Linux-Misc Digest #955, Volume #18 Mon, 8 Feb 99 18:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Jack Troughton)
Re: Multi IP addresses on one NIC question (Matt Kressel)
Re: Setting up Pine [loses ppp while fetching newsgroup list < / > ]
(joseph_a_philbrook__iii)
Re: PPP conection problem (Brandon Warren)
Re: Linux 2.2.0 and serial ports (Frank Boehme)
Re: How to make it run faster? (Paul Taylor)
Re: why are linux x apps so slow? (Mark Brown)
Re: APSfilter and printer offline.. (Gernot Fink)
Re: KDE RPMs for Red Hat 5.2 ??? (Erik Olson)
Dialing out help (Chuck Lidderdale)
Re: Setting up Pine [loses ppp while fetching newsgroup list < / > ]
(joseph_a_philbrook__iii)
Re: Windowmaker upgrade blew away my root background (Phil Adamson)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jack Troughton)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 21:05:50 GMT
On Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:44:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kinkster) wrote:
�On Mon, 08 Feb 1999 08:17:23 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
�(Jack Troughton) wrote:
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�>On Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:04:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kinkster) wrote:
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�>�On 07 Feb 1999 00:29:27 -0800, Michael Powe
�>�<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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�>�>>>>>> "Kinkster" == Kinkster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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�>�> Kinkster> On Fri, 05 Feb 1999 14:01:20 -0600, "Keith G. Murphy"
�>�> Kinkster> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
�>�>
�>�> >>> If you don't like it just don't read it.
�>�>
�>�> >> It's not got a thing to do with whether I liked it. Mostly
�>�> >> agreed with it, in fact. It's wasted bandwidth on the 'Net to
�>�> >> quote it like that. Not to mention that I've had to download
�>�> >> the whole thing again just to read that you liked it.
�>�> >> Seriously, I'm not trying to be a butt, I'm trying to turn you
�>�> >> on to a little Usenet etiquette.
�>�>
�>�> Kinkster> You may shove it up your ass if you don't like it.
�>�>
�>�>Geez, what a jerk. Get your head out of that stinky dark place. Guy
�>�>tries to be nice to you and this is your payback. Let me guess
�>�>... you're a 15 y/o mama's boy with not enough homework to keep you
�>�>out of newsgroups. Too bad.
�>�
�>�You can also shove it up your ass :)
�>�
�>�
�>�>
�>�>Damned clueless AOL'ers. (I couldn't resist. ;-)
�>�
�>�That's OK , it just shows how IGNORANT you are. If you'll check the
�>�headers (like mom's little boy should have done before making
�>�comments) you'll see that I'm using an ISP with just a AOL name typed
�>�in my newsreader. Duhhhhhhh, talk about "clueless."
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�>So far, I have seen you "me too" once, and insult three times.
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�It's 4 times now ;)
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�>You may use a local ISP in Flint, but your behaviour marks you as the
�>classic AOL type. Your use of the address in your newsreader is
�>indeed appropriate.
�>
�>You obviously suffer from a rectocranial inversion, and have forgotten
�>how to use toilet paper on the logorrheac discharge flowing out of
�>your mouth.
�
�Dearest Jack,
�If you don't like it, you may also shove it up your ass !!
�
�Cheers !!
Your imagination knows no bounds.
Jack Troughton ICQ:7494149
http://207.96.209.68:8000/
jack.troughton at videotron.ca
jaft at adan.kingston.net
Montr�al PQ Canada
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
From: Matt Kressel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Multi IP addresses on one NIC question
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:43:05 GMT
Stormie Nelson wrote:
>
> Howdy from Texas -
>
> I am trying to set up a masquerading firewall. I have done this before
> with no real problems, but I am doing something a little weird at a
> customer's request. It has a legal address assigned by the ISP, and
> they want me to assign a private address for ipmasq to the same NIC, so
> the same physical interface is configured for the public and the private
> network.
