Linux-Misc Digest #955, Volume #26 Sun, 28 Jan 01 16:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: KPPP Problems (Steve Ackman)
Re: what news reader do you use? (Mark Bratcher)
Re: turbo pascal for linux (Mark Bratcher)
Re: Large .jpg files (Vilmos Soti)
Re: can't use mkbootdisk ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
inital console (Joseph Holland King)
How to access windows partitions from linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: iptables & 2.4.0 (Christian Hostelet)
Re: <time.h> clock() function in gcc 2.91.66 on Linux (Jonathan Thornburg)
Re: How to access windows partitions from linux? ("Arthur H. Gold")
Re: Linux not free anymore? (Steve Ackman)
Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors?? (Steve Ackman)
how to remove lilo from MBA? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: 3D home modeller/game? ("Gerard H. Pille")
Re: How to access windows partitions from linux? ("dom")
Re: Utility for finding absolute path of file? ("Gerard H. Pille")
Re: iptables & 2.4.0 (Christian Hostelet)
2.4 Kernel and IPSEC ("Keith Sirois")
Re: turbo pascal for linux (John-Paul Stewart)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Ackman)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: KPPP Problems
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:29:09 -0500
On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:38:48 +0200, Meron Lavie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am a Linux/RH7 newbire, who is experiencing 2 problems with PPP:
>
>I can use the _Redhat Linux_ dialup tool within KDE, with no problem
>whatsoever, however with KPPP:
>
>1) I can successfully dialup when I'm root, but from without root I'm always
>asked for the root password. Why shouldn't everyone be allowed to use the
>modem?
Because Linux is a multi-user OS. You don't want
Joe disconnecting the modem when Cindy is in the middle
of downloading a file. Cindy gets very testy about
such things. If you're root, you don't want to see
Cindy when she gets testy.
--
Steve Ackman
http://twovoyagers.com
Registered Linux User #79430
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From: Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: what news reader do you use?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:01:29 GMT
Lee Webb wrote:
>
> I've used various ones: Netscape, slrn, Pan, KNode, Pine.
>
> I just don't like the GUI ones:
>
> Netscape: bloated, prone to crashes.
I hear a few people say this, but I've used Netscape newsreader
(Collabora, or whatever they call it) since version 4.0 and never had it
crash. I've used it lots on Linux and on Windows (at work of course,
never Windows at home :-)). I have indeed seen Netscape crash, but
usually just the browser because of some web site that was designed with
Visual J++ or something.
Just my own experience... :-)
That being said, I've been curious about trying slrn since I've heard
such good things about it.
--
Mark Bratcher
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
=========================================================
Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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From: Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: turbo pascal for linux
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:06:13 GMT
Dirk Groeneveld wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> For various reasons, I had to write a program in Turbo Pascal 7.0.
> I want this program to run on linux. Is there a way?
> I didn't use any of the units Turbo Pascal comes with, but I did use
> objects.
>
> Dirk
Dirk,
You can try www.freepascal.org. They have a compiler for various
platforms, including Linux.
It's been around awhile and is probably a very reliable compiler. I
tried it a little bit, but don't have enough experience with it to give
you any more endorsement than that.
HTH
--
Mark Bratcher
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
=========================================================
Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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Subject: Re: Large .jpg files
From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:24:31 GMT
Joshua Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Whenever certain programs save as .jpg the files is very large and will
> not open, as if it's not really a .jpg file. Saving as .jpeg works just
> fine, but not as .jpg. GIMP will save correctly, but apps such as the
> Gnome screen shooter applet won't and neither will the command "import
> -w picture.jpg" This is on Mandrake 7.2. I've never had this problem
> on any other distribution. Can somone provide any info? Thanks
> Josh.
Hey,
Try to figure out what kind of file is that .jpg file. Check out the
man page for the 'file' command.
Vilmos
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: can't use mkbootdisk
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:16:53 GMT
Thanks for the replies. I reinstalled linux with EVERYTHING and now all
the stuff that was missing is there. Must have been a bogus install.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
David Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I am new to linux. I have redhat v7. I am trying to make a
bootable
> > floppy. I read about mkbootdisk so I tried. The thing is, my
system
> > can't find it. I tried to install the rpm from the CD but it says
> > it's
> > already on my system so it won't install it. I can't use it.
HELP!!
