Linux-Misc Digest #955, Volume #23 Sun, 26 Mar 00 12:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Kppp Problem (Hamid Misnan)
Re: linux-2.3.51 -> linux-2.3.99pre1 (Hamid Misnan)
PCMCIA ("Jurren Bouman")
More resolution probs ("Simon H.")
Re: how to lock the keyboard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
debian upgrade (Tim Kelley)
Re: LICQ file receive using InJoy FireWall for OS/2 Warp 4 (Robie Basak)
Re: set up winmodem for ppp (Robie Basak)
Need help with HPDJ720, printing script file and /etc/printcap
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: how to lock the keyboard (Tim Kelley)
MIDI problem: set up /dev/music (David Ilsen)
setting invalid ("G.J. Rowe")
Re: ("G.J. Rowe")
Re: linux-2.3.51 -> linux-2.3.99pre1 (Frederic L. W. Meunier)
Re: More resolution probs (Hermit)
Q: HP Deskjet 930 (Henrik Becker)
strings (Ian Mortimer)
Re: More resolution probs ("Simon H.")
Re: More resolution probs ("Simon H.")
Re: debian upgrade (Paul Kimoto)
Re: newbie problem (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1] (Len Philpot)
Re: strings ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Upgrading SuSE v6.0 to v6.3? (Stewart Honsberger)
Re: LICQ file receive using InJoy FireWall for OS/2 Warp 4 ("William L. Hartzell")
Re: pppd non-root access (John Hasler)
Methods to copy partitions for back up purposes (mike)
Trouble connecting to my ISP with a modem ("Dave Borchard")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hamid Misnan)
Subject: Re: Kppp Problem
Date: 25 Mar 2000 23:24:45 GMT
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:43:58 -0500, Vijay wrote:
>hi there,
>i am a linux newbie so i would be real grateful for anykinda help.........
>okay i have an account with www.freewwweb.com as
>an ISP and i am trying to work that with my RH Linux 6.1.
>my modem dials hte number and i am getting an error saying "pppd failure"
>and error message says "server cannot find any secrets to authenticate"
>(something similar). i have set authentication to PAP and i have given my
>username, password correctly (since the same account works in Windoze...).
>could anyone please guide me what i should do to get kppp working!
>my log window says "connect 46000.." and pppd crashes here i dont know why
>with the above mentioned error message.
>thanks in advance
Oh please.. your pppd is not crashing, it just give out an error message because
it couldn't find a secret keyword to authenticate your logon. Add "noauth" (w/o
quotes of course) into /etc/ppp/options, that will do it. Most probably your PC
is connected to LAN and have default route set.
--
|Mohd Hamid Misnan | http://www.mhmsys.com | [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
|AMD-Linux & iMac Bondi Blue RevB | [EMAIL PROTECTED]/alumni.uop.edu |
- Actually, Microsoft is sort of a mixture between the Borg and the Ferengi.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hamid Misnan)
Subject: Re: linux-2.3.51 -> linux-2.3.99pre1
Date: 25 Mar 2000 23:25:48 GMT
On 19 Mar 2000 16:29:32 GMT, Bastian wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:43:29 -0500, Young4ert wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have just checked the linux kernel site and found that the development
>>kernel jumped from the version 2.3.51 to 2.3.99pre1. Is not this pretty
>>strange thing to do?
>>
>>Any comment?
>>
>
>It's a pre-release for 2.4
Does this mean we're going to get 2.4 in like say a month time? ;)
--
|Mohd Hamid Misnan | http://www.mhmsys.com | [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
|AMD-Linux & iMac Bondi Blue RevB | [EMAIL PROTECTED]/alumni.uop.edu |
- 0 and 1. Now what could be so hard about that?
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From: "Jurren Bouman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PCMCIA
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:09:24 GMT
I'm using SuSE 6.3 on a Compaq Armada 1540D laptop computer and have =
some problems with the pcmcia utility. After installing this feature and =
rebooting the system it just freezes at: "PCMCIA: Starting Services:" =
Then, after a few minutes, the system just reboots. Then again at the =
line PCMCIA: Starting Services the system hangs again. It's in a loop of =
rebooting everytime it wants to start the pcmcia feature. Only thing I =
can do is to remove the pcmcia utility and then everything works fine. =
But I'd like to use this in order to make connection to the outside =
world...
Does anyone have any ideas how to solve this problem? A friend of mine =
gave me the advice to edit a line in /etc/rc.config: =
"PCMCIA_PCIC_OPTS=3D"irq_list=3D3,5,7,9,10" This seems to work for him =
but I still have these reboots...
