Linux-Misc Digest #78, Volume #24 Sat, 8 Apr 00 13:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Visio (Microsoft vs. Unix) (Bill Vermillion)
Converting Mac Word 4 and PICT files to HTML/JPG or GIF on Linux (Mary-Anne G. Wolf)
Re: Visio (Microsoft vs. Unix) (Francois Labreque)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Otto")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Grant Edwards)
Re: HELP!!!! Can't Get To KDE (Andrew Purugganan)
Re: [Fwd: Why??] (Vialli Wong)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Roger Lindsj|)
Re: two print que's using the same device (J Bland)
Re: News Readers for Linux (J Bland)
Re: Unable to change root password. (J Bland)
Re: query on tar backup ("Andrew E. Schulman")
slackware - sendmail (Luc Bergeron)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (petilon)
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Visio (Microsoft vs. Unix)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:50:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Anthony Mandic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>David Steuber wrote:
>
>> OK. Why don't we grab our guns and attack Microsoft in a truly
>> effective way?
> That's easy enough to do. Just tell God ^H^H^H Charlton Heston
> that Bill Gates is anti-gun and anti-NRL.
> But for the life of me, I can't understand why companies like
> Borland, Corel, Novell never filed a class action suit against
> MS. Hmmm ... maybe now might be a good time.
Well the decendant of the Novell/WordPerfect group became Caldera,
and they filed a suit - and got a settlement - finally. Since
they were into the Linux camp by then they didn't have a lot to
lose by suing for MS's past practices against their DR-DOS product.
--
Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mary-Anne G. Wolf)
Subject: Converting Mac Word 4 and PICT files to HTML/JPG or GIF on Linux
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:19:34 GMT
I have a disk of files in MSWord 4 format on a Mac IIsi running System
6. (System 7 would be too slow for this machine, but I can borrow a
System 7 Mac if necessary.) The Word 4 files contain pictures in what
I assume to be Mac PICT format, pasted by way of the Mac Scrapbook.
I also have the same pictures in UltraPaint format, which is where
I created them.
I want these files to end up in HTML format with JPG or GIF pictures
on a Redhat 6.1 Linux machine. I can move these using a DOS format
floppy or other solutions, but the format conversion is the real
issue here.
Sun's StarOffice won't open Mac Word 4 files at all; the dialog says
it will open PICT files, but that has never worked for me.
I also have access to a Win95 laptop, and Verity's Keyview Pro on that
machine will open the Word 4 + PICT files, but its bulk conversion
functionality won't work, so I have to deal with files one at a time.
(It says all files encountered an error, but won't tell me what the
error is.) Even its bulk conversion is too lame to handle dropping a
folder/directory on it. Besides, I'd rather have something that runs
on the Linux box.
Yahoo.com doesn't have file format conversion as a category. I looked
where they put AbbotSys's CanOpener (a Mac file conversion product I
have heard of but not tried) and Keyview Pro, and it was not in the
same place, which surprised me.
Does anyone know of a good solution? I am willing to buy software if
it is not terribly expensive. Would WordPerfect for Linux do a better
job at importing? Would CanOpener on System 7 do this conversion in
bulk?
Thanks,
Mary-Anne Wolf
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
P.S. I would have copied Sun on this article too, but they do not
publish a suitable StarOffice support email address on their web site.
Sun, if you want to use this as proof of demand for better import
filters, please do.
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:31:50 -0400
From: Francois Labreque <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Visio (Microsoft vs. Unix)
Anthony Mandic wrote:
>
> David Steuber wrote:
>
> > OK. Why don't we grab our guns and attack Microsoft in a truly
> > effective way?
>
> That's easy enough to do. Just tell God ^H^H^H Charlton Heston
> that Bill Gates is anti-gun and anti-NRL.
>
> But for the life of me, I can't understand why companies like
> Borland, Corel, Novell never filed a class action suit against
> MS. Hmmm ... maybe now might be a good time.