>
> /sbin/mkbootdisk
>
> --
> David Hart
>
>
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From: Joseph Holland King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: inital console
Date: 28 Jan 2001 18:40:28 GMT
does anyone know what would cause an error message upon start up of:
unable to open inital console
i am running debian woody
ls -l gives
crw-r--r-- 1 root root 5, 1 jul 5 2000 console
crw-r--r-- 1 root root 4, 0 jul 5 2000 tty0
crw-r--r-- 1 root root 4, 1 jan 28 01:32 tty1
lilo.config is setup correctly
i am running kernel 2.4.0
um i think that is it.
--
Joseph Holland King | "God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our
| conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His
| megaphone to rouse a deaf world." C. S. Lewis
--
---
Joseph Holland King | "God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our
| conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His
| megaphone to rouse a deaf world." C. S. Lewis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How to access windows partitions from linux?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:51:59 GMT
I am a linux newbie. <-- screaming for help!
I installed linux (redhat 7) with everything on a system that dual boots
to windows (can't give it up just yet.) I need to pull data off of the
windows partition from linux but haven't a clue on how this is done.
Can anyone help with this or point me to a good instructional page?
Thanks.
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: Christian Hostelet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: iptables & 2.4.0
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:56:06 +0100
Christopher C. Stump a gentiment �crit:
> Greetings,
>
> I've run into a problem with firewalling under the 2.4.0 kernel on Red
> Hat 6.2 .
>
> My build of the kernel went smoothly. I compiled in the option for
> NetFilter so that I could use iptables. Under the NetFilter
> configuration options, I selected everything as modules except ipchains
>
> and ipfwdm(?) support. After kernel installation I downloaded the
> iptables package and installed it.
>
> From what I understand, that is all I need to do. However, when I try
> to test iptables with a rule specified towards the loopback device
> (iptables -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1 -p icmp -j DROP...test as seen in the
> iptables HOWTO), I get the following error message:
>
> "iptables v1.2: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who?
> (do you need to insmod?)Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be
> upgraded."
>
> Now, I have checked and double checked my kernel configuration to make
> sure it is correct--I've recompliled the kernel at least twice since
> encountering this problem. And like I said, all the proper options for
> NetFilter support seem to be in place. The 'support for NetFilter'
> option under "networking" in xconfig is set to 'Y' and all NetFilter
> config options (expcept the 2 specified above) were selected as
> modules. Of course, all modules were built and installed after 'make
> bzImage' at kernel compilation.
>
> One interesting thing to note is that when I run the 'lsmod' command, I
> see no modules loaded that seem to relate to packet filtering. Are
> there modules that I need to manually install in order to get iptables
> to work? If so, what are they? The error message seems to indicate that
> some modules need to be loaded, but I thought the modules made for the
> kernel were "loaded on demand" and that I didn't need to do anything.
>
> I've searched newsgroups, read the iptables HOWTO, etc. but I've had no
> luck figuring this problem out. I would very much appreciate any advice
>
> on this issue.
>
> Thanks in advance to all who reply
>
>
> --
> Christopher C. Stump
> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Homepage: http://www.thestump.net
> Registered with the Linux counter, ID#183377
>
> "Computers are like air conditioners...Once you open
> Windows, they stop working correctly" -Unknown Linux User
>
>
Hello,
I got the same problem on Mandrake 7.2 when I installed 2.4.0 and
iptables. I modified the script /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall.inet_sharing (is it
the same for RH ?) and put a /sbin/modprobe ip_tables. Then the other
modules (ip_conntrack, ...) should be loaded on demand.
Hope this will help
Christian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan Thornburg)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c++.moderated
Subject: Re: <time.h> clock() function in gcc 2.91.66 on Linux
Date: 28 Jan 2001 14:53:17 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Rene Girard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am trying to use
>the "clock()" function of the <time.h> header to time the execution of a
>set of C++ statements with
>gcc 2.91.66.
According to the gcc web pages
http://gcc.gnu.org/releases.html#timeline
2.91.66 was released on 15 March 1999, almost 2 years ago. That's
a long time in the software world, and indeed gcc has had 3 major
releases -- including a lot of bugs fixed and other improvements --
since then (and is planning another release next week). You might
want to upgrade to a current version (current is 2.95.2; 2.95.3 is
expected next week-ish).
--
-- Jonathan Thornburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.thp.univie.ac.at/~jthorn/home.html
Universitaet Wien (Vienna, Austria) / Institut fuer Theoretische Physik
"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the
powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral."
-- quote by Freire / poster by Oxfam
[ Send an empty e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for info ]
[ about comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: do this! ]
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:45:13 -0600
From: "Arthur H. Gold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to access windows partitions from linux?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I am a linux newbie. <-- screaming for help!
