Linux-Misc Digest #106, Volume #24 Mon, 10 Apr 00 21:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: 6 OS's, will lilo be sufficient? (Rod Smith)
Re: Help with bash (Michael Gray)
Automatic download ("Andreas Moroder")
Re: Printing to a Mac Printer (John Hasler)
Re: Help : Disable the BEEP. (Carl Fink)
Re: Does anybody know a gzip-compressor in hardware ? ("Jamie Webb")
Re: [Q] Decrypt ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Ermine Todd")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Harlan Grove)
Re: Two Scsi Cards, which is which? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Printer's memory usage (Matthew Leinhos)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (fungus)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Linux Talk - Open to Ideas ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Maximum File Size ("Tom Hoffmann")
Re: Profile Question ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Yet another new user (Mark Cubberley)
Re: Kernel compile bzImage error 2 (mh)
Re: Printer's memory usage (Michael Dwyer)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: 6 OS's, will lilo be sufficient?
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:15:48 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <8ct97c$ish$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Dear linux users:
> I have these OS's that I would like to use on the same pc and same
> harddrive:Redhat,w95,w2000,FreeBSD,Solaris and BeOS.
> Will lilo be sufficient to manage the booting of these operating
> systems? If so, could you brief me on how?
Win95, Win2000, and FreeBSD all require primary partitions. I don't know
offhand if Solaris does, too. If it does, the only way you'll get all
those OSs installed at once is to put Win95 and Win2K on the same
partition, and LILO can't handle that, AFAIK, although W2K's boot loader
might allow the two to coexist as a secondary boot loader -- so you'd use
LILO as the primary, with one "windows" option, and when you select that
option, you'd use W2K's boot loader to select from W2K and W95. Neither
BeOS nor Linux requires a primary partition.
You might be interested in my new book, _The Multi-Boot Configuration
Handbook_, which has lots of useful information to a multi-booter. There's
little in there on Solaris, but the machine I used for most of my testing
had two versions of Linux, FreeBSD, DR-DOS, Win98, WinNT, OS/2, and BeOS.
For more information, check my web page:
http://www.rodsbooks.com/multiboot/
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration
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From: Michael Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help with bash
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:18:09 -0400
Hi,
Try http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/bash.html. You can get the bash manual
online there. It has all the command syntax and control structures that you
should need to aid you in bash scripting.
Mike
" [EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
> Is there anyone out there who can help me or lead me to someplace to get help
> on the bash script?
>
> - Thanks
>
> --
>
> Bryan Hoyt
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.crosswinds.net/~artmusic
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From: "Andreas Moroder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Automatic download
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:41:00 +0200
Hello I am searching for the following software
I want to send a e-mail to a linux server in an other office. This e-mail
should contain
the files I want to download.
Now the software I am searching should:
receive the e-mail
compress all the files listed on this mail
send this file to the senders adress
but
the files should be sent in the middle of the night or on a specified time
when the lines are free.
The advantage compared to cleint programs that start download at a certain
time is that I can disconnect my client. I will read the files from my
mailbox the next day.
Is there such a software available ?
If not is there anyone that would like this type of software ?
Please let me know ( send me a mail )
Andreas Moroder
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Printing to a Mac Printer
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:25:48 GMT
georgewendy writes:
> A friend of mine gave me a GCC Technologies postscipt printer that was
> made for use with an Apple Mac. The model is a BLP Elite 8ppm laser
> printer. With adapters, I can connect it to my serial port, but does
> anyone know how to get it working?
Have you tried just sending it postscript?
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: Help : Disable the BEEP.
Date: 10 Apr 2000 22:21:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:38:38 +0200 Gorka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>��� Does anyone know how to disable the warning beep that often sounds
>when you use the text terminal ???.
Try "man bash" (if you're using bash) and search for "bell".
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I-Con's Science and Technology Guest of Honor in 2000 was Geoffrey
A. Landis. Any suggestions for 2001? http://www.iconsf.org/
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From: "Jamie Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.compression,de.comp.os.unix.linux.hardware,comp.lang.perl.misc
Subject: Re: Does anybody know a gzip-compressor in hardware ?
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:01:21 +0100
I don't think you will find anything like this because it isn't really
possible. Compression is just number crunching and number crunching needs a
powerful computer.
