Linux-Misc Digest #764, Volume #25 Thu, 14 Sep 00 18:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: file cluster badly computed ... (Philipp Zambelli)
Debian 2.2 - Alpha Kernel Woes ("Christopher A. Stevens")
Re: gnome or kde? (John Hasler)
GNU ld question ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why Does the EXT2 filesystem not need defragmentation. (Johan Kullstam)
As of right now I dedicate my life to linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: you can turn the power off now (Johan Kullstam)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (jabali)
Re: Firewall (Robert Clayton)
Sendmail ("Rodolpho H. O. Eckhardt")
Re: Scripting SSH (Ernst-Udo Wallenborn)
Re: Sendmail (Jan Johansson)
Re: binfmt_misc (Aitzgorri)
Re: NEED SIS6326AGP VIDEOCARD DRIVER FOR LINUX!!! ("Web Enthusiast")
Filtering Navigator printing (TM)
Re: what is the ORB? (Chris J/#6)
Re: Why linux kernel is compressed? (Robert Heller)
Re: LILO Hangs (Robert Heller)
Re: As of right now I dedicate my life to linux ("Jason")
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Ernst-Udo Wallenborn)
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From: Philipp Zambelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: file cluster badly computed ...
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:49:41 +0200
> Philipp Zambelli wrote:
> >
> > i have just moved to a 2.2.16 kernel and now i get these
> >
> > "kernel: file_cluster badly computed!!! 29 <> 30"
> >
> > messages in /var/log/messages.
> >
The Darkener wrote:
>
> Wild, off the wall guess - have you tried using scandisk on the fat
> partition? Maybe it's just complaining about lost clusters....?
seems to be the solution. i did a scandisk on all my fats and since then
no new ugly messages appeared in my syslog file.
if someone knows the real reason or if someone knows that it is really
right
that the lost clusters are to blame let me please know.
thanks a lot
philipp
--
Philipp Zambelli <zaphi at gmx dot at>
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From: "Christopher A. Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.ports.alpha,linux.debian.user
Subject: Debian 2.2 - Alpha Kernel Woes
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:21:16 -0400
I installed Debian 2.2 on an AlphaServer 2100 4/233. I used "rsync" to
get the Official NONUS CD Images. The installation kernel 2.2.17
generic works ok.
The HOWTO's/FAQ's and /proc/cpuinfo all claim my system is a "sable"
machine. So I tried the 2.2.13-sable package, the only sable package I
could find. Won't boot.
I also want to enable SMP support, so I tried the 2.2.15-SMP package
(only SMP package I could find). Boot's, but the kernel crashes about
3-5 seconds after booting.
Ok, so I decided to compile my own kernel (which I have done many times
on i386 slackware). I installed the 2.2.17 source package. I can
compile, but nothing will boot. I have tried both generic/sable
options, I have tried both SMP/NON-SMP options. I have turned just
about everthing off, except for necessary item, but nothing works. I
know it can be done since the installation kernel works.
So I am stuck with a NON-SMP kernel. Please let me know if you have any
ideas!! Thanks
--
Christopher A. Stevens
Navigation/Data Reduction
Voice (301) 757-9575 Fax (301) 342-4745
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gnome or kde?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:07:15 GMT
Patton Echols writes:
> KDE is also a collection of libraries and UI standards, but based on a
> somewhat simpler non-free core library named QT.
Qt 2 is free software. The most recent version is even GPL.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: GNU ld question
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:23:05 GMT
Greetings,
I am attempting to statically link a large program with some Xwindows
libraries on Redhat 6.2 using the latest version of the GNU linker.
After compiling with c, attempt to link program statically, and get a 1-
line error message:
"/usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value"
???
Checked the man page -- nothing on this message.
Went to the on-line manual at www.fsf.org -- nothin'.
So I came to you.
Has anyone seen this error before? If so, what does it mean?
Also, how do I fix it?
Thanks in advance for your assistance.
Respectfully,
Brian P.
PS. If this is not the appropriate group for this message, please re-
direct. Again, thanks. -- BDP.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Subject: Re: Why Does the EXT2 filesystem not need defragmentation.
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Sep 2000 16:31:46 -0400
Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> That is true fact. But (and this is a serious question because
> I don't have enough experience with Microsoft OS's to know) does
> anyone actually use DOS's FAT for anything other than floppies
> anymore?
oh yes, MS is still using FAT. windows 9[58] doesn't have any other
filesystem (unless you count cd-rom iso9660). windows 9[58] uses FAT
(aka FAT16) and the newer FAT32 (which afaik is just FAT with more
bits in various allowing for more and hence smaller disk chunks).
windows NT has FAT16 and NTFS. NT does not do FAT32.
MS-DOS does neither FAT32 nor NTFS.
