Linux-Misc Digest #763, Volume #23 Mon, 6 Mar 00 03:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Advice on PartitionMagic on all-Linux system? (Alan Burns)
Re: multiple users using X on same computer at same time? (Vincent C. Jones)
Re: Microsoft reinvents the wheel!!! (Jan Schaumann)
Re: cron (roger summars)
Re: (Cable modem) networking problem (James Waldby)
Re: Salary? ("Big Circle")
Re: Why won't NT load? (Jean-Francois Landry)
Re: Permission Question . . . ("Jason")
problem in surfing after connecting to my ISP ("L_newbies")
Re: cron (Wm. Parsons)
Re: Advice on PartitionMagic on all-Linux system? (Dave Brown)
Apache ("testing123")
Re: Problems with pppd ("testing123")
Re: SoundBlaster Awe64 PCI? ("Richard")
Looking for Floppy Tape Drive Backup Strategy. ("Brad Melendy")
Re: Microsoft reinvents the wheel!!! (Steve Lamb)
Re: Best HTML tool for Linux (Chris Kuhi)
Re: problem in surfing after connecting to my ISP ("David ..")
Re: Salary? (Jos� Luis Domingo)
Netscape printer fonts, page headers & footers
Linux on IBM Thinkpad 760LD (Terrio Echavez)
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From: Alan Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Advice on PartitionMagic on all-Linux system?
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 22:04:37 -0600
In article <J01w4.508$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith) wrote:
> Version 4.0 added the ability to move, resize, copy, and create ext2fs
> partitions. Version 5.0 hasn't really added anything to that set of
> operations, AFAIK.
It added conversion from primary to logical and vice versa, I think.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: multiple users using X on same computer at same time?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vincent C. Jones)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:39:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Hugo Villeneuve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Rick wrote:
>>
>> I would like to have 2-3 accounts active on the same computer, running X
>> at the same time. I tried cntrl-alr-f2, but when I log in and start X, I
>> get an error saying display 0 is using X. I tried startx --:1, and xinit
>> --:1, but get the same error. Is it possble to do this.
>>
>> any and all help appreciated.
>> --
>>
>> Rick
>> To reply by email remove NOSPAM from my address.
>
>There a space between -- and :1.
>
>startx -- :1
>
>The -- is a delimeter between options that startx send to the session
>script and options send to the X server if I remember well.
>
>Now ctrl-alt-F7 and ctrl-alt-F8 should be 2 different X server.
>
>
>Hugo
When I did this to run WABI (it required an 8-bit display and my other
apps wanted 16), I found I also had to create another "startx" that
selected a different window manager because kwm refused to run twice.
Your mileage may vary.
--
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Computer Network Consultant for those who want to manage and
Networking Unlimited, Inc. control their networking destiny
14 Dogwood Lane, Tenafly, NJ
http://www.networkingunlimited.com
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From: Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft reinvents the wheel!!!
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 23:42:06 -0500
Tim Hockin wrote:
>
> Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Who makes a backup by hardlinking?
> : Would you make a backup by hardlinking? You are aware of why that would
> : be a bad thing(tm) and why it would then be a ridiculous thing for M$ to do
> : automatically? :P
>
> go back and read what I said - reference counts. As soon as one file
> disappears/changes the other files still exist in their old format. If
> your method of 'backup' is copying a file to another file, you are screwed
> JUSt the same as the MS CoW method. Scenario:
>
> UNIX:
> you copy file foo to foo.bak
> 1) delete foo by accident? no problem
> 2) overwrite foo by accident? no problem
> 3) crash the disk? problem
>
> MS CoW:
> you copy file foo to foo.bak
> 1) delete foo by accident? no problem - reference counts
> 2) overwrite foo by accident? no problem - Copy-on-Write
> 3) crash the disk? problem
>
> same semantics for what you dub a 'backup'.
I'm not quite sure if I got your point.
It's obvious that one does not want to crete a backup by hardlink.
Rahter one wants to be "foo" and "foo.bak" to be to *completely*
different files that just *happen* to be in the same directory (if so)
and of the same size. Now when M$'s "new" linking-system goes through
the file-hirarchy, it is my understanding that it replaces "foo.bak"
with a sym-link to "foo".
This does not make any sense, as I (the user) might want to keep a (one,
tow, or maybe a zillion) copy(ies) of this particular file and do not
want the system to decide wheather this is supposed to be a link or not.
Your whole scenario dos not change anything about that.