As an example, you may think that your 3D graphics card draws 3D graphics X
times faster than your CPU, but this appearance is mainly simply because the
3D card has its own dedicated processor. You effecively have dual processor
system, which has more bandwidth for the 3D graphics. (There are lots of
other optimisations, such as faster memory access, but this is the main
one).
A 'gzip card' would simply be a computer. You might as well get a dual
processor system to start with.
What you can do (these are just ideas- I don't know how effective they will
be):
- Use a dedicated system with a fast network connection to do your gzipping.
It should preferably run a non-multitasking OS. This way, all the system's
power is going into the compression and not being wasted on other things,
e.g. talking to you.
- Use a RISC processor- some of these will go at over 1Ghz, and for this
sort of work, most of the extra instructions in a CISC processor will
probably not be much use.
- Use more than one processor: I don't know if there is any gzipping code
about that supports parallel processing, but it should be possible to get
some written. Alternatively, you may be able to do several operations at
once, one per processor.
- Possibly use a 64-bit processor- these have faster data throughput, but
since compression works at the byte or even bit level, a lot of this
advantage may be lost.
- Why do you need to do so much gzipping anyway? Might it not be more
straightforward just to invest in a large hard disk, DVD-RAM, or whatever?
-- Jamie Webb
Andreas Vierengel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi,
>
> my company's business relies heavily on the gzip compression algorithm.
> I was thinking about a PCI-card, with a small driver for let's say: linux,
which
> does only gzip, but really fast !!
> Does anybody know a company or somebody who sells or can develop such a
thing ?
> However it must be x-times faster than today's top pentium !
>
> --Andy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Q] Decrypt
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:39:52 GMT
Robie Basak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> On 10 Apr 2000 11:32:16 +0200, JF Bosc said:
>>
>>I'm using SuSE Linux 6.3, and I have to decrypt a file which was encrypted
>>with the "standard" UNIX "crypt" command. However this command is not provided
>>in the SuSE distribution. Is there a replacement, or can I download the
>>command somewhere ?
> You can't decrypt a UNIX 'crypt'ed plaintext; it's one way (unless you
> have massive computing power at your disposal).
Not even if you have the key (which I assume he has)?
Not a very good cryptography that...
:)
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From: "Ermine Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:29:28 -0700
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Agreed. There are multiple ways of solving this problem. But that's the
point, that the problem is solvable.
--ET--
"Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ctgs0$7v4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.misc Ermine Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : You must really not want to solve the problem. I and I alone supported
ALL
> : the PC's on a major college campus in the late 80's/early 90's and I had
> : this problem solved. Each time the user logged on they received a
> : completely new/clean image of the system. The systems had no local
>
> This takes too long. Dowloading or remote mounting 2GB of operating
> system on each login is prohibitive even on a 100BT switched net.
>
> : harddrives, and most didn't even have floppy drives. Any student/user
could
> : connect to any system and get all their files and applications -
anywhere on
>
> I agree that it can be solved, in principle. Diskless nodes are not
> necessarily the way to go, however. You could refresh the user disk
> from a RO local system disk, for example.
>
> : campus. Though it was a bit of work to get going - it really wasn't
that
> : hard and it worked. The only systems that I had problems with BTW were
the
> : Macs that had local harddrives and despite the security software
installed,
> : were always having problems.
>
> Peter
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From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:54:58 -0700
While Red Hat (and other distributions) charge for updates
on CDs, they offer _free_ downloads of updates? What's the
url for Microsoft's free W2K update?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Two Scsi Cards, which is which?
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:16:25 GMT
As a buslogic, adaptec scsi user.
I found the easy way, moved a scsi disk to the adaptec controller
It has the boot disk for system. A little 540 meg maxtor sl model.
Holds root fine.
Since the drives are moveing i'm assuming that you have no harddisks
on the zip drives controller.
Second option is turn off the bios on the card, if the card doesn't
scan the drives the differ. card should get the boot still.
Linux will scan the bus itself when it loads the driver for the card.
Last.... Add a third isa scsi card to play russian roulette with
booting.
the isa bus is seen by bios first, but not linux which checks pci
first.
Robert
wouldn't it be nice if they would just make wide scsi zip's, jazz's,
tape drives, scanners, and cameras, so you don't need all these cards.