>
> -am
Lotus and a few others did about 5 years ago. They were complaining
about Microsoft's heavy use of undocumented function calls in their apps
and saying it was an unfair advantage. I don't think it went anywhere.
By the way, Borland (a.k.a Inprise) was recently bought by Corel.
--
Francois Labreque | Make you a deal, I'll show you mine if you show
flabreq | me yours.
@ |
attglobal.net | - Pandora.
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From: "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 15:47:37 GMT
"petilon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Kertzman word against a no name vice-president from Microsoft,
> > nice. There's nobody to deny allegations. Depending on one's
> > perspective, one might/might not believe the story.
>
> You must be new to this industry. Follow the link below, then
> come back and tell us if you still have trouble believing the
> story:
> http://x25.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=282694102
The link produces a 404 error, evidently the urban legend what you were
referencing no longer exists.
> > Let's see.... Buy NT server and the $700.00 Sybase software vs
> > just buy NT server. Hmmm... Is there anyone out there that
> > still thinks Microsoft should be split up?
>
> This is the kind of ignorance that's typical of Microsoft
> customers. They see something bundled with the OS and they
> think they are getting something for free.
You call it ignorance and in actuality it is a smart business decision. Some
people don't have unlimited budget for software. When people don't need to
pay $700.00 on the top of the NT server price, then it is conceivable that
they are "getting something for free".
>
> Nothing could be farther from the truth. For example, people
> see IE bundled with Windows and they think Microsoft is helping
> them save money. In reality Microsoft indirectly charged you for
> IE by cleverly hiding the charge in the form of an "upgrade" to
> Windows 95. What people don't realize is that Windows 98 was
> nothing but a way for Microsoft to recuperate the development
> cost of IE.
Every company, which ever developed anything, will recuperate the cost of
the R & D. Microsoft is not different in that respect.
>
> Windows 98 is practically the same product as Windows 95, with
> some bug fixes. In a competitive market Microsoft could never
> have charged $90 for these bug fixes. Thanks to their monopoly
> Microsoft was able to get away with this crime.
So you think that Windows 98 is a crime. Then you're probably screaming
bloody murder when you look at Red Hat's version numbers, 5.0/5.1 and
6.0/6.1. The time elapsed between the versions isn't even close to three
years which is the case of the Windows95/98 switch. Not to mention the rest
of the Linux distributors and the fact that their R & D is minimal, when
compared to Microsoft's. Yet, the price of the Linux distros are similar to
Windows platform prices.
>
> The bottom line is that unregulated monopolies are a bad idea.
That's a contradiction in terminology and pretends that regulated monopolies
exists. Monopolies are against the law and no regulation exists for them for
that reason.
> When Microsoft bundles something with the OS it may look like
> they are giving you something for free, but once Microsoft
> drives the competition out of business they will raise prices
> and freeze innovation, as Microsoft has done with their desktop
> OS and productivity applications.
Would you care to elaborate as to why the price of the Windows9x has not
changed since 1995? That fact in itself is contradicting your statement.
Never mind the fact that Microsoft just came out with their new
desktop/server OSs and the productivity applications. In case you missed it,
very doubtfull, there's Windows 2000, MS Office 2000, etc...
Otto
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 16:37:36 GMT
On Sat, 08 Apr 2000 15:47:37 GMT, Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Every company, which ever developed anything, will recuperate
>the cost of the R & D. Microsoft is not different in that
>respect.
Except that they've never developed anything. Not anything new
anyway. MS products are mostly just bloated, crappy copies of
stuff other people invented.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! I FORGOT to do the
at DISHES!!
visi.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!! Can't Get To KDE
Date: 8 Apr 2000 16:22:55 GMT
Steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:30:10 GMT, FDB2010 wrote:
: >All--I installed Mandrake 7.0 on my workstation. I can get to the login
: >screen but DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TYPE TO GET TO KDE. actually, once i type
: >my login and password, im then sent to a command console (a screen that
: >has 2 white boxes that's displaying the same information). I don't know
: >where i am at this point within the OS, or how to get to KDE. I was able
: >to take some digital pics to better help explain what it is that im
: >seeing. Im brand new in using Linux
I have the old Mandrake 6.0, they include a command
desktopcfg
that will allow you to pick KDE (or Gnome, or other) windowmanager
Type that at a command line, not while in X though
--
jazz annandy AT dc DOT seflin DOT org
Registered linux user no. 164098-88940
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
--- OUT THERE??