>
> I installed linux (redhat 7) with everything on a system that dual boots
> to windows (can't give it up just yet.) I need to pull data off of the
> windows partition from linux but haven't a clue on how this is done.
>
> Can anyone help with this or point me to a good instructional page?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
Mount the partition and copy from it.
See `man mount' for details.
HTH,
--ag
--
Artie Gold, Austin, TX (finger the cs.utexas.edu account
for more info)
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
A: Yes I would. But not enough to put it out.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Ackman)
Subject: Re: Linux not free anymore?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:10:59 -0500
On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:09:30 +1300, Steve Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Steve Ackman wrote:
>>
>> All the founding fathers were Libertarians, yet they
>> managed to devise a Constitution with courts, import duties
>> and excise taxes.
>
>I doubt they were "libertarians" in the modern, American, sense of this
>term.
The modern definition of a philosophical libertarian,
as opposed to a party Libertarian, is one who believes
that government has a legitimate role in only three
areas: Law Enforcement, Judicial, and Defense of the
Borders.
People like Patrick Henry probably thought that was
even a bit much for the Federal Gov't since the States
could handle the first two for themselves.
On the other end, you had people like Samuel Adams
who, as governor of Mass., outlawed theatre.
Most were much closer to Henry than to Adams, however.
>> Gee... Thomas Jefferson never went to public school.
>> I wonder how he ever managed to learn anything without it.
>
>Most people in Jefferson's
>day couldn't even read. That came later through state-funded primary
>education.
Wrong.
> Jefferson owned slaves.
... and taught them trades so they'd be ready to live
productive lives once they were free.
>To the extent that there is any proof at all it lies in the historical
>record. The historical record shows that when unregulated activity
>reaches a certain scale it exhausts the resuorces required to conduct it
>and often destroys them completely.
Only governments are capable of unregulated activity.
>"Regulation" is actually oversight (the big picture) which stores
>learned information in an institutional structure in order to prevent
>the lessons of the past being forgotten. This oversight is necessary as
>none of us live forever...yet our institutions need to have "memories"
>in order to avoid making the same mistakes over and over.
Excessive regulation is the amnesia of what happens when
tyrannical governments overstep their bounds.
>I understand Libertarians very well. The messes they make when their
>ideas are implemented are the stuff of legend.
Like, for instance, Chernobyl and the Holocaust.
What Libertarian, or libertarian, ever managed to
screw up as badly as authoritarian governments?
>We have regulation today precisely because the lack of regulation harmed
>others. Should airlines be allowed to be regulated by their crash rate?
>If a few hundred people get killed often enough, then the "market" will
>enforce the solution by driving that airline our of business.....shame
>about all the bodies.
In Canada, air traffic control is run by private
companies. They do a much better job than the FAA
does in the States. Are those air traffic controllers
regulated? Of course they are! The difference is
that the air traffic control system in Canada is run
by people who have a vested interest in performing
efficiently. Government programs NEVER have that
kind of incentive.
>Regulation and restrictions are an institutional attempt to protect
>people from their own ignorance.
Unfortunately, you have it backwards. Regulation
and restrictions are the forcing of institutionalized
ingorance upon the individual.
Why should a woman who voluntarily feeds the poor
be required to spend money to prevent grease fires
when she never uses her stovetop?
> Regulations are the legal embodiment of
>the solutions to problems that you are I may not even know exist.
Regulations are the implementation of problems
not forseen by the regulators. Forest fires started
by the federal government when they ignore their own
regulations about when and where to burn, for instance.
>But our ignorance doesn't mean they aren't there.
Um... kind of by definition, wouldn't you say? Exactly!
Ingnorance of the negative effects of regulation doesn't
mean they aren't there.
>Good regulations make our world, stable, prosperous and safe. Bad
>regulations can be fixed when it becomes obvious the are bad.
Bad regulation NEVER goes away. Each year there are
between 45,000 and 100,000 new pages added to the Federal
Register. We still pay the communications tax that was
passed as a temporary measure to fund the Spanish American
War!
>No regulation at all is bad.
Yes, that would be anarchy. I thought we were
talking about legitimate functions of gov't vs.
tyranny.
> History does regulation for the greater good...
History does not "do" regulation. History is merely
a haphazard recording of selected facts. It's never
accurate. It's never complete.
> ..at least in open, democratic societies. I do
>not pretend to deal with dictatorship here.
There's no such thing as an open democratic society.
