Linux-Misc Digest #106, Volume #27 Wed, 14 Feb 01 01:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter (J Sloan)
Re: exec hangs from .bash_profile (David Efflandt)
Re: Intruder (Rod Smith)
Re: Mail Server Newbie (Rod Smith)
Re: Via Sound Card problem (Rod Smith)
Re: Where to put hdparm (Dances With Crows)
Re: su command while in a program? (David Efflandt)
First impressions of RH7.1 beta ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Copying from Gnome Terminal w. PS2 mouse? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Where to put hdparm (David Efflandt)
Can I use my ATA/100 hard drive with my ATA/66 controller motherboard? ("Mordak")
Re: netcrap locks me up (Drew Roedersheimer)
Re: Is here anyone successful compile midnight commander at solaris? (Ben Taylor)
Re: Can I use my ATA/100 hard drive with my ATA/66 controller motherboard? (Harsh
Strider)
Help Needed Compiling linux 2.4.1... (Aaron Dhiman)
Re: Mail Server Newbie (Paul Kimoto)
Wednesday 14 February 2001: Ari Jort Englishes Bash; Damian Conway Latins Perl
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.advocacy,redhat.networking.general
Subject: Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:11:20 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:04:24 -0800, "Guillermo Auad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >I have RHat 7.0 installed on my IBM thinkpad and when I type
> >
> >% ifconfig eth0 (or eth1)
> >
> >it does not find the card. The card, a 3Com 10/100 PCI Mini Ethernet
> >adapter works properly when I boot Windows 2000 on the same laptop.
> >
> >Any ideas? please, reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >thx.
>
> Yea.
> Run Windows instead of Linsux .
>
> Or, do without your hardware like most Linux users.
Sorry flatfish, he wasn't asking for lame ass jokes -
The laptop no doubt came with windows, he is asking
for some info on getting the pcmcia ethernet card up
and running in Linux.
ifconfig won't load the drivers for the ethernet card
unless they have been made known to the system.
Check the file /etc/modules.conf and see if there is
a line containing the string "eth".
If not, the module has to be configured -
The Red Hat web site has excellent documentation
on this, as does the install guide that comes with RH.
If in doubt, consult one of the linux help groups -
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: exec hangs from .bash_profile
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:21:46 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Mark Winsor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have an ncurses program being "execed" from the user's .bash_profile. When
>execed, it hangs and doesn't allow keyboard input. When it is just run from
>the profile, it works.
>
>menu {works}
>exec menu {doesn't work}
>
>This is on RH 6.2. Anybody know of a reason for this behavior?
exec executes a command and never returns. Therefore your login
terminates there. Is that really what you want to do?
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/ http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Intruder
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:25:23 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <QSki6.33308$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"rc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I noticed that the a-hole created 2 or 3 users that were hidden. I removed
> them and closed the ftp access. I am not sure what else to do. Does anyone
> know if sendmail works behind a firewall?
1) Disconnect the system from the Internet.
2) Find out how the cracker got in. If you don't do this, any other
steps you may take may have no effect, since you'll just be
compromised again. Start your search by checking for exploits at
sites like http://www.cert.org and http://ciac.llnl.gov. You should
also check your distribution maintainer for information on security
updates to packages. Note that installing security updates is almost
always a good idea, but you shouldn't assume that installing a bunch
of security updates will necessarily fix the core problem. It could
be a bug that's fixed in some update you don't get, a
misconfiguration, etc.
3) Back up your entire system. It's probably best to make a separate
backup of the user data files, since you'll end up restoring them but
not the other files.
4) Completely erase the hard disk.
5) Re-install the system, either from a backup made before you were
cracked or from original installation CD-ROMs.
6) Fix the problems identified in step #2.
7) Install a firewall, if you don't have one already. Yes, sendmail can
be made to work behind a firewall, but depending upon the TYPE of
firewall, you may need to explicitly configure it.
8) Install an intrusion detection tool like Tripwire.
9) Restore user data files.
10) Restore the system's Internet connection.
Yes, this is all a pain. You may be tempted to take a less
labor-intensive approach, but there really is no way to be sure you've
eliminated all trace of the intruder until you completely wipe the
system and re-install it from scratch. You'll help yourself immensely
by reading up on security issues, at the above or various other Web
sites or in books on security. (I've got a few security book
suggestions at http://www.rodsbooks.com/books/books-network.html.)
