Linux-Misc Digest #70, Volume #27 Fri, 9 Feb 01 19:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Karel Jansens)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Steve Mading)
Re: at queue problems (Gregory A Greenman)
2.2.17 kernel and usb (Alan Needleman)
need help with LAN connection setup (grimace)
Re: WEb Cam for Newbi (Michael Heiming)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Peter T. Breuer")
PERL + MYSQL + CRONTAB question..... ("Breaking Spaces")
Sound Blaster 16 PCI, setup, etc. (Lyndon Bartels)
WEB BROWSERS what is available ("Will Fish")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Robert Surenko)
Re: WEb Cam for Newbi (Drew Roedersheimer)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Johan Kullstam)
Re: WEb Cam for Newbi ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Very weird emacs initialization behaviour. (Thaddeus L. Olczyk)
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 23:07:19 +0100
Ian Davey wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karel Jansens
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> i don't see why the origin of the universe needs explaining. it
> >> *wants* explaining, i mean, i'd sure like to know how it got here.
> >> but nothing collapses just because we don't bother trying anymore than
> >> god would fail to exist because we don't explain his beginning.
> >>
> >So you accept the lot on blind faith then?
>
> You don't need faith. You can open your eyes and see the universe exists. Pop
> your eye onto a telescope and look at the stars. You can even see billions of
> years into the past, towards the origins of the universe.
>
Yes. And amazing it is indeed.
My problem is this: If I look at a star, I can tell you where it comes
from (or at least I can learn so I can tell you); planets? All you
need is a couple of good supernovae; Microsoft programmers? According
to Mr Darwin, it takes nothing more than some handy instable molecules
and a couple of billions of years of evolution.
But if I ask you: "Where does the universe come from?", what, pray,
will be your reply?
> >> > It seems to me you are simply
> >> > replacing the term "God" with "Universe" (I noticed you even write it
> >> > with a capital)
> >>
> >> maybe you should look again.
> >>
> >Yeah. Sorry about that. Got posters mixed up. Again.
> >Still, I see no semantic difference between the statements "God just
> >exists" and "the universe just exists".
>
> So in your view "god" equals "universe"?
>
Does that follow from what I wrote? If so, allow me to rephrase: What
I meant was that if someone is prepared to accept the existence of the
universe without question, that this person is essentially doing the
same as someone who is prepared to accept the existence of God without
question.
> The problem with the god theory is that it adds nothing to the understanding
> of how the universe did originate, all it does do is provide people with a
> mechanism to control others. The big questions that the existence of a god
> would lead to just aren't answered by religions, because god was created by
> mankind. These kind of questions seem best answered by physics and astronomy,
> which are doing more to unravel these mysteries than any invented god ever
> did. You can watch stars being born.
>
Be careful not to confuse the belief in God with the belief in a
superior ethical system. If I were to believe that God created the
universe, that does not automatically mean that I believe that He has
given me the right to judge the rest of mankind.
> You could probably redefine god as the glitch which caused the big bang (if
> you accept that theory), but it's difficult to define them/it as anything
> more.
>
I could, but I won't.
> In the end though, it's irrelevant whether or not you believe in god (or gods)
> as they don't actually do anything. You may as well worship The Flumps or The
> Blue Meanies, it'll do just as much good and probably a lot less harm.
>
Do you equal belief to worship?
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
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"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: 9 Feb 2001 22:07:42 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In comp.os.linux.misc Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> : Cool,
:> : I'm finally a Martian! All I have to do is get lots of
:> : people to agree that they (and I) are too.
:> Yes. Absolutely. And at that point, "Martian" would no
:> longer mean "from the planet Mars". Definitions are arbitrary.
:> That's how language works. The only trick is to avoid the
:> false equivocation fallacies that would occur if you switched
:> definitions in the middle of a discussion. Pick one and keep
:> using it consistantly within a context.
: Switched definitions is what I fear is happening with the
: Atheist/Agnostic disscussion.