>
> In rc.inet1 I am doing
>
> /sbin/ifconfig eth0 201.20.99.2 broadcast 201.20.99.255 netmask
> 255.255.255.0
> /sbin/ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.200.1 broadcast 192.168.200.255 netmask
> 255.255.255.0
> /sbin/route add default gw 201.20.99.1 netmask 0.0.0.0 metric 1
> /sbin/route add -net 192.168.200.0 gw 192.168.200.1
>
> In a file I created called rc.masq I am doing
>
> /sbin/modprobe /lib/modules/2.0.36/ipv4/ip_masq_cuseeme.o
> /sbin/modprobe /lib/modules/2.0.36/ipv4/ip_masq_ftp.o
> /sbin/modprobe /lib/modules/2.0.36/ipv4/ip_masq_irc.o
> /sbin/modprobe /lib/modules/2.0.36/ipv4/ip_masq_quake.o
> /sbin/modprobe /lib/modules/2.0.36/ipv4/ip_masq_raudio.o
> /sbin/modprobe /lib/modules/2.0.36/ipv4/ip_masq_vdolive.o
> /sbin/ipfwadm -F -p accept
> /sbin/ipfwadm -F -f
> /sbin/ipfwadm -I -f
> /sbin/ipfwadm -O -f
> /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.200.0/24 -D 0.0.0.0/0
>
> I know, I have not yet locked down the firewalling portion, I just want
> to get connectivity squared away before I start shutting services down.
>
> I am getting kind of weird results, like _intermittent_ ability to get
> out to the Internet from within the private network, especially from
> folks dialing in to the >cringe< WinNT RAS server.
>
> I am running Slackware 3.6, kernel 2.0.36, and an Intel Ether Express
> Pro 100b. Is this just not a good thing to do, running two logical
> networks on one physical interface? I am starting to believe it is not,
> but I was just looking for anyone who had any input.
>
This is not a good idea since all packets will be put on the wires even
if you have the firewall in place! Since they share the same interface,
for both networks, then both networks share the same data as well, not
good! Go spend $50 for another card and do it the right way: two cards,
two physical networks. All packets MUST go through the box this way and
you have control over what you want to go through.
-Matt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (joseph_a_philbrook__iii)
Subject: Re: Setting up Pine [loses ppp while fetching newsgroup list < / > ]
Date: 8 Feb 1999 17:38:36 GMT
>> Someone else mentioned Gnus' agent mode (Although I run Innd so I
>> haven't tried this myself). This is certainly worth looking at and I
>> believe behaves like the Windows' Agent so you mark headers for later
>> downloading if they look interesting. Then you can read/reply offline
>> at your leasure and upload your replies later. I'd be surprised if it
>> didn't have a key combo for marking whole threads at once.
Yeah, and IF <a big if> it doesn't make me run a gui to use it I'll give it
a try... {I hates any form of point and click more than all the hard to
find linux docs multplied by all the designed for experts docs I can find
raized to the power of how many docs are out dated...<g> }
Do you happen to know the filename I should be looking for in case it's on
one of my CD's or what else I have to install to run it <oh please don't
let it require x...>
>> slrn's slrnpull is slightly different (someone correct me if I'm wrong
>> since I've never used this myself!) and will download everything in
>> selected newsgroups for later reading/replying offline.
Yup, but thats what the docs said... But I was gonna give it a try anyway
only I ran into a slight snag... I found slrn slrnpull AND the reqired SLANG
library on the archive cd. it was in rpm format so since I'm using slackware
I scratched my head till I found rpm2targz and installpkg which appears to
have installed all three... slrn is in my /etc/bin and ls -l says it's
executable for All users... But any attempt to call it. (even with the -help
argument) is yeilding a bash error message of no such file or directory...)
<sigh>
>> Well if all you want to do is read through news groups online saving
>> whole threads for later then almost anything will do this. I have trn
>> on my machine (assuming it's the same one you're talking about) and
>> it's GPL AFAIK.
Well yes and no... It's not all I want, but if I can do the actual reading
of the messages from the saved file, such as with the trn I have at work,
then it will do till I get "good" enough to beat linux into submision and
make it "configred" my way <g> I'd like to be able to control most every
thing from a user shell script with echo statements for what the gui's use
their meaningless pictures <icons> for and read statatements for clicking
on said icons, and yet have access to every thing they put in the gui
without needing the gui to be the USER interface... But untill then
I'll settle for almost any working text based usenet access that doesn't
make me become an expert just to get it running...
I'll have to look for trn on the archive disks... maybe it is there.
>> Sure. I don't know off hand myself since I don't run
>> slackware. Anything you have installed should be in your path so try
>> typing trn and see if anything appears :-) If not have a look on
>> freshmeat or just do a web search for trn or one of the news readers
>> I've mentioned that you want to try out.
Yeah that's what I thought, but I did install slrn it IS in my path but
even if I try to call it as root, bash say no such file or directory...
ARRRGHGHGH. well I'll just have to keep on pluging and hope I get it
working sometime before armageddon don'tch know... <g>
-^- -^-
<?> <?> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brandon Warren)
Subject: Re: PPP conection problem
Date: 8 Feb 1999 20:55:24 GMT
I have just set my PPP connection, so I'm no expert, but:
I think the "trash" is the ppp connection. Try removing
the "expected granted, send ppp" part from your login script.