--=20
Jurren Bouman
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Simon H." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: More resolution probs
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:48:37 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Firstly, sincere thanks to everyone that posted/mailed in response to my
earlier cry for help entitled "New to Linux: Help!".
One problem I'm having is that everything on the desktop is HUGE. The
consensus was that this was because in my XF86Config file, the
resolution was set to 640x480, whereas what I need is 800x600. I ran
XF86Configurator - no success here. So, I switched the modes around in
XF86Config by hand, with "800x600" first in line. Still no improvement.
What on earth is wrong?! (I can't use Ctrl-Alt-Minus/Plus because I
don't have a numeric keypad).
The machine is a Toshiba Satellite 310CDT (which the Linux Laptop page
at utexas.edu doesn't mention) with 800x600 LCD panel, and (I think) a
pretty standard SVGA card (which was autodetected with no difficulty).
If anyone has succeeded with Linux (I'm using RH6.1) on this machine I'd
love to hear from you. (I'm also having trouble with the keyboard
settings, though this can wait)
Cheers, Simon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: how to lock the keyboard
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:51:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why not use the password lock in the screensaver?
Is this screensaver text based? I'd like to run it from a text shell.
If so, in what RPM could I find it in my CD set?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: debian upgrade
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 08:12:25 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a dumb debian question:
If I have slink, and I want potato, is it corrct that all I need to do is
apt-get distribution-upgrade?
Or will this give me the distro in the unstable tree (woody), which I don't
want?
--
Tim Kelley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: LICQ file receive using InJoy FireWall for OS/2 Warp 4
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 26 Mar 2000 22:21:34 GMT
On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 02:39:58 GMT, Stewart Honsberger said:
>As the subject implies, I'm trying to receive files via LICQ with a NAT'ed
>IP address. I'm currently using LICQ v0.76 (and am currently compiling
>v0.80), and go through the InJoy Firewall software for OS/2 Warp 4 via
>a shared cable modem.
>
>I can typically send files without problems, but can't receive files. Does
>anybody know how I could setup LICQ and/or the InJoy firewall to allow file
>transfers through to my IP?
This is an issue for the firewall, which nobody here knows anything
about, as it's a Linux newsgroup.
Of course, if the firewall were running Linux :-), then it would be a
simple case of compiling the ICQ masquerading module, then 'modprobe
masq_icq'.
Robie.
>
>I'd really love to be able to do this without shelling out mega-bucks to
>'that cable company' for a couple of extra IP addresses.
>
>Any help is appreciated! TIA!
>
>--
>Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
>Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: set up winmodem for ppp
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 26 Mar 2000 22:29:29 GMT
On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:55:38 -0600, Jinning He said:
>
>Hi,
>
>I have RH6.1 and win98 coexisting on my x86 box.
>My modem is LT win modem with LT PnP chip. It works for win98. Now I am
>trying to make it work for RH6.1. I know this type of modem is called
>(software modem) and needs driver to support. Fortunately someone wrote a
>driver for it (compiled on RH6.1). Lucent also has a so called buggy
>driver. I downloaded both from http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html.
>But when I tried to install the module, I got an error message saying
>
>init_module: Device or Resource busy
This is the typical response when the module couldn't load for some
reason; if it was written well, then you may find a more helpful error
message in /var/log/messages.
>And I can't see my module in the loaded module list. I don't know what's
>going on. What is busy here ?
The module failed to load. At a guess, it may be because it failed to
find the card. I don't know about this driver, but check it's docs to
see if there are any paramaters you need to give it. If it's an ISA
card, you'll need to set up the PnP using pnpdump and isapnp first
(read the man pages).
>I would like to know if someone has similar experience and could help.
>I guess once I have the driver, following steps would be using
>setserial/minicom to config serial port and irq, then run pppd.
>Is this idea correct ? (I read bunch of docs and those are the steps I
>finally come up with) Would kppp be a lot easier ?
This depends on how the driver does it. If it gets the modem to
emulate a COM port, then you need to use /dev/ttySx as the modem
device [where x = COM(x+1) ie COM1 = /dev/ttyS0 etc.]
Once you've got a device working, kppp is the easiest dialin I've
seen, and it's a lot like Windows dialup networking, so if you're
familiar with that...
>PPP is the only way I can get on line. If I can't get internet access,
>then linux would mean nothing to me.
You bought a modem which is only half a modem. I had one of these with
my computer, and Windows hung up the modem half the time for no reason
- I assume because the processor (PII 450) couldn't keep up. My
external one works fine.
Buying an external modem would be a good investment - there are, in my
experience, far more reliable.
>
> -- Jinning
>
Robie.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Need help with HPDJ720, printing script file and /etc/printcap
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:17:07 GMT
Hello to all:
As a Slackware user with an HP Deskjet 722C printer, I discovered the
PPA files from httptech.com, which I placed into a script file for
printing.