: Sure definitions are arbitrary but, In my opinion, the definitions
: of Athiest/Agnostic have been fairly stable for around 100 or so
: years. Perhaps even longer.
You appear to be operating under the assumption that the meaning
I argue for is a new, recent change. It is not.
: I don't think it's good to allow a small group to change a definition
: to suite it's agenda.
I don't think it's good to allow a large group to change a
definition to suit it's agenda - that of misrepresenting
the smaller group.
: You'll nver find a "cracker" who says he ain't a "hacker".
Of course, because they like to think of themselves as
talented programmers (whether they are or not), not because
they think "hacker" means someone who breaks into systems.
Many crackers *ARE* hackers too.
: It appears that some Atheist would rather redefine the situation
: to make it look like the "others" have belief systems, while they
: do not.
That's not re-definition. It's plain fact. The burden of proof
is on the one proposing the existance of something, not the
one doubting it.
: I think it might be related to the belief that Science is not a
: set of beliefs.
It's not. It's a set of methods to be used to arrive at beliefs.
: Gosh too many belief's in one sentence!
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From: Gregory A Greenman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: at queue problems
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:20:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Gregory A Greenman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> says...
> I have two users users set up on my Mandrake Linux 7.0
> computer that are both trying to use the at queue to run
> programs. They both have a shell script that calls the at
> command. The line where at is called is:
>
> at -q b -f diprun $2 $3 $4
>
> This works fine for one of the users, but for the other, when
> the appropriate time comes, diprun does not execute. It just
> stays in the queue indefinitely without ever executing.
>
> If anyone knows why this is happening and how to fix it, I'd
> greatly appreciate your help.
Just to follow up on this, in case anyone else is having similar
problems. From the account that was having the at queue problems,
I scheduled a script in the "a", "b" and "c" queues. The script
in the "b" queue failed to execute when its time came, but the
other two did. Not knowing what else to do, I rebooted the
computer. Now the "b" queue works fine again.
Greg
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greg -at- spencersoft -dot- com
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From: Alan Needleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 2.2.17 kernel and usb
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:21:15 -0500
Hi,
I have a RH 6.x system and I'd like to add USB support. I found the
kernel-2.2.17-14 rpm on rpmfind and that seems to work even though on
installation it complains about a missing cpia_usb.o module. However,
there is no kernel-header rpm which is needed for VMware to be installed
on the new kernel. I'd appreciate it if someone could point me to where
I can find an appropriate header rpm (and also the missing module) and
to any HOWTO on using USB ZIP drives.
Thanks much.
Alan
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From: grimace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: need help with LAN connection setup
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:30:04 -0000
I am just beggining to experiment with linux and am wondering how to get it
to recognize my LAN internet connection. Can anybody help?
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 23:28:54 +0100
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WEb Cam for Newbi
> This would probable help but my box has no usb ports and I already have a
> bttv card :o(
> If I get really desperate I may have to upgrade my machine and dump my video
> card but this would be almost a last resort.
> Thanks for the info though, if I do have to go this root then this will be
> very handy.
> Regards,
> Bob
>
> Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > at some VERY easy to setup and use Webcam code to run on a linx box. The
> box
> >
> > I just set up a usb camera with no problem .. I had to be careful to
> > get one with a supported chipset - in my case the creative labs
> > webcam plus (not the go, or go plus) model ct6840. It looks like a
> > little black dog. It has a ov511+ chip.
> >
> > It was just a question of compiling the 2.4.0 or 2.2.18 kernels and
> > modules, installing and booting, and loading the videodev.o and ov511.o
> > and i2c-core.o drivers, and the usb-uhci.o module (use ohci if you
> > don't have an intel motherboard), then starting xawtv.
