Linux-Misc Digest #764, Volume #18 Tue, 26 Jan 99 02:13:08 EST
Contents:
micro-distributions (Gamma Rat)
Re: How Serialized is the Linux Filesystem? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code (Chris Lee)
Re: Installing a WinModem under Linux (joh)
Re: Installing a WinModem under Linux (Johan Kullstam)
[Q] PC Card Hard Drives for Linux? (Mohd-Hanafiah Abdullah)
Re: 2038 and Linux (John Brock)
Re: Apache WEB server. (Glenn Butcher)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters ("Ray Nash")
Re: Help, Kernel too big ("Wael Sedky")
Help! Something broke with Libc6 (Al Tuttle)
Re: A newbie versus "vi" [HOLY WARS ALERT] (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Help, Kernel too big ("George Georgakis")
Please HELP!!! PPPD is driving me mad!!!! (Michael Tin)
Re: Help, Kernel too big ("al")
Re: How do I read open source code CD Redhat 5.2? (John Girash)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gamma Rat)
Subject: micro-distributions
Date: 26 Jan 1999 02:31:08 GMT
Reply-To: see my .sig below
I am thinking of installing a very small linux distribution on an old
386-SX with 2 MB of RAM and about 170 MB of disk. I would be using it
almost exclusively to rlogin/telnet to another machine. The purpose
of this would be to give me what amounts to a terminal with 12 virtual
screens. I would like reccommendations for very small linux distributions
that would fit on a few floppy disks, and would work on the machine
described above, along with URL's where I could get them.
Thank you.
Ken.
--
The penguins are not what they seem ...
These are my opinions. Others will believe what they wish to believe.
It's not my job to re-educate the net. Demands for citations will be ignored.
(And isn't it ironic how people demand air-tight proofs only for views that
don't agree with theirs?)
My REAL email address is ksinner
at ticon
dot net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Serialized is the Linux Filesystem?
Date: 25 Jan 1999 22:40:12 -0600
In article <78ima1$8ci$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ich hope, that someone can answer these
>questions of a linux newbe!
>
>Q: If the same user runs several independent
>processes that write and read files on a
>harddisk: what errors may occur in the
>worst case?
If more than one process writes in the same file
at the same time the last one will overwrite the
other's writes.
>Q: If only one process writes, the other
>processes read files, ist the situation
>different?
Yes, but you still need to take care if it is
important that the reads match the writes.
>Q: Are there any simple locking mechanisms
>which can make such unsynchrized
>processes save?
For files that simply grow continuously (like
log files), the writers can open in append mode
which will make each write() seek to the end
atomicaly with the write(). For files that
can be replaced with each update the writer can
create a new file under a temporary name, then
use rename() to atomically replace the old copy
with the new one. Readers will always always
see one or the other, and a reader that opens
before the rename will continue to have acess
to the contents of the earlier version. If you
need random access updates you'll have to use
file locking (see fcntl()).
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code
Date: 24 Jan 1999 21:53:45 GMT
In article <e$dtm$7R#GA.229@upnetnews03>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>Maybe this would be a good way to find enough programmers to fix the Y2K
>problems in Linux.
There aren't really any Y2K problems in Linux, this Y2K nonsense for the PC
is mostly a problem for software that runs under MickySoft created
operating systems....
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From: joh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installing a WinModem under Linux
Date: 25 Jan 1999 22:00:21 -0500
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Martin Gillett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > ... A Winmodem removes at least 100MHZ from the speed of your
> > > processor.
> >
> > Hmm. What is the source of this figure? How come mine works (in
> > Windows) with my Pentium 100 without noticeably slowing things down?
> > (Granted, I don't usually do intensive tasks while I'm online, but I
> > do run three or four apps-- typically bloated Windows apps-- at a
> > time.)
>
> are you *running* them or are they just idling in the background?