Greece probably came the closest, and it was largely
the shortcomings of Greek democracy which the founders
sought to address in creating the Republic they did.
In modern times, "democracy", at its very nature, declares
that the few are able to dictate to the many... and it's all
done in the name of "serving the greater good."
Paraphrasing Marx, "Whenever the road to communism is
difficult, institute democracy, for that is but a single
step away."
--
Steve Ackman
http://twovoyagers.com
Registered Linux User #79430
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Ackman)
Subject: Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors??
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:19:48 -0500
On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:38:53 GMT, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> There presently is nothing that produces even being half-way WYSIWYG HTML out
>> there - because it doesn't exist. HTML is "hypertext markup language" - and
>> that's it. There are so many different interpretations of the de-facto-W3C
>> standard, that it is nowadays virtually impossible to claim that any editor
>> was capable of producing HTML-output that would exactly work the way the
>> designer meant it to be.
>
>
>This is from another article in this thread:
>
>> The W3C is the HTML standards body. Amaya is the W3C's testbed
>> browser/editor. Any HTML output by Amaya is W3C compliant.
>> (read "any-browser" compliant if you wish)
>
>Is this statement accurate?
I'm the one who wrote it, so I'd have to opine that
it is. However, if you wish to verify that it is,
simply go to http://www.w3.org/Amaya and form your
own opinion.
>If so - great, put a usable front-end on Amaya, and you have a graphical web
>page design tool that outputs HTML
Not that I use it as an HTML authoring tool, but what's
wrong with the "front-end" it currently uses?
--
Steve Ackman
http://twovoyagers.com
Registered Linux User #79430
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: how to remove lilo from MBA?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:55:49 GMT
I have a dell latitude laptop. previously has NT and Linux per dual-boot
through Lilo. After I installed vmware for NT, I imported the linux
partition as Linux guest. It worked fine until I reboot the PC. now I
see only "Li" at prompt, can neither boot NT nor Linux.
It seems I will have to reinstall linux, or is there a simpler solution?
Since I want to use Linux as Guest OS, I will need to remove lilo from
MBA. But how to do that?
thanks a loooooooooooot for any hint. I am desperate now.
Benjamin
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From: "Gerard H. Pille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 3D home modeller/game?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:08:46 +0100
Andrew Purugganan wrote:
> Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
> --- OUT THERE??
We had to, none was found here.
--
Gerard H. Pille
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From: "dom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to access windows partitions from linux?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:12:16 -0500
I dont know about red hat, but in mandrake accessing the windows partition
is seamless, especially with automount. Simply go to /mnt/windows (or
whatever your fat32 partition in called) and you can copy files over to
your linux home directory. Use gmc (for gnome) konqueror (for kde) or any other
file manager if you dont want to use the console. XWC and FileCommander
are good choices as well for file management....
good luck!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article
<951pod$4cq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am a linux newbie. <-- screaming for help!
>
> I installed linux (redhat 7) with everything on a system that dual boots
> to windows (can't give it up just yet.) I need to pull data off of the
> windows partition from linux but haven't a clue on how this is done.
>
> Can anyone help with this or point me to a good instructional page?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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From: "Gerard H. Pille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Utility for finding absolute path of file?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:19:06 +0100
Brian Dellert wrote:
>
> Is there a utility for finding the absolute path of a file? For example:
>
> abspath somefile
>
> would output
>
> /home/brian/somefile
>
> (or whatever the absolute path is)
>
> thanks,
> brian
Has noone ever heard of "type" and "which"?
--
Gerard H. Pille
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From: Christian Hostelet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: iptables & 2.4.0
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:32:39 +0100
Christian Hostelet a gentiment �crit:
> Christopher C. Stump a gentiment �crit:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I've run into a problem with firewalling under the 2.4.0 kernel on Red
> > Hat 6.2 .
> >
> > My build of the kernel went smoothly. I compiled in the option for
> > NetFilter so that I could use iptables. Under the NetFilter
> > configuration options, I selected everything as modules except ipchains
> >
> > and ipfwdm(?) support. After kernel installation I downloaded the
> > iptables package and installed it.
> >
> > From what I understand, that is all I need to do. However, when I try
> > to test iptables with a rule specified towards the loopback device
> > (iptables -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1 -p icmp -j DROP...test as seen in the
> > iptables HOWTO), I get the following error message:
> >
> > "iptables v1.2: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who?
> > (do you need to insmod?)Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be
> > upgraded."
