Linux-Misc Digest #764, Volume #24 Fri, 9 Jun 00 17:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: the 1024 cyl limit (Dances With Crows)
SOCKS Program for Pirch (Somsak Limavongphanee)
keyboard doesn't work in Kde!!!!!--PLEASE HELP (Zongo04)
Re: Linux uses lots of memory? (J Bland)
console snapshot (Neil Zanella)
MS word and linux (Mariusz Pagowski)
Re: the 1024 cyl limit (Leonard Evens)
Re: Apache Trouble! (Akira Yamanita)
Re: Mystery Reboot - Have I been cracked? (The Darkener)
Re: Cut and Paste in Linux/KDE.... (Masoud Pajoh)
Re: IPChains Magic (David Steuber)
Re: Linux version of windows updater ... (p0lym0rf1c)
Changing desktop resolution in Gnome? (Larry)
Re: I want to switch to Linux - Please Help (J Bland)
Re: the 1024 cyl limit (J Bland)
Re: Cut and Paste in Linux/KDE.... ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: MS word and linux (Bob Tennent)
Re: Changing desktop resolution in Gnome? (Sebastian Ude)
Re: MS word and linux (J Bland)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: the 1024 cyl limit
Date: 09 Jun 2000 15:11:35 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 09 Jun 2000 14:03:49 -0400, Johan Kullstam
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>"Kent A. Signorini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I actually have 3 drives in my machine. 10GB (my system), 13GB (my data),
>> 20GB (my wife's data).
>
>> Tell me, can I mount both data drives to /home or does each need a
>> different mount point?
>
>they need different mount points. this is a long standing imho flaw
>of unix.
FWIW, it's possible to mount the same device at multiple directories in
some of the development kernels.
http://kt.linuxcare.com/kernel-traffic/kt20000424_64.epl#9
Note: development kernel=risky business. You'll learn a lot though.
I wouldn't think anyone would really need this for ext2 filesystems--mount
the device somewhere, then use symlinks if you want it grafted elsewhere.
Might be nice for other things though... have FAT32 /dev/hda1 mounted
fully open on /home/winsuperuser, and have it mounted read-only on
/home/winnormaluser. Of course, /home/winsuperuser would only be
accessible to the appropriate Unix group...
>> I could always mount my data to /home/kent and hers to /home/allison
>
>this is probably best.
Symlinks are your friend too.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: Somsak Limavongphanee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SOCKS Program for Pirch
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:13:23 -0700
Where can I download SOCKS program?
Does it cache the channel list If I use pirch?
Thank
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Zongo04)
Subject: keyboard doesn't work in Kde!!!!!--PLEASE HELP
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 19:10:42 GMT
Since about one week my keyboard doesn't work right under Kde.
The @,~,\ and so on (all ALTGR combinations) don't work. I don't know
what i shall do, can someone please help me!!!!!!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Linux uses lots of memory?
Date: 9 Jun 2000 19:21:17 GMT
>>Yes, you can get away with 20MB, using e.g. icewm or fvwm2 as your
>>window manager. But what else do you have to run to make it "usable"?
>
> rxvt
This is a really cool way of saving around 50% of memory compared to an
xterm. I've never noticed any real loss of functionality between the two.
> X allows me to do something that nothing but splitvt does and it does it
>pooly. Oooh, look, two ttys at once. One has a man page in it for me to
>refer off of while the other has the actual editing I want to do in it. I
>also happen to /like/ sticky focus.
Well, X allows an essentially unlimited number of terminals, and you can
view them side by side without hassle. Don't get me wrong, I lurk about in
VCs a fair while too but X is nicer if you've got the RAM (and, possibly,
bandwidth). And I'd like to see anyone do photo retouching from a VC...
> Clearly you don't consider this functional whereas *I* do. That is why I
>pointed out that it all depends on your definition of functional.
As always, it entirely depends on what you want to do. What you want to do
may not even be something Linux can do. It is often the case though, IME, that
you *can* do these things, if you know how. But, this has the proviso that you
are both willing and able to learn. Competence in I.T. (and I mean real
competence) should be as much a necessity to learn these days as literacy was at
the beginning of the last century. It's one of those skills everyone needs
to know now. Unfortunately people can kid on these days that they know about
computers when they really know very little indeed.
Frinky
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From: Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: console snapshot
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:07:43 -0230
Hello,
I am looking for a utility that allows a user to create a color enhanced
snapshot of the Linux console and save it as a .gif just like xv can
take snapshots of xterm (and other things) on the X Windows System GUI.