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Crossposted-To: csu.unix.linux
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:12:38 -0600
From: Matthew Leinhos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Printer's memory usage
Hi everyone,
Could anyone tell me if there is a way to tell my printer is using its
on-board memory when I print something? I suspect that it isn't -- my
system "cat"s a file to the lp port until the print job is done, even
though I've 2M of mem on my HP LJ2P. I would like to fix this, but don't
know how...
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
-Matt
--
"Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio? | Matthew Leinhos
Our nation turns its lonely eyes | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
to you." | Colorado State University
--Paul Simon | Computer Science, Math major
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From: fungus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:31:21 GMT
Ermine Todd wrote:
>
> You must really not want to solve the problem. I and I alone
> supported ALL the PC's on a major college campus in the late
> 80's/early 90's and I had this problem solved.
In the late 80's and early 90s you could fit the entire
operating system on a couple of floppy disks and there
were only two or three options for graphics and sound
cards.
Comparing this situation to a modern PC is oranges and
apples.
> Each time the user logged on they received a completely
> new/clean image of the system.
Let's see if a modern user can be bothered to wait ten or
fifteen minutes to log on to a system.
--
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/ O O \
\_____/ FTB.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: 10 Apr 2000 17:38:03 -0700
Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>While Red Hat (and other distributions) charge for updates
>on CDs, they offer _free_ downloads of updates? What's the
>url for Microsoft's free W2K update?
I had to update my mother's PC when y2k hit, it took me several hours to
find, but the download was there.
I am in no way backing MS, but in this instance, it was out there....just
hidden really well.
>
>* Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related
Web Pages,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux Talk - Open to Ideas
Date: 11 Apr 2000 00:37:03 GMT
I have volunteered to give a talk about Linux to the group
of Systems Architects who are the systems "movers and
shakers" for a Fortune 10 company. This is an opportunity
to get more Linux into a very conservative outfit.
I have been using Linux at home and at work for nearly two
years now. I work on a daily basis with mainframes, UNIX,
and NT. I am convinced that Linux offers many advantages
over NT and commercial UNIX. I even think it has it's
place on a mainframe. But it would be nice to convince
the influencers.
I have kept up with Linux and open source via Linux
Weekly News and Linux Today. So I am reasonably aware of
what is going on in the open source user community.
I selected this group and not advocacy because I want
conservative answers and suggestions. Idealism and
potential don't get near as much weight in the environment
I work in as the actual delivery of capability today.
So here is my current list of selling points:
- Reliable (excellent uptime records)
- Excellent help available (commercial and free, with
the added control in that you can fix it yourself
if you have to, you're never stuck)
- Low/no cost to obtain
- Low TCO (no license hassles either)
- Traditional (not new, but better technology - based on
tried and true UNIX)
- Scalable
+ small, embedded systems
+ workstations for intel, alpha, sparc, ppc CPU's
+ servers from intel, alpha, sparc, ppc CPU's
+ S/390 servers
+ #'s 44, 265, and 454 in top 500 super computers
- Flexible
+ Samba File and Print service
+ Web server
+ Desktop workstation
+ Large scale parallel compute server
+ SAP/R3
+ Major commercial relational databases
- Linux appears to be the current hotbed of innovative
development to me (faster bug fixes, more
interesting software, more dedicated people)
- IBM management views Linux as a "disruptive
technology", that is it is likely to cause change
- A real sense of community
+ "many hands make light work"
+ giving back is good
The Enterprise "ToDo" List:
- Journaling file system (currently 4 candidates)
- Support for more processors (looks good for 2.4)
- More standards (standard file system layout and
packaging so that purchased software can be
installed on any distribution)
(this effort currently seems to be stalled)
Please offer your suggestions to add to this talk (or
remove that which may be controversial). Include any
interesting URL's you think appropriate to prove points.
TIA, and a special thanks to all of you who make
possible Linux and open source / free (as in liberated)
software ...
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From: "Tom Hoffmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Maximum File Size
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:49:17 GMT
That's a maximum FILE size of 2GB, not FILE SYSTEM size.
In article <8ct1ih$9vr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've been told that Linux has a maximum file size of 2GB. Is that
> really true? I saw a message stating that there were some other file
> systems availiable. What are their max file sizes?