Both. I mean, I would be downloading something while I was switching
back and forth between say FileMaker, Word, and Outlook Express. True,
my computer is never fast, so it's possible there was a slowdown that
I just never noticed. But the point is, clearly I wasn't losing 100
MHz worth of speed (which would have brought my 100 MHz machine to a
halt), or anything close to it. I no longer have the Winmodem
installed, so I can't check.
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o ! [EMAIL PROTECTED]
j h [nix the x to reply]
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Subject: Re: Installing a WinModem under Linux
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 25 Jan 1999 22:48:44 -0500
joh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) writes:
>
> > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Martin Gillett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
>
> > ... A Winmodem removes at least 100MHZ from the speed of your
> > processor.
>
> Hmm. What is the source of this figure? How come mine works (in
> Windows) with my Pentium 100 without noticeably slowing things down?
> (Granted, I don't usually do intensive tasks while I'm online, but I
> do run three or four apps-- typically bloated Windows apps-- at a
> time.)
are you *running* them or are they just idling in the background?
--
Johan Kullstam [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mohd-Hanafiah Abdullah)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: [Q] PC Card Hard Drives for Linux?
Date: 26 Jan 1999 11:32:07 +0800
Hi:
Is there any PCMCIA type hard drive that supports Linux out there? My
laptop is running out of its 1.4GB internal IDE hard drive. Thanks for any
tips.
Napi
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Brock)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2038 and Linux
Date: 26 Jan 1999 00:02:14 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, gus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Toon Moene wrote:
>> Keith G. Murphy wrote:
>> > The ironic thing about all this is that DEC VMS has had a 64-bit date
>> > representation all along: since, oh, 1985 or '86? Yet another
>> > confirmation of the "Digital has it now" slogan. :-)
>> VMS uses a 64-bit time field. Its epoch is (somewhere in) 1858, and its
>> increment is 100 ns.
>>
>> Someone with a slide rule out there to compute when VMS "runs out of
>> time" ?
>I got it to about 587 million years ...
>
>I think that is sometime after the solar collapse(when the sun burns out
>...;-).
Actually the sun is generally thought to have about 5 billion (5E+9)
good years left. (And, as someone else pointed out, your figure here
is off by 4 decimal places. I get 58,454 years).
>The real problem with this system is the granularity of the 100ns. In
>about 10 years time I imagine that systems will be aproaching the lower
>bound of this time field, being able to compute, time, and store time
>values of perhaps 1ns or less .... ;-)
Eventually I think we're going to need standardized, hardware-supported
variable length numeric data types. There is always going to be
someone that needs a number bigger than whatever fixed limit we've
settled on. With variable length numeric data types (which do not
necessarily have to be base 10) that kind of problem just goes away.
Of course this would mean that the CPU would have to read and write
arithmetic operands and results directly to and from memory, rather
than registers, which is contrary to current (RISC) practice.
--
John Brock
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Glenn Butcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Apache WEB server.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:59:23 -0800
You need to print a "response header" before you start printing your
HTML:
print "Content-type: text/html\n\n";
Glenn Butcher
Jesper K. Pedersen wrote:
>
> Evening everyone.
>
> After struggling alot with Apache I feel close to giving up.
>
> The webserver runs fine - I can access it locally as well as from a
> remote location.
> When I get to the fun part with cgi-scripts it gets a bit worse.
>
> Basically nomatter what Perl script (ready made from the net) that I try
> out - it terminates with an error message :
>
> something something something "reason: premature end of script headers"
> [somedate].
>
> Can anyone give me a clue of why ?
> Im hinted at by the helpfiles that its the way that Perl handles its
> "prints" to the server - and that i manually have to rework the scripts.
> And ive tried that - but with the same result.
>
> Best regards
> Jesper K. Pedersen
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Ray Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 05:07:00 GMT
Really? they want our money but not our nation? Telll em to get the fuck out
then!