> >
> > Module Size Used by
> > ov511 30112 1
> > videodev 2252 1 [ov511]
> > hid 10396 0 (unused)
> > mousedev 3268 0 (unused)
> > usbmouse 1348 0 (unused)
> > input 2380 0 [hid mousedev usbmouse]
> > usb-uhci 17660 0 (unused)
> > usbcore 21576 0 [ov511 hid usbmouse usb-uhci]
> > i2c 3104 1 [tuner]
> >
> > (for my 2.2.15 kernel .. to which I did a backport).
> >
> > The linux-usb.org pages (or is it usb-linux.org?) were helpful,
> > though I complained to the author about the amera section :-).
> > Don't follow the instructions there (they tell you to get v4l2).
> > Do as I just said to do.
> >
> > Peter
Hello,
if your working bttv card has a working video input, I
would suggest getting a Sony CCX-Z77E color vide camera.
I have one, it makes really great pictures (640x480) and was not
that expensive (229,- DM don't know in $), its much better than any
of those USB and other webcams I saw.
Michael Heiming
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 23:24:10 +0100
In comp.os.linux.misc Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ian Davey wrote:
> But if I ask you: "Where does the universe come from?", what, pray,
> will be your reply?
Well, current theories say that it is a quantum happening that
underwent a period of rapid inflation that managed to disentangle
the major forces before it could pop back out of existence again.
Roughly. Estimates are that we're about 10 years off the next theory
of everything.
Peter
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From: "Breaking Spaces" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PERL + MYSQL + CRONTAB question.....
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:49:23 GMT
How do i receive email and process it into an mySql database using crontab?
Can i use perl-scripts with crontab?
I'am running und redhat 7.0
Greetings,
Richard
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From: Lyndon Bartels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Sound Blaster 16 PCI, setup, etc.
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 23:04:48 GMT
I'm having problems with getting my sound card working....
I'm running RH7.0. I installed a SoundBlaster 16 PCI.
First I scanned these newsgroups, and didn't find any problems *just
like mine*. But i did find some clues....
First I tried sndconfig... It said I had an Ensoniq sound card that's
not supported.
Next I tried sndconfig with "--noprobe --noautoconfig" options. I told
it I had a SoundBlaster 16. It modifies /etc/modules.conf. But when it
tries to install the modules it give me some errors.
I believe I'm at the point where I don't have IRQs and IOs configured
correctly. And I'm not sure what they're supposed to be....
I have attached:
/etc/modules.conf (as it is currently.)
The proper part of /var/log/boot.log file.
and a capture of /proc/pci
How do I configure my sound card? Where do I get the appropriate info
and how do I interpret it? So I get then put what information into
modules.conf?
Thanks:
Lyndon Bartels
/etc/modules.conf:
alias scsi_hostadapter aic7xxx
alias eth0 3c59x
alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
alias sound-slot-0 sb
options sound dmabuf=1
alias midi opl3
options opl3 io=0x388
options sb io=0x220 irq=10 dma=0 mpu_io=0x330
part of /var/log/boot.log:
Feb 9 16:40:17 tyresias modprobe: /lib/modules/2.2.16-22/misc/sb.o:
Feb 9 16:40:17 tyresias modprobe: Hint: insmod errors can be caused by
incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters
Feb 9 16:40:17 tyresias rc.sysinit: Loading sound module (sb): failed
Feb 9 16:40:17 tyresias modprobe: init_module: Device or resource busy
Feb 9 16:40:17 tyresias modprobe: /lib/modules/2.2.16-22/misc/sb.o:
insmod /lib/modules/2.2.16-22/misc/sb.o failed
Feb 9 16:40:17 tyresias modprobe: /lib/modules/2.2.16-22/misc/sb.o:
insmod sb failed
Feb 9 16:40:17 tyresias modprobe: /lib/modules/2.2.16-22/misc/opl3.o:
Feb 9 16:40:17 tyresias modprobe: Hint: insmod errors can be caused by
incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters
Feb 9 16:40:17 tyresias rc.sysinit: Loading midi module (opl3): failed
Feb 9 16:40:17 tyresias modprobe: init_module: Device or resource busy
Feb 9 16:40:17 tyresias modprobe: /lib/modules/2.2.16-22/misc/opl3.o:
insmod /lib/modules/2.2.16-22/misc/opl3.o failed
Feb 9 16:40:17 tyresias modprobe: /lib/modules/2.2.16-22/misc/opl3.o:
insmod opl3 failed
capture of /proc/pci
PCI devices found:
Bus 0, device 0, function 0:
Host bridge: VIA Technologies VT 82C597 Apollo VP3 (rev 4).
Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable.
Latency=16.
Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe0000000 [0xe0000008].
Bus 0, device 1, function 0:
PCI bridge: VIA Technologies VT 82C598 Apollo MVP3 AGP (rev 0).
Medium devsel. Master Capable. No bursts. Min Gnt=4.
Bus 0, device 7, function 0:
ISA bridge: VIA Technologies VT 82C586 Apollo ISA (rev 65).
Medium devsel. Master Capable. No bursts.
Bus 0, device 7, function 1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies VT
82C586 Apollo IDE (rev 6).
Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable.
Latency=64.
I/O at 0xb400 [0xb401].
Bus 0, device 8, function 0:
VGA compatible controller: ATI Unknown device (rev 0).
Vendor id=1002. Device id=5245.
Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. IRQ 15. Master
Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=8.
Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe4000000 [0xe4000008].
I/O at 0xb800 [0xb801].
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xeb000000 [0xeb000000].
Bus 0, device 9, function 0:
SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AIC-7881U (rev 0).
Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. IRQ 5. Master
Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=8.Max Lat=8.
I/O at 0xbc00 [0xbc01].
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xeb005000 [0xeb005000].
Bus 0, device 10, function 0:
Ethernet controller: 3Com 3C905B 100bTX (rev 48).
Medium devsel. IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=64. Min
Gnt=10.Max Lat=10.
I/O at 0xc000 [0xc001].
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xeb004000 [0xeb004000].
Bus 0, device 11, function 0:
Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq Unknown device (rev 2).
Vendor id=1274. Device id=5880.
Slow devsel. IRQ 10. Master Capable. Latency=64. Min
Gnt=12.Max Lat=128.
I/O at 0xc400 [0xc401].
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From: "Will Fish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: WEB BROWSERS what is available
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 23:12:26 -0000
I've been looking at web browsers for linux for the first time recently and
wonder what is available, and what is the best in terms of the following
criteria:
efficiency
speed
compatibility
expandability
free & open source
I want a browser that is VERY small (<4-500kb), efficient with memory and
bandwidth, compatible with as much of th recent developments in
HTML/java/scripting, runs under X11 but only uses basic Xlibs, AND most
importantly is expandable would be nice if it could pipe out unrecognised
markup to other tools for processing (pipe out java script, style sheets,
tables, frames, swallow other programs within the browser window
(XReparentWindow), etc.......). I've had a brief look at arena, netscape,
amaya, chimera. and found them all wrong in some way. I did like the look of
chimera in terms of it's simplicity, compactness and the fact it worked on a
standard X11 dist, but it is incompatible with most modern bloated web
sites. Is anyone still developing this browser(the dist on sunsite is a few
yrs old), is anyone developing anything similarly small and standard with
HTML4 compatibility. I had a brief look at the code and wondered whether it
was worth trying to hack it about but I thought i'd check to see if anyone
else is developing the sort of thing i'm looking for?
Anyways I hope i'm not just talking dribble to myself and taking up too much
valuable bandwidth, anyones comments, info, advice welcome
thanx in advance
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From: Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 23:23:40 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : In comp.os.linux.misc Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> : How can you know, think, affirm or deny anything if you don't
> :> : believe anything?
> :> : "The Earth is positivly, absolutly not flat", implies that I have some
> :> : beliefs concerning the shape of the Earth.
