Linux-Misc Digest #78, Volume #21 Mon, 19 Jul 99 03:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: linux on powerpc ("James Wall")
Re: root password (Chin Yew Tuck)
Re: Legal file and directory names (Robert Nichols)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (audadvnc)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Richard Kulisz)
Last login information not present in Red Hat 6.0 ("Jon M. Hanson")
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Richard Kulisz)
Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux? (Terrapin)
Linux Music Software Site (Jason Horton)
Re: Linux+NT4+win98
Re: any way to access MBR directly?
Re: linux on powerpc (maui)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (De Messemaeker Johan)
mouse problem (John Brashier)
Re: Dead daemons? (Chris Harshman)
Redirecting output to log file (Warren Bell)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Stefaan A Eeckels)
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From: "James Wall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux on powerpc
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 23:50:53 -0400
HI,
I'm not sure about i86 side, but in PPC the usuall method is to install
on a seperate HD, I use an external 1 gig drive. I don't know what FIPS is
but, as far as I know, if you repartition a HD you have to do a complete
reinstall. The best way to do this is do a back up, do the partition,
restore on the smaller partition then install the linux.
As for which linuxs there are, LInuxPPC is the "standard", try looking
on Cnet, I think they have a link for yellowdog, and there is Deniban.
--
James Wall
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Doe)
wrote:
> I've just got myself a great deal on a used
> powercenter and I can't wait to run linux on it.
>
> Is there any thing equivalent to the dos program FIPS
> for mac. All the faqs I've read about linux on powerpc
> seems to suggest that I have to reinstall the os to
> do the partitioning and I don't want to do that.
>
> I would appreciate anyone pointing me in the right
> direction to get me started. A better faq's than
> the faq-o-matic would be nice.
>
> Also I read about this yellow dog linux and now I can only
> find www.linuxppc.com. How many distributions are there
> for linuxppc.com?
>
> Does anyone know a cheap cd vendor for ppc? I know
> linux central and cheapbytes don't carry ppc version.
>
> Please cc to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thanks in advance
>
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From: Chin Yew Tuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.general,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: root password
Date: 19 Jul 1999 03:31:07 GMT
I have tried typing : linux single
but the error still persist and I'm still prompted for the
root password.
Quiney, Philip (EXCHANGE:HAL02:HM10) wrote:
> Chin Yew Tuck wrote:
> >
> > When I bootup my Linux workstation (installed with redhat 5.2) it gives
> > the following error msg:
> >
> > "/dev/hda7: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY."
> > "*** An error occurred during the file system check."
> > "*** Dropping you to a shell; the system will boot"
> > "*** when you leave the shell."
> > "Give root password for maintenance"
> > "(or type Control-D for normal startup):"
> >
> > If cntrl-D is pressed, the worksation reboot and the above
> > error msg is seen again. I do not have the root password and
> > is new to the Linux operating system. Please help and thank you
> > in advance.
>
> You can start the system in single user mode. At the LILO prompt type:
> linux single
>
>
> When it finishes you will have a shell as root already logged in. You
> can then run the fsck command as:
>
> fsck /dev/hda7
>
> When finished type:
> exit
>
> The machine will continue to start up - in some cases you may need to
> reboot. On second thoughts this is perhaps the safest option. Do a
> <ctrl><alt><delete> rather than the exit to shut the machine down
> properly.
>
> When running the above shell you could set the password for root to
> anything you like assuming the current holder of the root password won't
> mind. ;-)
>
>
> HTH
>
> Regards
>
> Phil Q
>
> --
>
> Phil Quiney Digital PowerLine,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nortel Networks,
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> Fax: +44 (1279) 402885 Essex CM17 9NA,
> United Kingdom.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Nichols)
Subject: Re: Legal file and directory names
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 00:08:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matthias Benkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>directory of user "something". Also, an initial octothorpe (that's what
:>the "#" character is officially called)
:
:Wow, "Octothorpe" sounds like some cool AD&D fantasy monster. Where'd
:you read about it? MSB
I'm not sure just where I read about that. Apparently the name is a
fairly recent invention, coined by the author of some technical document
who was unable to find any universally accepted name for the character.