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Mail Server Newbie
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:31:56 GMT
In article <96cc27$pte$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> James Horvath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I have installed sendmail (but haven't gotten too far with configuring it
>> yet (do I even need this? Would qmail be a better option for a rookie?)),
>
> Urk. I do this sort of stuff for a living, and I don't recommend
> sendmail for _anybody_, unless you happen to need some of the more specialized
> capabilities of sendmail - which I doubt you do. qmail or Exim are much
> easier to deal with.
I'm not a big sendmail fan myself, but it does have one big advantage
for most Linux users: It comes with most Linux distributions. (A couple
of notable exceptions: Debian and its derivatives ship with Exim, and
Mandrake ships with Postfix.) This means that sendmail is up and running
with little or no effort on most systems. If the mail server
configuration needs serious changes, then it might be worth the hassle
of removing sendmail and installing and configuring qmail, Exim,
Postfix, or possibly something else. OTOH, if you've got all the tools
to modify the sendmail m4 scripts and recompile them, sendmail
configuration isn't too tricky, either. The trouble is that some
distributions omit this stuff from a basic installation, so you've got
to track it all down -- which isn't really all that difficult, but it's
a lot of stuff for a newbie to figure out.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Via Sound Card problem
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:34:26 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <96cgd6$6i5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Martin Greco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Hi I have a Soyo motherboard with via sound chip.
> I have installed kernel 2.4 that has the sound driver as the module
> via82cxxx.o.
The standard kernel drivers for the VIA sound chip are pretty weak, in
my experience, although I've not tried the ones from 2.4.x kernels. (I
have tried them in some 2.3.x kernels, though, as well as 2.2.x
kernels.) In my experience, the ALSA drivers
(http://www.alsa-project.org) work much better. The main drawback is
that the ALSA drivers are a pain to compile, install, and get working.
Be sure to read the instructions, and pay attention to details like
enabling sound after loading the drivers (the mixer defaults to a muted
setting).
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Where to put hdparm
Date: 14 Feb 2001 04:42:49 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:37:21 GMT, Pete Ritter staggered into the Black
Sun and said:
>In which rc.d file is the correct place to put "hdparm -d1 -X34" so
>that these params are set on boot? Or better yet, perhaps they should
>be compiled into the kernel?
You can't easily put "hdparm" into the kernel; it's a user-space
program. The standard place to put such commands is in
/sbin/init.d/boot.local (SuSE) or /etc/rc.d/rc.local (RedHat, derived)
or create a new script that executes the command(s) and put that script
into the SysV or BSD init script layout (Slack, Debian).
You should also consider -c1 , -u1 , and -m16 for your hdparm command.
With nothing, I get 7M/sec, with (c1, u1, m16), I get 12M/sec, with (c1,
u1, m16, d1) I get 20M/sec. So it's probably worth it. HTH,
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: su command while in a program?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:47:26 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Richard James Panturis Giuly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Is there some way to change to a different user (like su) so that you
>suddenly gain that users access priveledges while you are still in a
>program. I mean you try to access a file in a program, and it fails, so
>you just change users and you have access, without exiting the program.
>
>--
>Richard Giuly
>
>(remove animal from email address)
Although, the suid bit is typically ignored for scripts, you can use:
#!/usr/bin/suidperl
in the first line of a Perl script to honor the suid. However, it is very
security concious so you will have to make sure that any input is
untainted. If you edit the script at all you will need to reset the suid
on the script.
To change to another user other than the suid effective user ($>) or real
user ($<), it would have to be running suid root.
For more about untainting see: perldoc perlsec
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/ http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: First impressions of RH7.1 beta
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:57:20 GMT
I got a hold of the $4 Cd's for RH7.1 beta from LSL.com and put them
on an extra partition over the weekend. I did a straightforward
"Gnome Workstation" install. (I still prefer text mode for the
install) Just a few observations:
1. Gnome
With RH6.2 I would install Helix Gnome to get the latest-greatest
desktop stuff, but the Gnome packages that come with RH7.1 is very
complete, and I really don't feel like I need to get Helix(Ximian) for
it. The Raleigh/Crux combo looks great. I've read that this may
become the default look for the next version of Gnome... and I agree
it should!