Fedorov Greg wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>pdohert wrote:
>
>> Michael Powe wrote:
>> > Hard to see where you got the idea that "the US has pretty much
>> > initiated the whole thing." The modern "computer revolution" started
>> > in Britain. Americans are too self-congratulatory for my taste. They
>> > seem to forget a few major technological facts, like they got hosed in
>> > automotive technology and manufacturing technologies and had to play
>> > catchup in electronic technologies. Isn't anybody here old enough to
>> > remember that American businessmen thought transistors would be of no
>> > serious commercial value? American businessmen are noted around the
>> > world for their inability to see beyond next quarter's earnings
>> > chart.
>>
>> What does the vision (or lack thereof) of businessmen in forecasting the
>> usefulness or competetive edge of new technology have to do with the
>> point that the technology was *created* here?
>>
>> Makes it pretty easy to see where the "US has pretty much initiated the
>> whole thing" comes from... :-)
>>
>> --
>>
>> Paul Doherty
>> Systems Analyst/Programmer
>> http://www.dfw.net/~pdoherty
>> Home of PC DiskMaster
>
>Yes, it was created here, but *Americans* didn't envent anything, all the
>scientist and programmers (or the great majority of them) are either
>immigrants (i.e. are NOT americans, or are not of "american" nationality
>(if there is such a thing)) or simly are working for big buck american
>companies here but do not consider themselves as americans.
>
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From: "Wael Sedky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]*>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: Help, Kernel too big
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:10:52 -0800
No unfortunately it didn't make the file a bit smaller.
Iam using a PPro on a supermicro motherboard with 32MB and 1GB partition
>Try make bzImage.
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:11:44 -0800
From: Al Tuttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Help! Something broke with Libc6
I keep having trouble with various programs. I get an error.
Like when I try to install StarOffice.. it looks like this:
Hudson:# ./setup
./setup: error in loading shared libraries
/usr/i486-linux-libc6/lib/libc.so.6: undefined symbol: _dl_profile
I've seen this error now weveral times. The first time was after I had
tried to install Aterm from a .rpm package (I use SuSE). When I would
try to run Aterm, I would get that message. The error might not have
anything to do with the install of Aterm, but I never saw it before.
Since that time, three other programs now give me the error, and doom
and another game crash X now where they didn't before.
Is there a guru out there that can help me fix this?
Thanks,
-al
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: A newbie versus "vi" [HOLY WARS ALERT]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:02:07 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 25 Jan 1999 07:34:48 -0500...
..and Alexander Viro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Personally, I hope that they will soon get to switch to Guile as their Emacs
> >Lisp interpreter (yep, they are planning an Elisp front-end). Then, the next
> >goal will be multithreading, which would be a tremendous feat. Of course it
> >would require having everything made reentrant. I don't expect this to
> >happen before 2000 or 2001.
> Yeah, right. And DOS will be able to get rid of its warts as soon as
> all DOS applications will be rewritten to use only clean part of API.
Blabber, blabber, blabber... Here, see, I rigged a plonkmetre for you.
> Please,
> get real. Support for multi-threaded stuff - maybe. But then it will duplicate
> the old stuff, not replace it. And EMACS is already huge.
I have seen respective postings from Emacs developers. I see no reason why
Emacs shouldn't switch to Guile. Multi-threading is a different issue.
> >But it's on the roadmap, just as making Emacs export functionality via CORBA
> >and integrating Emacs into Gnome is.
>
> WHAT? So it will be unable to run without *that* stuff?
You get things backwards. It will have a Gnome front-end as well as an X
front-end as well as a console front-end. BTW, I hope they will modularise
these front-ends, three in a monolithic binary is a bit over the top.
> Why don't you
> put it into the kernel (Hurd, preferably) and be done with that? Damn, GNU
> did a lot of useful things, but somebody *really* ought to clue RMS on the
> meaning of word "elegance".
Enlighten yourself on some Emacs newsgroups, I'll stop bothering about you.