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Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 00:40:06 +0800
From: Vialli Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Why??]
Thanks for this post.
Actually I was doing this before as I was new to these newsgroup.
I find that this is really a problem when I try to search message, so
I won't do this anymore!
Hope all of us (at least most of us) could do this.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Lindsj|)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: 8 Apr 2000 16:40:05 GMT
In article <twIH4.46269$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>So you think that Windows 98 is a crime. Then you're probably screaming
>bloody murder when you look at Red Hat's version numbers, 5.0/5.1 and
>6.0/6.1. The time elapsed between the versions isn't even close to three
>years which is the case of the Windows95/98 switch. Not to mention the rest
>of the Linux distributors and the fact that their R & D is minimal, when
>compared to Microsoft's. Yet, the price of the Linux distros are similar to
>Windows platform prices.
RedHat charges you when you buy their CDs, manuals, and some not
software. But you can download all the free software from their
website, or copy the CDs from a friend. I have yet to see any place
at Microsoft's website where I can download Windows 2000 for free.
Roger Lindsj�
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Subject: Re: two print que's using the same device
Date: 8 Apr 2000 10:03:57 GMT
On Sat, 08 Apr 2000 03:36:04 GMT, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ralph C Blach wrote:
>
>>I have a hp deskjet printer attached to my linux System and I works great,
>>for both color and black and white! I have it set up to print black and with
>>by default. What I want to have is lp0 for black and white and lp1 for
>>color. Both would use /dev/lp0. Any hints?
>
>Just set up two queues that both use /dev/lp0.
Yep, I did just that for an Epson Stylus here, just used yast to add the
same printer on lp1 at two different resolutions, then edited /etc/printcap
to set a different name for the second queue.
Whil printing from one queue if you send jobs to the other it says it can't
print is the printer busy and waits until it's finished. With a laser
printer on lp0 as well on this server it's miles better than the old
printer sharer and switcher box and rat's nest of wires we used to have.
No problems so far.
JB
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: News Readers for Linux
Date: 8 Apr 2000 00:07:22 GMT
On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 23:22:43 GMT, Bit Twister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Here is a reason
> http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2000-02.html
>
>>Seems like no one is using Netscape 's Mozilla.
Maybe some people find loading up a huge browser/composer/email/news client
etc just a bit ott just to scan through a few news articles.
Unix apps have always tended to be small and efficient yet retaining
interoperability with other apps. Let's not forget this.
I *never* use the composer/email/news capabilities of Netscape. So why do I
have to load them up every time I want to browse a web page? Does Mozilla
fix this?
JB
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Subject: Re: Unable to change root password.
Date: 8 Apr 2000 14:42:07 GMT
On 8 Apr 2000 10:57:11 GMT, Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ben Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: I have noticed that if you su to root and then change the password, it
>: really doesn't change. The only way to change the root password is to login
>: as root directly on the console. It probably only allows root to change it's
>
>It changes just fine. Read the man page for passwd. or send in a bug
>report!
>
> passwd changes passwords for user and group accounts. A
> normal user may only change the password for their own
> account, the super user may change the password for any
> account. The administrator of a group may change the
>
>
The problem stems from becoming root with su, some things like passwd still
apply to the previous user. I'm pretty sure that using su - root will cure
it. Or use passwd <user>.
JB
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From: "Andrew E. Schulman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: query on tar backup
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 13:00:24 -0400
> we use tar back up for copying on to tapes as well cd's. when we take
> backup the entire path name of the file is written to archive. when we
> extract the file the path is again created under the current working
> directory(cwd). we wish to create only extracted file in the cwd and
> not with complete path.