2. JDK
Supposedly JDK1.3 works with kernel 2.4, but I'm having problems.
I'm using the same Jdk1.3 rpm file I was using on my 6.2 setup (and
same classpath) but when I just try to compile Helloworld, I get:
% javac Helloworld.java
/usr/java/jdk1.3/bin/javac: /usr/bin/cut: No such file or directory
/usr/java/jdk1.3/bin/i386/native_threads/javac: error while loading
shared libraries: libjvm.so: cannot load shared object file: No such
file or directory
..and yet if I do: "which javac"
I get: /usr/java/jdk1.3/bin/javac
Any suggestions?
3. ppp
Weird. I used the RH Dialup Config tool (frontend to WvDial) the same
as before. It connects.... and a check of /var/lib/messages shows
that it's connecting to my ISP, but Mozilla just waits after putting
in a URL, and trying to telnet to my shell account from the Terminal
just waits until it eventually gives back: "Host name lookup failure"
It's as if it's connected, but nothing will go through. The last 2
lines in /var/lib/messages shows this:
Feb 13 21:36:57 localhost pppd[1568]: Exit.
Feb 13 21:36:57 localhost modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module ppp0
Any suggestions here too? (I'm just using the default kernel... I
guess I gotta compile it in?)
4. MySQL
MySQL is now included with RH, and I gave it a try for the first time.
I installed just the main MySQL rpm and the MySQLclient rpm, but the
command to install " mysql_install_db " gave back a strange message to
include this with "make install" (don't remember exactly, and can't
find a log message) and safe_mysqld wasn't even there! I removed
these RH-compiled packages and then downloaded the same ones from the
mirrors on MySQL.com... which worked just fine. Better to use the
rpm's from MySQL.com instead of the ones on the RH Cd's.
5. Iomega PP zip drive.
I used the same lines as before in /etc/rc.d/rc.local
insmod parport
insmod parport_pc
insmod ppa
as well as made a /mnt/zip as before, but I'm getting "mount:
/dev/sda4: unknown device". Checking DejaNews (just before it was
Googlized) it seems others are having problems with their PP zips too.
(Suggestions?)
Oh well... I guess that's why it's called "beta" :)
One suggestion for RH: I think mozilla is supposed to release version
0.8 any day. Maybe it's time retire NS4.x and make Mozilla the
default browser now. That's all for tonite.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Copying from Gnome Terminal w. PS2 mouse?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:55:35 GMT
>The left button still places highlighted text into the copy buffer, regardless
>of the number of buttons. The real question is how to paste - (see below)...
>
>
>>
>>I used to copy-n-paste with a 2-button mouse successfully with the emulate
>>3 button option in XF86Config.
>
>
>Assuming you have the emulate 3 button option set in XF86Config, you simply
>click both the left and right buttons simultaneously to do the paste...
>
Thanks! I went into RH's "mouseconfig" and that did the trick!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: Where to put hdparm
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:52:34 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:37:21 GMT, Pete Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In which rc.d file is the correct place to put "hdparm -d1 -X34" so that
>these params are set on boot? Or better yet, perhaps they should be
>compiled into the kernel?
Compile a command into the kernel? Put it in /etc/rc.d/rc.local
(preferably with full path to hdparm in case it is not in the PATH).
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/ http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/
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From: "Mordak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Can I use my ATA/100 hard drive with my ATA/66 controller motherboard?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:15:42 GMT
Hi all,
I just purchased a new 60GB Western Digital HD. It's an ATA/100 IDE drive
and
I want to run it on my motherboards (Tyan Trinity S2380 and a Athlon 650)
ATA/66 controller - is this possible? I know an older drive can run on a
newer controller but I'm unsure about it the other way.
Also, will SuSE 7.0/7.1 Pro have a problem with it? I plan on having it set
up to have SuSE, FreeBSD, and Peanut Linux running on it to start and then I
plan on adding Slackware and Debian in a couple of months.
I guess I will be surprised if the answer is no with the backward
compatibility issue. I do have a CMD ATA/100 PCI Card but I don't believe it
has any Linux drivers at this point. At least not that I have found.