Ideally such a command would have a time delay run time option so that
one could take snapshots of running applications.
Thanks,
Neil
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Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:26:12 -0400
From: Mariusz Pagowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MS word and linux
Hi,
I am receiving some e-mail in Word and want to read it in linux
without going to windows. Is there any software (free/cheap) which would
allow me to do that?
Thanks,
Mariusz
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the 1024 cyl limit
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 14:27:55 -0500
"Kent A. Signorini" wrote:
>
> Hi. Thanks for the answer.
>
> btw: Where do I find the new LILO? How new is it? Newer than the one that
> ships with RH6.2?
It is newer than the RH6.2 version. Try
metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/boot/lilo
You get a tar archive, but it looks pretty simple to install.
>
> The reason I asked this question is that I did a setup the other night where
> I didn't have a /boot and just created a / partition. Now, before I exited
> the RH fdisk program (whatever it's called) I was just creating my
> partitions and setting mount points and it just wouldn't let me create a
> partition more than 8 GB.
That sounds strange. I believe we have several machines with
bigger partitions. I just checked one that has an 11GB partition.
> And I hadn't even set it to mount at / yet. I
> was just CREATING the partitions. I thought this was very weird, so I went
> into Windows (dual boot) and partitioned it using Partition Commander
> and when I reran the RH 6.2 fdisky thing, it had no problem. I got smart
> then and created a /boot anyway, but it was very weird. Got me thinking
> that and ext2 couldn't be bigger than 8GB. Guess not.
You shouldn't need to use Partition Magic, and doing so could
create some problems. I would avoid it unless absolutely necessary.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Kent!
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Apache Trouble!
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 19:45:43 GMT
Steve Hunt wrote:
>
> I am trying to use Apache Server 1.1.12 on Red Hat Linux 6.2. I have done
> all of the standard configuring, and whenever I try to view my page, I get
> an error saying "Forbidden. You don't have permission to access / on this
> server. Apache 1.1.12 Server at http://10.130.10.247 Port 80" I set the
> document root as /myjunk/websrv and it still doesn't work! Please Help!
Search this newsgroup for a thread with the subject "apache problem?"
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From: The Darkener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Mystery Reboot - Have I been cracked?
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 12:43:28 -0700
I've got a Celeron 266 overclocked to 400 and have never had heat problems...
Celerons are famous for their overclocking abilities.
Stewart Honsberger wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:47:32 -0500, L. Bailey wrote:
> >I got home tonight and found out that my server had rebooted.
> >Has this ever happened to anyone else?
>
> The first thing that comes to mind is a power failure, or even a flicker.
> It's likely happened to all of us at some point or another.
>
> >Abit BP6
> >2 Celeron 366's overclocked to 550
>
> Is it possible that the heat of these things got a bit much?
>
> I've never been a fan of overclocking CPUs, myself.
>
> --
> Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
> Humming along under SuSE 6.4, Linux 2.2.14
--
- The Darkener
Linux: Be true to your computer, and your computer will be true to you.
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,nf.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Cut and Paste in Linux/KDE....
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Masoud Pajoh)
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 14:48
In article <8hrdgb$sdq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>The Almighty One <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: gotta give M$ a brownie point for that : highlight, ctrl-c to copy, click,
>: ctrl-v to paste
>: global clipboarding ...
>
>This happens automatically in X.
>
>: Tux wrote:
>:> Is there some way that I can use cut and paste procedures in KDE...
>
>Just select using the left button (possibly also shift). Paste with the
>right button.
>
>Peter
I have not used KDE very much, I mostly use GNOME.
There, text may be copied from a window by highlighting it, then moving
to the target location and center clicking(or cording on a two-button
mouse) to paste the highlighted text.
In some other windows(e.g. Netscape) alt+c and alt+v and alt+x do the
same as cntl+. . . in Windows.
These although not universal, but close enough for my purposes.
Masoud
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Subject: Re: IPChains Magic
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 20:00:02 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steffen Kluge) writes:
' In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
' David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
' >There is an ftp filter for IPChains installed. How the heck does it
' >know to do a redir when the server opens a port back for file
' >transfere? You could have knocked me down with a sledgehammer!
'
' Maybe your ipchains are configured for masquerading. Use
' ipchains -L -M to find out.
Yes, they are. I heavily modified someone else's firewall script to
use MASQ. I just didn't realize it was so clever as to let FTP work
when the server has to open a connection back up to the client in
order to move data.