Trying to maintain a scholarly tone while repeatedly mentioning "the
tic-tac-toe sign" is not an easy task. The "octo" prefix comes from the
eight line ends. I don't recall the derivation of the "thorpe" part.
--
Bob Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PGP public key 1024/9A9C7955
Key fingerprint = 2F E5 82 F8 5D 06 A2 59 20 65 44 68 87 EC A7 D7
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From: audadvnc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 23:18:43 -0500
Yikes, Ashley, are you truly advocating eugenics? Now there's a bad
science.
> Maybe I've missed something in the conversation, but why should we attempt
> to against what has been proven to work time after time? Indeed, the world
> is going to get worse because of the genetically damaged humans who are
> reproducing now.
>
> I'm not saying that to be horrible, I'm trying to be as clinical as I can,
> and it's a proven fact that illness/weaknesses can be passed down via the
> genes. The more a genetically weak person reproduces, the worse the human
> population becomes.
>
> Hey, you can see it in action with redneck americans already! (JOKING!)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: 19 Jul 1999 05:03:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Where have you been the past century?
Saying crap like that almost automatically means you know jack about history.
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From: "Jon M. Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Last login information not present in Red Hat 6.0
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:10:47 -0700
In my Red Hat 6.0 installation of Linux I noticed that if I'm logged in
as root and I finger a user account that I have created it will say "Never
logged in" when that user has been logged in. The converse is also true if I
finger root from a user account. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I
can get this to function?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: 19 Jul 1999 05:29:54 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It was the 18 Jul 1999 11:35:36 GMT...
>..and Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The free market works in NO situation. Capitalism, understood as
>> dictatorship by the capitalists, "works" only if human dignity and
>> human needs are irrelevant.
>
>Of course the free market works in some situations.
Free market => large-scale competition => large-scale conflict == war
What's this about the supposed benefits of war?
>No. Capitalism is based on competition, but competition need not
>entrail destruction. How you come to associate capitalism with
>dictatorship is beyond me...
The distinguishing characteristic of competition is destruction. In
any situation that isn't destructive, you can easily assign greed or
cooperation as possible motives. The only time when the motive for
an action *must* be competition is when the action is destructive.
An employer tells you when you can piss, when you can eat, where you
have to sit, and what you have to do for a third of your day. Sure as
bloody hell sounds like a dictator to me!
Btw, there is a sharp difference between the *real* and the propaganda
meanings of capitalism. In the propaganda, capitalism is based on the
free market. But nothing could be further from reality. There are no
functioning free markets on the entire planet. In every "free market",
all the producers are bled dry very quickly; it's a chaotic implosion
of an industry. The free-market rhetoric is that producers fight each
other and consumers swoop down like vultures for the easy pickings. I
note that my describing the free market as a perpetual war is dead on.
Since the workers are the producers and the billionaires are the consumers,
it's easy to see why an ideology that glorifies consumers has come about.
>The human nature is not homogeneous. Inside every single man, there is
I wasn't referring to human nature. That war is bad is an obvious fact of
nature, same with cooperation being good (almost by definition in fact).
>both the urge to cooperate with others and the urge to destroy others.
>(Come on all the Freudians: "Eros, Thanatos, rah, rah, rah!") The key
>to viable social and political systems is acceptance and integration
>of both these urges.
Bullshit. The key to viable social and political systems is
*suppression* of destructive tendencies, the way the Japanese
suppress anger. How are you supposed to "integrate" murder
into society?? You don't!
The idea of "acceptance" is quack-talk. No serious psychiatrist
believes that giving vent to anger serves any cathartic purpose.
Rather, it's known that expressing anger only serves to make a
person more angry and violent, even towards innocent strangers.
So it's clear that you *must* suppress destructive tendencies,
and it should be clear that you *can* do so indefinitely. That
this is not obvious comes from quacks bullshiting about things
they know nothing about, and the American public desperately
looking for a way to rationalize its violent tendencies.
>The fundamental error of both capitalism and socialism is thinking
>that such a viable system can be built on solely one urge, violently
>suppressing the other.