> :> : Please give me one example of a subject that I deny a statement,
> :> : but don't have any belief associated with it.
> :> You owe me $1000. Pay up. If you deny this, is that a new
> :> belief on your part that you didn't have before you read this
> :> post?
> : Sure is.
> Then we are at an impasse. To me, such a thing is not a belief.
> Hearing a claim and not believing it is identical to not having
> heard the claim in the first place, in terms of how much quantity
> of belief you have about said claim.
I suppose your right, we are at an ipasse.
It's kind of fasinating however that the dictionary defines "belief"
in part as an "opinion or conviction".
You apparently say, "If I agree, I believe. If I dissagree, I have no
opinion or conviction on the subject".
What is the process you go through when you first hear the claim, but
have not yet rendered an opinion (belief)?
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- Bob Surenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- http://www.fred.net/surenko/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Drew Roedersheimer)
Subject: Re: WEb Cam for Newbi
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 23:32:08 GMT
<snip>
>
>Hello,
>
>if your working bttv card has a working video input, I
>would suggest getting a Sony CCX-Z77E color vide camera.
>
>I have one, it makes really great pictures (640x480) and was not
>that expensive (229,- DM don't know in $), its much better than any
>of those USB and other webcams I saw.
>
>Michael Heiming
>
>
>
I'd like to get my hands on one of those cameras. I've tried searching
everywhere, but can't find any for sale. I even checked sony's site
with no luck. Any suggestions??
regards
-DR
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 23:36:41 GMT
Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Johan Kullstam wrote:
> >
> > Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > "God" is, by definition, "the First Cause".
> >
> > this is begs the question and renders your argment completely
> > meaningless.
> >
> I am afraid this doesn't parse at all. Could you rephrase that,
> please?
i can't explain it any better than these guys.
<URL:http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/begging.htm>
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J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WEb Cam for Newbi
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 23:45:58 GMT
Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> This would probable help but my box has no usb ports and I already have a
>> bttv card :o(
You can buy a pci-card with usb ports on. Or a pcmcia card. USB cameras
look to be where the market is at.
There are also parallel port cameras - but harder to get hold of. Only
a very few are supported.
>> If I get really desperate I may have to upgrade my machine and dump my video
>> card but this would be almost a last resort.
I have both a tv card and a usb camera. I don't see why you need to
dump anything.
> if your working bttv card has a working video input, I
> would suggest getting a Sony CCX-Z77E color vide camera.
Any camera with an output to a tv input should be fine! But expensive.
> I have one, it makes really great pictures (640x480) and was not
> that expensive (229,- DM don't know in $), its much better than any
> of those USB and other webcams I saw.
If you can get it. 229DM is about twice the price of the camera I was
talking about, but it won't be ccd!
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thaddeus L. Olczyk)
Crossposted-To: comp.emacs
Subject: Re: Very weird emacs initialization behaviour.
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 23:59:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 09 Feb 2001 20:04:45 +0100, in comp.emacs you wrote:
>On Fri, 09 Feb 2001, Thaddeus L. Olczyk wrote:
>
>
>Suppose you have an entry
>
>emacs.geometry: 3x4+10+20
>
>in your ~/.Xdefaults file. Then "emacs" will use it, but "emacs-20.7"
>will not.
>
It's not in ~/.Xdefaults I already checked there.
>I use "Emacs.geometry" rather than "emacs.geometry", then all instance
>of Emacs use the entry, rather than just the ones called with the
>"emacs" command.
>
>Do "xrdb -query" for a list of all resources in the X server, do
>"appres Emacs" and "appres emacs" for further lists of resources.
>
I was not familiar with this version of these commands and sure enough
it is there!
The only problem is how do I get it out?
( Actually there is another problem -- how did it get there in the
first place?)
Even before your response, I tried xrdb ~/.Xdefaults and the shell
hangs.
Is there a straight out way of deleting the rdb?
>Does this help?
>
About 75% at least I know where things stand!
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