Any which way you call it, I'm impressed.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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From: p0lym0rf1c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux version of windows updater ...
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 19:52:08 GMT
Yea, get RH and use the Update Agent that comes with it.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
hhk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am coming out with a 2 shell scripts that will automatically
> login onto a ftp (or tftp) and for
>
> script 1: get the latest kernel image (upgrage the kernel only)
> script 2: get the whole disk image (upgrade the whole system)
>
> when the system is rebooted, it will update what is required.
> There is no user ineraction in the process.
>
> Anyone has any suggestions to a Linux newbie?
>
> THANKS!
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From: Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Changing desktop resolution in Gnome?
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 15:26:15 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How do I change the desktop resolution in Gnome after the initial
configuration?
Thanks,
Larry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Subject: Re: I want to switch to Linux - Please Help
Date: 9 Jun 2000 20:30:20 GMT
>Better question, why not use them both?
It's a common fallacy that they're mutually exclusive. They're not, by any
means, totally integratable but both 'GNOME' and 'KDE' apps will happily run
on pretty much any WM you're running; as long as you have the necessary
libraries installed, of course.
>>6) What would you suggest as replacement Linux app's for:
>>
>> MS-Office 97 (I have many documents with complex drawing elements on
>>them -- lines/boxes/etc. done in Word97)
>
>Staroffice (coming along very nicely)
Yeah, not bad, but not exactly brilliant either. I consider SO to be a nice,
cheap equivalent to MS Office. Which is good. But, who wants MS Office in
the first place?
LaTex (and others) gives a much more powerful document authoring tool. There
are a number of spreadsheet apps available. *Numerous* drawing tools. A host
of email programmes. And much more.
Office, perhaps, gives the ease of pasting one thing to another, possibly
because movement of data from one Windows app to another has always been an
utter pain.
The Unix philosophy of many small apps, with easy transfer of data is the
best way to go. In the same way that having hifi separates is better than an
all-in-one Midi stereo.
Things like StarOffice give increased compatibilty with the formats used by
Windows desktops but such things are not therefore necessarily the best way
to do things.
It's with this in mind that I'm awaiting with dread any move by MS to port
Office to Linux. This would, in one blow, crush any other tools that are
emerging back into the world of geekdom as all the new users just pick up
where they left off; just with a different base OS.
StarOffice isn't brilliant for MS files IME, Applix fares better. Best of
all, load your stuff into Word and export as something more friendly if
possible. Get away from office suites as fast as you can. OSS or not they
will trap you. (I speak from the experience of working with people using
Word and such and trying to send me bodged LaTeX from crappy programs: at
least with the LaTeX I can edit it...). And my own lovely Acorn apps are
fine until you cross platforms, at which point you realise you can't.
>> Allaire Homesite (for html editing)
>
>pico (html is quite easy and it's much cleaner if you do it yourself)
HTML is reasonably easy (at the point that if you can run a GUI HTML editor
you should be able to do it yourself).
Handmade HTML is often cleaner and smaller, but only if done properly. I
readily admit making gross errors in my early attempts at it, but now I know
what I'm doing I can make my HTML both fully standards compliant *and* easy
to read/edit without much bother at all. You can also keep your site updated
from anywhere you can get a bare terminal.
>> a good FTP client (I'm sure there is no shortage of these)
>
>nsftp
Never heard of that. Did you mean ncftp? Which, yes, is quite nice. The more
recent standard ftp clients are getting nifty too.
On the desktop you also have kfm, gftp, xftp and a host of others. You
really won't be lacking in support for telnet, ssh, ftp and other such low
level protocols.
>>7) Is Netscape the only good browser in Linux? I'm partial to IE5 because
>>it handles pages better then Netscape (IMHO) and has more features. I
>>design web sites part-time and need to be able to see both types of
>>extensions.
>
>Use lynx (MUCH quicker)
Use w3m (MUCH quicker and with better layout than Lynx ;0). Ok, Lynx, w3m
and the rest are pretty quick, stable and low in resource usage, but for a
GUI browser you're stuck with two options really:
Netscape; full browser, very heavy and unstable but will get you onto most
sites
kfm; ok browser, uses far fewer resources, doubles as a file manager at the
same time, less likely to crash but doesn't support as many things. I take
kfm to be the equivalent of a GUI Lynx.
Hopefully soon, we'll have Opera, Netscape 6, Mozilla and Konqueror. My
personal bet is on either Opera or Konqueror but that's based on previous
experiences with Netscape.