Brandon
Eduardo Mendes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Hi ... I�m with problems to connect with my provider using Linux and
>kppp program.
>In my script login i wrote :
>expect login:
>send my ID
>expect Password:
>send my password
>expect granted
>send ppp
>(I saw that in a example of login script)
>ok ... then I begin the connection, after i receive the Password, i send
>mine and a message says " starting ppp session" and lots of trash became
>to appear ... (I stay waiting granted, but i don�t know if that�s the
>right thing to do !!!!) after some time ...
>the connection falls and a message appears .... NO CARRIER !!!!
>What is the problem ? Is the script login wrong ? Or what should i do
>when the trash starts to appear ?
>Please, i would like your help ...
>Greatfull...
>Eduardo.
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From: Frank Boehme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux 2.2.0 and serial ports
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 17:31:49 +0000
Robert Tuck wrote:
> Hmm, I've changed the symlink, but I'm still stuck. Is this a problem
> with the application code - is the 2.2.0 kernel backwardly compatible
> with all apps that use the serial port? It works in one direction at any
> rate, because my serial mouse still works.
I am not sure, if this is related to your question, but generally
it is _very_ important to consider that quite a number of serial devices
have been changed somewhere during the 2.1.x phase. In particular, the
character devices for virtual masters and slaves have new major numbers.
All this is documented in linux/Documtation/devices.(txt|tex). Also
/dev/console is a different device now. Most of the software (such as
rxvt) still works, but it takes some time to start up.
This is because it will finally find a working device after it has
failed to open a huge number of wrong ones.
One can check this by
strace -t -o tracefile rxvt
less tracefile
This will tell you were time gets wasted at start up. If rxvt tries to open
obsolete devices, one should delete and create them anew according to
devices.txt.
Btw, does anybody now where to find a good shell script which safely
updates /dev/* ? Stuff like this usually belongs to distributions
(mine is quite old - Suse 4.4, but as good as nothing from the original
CD's is still on the machine).
> I think (if I remember rightly) that my X Server is set up to use
> /dev/mouse, which is a link to cua0. No problems there.
Hmmm, but /dev/cua is definitely depreciated now.
just my two cents...
Frank
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Dr Frank Boehme | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
National University of Ireland, Cork | phone: +353-21-903163
Dept of Computer Science | fax: +353-21-903113
Cork, Ireland | WWW: http://yeats.ucc.ie/~fboehme/
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From: Paul Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: How to make it run faster?
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 11:36:57 +1100
"Mac Q. Flores" wrote:
[snip]
> i tried to do the append="mem=96M" in my lilo.conf then run /sbin/lilo and
> reboot. after that, linux recognized my 96 Mb RAM as reflected in another
> free -m command from xterm. apps were loading superfast!!! i was impressed
> . . . but then . . . .
>
> BIG PROBLEM!!!! ---------------- my system hangs up in the middle of
> running apps . . .
If your BIOS does ROM shadowing (and most do these days), you may not have
the full 96M to play with. See what your BIOS says is available during
the memory check and use that value instead of 96M; if it says 96M, try
using append="mem=95M" instead.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Paul Taylor Veni, vidi, tici -
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I came, I saw, I ticked.
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From: Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: why are linux x apps so slow?
Date: 08 Feb 1999 12:04:52 +0000
Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Mark Brown wrote:
> > The amount of swap won't affect speed unless you run out entirely, and
> > in any case the 2xRAM formula is a rule of thumb, not a rule.
> True, but it's a good rule of thumb...
As the amount of real RAM grows, I find it becomes less and less
worthwhile.
> > really depends on how much swap you need - I normally use at most
> > 10Mb swap on my system.
> You running on only 5MB of RAM, eh? :-)
48 on this box.
> Iv'e watched my swap space usage at various times. Right now it is
> using only 324Kb.
> At times I've seen it up to 80MB!!! If on those occassions I had only
> 10MB my system would have slowed down due to the heavy disk thrashing
> that would have been necessary.
It does depend on what you do. For the sort of stuff I do, 16MB is
generally fine, and 32MB would be pretty comfortable. Most of what I
do is text manipulation of one form or another, though - no space hogs
like graphics.
Another way of looking at it on a new machine is that hard disks are
cheap and you may as well go for the 128MB maximum swap partition size
(although I believe kernel 2.2 removes or increases this limit). I
just don't tend to own new machines.
> > Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness)
> Having any success?