Thanks,
Mordak
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Drew Roedersheimer)
Subject: Re: netcrap locks me up
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:19:51 GMT
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:06:13 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
>Stephen Rank wrote:
>>
>> The Real Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> > alias killnet='rm -f /root/.netscape/lock;killall -9 netscape'
>>
>> Implying that you're running Netscrape as root...
>>
>> Erk!
>>
>> Hint: don't!
>
>Yeahyeahyeahyeahyeah... Like you're the first person on earth to say that
>:-)
>
>One serious problem: whenever I try to create a new user, it doesn't
>work. Not with useradd or adduser with all the bells and whistles, not
>with yast or yast2. And I seem to remember a lot of people complaining
>that they could ONLY run netscape as root.
>
>Three years and still alive. So far, so good, and way better than win9*.
>
>--
>Cheers,
>Bev
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>"Friends help you move. *Real* friends help you move bodies."
> --A. Walker
It's certainly not my business, however, I rarely, if ever, login as root.
su usually does all the work I need. With that said, something sounds
seriously broke if you can't use useradd to create additional accounts.
In any case, it's not really that hard to create a user account without
these canned measures. A few changes to /etc/passwd and /etc/group, create
the home directory, some permission changes, and you should be done...
As far as only being able to run netscape as root - I've never heard that
- not saying it hasn't been said, but the whole idea seems preposterous
to me.
Again, just my $0.02...
-DR
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From: Ben Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is here anyone successful compile midnight commander at solaris?
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:41:12 GMT
In comp.unix.solaris Carfield Yim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: As title, is there anyone success use midnight commander at solaris? I
: can't compile it, the problem is:
export LDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/lib/glib -R/usr/local/lib/glib" and then
reconfigure.
Or you can download a version from
http://www.clark.net/pub/bent/Solaris8-X86/GNOME
Ben
: checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.0... no
: *** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why...
: *** The test program compiled, but did not run. This usually means
: *** that the run-time linker is not finding GLIB or finding the wrong
: *** version of GLIB. If it is not finding GLIB, you'll need to set your
: *** LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable, or edit /etc/ld.so.conf to
: point
: *** to the installed location Also, make sure you have run ldconfig if
: that
: *** is required on your system
: ***
: *** If you have an old version installed, it is best to remove it,
: although
: *** you may also be able to get things to work by modifying
: LD_LIBRARY_PATH
: ***
: *** If you have a RedHat 5.0 system, you should remove the GTK package
: that
: *** came with the system with the command
: ***
: *** rpm --erase --nodeps gtk gtk-devel
: configure: error: Test for GLIB failed. MC requires GLIB.
: But I have set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/glib/, it is where
: glic installed, and I have no /etc/ld.so.conf and no ldconfig on my
: system. Any help?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harsh Strider)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can I use my ATA/100 hard drive with my ATA/66 controller motherboard?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:47:22 GMT
You should have no problem. The HDD will just run a ATA/66 speed. I
run a ATA/66 HDD on a ATA/33 controler and have no problem. Also an
interestng side note is that, according to Anandtech.com there is all
most no speed difference between and ATA/100 and ATA/66 drives and
ATA/66 and ATA/33 drives.
Peace,
Harsh Strider
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:15:42 GMT, "Mordak"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi all,
>I just purchased a new 60GB Western Digital HD. It's an ATA/100 IDE drive
>and
>I want to run it on my motherboards (Tyan Trinity S2380 and a Athlon 650)
>ATA/66 controller - is this possible? I know an older drive can run on a
>newer controller but I'm unsure about it the other way.
>
>Also, will SuSE 7.0/7.1 Pro have a problem with it? I plan on having it set
>up to have SuSE, FreeBSD, and Peanut Linux running on it to start and then I
>plan on adding Slackware and Debian in a couple of months.
>
>I guess I will be surprised if the answer is no with the backward
>compatibility issue. I do have a CMD ATA/100 PCI Card but I don't believe it
>has any Linux drivers at this point. At least not that I have found.
>Thanks,
>Mordak
>
>
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From: Aaron Dhiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help Needed Compiling linux 2.4.1...