Destruction can and /must/ be suppressed. Just listen to yourself talk;
how appalled would you be if someone advocated letting psychopaths run
amock? Well, that's exactly what capitalists are!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terrapin)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux?
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 05:07:46 GMT
On 18 Jul 1999 23:36:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:49:11 GMT, Terrapin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>(Posted from Mandrake with wine running Forte Agent)
>
> I have to ask. *WHY!?!?!?* SLRN, man! Learn it. Love it. LIVE IT! :)
OK. I'll try it out. My linux box has been behaving so well for the
last two weeks it's getting boring. hehehe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Horton)
Subject: Linux Music Software Site
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 05:32:46 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There are hundreds of music programs for Linux which you can
download at http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/linux/?ng
Jason.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux+NT4+win98
Date: 19 Jul 1999 04:50:50 GMT
J�rgen Pfann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Pierre Arnaud wrote:
: >
: > One detail that is implied in Pirana Selvanandan's reply, but not stated
: > clearly : NT can only boot from the NT loader in the mbr. Step 1 to 5
: No, no, no. NT boot manager can also easily and happily reside in the
: _boot sector_ of a primary partition on the first HD, provided it is a
: FAT16 (NOT FAT32 AFAIK) or NTFS partition _and_ the one marked active.
: You then can invoke the NT boot loader via LILO (e.g other=/dev/hda1;
: label=NT; table=/dev/hda).
: -- stuff deleted
: I admit Win9x expects its resp. system partition to be the _active_;
: so (not knowing the question of this thread precisely) you seem to be
: restricted to only a handful scenarios if you want to have LILO
: as primary boot manager:
I had my machine setup to quad boot (win-95,nt,SCO,linux) in a number
of ways and disagree with some of the poins above. I have had nt and
95 in the same NON-ACTIVE partition formated as FAT-16 and neither
had any problem with not being the active partiton. I have also done it
with 95 being in its own partition and NT in its own (the NT partition
formated as NTFS. Again no problem with them not being active. In one
scenario, NT, 95, and SCO were in the three primary partitions, Linux
in a logical partition. I used a "generic" MBR boot rouitne (did not matter
if it came from SCO, NT or 95). Each OS had its own boot routine in the boot
sector of its partition, including LILO in the Linux partition's boot
sector. LILO was configured to also boot the opther OSes. I copied
LILO from the first 384 bytes of the Linux logical partition to the
first 384 bytes of the extended partition (being careful not to overwrite
the extended partition table info that lies after the first 384 bytes.
I then made the extended partition active! This would cause LILO to
boot giving me access to all four OSes.
--
Arch
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| Dr. J. Archer Harris Dept of Computer Science |
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] James Madison University |
| (540) 568 - 2774 Harrisonburg, VA 22807 |
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: any way to access MBR directly?
Date: 19 Jul 1999 04:58:41 GMT
J�rgen Exner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Michael Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:7m9k84$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: > I was running a dual boot setup with lilo in the MBR
: > and then decided to change things around so I went
: > ahead and formatted the drive. This wiped out both
: > the DOS and Linux partitions, but left the LILO
: > intact on the MBR. I eventually managed to "reset"
: > the MBR by installing DOS, then Win98, but I'm still curious
: > if there was a way to wipe out LILO manually?
: No problem. Assuming you are using a SCSI system:
: Simply "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda" plus you may want to restrict the size
: to 256 bytes (otherwise you would erase more then just the MBR; details
: please see the man page of dd)
Or, if you have MS fdisk, you can run "fdisk /mbr" to rewrite the boot
routine in the MBR without erasing the partition table.
--
Arch
+---------------------------------------------------+
| Dr. J. Archer Harris Dept of Computer Science |
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] James Madison University |
| (540) 568 - 2774 Harrisonburg, VA 22807 |
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From: maui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux on powerpc
Date: 18 Jul 1999 22:13:26 PDT
John Doe wrote:
> I've just got myself a great deal on a used
> powercenter and I can't wait to run linux on it.
>
>
check out comp.os.linux.powerpc,
good luck
> for mac. All the faqs I've read about linux on powerpc
> seems to suggest that I have to reinstall the os to
> do the partitioning and I don't want to do that.