I'd now like help in configuring an /etc/printcap entry for full printer
control utilizing the two-line script.
I've tried different variations, and may come up with an answer by the
time a posted response is received, but I'd still like to see what
people can offer.
Thanks.
Scott
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to lock the keyboard
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 08:44:02 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I'd like to know how to lock the keyboard under Linux so that no one
> can use the local keyboard to access my machine. Can you give me a hint?
there is a console locking program called "lockvc", but unfortunately it
requires svgalib to be installed and configured.
--
Tim Kelley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: David Ilsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MIDI problem: set up /dev/music
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 17:01:52 +0200
Hello,
it seems that I need a file /dev/music or /dev/sequencer2 to run
MIDI-sequencing software such as JAZZ++. On my system none of these
files exists.
/dev/midi00 and /dev/sequencer exist and work, I can play midifiles on
my external MIDI-Keyboard, but I don't know how to set up /dev/music.
Can anyone help me? Thanks!
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From: "G.J. Rowe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.samba,linux.redhat.install,comp.protocols.smb,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: setting invalid
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:12:26 -0500
I must have something wrong with my settings because every time someone
uses FTP or (I think) any other method to connect to the server it
says....
smb_trans2_request: result=-32, setting invalid
smb_retry: new pid=332, generation=39
The next time the "generation" will increase by one thus making it...
smb_trans2_request: result=-32, setting invalid
smb_retry: new pid=332, generation=40
Anyway, I have no idea what any of that means nor how to fix it. At
this point I am yelling...
"Someone Please HELP!!!!"
If you are able to help I would greatly appreciate it.
Glenn
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From: "G.J. Rowe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.samba,linux.redhat.install,comp.protocols.smb,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re:
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:15:50 -0500
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From: Frederic L. W. Meunier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux-2.3.51 -> linux-2.3.99pre1
Date: 26 Mar 2000 15:20:05 GMT
And what about 2.2.15? They'll have 2 "stable" series being
maintained? We may have 2.3.200...
--
Fr�d�ric L. W. Meunier [Tel: +55-21-620-7173 - Niter�i-RJ Brasil]
fredlwm@{olympiquedemarseille.org,{marseille.}nitnet.com.br}
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From: Hermit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: More resolution probs
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:23:08 GMT
Did you reboot?
Hermit
>Firstly, sincere thanks to everyone that posted/mailed in response to my
>earlier cry for help entitled "New to Linux: Help!".
>
>One problem I'm having is that everything on the desktop is HUGE. The
>consensus was that this was because in my XF86Config file, the
>resolution was set to 640x480, whereas what I need is 800x600. I ran
>XF86Configurator - no success here. So, I switched the modes around in
>XF86Config by hand, with "800x600" first in line. Still no improvement.
>What on earth is wrong?! (I can't use Ctrl-Alt-Minus/Plus because I
>don't have a numeric keypad).
>
>The machine is a Toshiba Satellite 310CDT (which the Linux Laptop page
>at utexas.edu doesn't mention) with 800x600 LCD panel, and (I think) a
>pretty standard SVGA card (which was autodetected with no difficulty).
>If anyone has succeeded with Linux (I'm using RH6.1) on this machine I'd
>love to hear from you. (I'm also having trouble with the keyboard
>settings, though this can wait)
>
>Cheers, Simon
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From: Henrik Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: de.comp.os.unix.linux.hardware,ger.ct.linux
Subject: Q: HP Deskjet 930
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 17:25:15 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
hat schon jemand Erfahrungen mit dem HP Deskjet 930 gemacht? Wird wohl
unterst�tzt mit dem dj550 Treiber, aber gut und in Farbe?
W�rde mit den kaufen wollen wenn ich keine Horrorgeschichten h�re (lese) ...
DANKE schon mal!
--
Henrik Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://www.HenrikBecker.de
support FREE SOFTWARE www.KDE.org www.WINDOWMAKER.org www.LINUX.org
dt. J-Pilot Handbuch fertig: http://www.henrikbecker.de/jpilot
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From: Ian Mortimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: strings
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:34:47 +0000
Hi all,
Is there any way that I can log strings of characters (coming from a PIC
attached to my serial port) to a file ?
The PIC is sending plain ascii chars at 9600 bps, 8N1.
Any ideas ?
Rgds,
Ian.
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From: "Simon H." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: More resolution probs
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:41:49 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yep - I rebooted and no success.
Hermit wrote:
> Did you reboot?
>
> Hermit
>
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From: "Simon H." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: More resolution probs
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:42:38 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yep - I rebooted with no improvement
Hermit wrote:
> Did you reboot?