> Sheesh... Just let me find a spare month. Nvi already has hooks
> for imbedded interpreters (Perl and Tcl are done) and making them dynamically
> (un)loadable isn't too hard. Then - glue for Lazy ML and there we go. Bet
> that footprint with LML stuff loaded will be at least 10 times smaller than
> for EMACS.
vim is a bit more than one third of Emacs' size with Perl, Python and Tcl
bindings. I don't know about nvi.
mawa
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Matthias Warkus | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dyson Spheres for sale!
My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
lowers your social status...
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From: "George Georgakis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: Help, Kernel too big
Date: 26 Jan 1999 03:49:54 GMT
Try make bzImage.
George
Wael Sedky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]*> wrote in article
<byar2.352$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> I compiled my kernel 2.0.35 with the default options plus some really few
> others (sound & printer) options.
>
> After I update my lilo.conf and type "lilo" I get an error "Kernel too
big"
> It is about 1M I think!! What do I do. I don't think I can make it
smaller
> than that. Should I delete the old one?
>
> Please email
> Thanks
>
>
>
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From: Michael Tin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Please HELP!!! PPPD is driving me mad!!!!
Date: 26 Jan 1999 03:43:58 GMT
I have tried and tried to connect to AT&T worldnet with pppd.
I cant even conect once!!!!
For one thing, my modem doesnt even dial. What is the directory in /dev
if my modem is setup on com4???
What is the proper way to login using CHAP????
What is the proper command line to use with PPPD???
My system INFO:
K-5 133MHZ
32M Ram
6.8 GB HDD
33.6 modem on COM2(PNP)
Dual boot: Linux/Win95
I cant get my modem to dial in PPPD, but it does in minicom. It is
dreadfully slow to do anything in minicom though.
I have read almost all the PPP HOWTOs but I am still completely
confused.
Please Help!!!
Thanks in advance,
Mike Tin
P.S. I am using AT&T Worldnet service
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From: "al" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: Help, Kernel too big
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:51:32 +1100
1Mb thats not that large but you don't say what hardware your running on.
make sure you followed the steps in the kernal howto or readme file with the
kernal
http://www.linux-howto.com/LDP/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX-3.html#ss3.1 index of howto
sites
http://www.linux-howto.com/LDP/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO.html kernal howto
make config
make dep
make clean
make zImage or make zdisk(compiles the kernal and places it on floppy disk-
handy for testing)
make zlilo
for the latest 2.2.0 pre release kernals you can also do make bzimage which
makes a smaller kernal
suggest first thing for you to do is get a copy of the kernal howto from
Wael Sedky wrote in message ...
>I compiled my kernel 2.0.35 with the default options plus some really few
>others (sound & printer) options.
>
>After I update my lilo.conf and type "lilo" I get an error "Kernel too big"
>It is about 1M I think!! What do I do. I don't think I can make it smaller
>than that. Should I delete the old one?
>
>Please email
>Thanks
>
>
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do I read open source code CD Redhat 5.2?
Date: 26 Jan 1999 05:02:25 GMT
Stuart Updegrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Kangoroo wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
: :I have a RedHat 5.2 CD #2 for open source code. I try open it in the
: :.doc format in Win98, but can't read it. I assume Linux source code
: :written in C, so its file has .c extension. Do I need to have C program
: :software in Win98 to read it? In Linux OS, after mount CD-ROM, do I
: :just type cat filename.c and read it? Thanks for any help.
: Any basic text editor in either Windows or Linux should allow you to read .c
: files.
This is a complete guess, but I think syzygy is talking about how to unpack
SRPMs in order to get at the .c files inside.
[Note: not having RH I'm not even sure that what I just said makes sense.]
jg
--
"don't listen when you're told / about the best days in your life : Spirit of
a useless old expression, it means / passing time until you die." : the West
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-- John Girash --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://skyron.harvard.edu/ --
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