>Just mount the drive and use it. No problem.
This pretty much applies to any filesystem too. Even ADFS! ;)
>I am partial to RedHat myself - personal preference I guess. You can do the
>same things with either one. I have had more problems with Corel installs than
>with RedHat though.
SuSE, at least up to 6.3, is also very nice, though probably for the
slightly more experienced user.
>>12) Has anyone used VMWARE and does it work well?
>
>Completely Awsome. You need some serious ram and processor speed to really
>enjoy it though. And, of course, it does cost $100...
Win4Lin also has good reviews, and with lighter resource usage, but I've
never used it myself.
On the whole, as long as you know what you're doing you can use a Linux box
just as well as a Windows (or other) machine. My suggestion would be to keep
your current OS around for a while as you get used to it. You should find
that with time (and a little commitment) you will replace your current apps
with unix ones. I used to be a massive Acorn user, now I've replaced pretty
much any app I used to use and I'm selling my old Acorns off. But I wouldn't
have been without them while I was making the transition.
Frinky
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Subject: Re: the 1024 cyl limit
Date: 9 Jun 2000 20:42:59 GMT
>The reason I asked this question is that I did a setup the other night where
>I didn't have a /boot and just created a / partition. Now, before I exited
>the RH fdisk program (whatever it's called) I was just creating my
>partitions and setting mount points and it just wouldn't let me create a
>partition more than 8 GB. And I hadn't even set it to mount at / yet. I
>was just CREATING the partitions. I thought this was very weird, so I went
>into Windows (dual boot) and partitioned it using Partition Commander
>and when I reran the RH 6.2 fdisky thing, it had no problem. I got smart
>then and created a /boot anyway, but it was very weird. Got me thinking
>that and ext2 couldn't be bigger than 8GB. Guess not.
Installers will probably assume the old limit of 1024cylindars. With some
mappings 8GB or so is where the 1024cylindar limit is. So it wouldn't let
you create a parition over this as the kernel could possibly end up over
cylindar 1023.
8GB is the limit for some other things (something to do with bits and such,
don't ask me, I can't remember). But if you want to make a huge partition
you can; mk2sfs etc will happily do this, but some installers try to get
clever and prevent you making bad mistakes.
Frinky
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,nf.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Cut and Paste in Linux/KDE....
Date: 9 Jun 2000 20:30:03 GMT
Masoud Pajoh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <8hrdgb$sdq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:>The Almighty One <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>: gotta give M$ a brownie point for that : highlight, ctrl-c to copy, click,
:>: ctrl-v to paste
:>: global clipboarding ...
:>This happens automatically in X.
:>: Tux wrote:
:>:> Is there some way that I can use cut and paste procedures in KDE...
:>Just select using the left button (possibly also shift). Paste with the
:>right button.
: I have not used KDE very much, I mostly use GNOME.
: There, text may be copied from a window by highlighting it, then moving
: to the target location and center clicking(or cording on a two-button
Sorry, I mean center button. For some reason I didn't check before
writing.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Tennent)
Subject: Re: MS word and linux
Date: 9 Jun 2000 20:34:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:26:12 -0400, Mariusz Pagowski wrote:
>
>I am receiving some e-mail in Word and want to read it in linux
>without going to windows. Is there any software (free/cheap) which would
>allow me to do that?
>
Try antiword, available at
http://www.winfield.demon.nl/index.html
Another is MsWordView, also known as wv. Or use the conversion
service at
http://wheel.compose.cs.cmu.edu:8001/cgi-bin/browse/objweb
Bob T.
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From: Sebastian Ude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Changing desktop resolution in Gnome?
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 22:54:08 +0200
Larry wrote:
> How do I change the desktop resolution in Gnome after the initial
> configuration?
>
> Thanks,
> Larry
Yo can't change the desktop resolution in Gnome or KDE.
Gnome is only a environment, which means it provides a panel, al lot of
useful programs etc..
When you want to change the Resolution, you have to change the settings
of your X-Server.
You can do that by typing:
XF86Setup.
If you like it the classical way, type:
xf86config
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Subject: Re: MS word and linux
Date: 9 Jun 2000 20:55:51 GMT
>Hi,
>I am receiving some e-mail in Word and want to read it in linux
>without going to windows. Is there any software (free/cheap) which would
>allow me to do that?
StarOffice will read and edit it reasonably ok. It's free for personal use,
though quite a large install and/or download.
Frinky
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