> >
> > Now, I have checked and double checked my kernel configuration to make
> > sure it is correct--I've recompliled the kernel at least twice since
> > encountering this problem. And like I said, all the proper options for
> > NetFilter support seem to be in place. The 'support for NetFilter'
> > option under "networking" in xconfig is set to 'Y' and all NetFilter
> > config options (expcept the 2 specified above) were selected as
> > modules. Of course, all modules were built and installed after 'make
> > bzImage' at kernel compilation.
> >
> > One interesting thing to note is that when I run the 'lsmod' command, I
> > see no modules loaded that seem to relate to packet filtering. Are
> > there modules that I need to manually install in order to get iptables
> > to work? If so, what are they? The error message seems to indicate that
> > some modules need to be loaded, but I thought the modules made for the
> > kernel were "loaded on demand" and that I didn't need to do anything.
> >
> > I've searched newsgroups, read the iptables HOWTO, etc. but I've had no
> > luck figuring this problem out. I would very much appreciate any advice
> >
> > on this issue.
> >
> > Thanks in advance to all who reply
> >
> >
> > --
> > Christopher C. Stump
> > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Homepage: http://www.thestump.net
> > Registered with the Linux counter, ID#183377
> >
> > "Computers are like air conditioners...Once you open
> > Windows, they stop working correctly" -Unknown Linux User
> >
> >
>
> Hello,
>
> I got the same problem on Mandrake 7.2 when I installed 2.4.0 and
> iptables. I modified the script /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall.inet_sharing (is it
> the same for RH ?) and put a /sbin/modprobe ip_tables. Then the other
> modules (ip_conntrack, ...) should be loaded on demand.
>
> Hope this will help
>
> Christian
>
>
Sorry the flood of messages, but I had some mail problems yesterday :-(
Christian
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Reply-To: "Keith Sirois" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Keith Sirois" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.linux,alt.linux.redhat,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: 2.4 Kernel and IPSEC
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:36:33 GMT
Anyone know if the 2.4 kernel supports IPSEC? I installed the source and
went in to configure it and didn't see any options for it. What I need to do
is connect from my Win98 machine to my work extranet and just pass through
my linux firewall. I've done this successfully w/the 2.2.18 kernel and the
VPN masquerade patch.
Thanks.
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From: John-Paul Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: turbo pascal for linux
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:42:58 GMT
Dirk Groeneveld wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> For various reasons, I had to write a program in Turbo Pascal 7.0.
> I want this program to run on linux. Is there a way?
> I didn't use any of the units Turbo Pascal comes with, but I did use
> objects.
>
> Dirk
Try 'gpc' (part of the 'gcc' suite). I've used it and Turbo
both on the same project on multiple occasions. I've never
done the "object" thing in Pascal so I don't what that'll be
like. I do know that units can be easily ported with
'gpc'. Check out the docs ('man' and 'info' and whatever
else) paying careful attention to the switches
--borland-pascal (they were the makers of Turbo) and
--object-pascal.
HTH,
J-P Stewart
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:49:07 -0500
Jim Richardson wrote:
>
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:10:20 -0500,
> Aaron R. Kulkis, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> brought forth the following words...:
>
> >Harlan Grove wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <94snje$ekf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
> >> ...
> >> >Wasnt there something about a government BY the people and FOR the
> >> >people written down somewhere?
> >> ...
> >>
> >> The US is a republic not a democracy. Kindly read the Federalist Papers
> >> for the rationale behind not trusting the populace. It has a government
> >> of laws, and the laws in the state of Florida were fairly clear, and
> >> the polling stations had signs giving instructions that voters should
> >> make sure that their ballots were punched through and to remove hanging
> >> chads. And if they double-punched, they could ask for new ballot papers.
> >>
> >> Maybe there's a good reason for literacy tests after all.
> >
> >Personally, I think that EVERYONE in America should have to apply for
> >citizenship, just like immigrants.
> >
> >How many of the "government owes me a paycheck for my mere existance"
> >ignorami would be prevented from voting until they demonstrated an
> >understanding of our history and Constitution in a Citizenship application.
> >
> >
> >Odds are, the Demoncrooks would quit pandering to the lazy welfare
> >crowd....as these idiots wouldn't EVER pass the requirements of
> >citizenship if they weren't granted them by an unfortunate accident
> >of birth.
> >
>
> I'd sure like to see high schools requiring passing the citizenship test as
> part of graduation... But make the teachers take it too.
No need...as long as the teachers are prevented from voting until they
do pass a citizenship test.
>
> --
> Jim Richardson
> Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
> WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
> Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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