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:56:32 GMT
Hi,
I'm new to Linux and am trying to compile 2.4.1, but keep getting the
message:
"In file included from /usr/local/linux/include/linux/raid/md.h:51,
from init/main.c:25:
/usr/local/linux/include/linux/raid/md_k.h: In function `pers_to_level':
/usr/local/linux/include/linux/raid/md_k.h:39: warning: control reaches
end of non-void function make: *** [init/main.o] Error 1"
and the compile keeps crashing. If I comment out the body of the
function 'pers_to_level', compile goes a little longer, but then crashes
on another warning. Shouldn't the compile complete, regardless of
"warnings"? Any suggestions?
I'm on an Athlon/K7 system, running Red Hat 7.0.
Thanks for any help!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Mail Server Newbie
Date: 14 Feb 2001 00:57:57 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <0Tni6.28687$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rod Smith wrote:
> I'm not a big sendmail fan myself, but it does have one big advantage
> for most Linux users: It comes with most Linux distributions. (A couple
> of notable exceptions: Debian and its derivatives ship with Exim, and
> Mandrake ships with Postfix.)
Debian ships with _all_ the major MTAs.
$ cat /var/state/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_*Packages |
egrep 'Package: (sendmail$|qmail|postfix$|exim$)'
Package: exim
Package: postfix
Package: sendmail
Package: qmail-src
--
Paul Kimoto
This message was originally posted on Usenet in plain text. Any images,
hyperlinks, or the like shown here have been added without my consent,
and may be a violation of international copyright law.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Wednesday 14 February 2001: Ari Jort Englishes Bash; Damian Conway Latins Perl
Date: 14 Feb 2001 01:04:27 -0500
Wednesday 14 February 2001 Ari Jort will speak at the Beginners Group.
Wednesday 14 February 2001 Damian Conway will speak at the Perl Mongers.
Both official notices are stuck on the end/appended.
Jay Sulzberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Corresponding Secretary LXNY
LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization.
http://www.lxny.org
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edit-level="light">
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tomorrow's(WED 2/14)Gnubies (GNU/Linux/Free OS Beginners) Meeting
We are pleased to announce that on Wednesday, February 14, 2001 (yes that
is Valentine's Day) Ari Jort will be our speaker/expert at the GNUbies
(GNU/Linux/Free OS Beginners) meeting. His topic will be "Fun and Learning
with the Bash Shell". Ari is currently an engineer with VA Linux who "fell
in love with the shell eight years ago." He is also the VP of NYLUG (the
New York Linux Users Group). Having seen him clearly explain complex things
about Linux to true beginners before, I believe the meeting should be
informative and interesting. As always, the meeting is free and open to
the public.
Details:
Wednesday, February 14, 2001
6:30 Q&A
7:00 Ari Jort
on
Fun and Learning with the Bash Shell
at
CALC/Canterbury, 780 Third Ave., C-1
i n New York City
Please follow the following link below the announcement on our web page
(www.gnubies.org or www.eskimo.org/~lo/linux)
if you are planning to attend:
The link is repeated here for your convenience.
http://www.eskimo.com/~lo/linux/FEB1ariattend.html
We hope to see you there.
Lyn Ohira
GNUbies
(The GNU/Linux/Free OS Beginners Group in New York City)
</blockquote>
<blockquote
edit-level="light">
From: David H. Adler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Damian's talk next week -- at AMNH!
We have gotten very lucky all of a sudden.
The American Museum of Natural History has been good enough to give us the
use of one of their theatres for Damian's talk next wednesday.
Details:
Damian Conway speaks on Lingua::Romana::Perligata
AMNH - Linder Theatre
7-9pm, Wednesday the 14th of February.
I suggest everyone try to show up on time, as damian tends to do a good
deal of talking and we'll want to get as much of that in before they throw
us out. :-)
Directions and information about the museum can be found at
http://www.amnh.org/welcome/admission.html
(although there is no admission for this event).
Everyone will have to come in the security entrance, on the first floor,
Central Park West side, down the driveway UNDER the main stairway. The
Linder Theater is on the same floor.
Fortunately the museum is located within reach of food and such, to which
we should be adjourning to afterwards.
Many thanks to the Museum for allowing us to use their facilities, and a
particular thank you to Rachel Rawlings for making this happen.
See you all there!
dha
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The Teletubbies are coming to America.
They must be stopped!
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