-Jan
--
Jan Schaumann
http://jschauma-0.dsl.speakeasy.net/
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From: roger summars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cron
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 22:39:50 -0600
Wait.... hold that last response.
I put the MAILTO thing in the crontab file, rather than in the "crontab"
file. this might be working after all, but it's a mission-critical box,
so i'll have to go slowly in testing.... more to follow
Thanks
Roger
Kenny McCormack wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, roger summars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >When cron runs, it emails a copy of any output to the owner of the cron
> >job. This is filling my hard drive with useless drivel. I have
> >commented out the "MAILTO=root" line in the crontab file, with no
> >apparent success. I cannot find the source code for the cron daemon to
> >edit it directly. Anyone have any ideas?????
>
> MAILTO=root is superfluous, as it is the default.
>
> Put in a line that says: MAILTO=""
>
> That'll fix it.
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From: James Waldby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: (Cable modem) networking problem
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 05:01:32 GMT
Peter Lee wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am using Adelphia powerlink (cable modem) as my internet provider. I
> setup network in redhat 6.1 as dhcp. When I use ifconfig to check my
> network, I got the message like:
>
> [root@oh-wreserve3a-211 /mnt]# ifconfig
> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:C0:F0:4A:07:D9
> inet addr:24.48.168.211 Bcast:24.48.168.255
> Mask:255.255.255.0
> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MTU:1500 Metric:1
> RX packets:80 errors:11 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> TX packets:3 errors:178 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:534
> collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
> Interrupt:9 Base address:0xdc00
> ...
The line "TX packets:3 errors:178 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:534"
means that most of the data you're transmitting is lost due to errors.
TCP/IP isn't robust when the error rate isn't small, and won't work
at all with an error rate like the above. If your hardware is known
good (eg, works in another op sys) then you might have the wrong
driver. If it isn't known good, try a different ethernet card or a
different 10BT RJ45 cable or a different cablemodem. :)
> According to some documents I read, if "inet addr:" show an IP address,
> then I am in business. However, I still can't connect to internet. When
> I lauched ftp, telnet or www, the programs just stuck, like caught in an
> infinite do-loop..... Can anyone help me what I missed???
>
> thanks!!
> Pete
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From: "Big Circle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:17:18 +0800
Can you tell us your duties and daily works?
Any vacancies in your company?
Peter Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Underpaid? That's interesting because whenever I've talked to people
> about working in the USA, they've always quoted less that I was
> earning in UK.
> I'm currently an A/P earning over US$100K. 35hr a week but admittedly,
> no benefits.
>
> PAM.
>
> __________ Tim Hockin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> __________
> >In comp.os.linux.misc Peter Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >: Having said that I'd guess that as you've left school and it's an
> >: admin job I'd go for about GB20K which would be about US$30K which
> >: works out at about ....oh dear, US$10.27/hr. Perhaps I have my sums
> >: wrong.
> >
> >IT folk are underpaid in GB or overpaid in US :) Starting admin job in
CA
> >40-60k, depending on experience (maybe more for high-power jobs) and
> >depending on stock options/benefits. less than 40 is crazy - especially
in
> >California.
> >
> >--
> >Tim Hockin
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >This program has been brought to you by the language C and the number F.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jean-Francois Landry)
Subject: Re: Why won't NT load?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 05:38:25 GMT
Once upon a time, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Jean-Francois writes:
>> Since the standard MBR put down by DOS format.com...
>
>There is no "standard" MBR.
>
Sorry for the confusion. I was talking in Microsoft centric terms.
AFAIK, if you use operating systems from Redmond the boot sector in the
MBR will always be a chainloader that loads the boot sector from the
active partition.
>> ...was blasted by LILO...
>
>Actually, it was carefully saved by Lilo so that it can be restored by
>'lilo -u'.
Good point. But it is useless in this case if the drive was not partitionned
with MSDOS fdisk. If partitionned with Linux fdisk the MBR boot sector will be
blank (or at least not in a state to boot anything).
Hope this is clear now,
Jean-Francois Landry
--
We apologize for the inconvenience, but we'd still like yout to test out
this kernel.
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From: "Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Permission Question . . .
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 05:39:45 GMT
Okay, that's not the issue. The issue is that when I set a file to
belong to a group and then assign users to that group, those users are
not allowed to make modifications to those files even if the
permissions were set to 777. Something doesn't seem to be working
correctly and I cannot figure out what. root seems to be the only user
that can do anything, even if the owner and group are set correctly.
Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Jason wrote:
> >
> > Hello, all. I have a question for the group, and I hope you'll
give me
> > a little more understanding of the topic than I currently have.
Based
> > on the man pages I have read and Que's Using Linux, my
understanding
> > is that the owner and the group of the file or directory has
> > permission to modify the file or directory (if set to at least
660).
> >
> > However, I am unable to make any changes (write, delete, chmod) to
a
> > file as a member of the group, only as the owner or as root. (I
have
> > even tried setting suid and gid which did not change the
behavior.)
> >
> > I want to enable a few users to be able to modify any files or
dirs,
> > and a few users to be able to modify only specific files or dirs.
> > Currently only the owner of the file or dir can make any
> > modifications. If a member of the group uploads or copies a file
then
> > that user can modify that file only.
> >
> > How do I get around this, or is it even possible?
> 660 (rw for all) permission allows you to read and write to files,
> but it doesn't necessarily allow you to enter the directory
> containing the files. You need x permission for that.
>
> --
>
> Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
> Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: "L_newbies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: problem in surfing after connecting to my ISP
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:48:36 -0500
After many hours of trial-and-error, I finally get connected to my ISP.
However, I was not able to surf any site in the internet? Anyone have idea
on what I have done wrong?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wm. Parsons)
Subject: Re: cron
Date: 5 Mar 2000 23:14:41 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, roger summars wrote:
>When cron runs, it emails a copy of any output to the owner of the cron
>job. This is filling my hard drive with useless drivel. I have
>commented out the "MAILTO=root" line in the crontab file, with no
>apparent success. I cannot find the source code for the cron daemon to
>edit it directly. Anyone have any ideas?????
>
>Roger
Change your crontab entries to redirect their output to /dev/null.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Advice on PartitionMagic on all-Linux system?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 6 Mar 2000 00:11:27 -0600
In article <J01w4.508$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rod Smith wrote:
>[Posted and mailed]
>
>> Can the current version (5.0) resize an ext2fs partition?
>
>Yes.
>
>> The last time I looked, PM could only move ext2fs partitions, but
>> couldn't resize them. If this feature has been added, I'm quite
>> interested.
>
>Your recollection is faulty. There was never a version of Partition Magic
>that could move but not resize ext2fs partitions. (Except maybe internally
>to PowerQuest.) Version 3.0 could recognize ext2fs partitions, but that's
>it. Version 4.0 added the ability to move, resize, copy, and create ext2fs
>partitions. Version 5.0 hasn't really added anything to that set of
>operations, AFAIK.
>
I have PM 4.0, but haven't really been able to play with it. It claims
my partition table is corrupted. Yet both MS fdisk and Linux fdisk are
able to work with it. Any suggestions as to how to make my partition
table acceptable to PM?
Also, I've been curious about how PM can resize an ext2 partition, i.e.,
shrink it. Since ext2fs does not necessarily stuff files in data blocks
near the beginning of the partition (as I understand it, it looks for a
data-block-group(s) which have enough contiguous data blocks to store
the file without fragmentation). But that could mean that cylinders
toward the end of the partition are being used, even on a lightly
filled partition. Does PM relocate used data blocks toward the
beginning of the partition? I don't know of a Linux utility that does.
--
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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From: "testing123" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Apache
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:26:00 -0800
I have open Linux 2.3 and trying to use apache proxy , i uncommitted the
line in httpd.conf " ProxyRequest On" but when i start apache it gives
me the error " wrong syntax ,command misspelled or module not loaded " I
checked and the docs and they say the mod_proxy is a base module and
should be already loaded . I cannot figure out how to load the module.
Help!!!!
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From: "testing123" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problems with pppd
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:41:25 -0800
try lowering the baud rate to 19200 , Once it works you may be able to bump
up to a higher one.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:89tvlm$41n$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I am unable to connect to the internet thru Linux. Whenever it connects
the
> ppp daemon "dies out unexpectedly". I tried debugging but that didn't help
> much. Pl. help me if u have a sol. to this problem. THANKS Rahul
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: "Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: SoundBlaster Awe64 PCI?
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:54:56 -0800
That's a Creative Ensoniq PCI sound card. Not an AWE 64. I believe it may
work on linux but I'm not sure.
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From: "Brad Melendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Looking for Floppy Tape Drive Backup Strategy.
