12:26:41 -0500
The command "startx" without quotes will do it if X was installed and
is configured properly.
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From: "Jason Hutt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: repartitioning with FIPS
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:30:56 GMT
In Windows, go to Control Panel, System.
Click the Performance Tab, click the Virtual Memory button.
Select 'Let me specify...' and select a New location for the Windows Swap
file which is located away from your Linux Partition. If Linux is on C: put
the Swap file on D:.
Optionally you could Disable the swap file until after your Linux install
and go back to Windows and let Windows manage the swap file again.
"Kirk Wythers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8cl1vd$i38$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> FIPS crashes on me at the very end when I type "y" to write changes to the
> disk and exit. It gives the error:
>
> memory allocation error
> cannot load COMMAND, system halted
>
> The only part of the instructions that I couldn't quite follow was the
> instruction to uninstall the windows swapfile. What is meant by uninstall
it
> in the 386enhanced part of the windows control panel?
>
> I'm running win98 on a 30 gig hard drive with one great big C: partition
(if
> that matters)
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Kirk
>
>
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From: FDB2010 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HELP!!!! Can't Get To KDE
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:30:10 GMT
All--I installed Mandrake 7.0 on my workstation. I can get to the login
screen but DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TYPE TO GET TO KDE. actually, once i type
my login and password, im then sent to a command console (a screen that
has 2 white boxes that's displaying the same information). I don't know
where i am at this point within the OS, or how to get to KDE. I was able
to take some digital pics to better help explain what it is that im
seeing. Im brand new in using Linux
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: Parminder Lehal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.oc.linux.hardware
Subject: drivers for HP7200e CDRW
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 13:14:47 -0400
Hello,
I am looking for drivers fro my HP 7200e (external) Cd RW.
This is the only thing which is making me keep WINxx on my
computer. Help Please ... .... .... ......
Thanks,
P.S. Lehal
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From: James Hammerton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: News Readers for Linux
Date: 07 Apr 2000 18:49:00 +0100
"Scott Zielinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Anyone know of a good news reader for Linux?
I use gnus. It takes a bit of time to learn but is very powerful and
efficient.
James
--
James Hammerton, Department of Computer Science, University College Dublin
WWW Pages: http://www.cs.ucd.ie/staff/jhammerton/
http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~james
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Kill!
Date: 07 Apr 2000 13:55:03 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:06:49 GMT, Mork
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>What's a zombie?
A zombie process is a process that has given up all its resources and
terminated itself, but it hasn't been removed from the process table
because its parent hasn't executed a wait() for it. init (pid 1) is
supposed to clean up after zombies, but it doesn't always.
>No, trying kill -9 pid also.
>Funny you should mention that. When the news client (krn) goes bad, I
>try using ktop to investigate. As ktop is refreshing, the pid keeps
>changing, as do other attributes, like cpu, etc... Some of the numbers
>are pretty wild.
There is something drastically wrong if kill -9 $PID doesn't kill that
process immediately. grep for "Oops" in /var/log/warn and
/var/log/messages ; if you get *any* output at all, you have a serious
problem.
>It might have gone flakey. I'm waiting for my mandrake 7.0 to come in,
>so I don't want to waste too much time on it. And hope the new one
>improves.
Flaky, definitely. I had similar problems to yours and upgrading
everything I could think of (kernel, Xfree86, glibc, Netscape, N other
packages) on the software side fixed nothing at all. I finally solved the
problem by purchasing a new motherboard; rock-solid stability ever since.
If you post the specs to your machine (mobo, processor, graphics card,
RAM, etc.) then someone might be able to tell you if your hardware falls
in the "known flaky" category.
>BTW, what's a good news client?
slrn, tin, emacs, pine (text)
krn, xrn, Netscape (X)
Use "leafnode" with most of these to pull articles from an NNTP server and
read them off-line. slrn is very nice (colorful, too) and can do things
that Netscape/krn can't even think about. emacs, as everyone knows, can
do anything :-)
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| Programmers are playwrights
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| Computers are lousy actors
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Lusers are vicious drama critics
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| BOFHen burn down theatres.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kill!
Date: 7 Apr 2000 17:46:15 GMT
Mork <*[EMAIL PROTECTED]*> wrote:
:>If that doesn't work try kill -9 <pid> (or killall -9 process_name if you
:>want to moida all such processes).
: No, trying kill -9 pid also.
kill -9 MUST kill the process. If it doesn't, then the process is in
uniterruptible sleep within the kernel and you have a kernel or hardware
bug (the kernel expects certain behaviour of the hardware ...). Look
at dmesg to find out what it is.
:>Make sure you get the right pid, running top or ps aux | grep <process_name>
:>should show up the pids of errant processes.
:>Never had a problem killing anything when root on various machines, you're
:>either not doing it right or your machine is up the spout.
: It might have gone flakey. I'm waiting for my mandrake 7.0 to come in,
By definition, it HAS.
: so I don't want to waste too much time on it. And hope the new one
: improves.