>
>
> http://x37.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=605258949&CONTEXT=955385669.1388773408&;
> hitnum=14
>
>
> For example, what is the max file size in the JFS?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Randy
>
> Interested in getting your RHCE? Then visit http://www.rhce2b.com
>
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Profile Question
Date: 11 Apr 2000 00:51:58 GMT
Try changing /etc/inputrc to contain only the single following line:
set editing-mode vi
"Egbert Sous�" wrote:
>
> I type set -o vi logged on as a user and it doesn't work (using bash).
> When I su to root, and enter it at the command line, it works. I have that
> statement in .bash_profile for all users, including root, and /etc/profile.
> However it only works when I type it at the command line for root. I am a
> little confused about how this works. I had it working fine on
> RH 5.2. It fell apart under RH 6.1 How can it set it so it works
> foreveryone, every time?
>
> -------------------------------User
> Profile------------------------------------------------
>
> # .bash_profile
>
> # Get the aliases and functions
> if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
> . ~/.bashrc
> fi
>
> # User specific environment and startup programs
>
> PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
> BASH_ENV=$HOME/.bashrc
> USERNAME=""
> export TERM=vt100
> export USERNAME BASH_ENV PATH
> set -o vi
> export PS1="[\u $PWD] $"
>
> export JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/jdk118
> export JSDK=/usr/local/JSDK2.0/lib/jsdk.jar
> export JSERV=/usr/lib/apache/ApacheJServ.jar
> export CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:$JSDK:$JSERV
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From: Mark Cubberley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Yet another new user
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:49:52 -0500
I just got a new laptop that's setup for Win 2000. I'd like to go out /
download a copy of Linux-Mandrake to use as an alternate OS. I'm pretty
sure my hard drive only has one partition and from what I've read so
far, it's best to have the OS's in separate partitions. Can somebody
point me in the right direction to some info on the web or possibly
relate your own experience setting up L-M after having Win 2000 already
installed? Any help or anything would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Mark
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:59:52 +0000
From: mh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel compile bzImage error 2
Markus Kossmann wrote:
>
> mh wrote:
> >
> > I have made several attempts to compile a new kernel (2.2.14), but
> > something goes wrong at the point the compressed version of the kernel
> > is being created.
> >
> > Make enters the directory /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot then generates
> > the following errors:
> >
> > make[1]: as86: command not found
> There is no as86 installed on that machine. as86 comes usually in a
> package called bin86 ( or maybe also dev86)
> --
> Markus Kossmann
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I located the bin86 package and installed it. I wonder why it wasn't
part of the basic installation? Hopefully, that will solve the
problem. I'll find out this weekend. Thanks for the info! Much
appreciated.
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From: Michael Dwyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Printer's memory usage
Crossposted-To: csu.unix.linux
Date: 10 Apr 2000 18:59:40 -0700
In csu.unix.linux Matthew Leinhos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hi everyone,
: Could anyone tell me if there is a way to tell my printer is using its
: on-board memory when I print something? I suspect that it isn't -- my
: system "cat"s a file to the lp port until the print job is done, even
: though I've 2M of mem on my HP LJ2P. I would like to fix this, but don't
: know how...
When you send a file to the printer, you send it in some printer
language. In the case of your printer, it is probably HP PCL.
The printer takes the commands in this language, and expands it
into a bitmap the size of the page. Then, it spins up the engine,
and dumps the whole bitmap to the printer.
You need memory for the bitmap, memory for the commands, and
memory for the various stacks and heaps used as part of the language.
That said, your printer is most likely using its memory. However,
it probably only fills its memory one printed page at a time.
Or rather, the printer doesn't accept the entire job, then start working
on it. It takes a page, generates the bitmap, prints it, then grabs the
data for the next page. The printer is using its memory, but not as
you think it should.
The thing you are looking for is a print buffer. I'm not sure how much
of your printer's 2M of memory is used for buffer, how much for bitmap,
and how much for data... I don't know how to find out, either. Under
PostScript, there are some commands you can use to get memory information
from the rasterizer, and I expect that similar commands exist under
PCL, but it would probably be more difficult than it is worth.
If this annoys you, consider putting your cat process in the background
(with an &), or setting up LPD, which handles this spooling for you.
Otherwise, I think your printer isn't 'broken'. Its only a LJ2, after
all. Poor thing. :)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://WWW.CS.ColoState.EDU/~dwyer/
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