>
> I would appreciate anyone pointing me in the right
> direction to get me started. A better faq's than
> the faq-o-matic would be nice.
>
> Also I read about this yellow dog linux and now I can only
> find www.linuxppc.com. How many distributions are there
> for linuxppc.com?
>
> Does anyone know a cheap cd vendor for ppc? I know
> linux central and cheapbytes don't carry ppc version.
>
> Please cc to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thanks in advance
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From: De Messemaeker Johan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:52:10 +0200
Jason O'Rourke wrote:
> De Messemaeker Johan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >So why aren't you paying your contributions to the UN then ?
>
> Because the UN stopped taking orders.
</SARCASM ON>
Oh, i didn't know it was a business. I always thought it was an
organization to bring peace to the world ... or something like that.
Thank you for the truth.
</SARCASM OFF>
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From: John Brashier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
redhat.general,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: mouse problem
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 23:13:18 -0700
I just did a complete install of RedHat 5.2, and I entered the wrong
info for my mouse. I think its just listed on the wrong port, but I
don't know how to reconfigure it now. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Brashier
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From: Chris Harshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Dead daemons?
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 01:21:15 -0500
Frank v Waveren wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Telent in? So you user id and paddword can be sniffed by anyone?
> > Really, you shouldn't. You have SSH installed; use it.
Only one account is in the wheel group to su to root,
and my account isn't it. If anyone gets in using my
account, all they'll have is user-level access.
I have a ssh client installed on my personal box,
but when I'm elsewhere, I don't. I only login
with the administrative account, and su to root,
when I'm running ssh.
> > My guess is that someone sniffed your telnet password and
> > logged in. They shut down telnet to stop you getting back in
> > and shutdown syslogd to cover their tracks.
A week later? And why kill inetd but not sshd or the getty
monitoring the modem line?
> > What you need to do from here, is get all the important data
> > off the machine and do a complete reinstall.
Incremental back-ups to tape and DVD-RAM on-site.
> Or, if you haven't got a t3 handy, and don't want to go up there and back
> it all up: shut down all daemons you don't absolutely need, erase and
> recompile all the others. Replace all suid executables... Possibly replace the
> kernel. That should get you at least reasonably safe...
Tripwire didn't find anything.
> (Oh yes, one more thing: Change the passwords :-) )
I don't think this is the work of a hacker. I've had hackers
in the system before and tracked 'em down. I've also had
syslogd crash on me before once before, when the box was
not on a LAN but on my desk with the hard-drives spread
out... =) It's known as 'ebhon' because it's an
emotional black hole of need. Erratic behaviour is
more or less expected of the beast.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 20:51:03 -0700
From: Warren Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Redirecting output to log file
How would I redirect the output of a script to /var/log/messages or
another log file? I have a small script that echos things to the
console but I want to have it write to a logfile instead. I don't know
if I would use cat or a | (pipe).
Also, what exactly do cat and pipe do?
Thanks,
Warren Bell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: 19 Jul 1999 05:57:10 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
> It was the 18 Jul 1999 13:39:35 GMT...
> ..and Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Harumph. The natural world *does* run on competition, rather
>> than on cooperation: competition for food and living space,
>> both inter and intra species.
>> When left alone, nature weeds out the weaker, and the stronger
>> get to procreate.
>
> Men are not animals.
Humans most definitely *are* animals. Thinking that we're
somehow special WRT the rest of wht lives on this planet
is a dangerous form of hubris.
> Nature doing something in a certain way does not
> imply that mankind should do it the same way; often it implies that
> one should indeed do it the opposite way.
If you want to see it like that (and I didn't advance any
form of this reasoning), then you're wrong. What we do
is "nature". We're as much part of nature as anything else.
Don't let 2000 years of judeo-christiansm cloud your thinking.
>> Anybody basing their concept of society on the false
>> assumption that humans are by nature cooperative is
>> living in cloud-cuckoo land.
>
> A concept on society should never be based on any assumptions about
> human nature, but rather be flexible so as to adapt to all the
> surprising quirks human nature can show.
And how is that "not based on human nature"?
--
Stefaan
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