>
> Hermit
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: debian upgrade
Date: 26 Mar 2000 10:45:51 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Kelley wrote:
> If I have slink, and I want potato, is it corrct that all I need to do is
> apt-get distribution-upgrade?
>
> Or will this give me the distro in the unstable tree (woody), which I don't
> want?
It depends on what you put in /etc/apt/sources.list. You want
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian frozen main contrib non-free
deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US \
frozen non-US/main non-US/contrib non-US/non-free
# line broken only for usenet posting!
Recent word says that you must run
$ apt-get update apt
before updating the rest of the distribution.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: newbie problem
Date: 26 Mar 2000 10:50:19 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <8bkkfi$8b8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, F Fred Nastos wrote:
>Andreas Kahari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> PATH=.:$PATH # or PATH=$PATH:. if you want it last.
> Yes. Thank you. I now remember reading somewhere about that
> distinction. It's for security reasons that it's not setup
> with that argument initially, right?
Yes, if "." is not in PATH, then you will never inadvertently execute a
program just because your current working directory happens to be somewhere
unusual.
You should put "." last, if you have it in PATH at all. Then you will
never inadvertently execute a program (unless you misspell it ...) just
because your cwd happens to be somewhere unusual. If "." is not last, then
the behavior of scripts (and possibly other programs) may seem erratic,
depending on the cwd.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Len Philpot)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:13:44 GMT
>>Almost sounds like he is on the M$ payroll or their band wagon one.
>>After win95 who needs M$?
And the scary part is that Win98 is even worse...
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- Len Philpot -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal)
---------------> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work)
----- ><> -----> http://www.centuryinter.net/lphilpot/ (web)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: strings
Date: 26 Mar 2000 16:18:05 GMT
Ian Mortimer wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Is there any way that I can log strings of characters (coming from a PIC
> attached to my serial port) to a file ?
>
> The PIC is sending plain ascii chars at 9600 bps, 8N1.
>
> Any ideas ?
Make sure the device is readable by your uid, then I would try something
like:
tail -f /dev/ttyS2 >>/home/userid/log/logilename.log
Where /dev/ttyS2 is your serial port.
I have not done this but in theory it should work. Bes of luck...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Upgrading SuSE v6.0 to v6.3?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:28:46 GMT
I know that upgrading Linux distros is generally not the better way to go,
but I've got 100s of hours into configuring this version to do exactly what
I want, so I'm not sure I want to scrap it.
Does anybody have any experience in upgrading SuSE Linux v6.0 to SuSE Linux
v6.3? I've got both versions sitting here, and was wondering if the upgrade
procedure would be less painful than that from v5.2 to v6.0 (ISTR my Linux
partition gaining 500 megs of who-knows-what, and system performance going
straight down the tubes..).
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4
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From: "William L. Hartzell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: LICQ file receive using InJoy FireWall for OS/2 Warp 4
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:43:42 GMT
Steward:
The Linux wiseguy is right. Drop the Linux newsgroup. It is a firewall
issue that you can configure, not compile an answer. Ask in the
Comp.os.os2.networking.misc newsgroup.
Bill
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: pppd non-root access
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:05:32 GMT
Gary Krupa writes:
> If you'd like a copy(ies) of the files I've just referred to, please
> write to me and I'll be happy to send them.
Or you could just install Debian, where a scheme similar to you've
described (it's what the pppd authors sugest) is standard and a menu driven
tool (pppconfig) is provided for creating the files. Set the permissions
and ownerships correctly and you can arrange for only the members of a
particular group to be able to run ppp. Debian does this.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Methods to copy partitions for back up purposes
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:51:30 -0500
I would like to know how to copy partitions and keep some
in reserve for backups.
Also what is the procedure to restore / or switch to one of
the backed up partitions if the origional one is damaged.
Example: I accidentally wiped out my /boot partition. If I
had a backup of it how could I get the system to recognize the
backup?
Mike
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From: "Dave Borchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Trouble connecting to my ISP with a modem
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:10:19 -0600
I am having trouble connecting to my ISP with a modem. I can CONNECT with
either a US Robotics Voice Fax External Modem or a US Robotics V- Everything
Courier External Modem. After the connection is established, my username and
password is sent (following the ISP request for a username and password. The
connection then shows:
Entering PPP Mode
IP address is xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx <--- one of the ISP addresses is displayed
MTU is 1524.
The connection then times out after about 30 seconds.
Is there something else that requres configuration besides the primary and
secondary DNS and accepting an ISP assigned IP address?
I am able to easily configure Win 95 or Win 98 to connect to the ISP, but
under (Caldera 2.3) Linux, it appears that there is something missing.
Does anyone have an idea what other configuration is necessary?
Dave Borchard
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