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:14:27 -0800
Hello,
I am looking for a good/basic backup strategy. I have a RedHat Linux server
with a QIC 3020 3gig Traven TR-3 floppy tape drive. I'd like to automate a
regular backup and am looking for advice/suggestions on which is the easiest
way to do this. File permisions are important but I am new enough to Linux
that I don't really know which software to use.
Does anyone have any advice/suggestions they can share with me? Thanks very
much in advance.
...Brad
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Subject: Re: Microsoft reinvents the wheel!!!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:23:07 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Hockin) wrote in
<89uhlo$fh9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>go back and read what I said - reference counts. As soon as one file
>disappears/changes the other files still exist in their old format. If
>your method of 'backup' is copying a file to another file, you are screwed
>JUSt the same as the MS CoW method. Scenario:
Uhm, no. Let me see if I can explain this in a manner that you'll
understand.
>UNIX:
>you copy file foo to foo.bak
>1) delete foo by accident? no problem
>2) overwrite foo by accident? no problem
2.1) Disk develops error on block which contain original? no problem
>3) crash the disk? problem
>MS CoW:
>you copy file foo to foo.bak
>1) delete foo by accident? no problem - reference counts
>2) overwrite foo by accident? no problem - Copy-on-Write
2.1) Disk develops error on block which contain original? Problem.
>3) crash the disk? problem
>same semantics for what you dub a 'backup'.
Except that if the sectors that are on the HD fail it would only fail on
one /COPY/ in the non-hardlinked version where it would corrupt /ALL/ copies
of the hardlinked version. Therefore, the MS automagic it less robust and
causes problems because of that.
You /DID/ think of that, right? I thought not.
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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From: Chris Kuhi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best HTML tool for Linux
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:04:27 +0100
Jeff wrote:
> Thanks, I agree FrontPage is junk, Composer is weak, would like something
> like DreamWeaver (to do both visual and text/tag layout/edit). I'll take a
> look at WebMaker. Any other suggestions?
Have you looked at Quanta? It's not as feature-rich as Dreamweaver, but it
does have an integrated preview pane, while still allowing you to edit text
tags.
Chris
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: problem in surfing after connecting to my ISP
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 01:31:33 -0600
Did you configure your /etc/resolv.conf file with your ISP name servers?
David
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From: Jos� Luis Domingo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:38:54 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Christopher R. Carlen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Try somewhere in
>
> $45000 <= salary <= $75000
>
> Pretty wide range, but it seems about right, from what I know, which
> isn't much :-D
>
Just in case someone finds it interesting...
Here in Spain, if you have just finished your career and ask for a
salary starting at 7M pesetas ($45K) you will probably end in a mental
institution.
I finished my career in telco's less than a year ago, and what I've been
told by
colleagues the same age is that the starting salary is around 3M pesetas
($18K). It seems we have to go US or UK to get a decent salary...
Jos� Luis Domingo L�pez
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Before you buy.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Netscape printer fonts, page headers & footers
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:30:07 GMT
How do I add/change printer fonts for Netscape 4.7 for
Linux?
How can I have headers and footer print (with the URL,
page number, date, etc.) as in other versions of
Netscape?
I have read (and tried to follow) all the relevant Linux
HOW-TOs and technical info on Netscape's website. No
luck.
Also, my Netscape "File" menu does not include "Page
Setup" as in other Netscape versions.
My setup is: Red Hat 6.1, Netscape 4.7, Lexmark Optra R+
printer (it has both PCL and PostScript).
Thanks in advance.
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From: Terrio Echavez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux on IBM Thinkpad 760LD
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 23:37:38 -0800
Hello folks,
I have an IBM Thinkpad 760LD and somewhat successfully installed
Mandrake 6.1 (I wanted to do Redhat 6.1 but it would not recognize my
video card and subsequently bombed before the installation even began).
Anyway Mandrake 6.1 takes a SVGA 680x400 Trident Cyber9320 8-bit fine.
It fills out the screen, and I'm learning to live with it. Windows 3.11
uses an IBM supplied Trident Cyber9320 16-bit at 800x 600 fine. Does
anyone know of another video driver that I can at least 8-bit that would
go at 800x600 resolution on a Linux system for this Thinkpad?
Also soundblaster works almost fine for the soundcard except it
interfers with the IRQ of cua1 (com2). When I switch to ESS which also
works except no wav, at least my modem works. Does anyone know how to
tweek the soundblaster settings so I can both get sound and use com port
cua1?
Any help would be much appreciated.
Best regards,
Terrio Echavez
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