Some. I'm a bit grumpy about the fact that I'm posting this instead
of doing what I'm supposed to be doing right now, but it can't be
helped. :-)
--
Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness)
http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/
EUFS http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gernot Fink)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking,linux.misc
Subject: Re: APSfilter and printer offline..
Date: 8 Feb 1999 18:09:40 GMT
>
> is /dev/lp a block devicefile or a link to it ???
>
sorry block is wrong
char is right
--
MFG G.Fink
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From: Erik Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE RPMs for Red Hat 5.2 ???
Date: 08 Feb 1999 18:05:40 GMT
Steve D. Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It deeply troubled me to see in one of these reply posts the notion
> that RedHat will be promoting Gnome over KDE. I've seen and used both...
> and while I understand that Gnome is not as far along in the development
> process as KDE, what I've seen gives me the impression that it will NEVER
> get to a point that I would like the product!
Now that the Qt license issue is fixed, the big question is what is going
to be on the Red Hat 6.0 release which I heard is due in March?
If Red Hat puts KDE and Qt on its CD along with Gnome, then hats off to
the folks at Red Hat. They will prove to world that they truely have
the end users best interests at heart. If KDE and Qt are missing then
the Linux doomsayers have been right and its time to switch to another
distribution! We will have to wait and see.
My guess is we'll see KDE and Qt on the RH distro simply because it makes
good business sense to do so, and Red Hat is after all in the business to
make money.
erik olson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Chuck Lidderdale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Dialing out help
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 18:14:50 GMT
I've looked through the manuals and can't find what I'm looking for -
help please.
I'm using RH 5.2 as a local server - what I want to do is use it as a
gateway to the
Internet, setup as a "on-demand" dealt. That is when when a
workstation/client
pops up their browser [Netscape] that the server will fire up the modem
on the
server, connect to our ISP and maintain that connection as long as
needed.
Any suggestions - a script using DIP?, Minicom?, another something?
Thanks,
Chuck
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (joseph_a_philbrook__iii)
Subject: Re: Setting up Pine [loses ppp while fetching newsgroup list < / > ]
Date: 8 Feb 1999 17:32:31 GMT
>> Gnus includes a feature called `agent' that will allow you to d/l news
>> and read it offline. I don't use it so I don't really know how it
>> works; but you may want to check into it. Gnus rules for reading
>> news, AFAIAC. Gnus has a great scoring system which allows you to
>> quickly and easily highlight or trash articles according to just about
>> any criterion you can think of. It has lots of other useful features;
>> my favorites are the ability to reformat articles with too-long line
>> lengths (you know, the kind that have one word on every other line)
>> and to selectively removed quoting from articles that have 90 lines of
>> quoting and 10 lines of response.
Thanks for the info... I guess I should know more about the Gnus... But
I'm hung up on a few basic communication issues (of which getting <non-X>
usenet access working at user level is next to last <followed only by
getting the version of lynx that supports https so I can use it to check my
checking ballances> preventing me from spending my energy from studiously
learning to understand this beast that I'm confident I will oneday be able
to get configured to my likeing...) But at the moment I'm basicly Gnus
ignorant... (does it require x???) And is it likely that this Gnus agent is
somewhere on my slakware 3.5 distribution disk set... (I got the cheepbytes
set with the archive disks...) and or do you know the url I could download
it from? <g>
>> It even can be set up to do mail, if for some reason you're crazy
>> about the idea of doing both mail and news in the same prog.
Well sort of... I like to use vim as my editor for composing both, And
I like to have any pre edited source files I might want to include with
a ":r filename" command to be in the directory from which the editor was
invoked so as to avoid needing full pathnames and making ":!ls" have the
same result whether I'm composing an E-mail message or a usenet artical.
I almost LIKE pines interface, but if I can figure out how to get mailx
to function exacly like the mailx version EMS 1.2/System V release 4.2
I use at work I'd happily use it for Email and some other text based program
for usenet.... But if I find this Gnus agent suitable for usenet I'll try
it's mail feature too...
In any case, thanks for the info...
--- ___
<O> <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
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From: Phil Adamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Windowmaker upgrade blew away my root background
Date: 8 Feb 1999 22:35:45 GMT
In comp.os.linux.setup Brad Corsello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: 2) How in the hell do you get support for a hippie commune product like this?
: (I know the corporate software isn't much better in the support department, so
: don't flame. I'm just a little cheezed off.)
Two choices:
1. Ask nicely, posting exact error messages etc., and preferably evidence
that you've put some thought into it but can't solve the problem.
2. Spend some hard-earned beer tokens on a support contract with one of
the many people who offer commercial linux support
Hippie commune or market capitalist, you choose...
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