>
> we acheive it by extracting the file to STDOUT and then creating it in
> the cwd. when extarcted file is compressed it is more complicated. can
> this be minimised by an optional switch?
Yes, but I don't have the man page in front of me. Try reading 'man
tar' or 'info tar'.
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From: Luc Bergeron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: slackware - sendmail
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 13:03:42 -0400
i just installed slackware 7. I changed the settings
in the HOSTNAME and hosts files to set my own
demain name (vortex.computer). Now, when i'm booting
slackware, sendmail takes about 1 min to load !!!
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Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
From: petilon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 10:08:39 -0700
"Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>> You must be new to this industry. Follow the link below, then
>> come back and tell us if you still have trouble believing the
>> story:
>> http://x25.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=282694102
>
> The link produces a 404 error, evidently the urban legend what
> you were referencing no longer exists.
I am not getting any 404 error. Try again.
>> This is the kind of ignorance that's typical of Microsoft
>> customers. They see something bundled with the OS and they
>> think they are getting something for free.
>
> You call it ignorance and in actuality it is a smart business
> decision. Some people don't have unlimited budget for
> software. When people don't need to pay $700.00 on the top of
> the NT server price, then it is conceivable that they are
> "getting something for free".
You give Microsoft a monopoly and you will end up paying a lot
more than $700. Microsoft raises prices in subtle ways. Here's
an example:
http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,16045,00.html?owv
Here's another:
http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,26061,00.html?owv
Remember, Microsoft isn't bundling things with their OS because
of the goodness of their heart. They know that once they drive
the competitors out of business they will be able to jack prices
up in subtle ways, and also sell you the same product multiple
times, as they did with Windows 95/98.
> Every company, which ever developed anything, will recuperate
> the cost of the R & D. Microsoft is not different in that
> respect.
Microsoft is only different in that they have extracted oscenely
large profits, and what's worse, they are continuing to extract
huge amounts of money from their customers, without
proportionately improving their products. For example, Word97
costs the same as Word95 and yet the products are practically
identical.
People think Microsoft isn't raising prices, but when they sell
you the same product multiple times (e.g.: Win95/98, Word95/97),
if that isn't a subtle price increase what is?
> So you think that Windows 98 is a crime. Then you're probably
> screaming bloody murder when you look at Red Hat's version
> numbers, 5.0/5.1 and 6.0/6.1. The time elapsed between the
> versions isn't even close to three years which is the case of
> the Windows95/98 switch. Not to mention the rest of the Linux
> distributors and the fact that their R & D is minimal, when
> compared to Microsoft's. Yet, the price of the Linux distros
> are similar to Windows platform prices.
Linux is a free product. Try to get that into your head. I bought
my copy of Redhat for $2 from www.cheapbytes.com and with that
$2 investment I can install the OS on a thousand machines if I
want to. Legally.
>>
>> The bottom line is that unregulated monopolies are a bad idea.
>
> That's a contradiction in terminology and pretends that
> regulated monopolies exists. Monopolies are against the law
> and no regulation exists for them for that reason.
You are clueless. I can only assume you don't live in the US,
and so are unfamiliar with US laws. Monopolies are not illegal.
Leveraging a monopoly to extend or protect that monopoly is
illegal. There are lots of regulated monopolies.
>
>> When Microsoft bundles something with the OS it may look like
>> they are giving you something for free, but once Microsoft
>> drives the competition out of business they will raise prices
>> and freeze innovation, as Microsoft has done with their
>> desktop OS and productivity applications.
>
> Would you care to elaborate as to why the price of the
> Windows9x has not changed since 1995? That fact in itself is
> contradicting your statement.
The fact that the price of Windows9x hasn't changed since 1995
shows that that they have raised prices. Now that may seem like
a contradiction until you realize, as I have, that I paid $90
when Widows95 came out and another $90 for Windows98, for a total
of $180, and yet I have basically the same product (except for a
few bug fixes) that I had in 1995. So what I have in my hand
today is a $180 product.
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