All you need to test is a new kernel. Compile yourself one.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dinnin)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Review: Corel Office 2000
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:59:26 GMT
<snip>
"I was quite disappointed: it didn't
make it through the demo without dying."
<snip>
I dont know where you were but I also went to a corel road show the
other night. Again, it was very nice in some portions of their
presentation but guess what... It crashed in a very similar manner
about half way through the paradox breifing.
Some of the features they speak of and showed were quite useful and
would be great to get my boss off his NTism's but in the same respect,
I have to agree that the stability is not what I would expect from a
well configured Linux box.
After spending a few hours in this roadshow, they started giving away
their prizes. Again, a pathetic display of corporate america who
think you can buy the attention of the audiences by giving away
"toys." Pathetic.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Subject: Re: WINTV ?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 7 Apr 2000 18:05:08 GMT
On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 07:49:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>Find the "linux documentation project"'s web page. Search for the mini
>how-to on bttv. It quite good - personaly I want a bit more info, cos I
>still can't get the TV to work perfectly.
>
>Robie - where do I find fbtv. Will this get me past the grabing problem.
>I've tried all the different setting with bttv when I modprobe it, but
>the picture still runs slow.
First off, check that your ~/.xawtv contains the lines
----
[defaults]
capture = overlay
----
if you haven't already. Then start xawtv from an xterm and see if it
complains about some extension not available.
Simplified, the kernel framebuffer creates a memory location which the
graphics card looks directly at every time it redraws the screen (85
Hz or whatever). fbtv tells the TV card where this memory is, and from
then on the card writes to this memory directly, leaving the CPU free,
and consequently you get the full framerate always. This mode is also
available for X11, but it's availability depends very much on the
driver you are using. Try right-clicking on xawtv and changing the
capture mode to 'overlay'.
fbtv comes with xawtv; if you don't seem to have it (do a `whereis
fbtv`) then you'll need to compile the source. Search freshmeat.net for
xawtv to get the source; if you need help compiling it after reading
the README and INSTALL files in the archive, send me a private email
(spam trap in use, remove the alphabet from every other letter).
Consequently fbtv does solve the grabbing problem, but you need to get
a kernel framebuffer working first (effectively you've transferred the
problem from X Windows to the kernel, but you may have more luck this
way). You probably don't have framebuffer support compiled in if
you're not sure, get the latest stable kernel and compile that with
support (see the Kernel HOWTO, or if you still have problems send me a
private email).
HOWEVER: as I mentioned earlier, the drivers for the kernel
framebuffer have much more limited support for graphics cards than X
Windows; I can check for you if your graphics card is supported if you
tell me what it is before you begin.
Robie.
>
>Cheers
>
>Duncan
>
>
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Im sorry, but I seem to be missing most of the thread for this
>question.
>> So good someone please reiterate it for me...
>>
>> Can someone help me please.
>>
>> I am a newbie to linux. Having installed mandrake 7.0 on Tuesday.
>> (using KDE) I have managed to get all of my hardware working except
>for
>> my Hauppauge PCI TV card (mono, teletext, no radio version). (with a
>> voodoo3 2000 PCI)
>>
>> I have downloaded both the bttv and xawtv from the site. However the
>> install notes are not clear. (I wish all install notes were like those
>> with xchat, step by step console commands...)
>>
>> After tar them, I can't ./configure or gmake or make them. ./configure
>> doesn't exist, and I get error reports for the make commands.
>>
>> Can someone please help me. As the TV drivers for win2K are worse than
>> useless, and I was hoping that linux would/could do it better.
>> I can't seem to find any decent documentation regarding this issue.
>> Any help would be appreciated, and the simpler the better.
>>
>> Thanks in advance..
>>
>> (PS. Is licq compatible with ICQ? ie. can I see my contacts from my
>win
>> ICQ list...)
>>
>> --
>> Dan
>> UK
>> Shaolin ICQ #37847165
>> THE AGHLTFC NG SITE
>> http://www.aghltfc.co.uk
>> "You hip hop you hip it to the hop and you hip hip hop
>> and you don't stop rockin to the bang bang boogie
>> say up jump the boogie to the rhythm of the boogada beat."
>>
>> "Okay brain you don't like me and I don't like you, but
>> lets get through this and I'll get back to killing you with beer"
>> Homer Simpson
>>
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (eyez)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: News Readers for Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 18:00:24 GMT
quoting <James Hammerton>:
>"Scott Zielinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Anyone know of a good news reader for Linux?
>
>I use gnus. It takes a bit of time to learn but is very powerful and
>efficient.
I use slrn. I used to use pine, but pine doesn't sort by threads. slrn is a
nice newsreader, and you can use any editor you'd like to use to compose
messages, and it's highly configurable. but, there's many others. My
suggestion is to try al of them taht you can find... Check on
freshmeat.net in their news sections. Or, if you're lucky enough to be usin
debian, check dselect under 'news' and pull 'em off the net with apt.
>
>James
>
>--
>James Hammerton, Department of Computer Science, University College Dublin
> WWW Pages: http://www.cs.ucd.ie/staff/jhammerton/
> http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~james
--
Rando Christensen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<perception is reality>
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