> Granted that everything MS has done since is grossly
> hampered by some form of backward compatibility, and thus also
> can be described as ignoring well understood design principles
> used by everyone else, but regardless those are the filesystems
> to compare to in this case, not MS-DOS "FAT".
there's not much excuse for MS not producing a better filesystem.
FAT32 broke compatibility with either DOS or NT. they may as well
have fielded a decent FS. i guess marketing figured that a lousy FS
would drive more people into the big buy of NT.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
sysengr
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: As of right now I dedicate my life to linux
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:44:00 GMT
As of right now I dedicate my life to linux
This is it, I am sick of windows and I am removing it from all my
computers. for years I been using linux and unix on and off. but not I
am going to learn linux and become a pro.
If anyone can please email me some tips, comments or help. please do
send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Before you buy.
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Subject: Re: you can turn the power off now
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Sep 2000 16:55:06 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) writes:
> In our last episode (Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:19:42 GMT),
> the artist formerly known as Quentin Christensen said:
> >This thread reminds me of something i've been meaning to look at / fix for
> >awhile... My (slackware) linux doesn't appear to have ANY shutdown
> >command, most advice here talks about the shutdown command... but I don't
> >have one! The only way I can (think of) shut down my system is the three
> >finger salute and power off when it's rebooting in the BIOS...
>
> The method I'd generally use is to use the "shutdown" command; it's a
> pretty standard Unix command that exists on a diverse set of versions
> of Unix.
>
> I would find it remarkable to the point of being astounded to hear
> that Slackware _didn't_ include it either as /sbin/shutdown or
> /usr/sbin/shutdown. Somehow, I think you are doing something wrong if
> you aren't able to run it.
when i was first doing unix, it was /etc/shutdown
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
sysengr
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From: jabali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:44:56 +0100
Lee Sau Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>So, why would any corporate buy MS Windows -- a non-clonable product?
You are mixing up hardware with software. All operating system software are
proprietary (excepting Linux of course) - single source product. Moreover, if
you have a copy of a software and can use it successfully, it is not that big a
problem if the company disappears. Well, you won't get any more updates - but
you can get an equivalent software from another source more or less at the same
price as an upgrade. For hardware it is different. If a single source hardware
company disappears, you are left with a problem of compatibility. Replacing
software wholesale is much cheaper than hardware.
--
jabali
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From: Robert Clayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Firewall
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:26:27 -0400
Is runlevel two a non-networking level?
RCC
Gitta Samuel wrote:
> I wrote a firewall script,made it executable but on rebooting i get this
> message,failed services in runlevel 2,firewall-setup firewall-final failed.
> The other thing I had ip -masq enabled but still got this message
> insmod:a module named ip_masq already exists.I had put something to enable
> ip_masq in my firewall script.
> Thanx in Advance.
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:45:08 -0300
From: "Rodolpho H. O. Eckhardt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Sendmail
I need some help.
Everytime sendmail tries to start it fails, i have reconfigured it, but
it still fails.
What could be wrong?
Thanks,
Rodolpho
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From: Ernst-Udo Wallenborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Scripting SSH
Date: 15 Sep 2000 01:30:25 +0200
Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Yes, you can. But it is not very secure. I mean, anything using Secure
> keys is supposed to have a prompt. But there is a very easy way around
> it. Create a password flat file and store it anywhere on the server you
> are connecting from. You can use this syntax:
>
> scp file.file user@blah: </etc/password.scp
like this you have the clear text password lying around on your
harddisk. Huge security hole.
The better idea is RSAAuthentication. Say
ssh_keygen
on the client, follow the instructions and you will find your
public and private keys in ~/.ssh as identity and identity.pub.
you can add identity.pub to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote
machine and if everything is configured right the password
will not be needed. Note however, that if you did not protect
your private key with a passphrase (keygen asks for one)
you have won nothing since you now have an unprotected
identity file containing your private key, which is just as
bad. The way to escape this is called ssh-agent, with it
you have to enter the passphrase of the private key once per
login session and the agent makes sure that every ssh process
knows your key. This way someone who sits down at your machine
while you are logged in can still abuse your account, but after
you logged out, the computer will have forgotten your secret key.
More info on ssh-agent and RSAAuthorization can be found in your
friendly local ssh documentation.
--
Ernst-Udo Wallenborn
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From: Jan Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Sendmail
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:51:53 GMT
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:45:08 -0300, "Rodolpho H. O. Eckhardt"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I need some help.
>
>Everytime sendmail tries to start it fails, i have reconfigured it, but
>it still fails.
>What could be wrong?
Most likely:
1. Your box does not have a FQDN defined
2. There is no DNS to verify the ip/FQDN of the host.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aitzgorri)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.setup,fa.linux.kernel,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: binfmt_misc
Date: 14 Sep 2000 11:57:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Il Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:41:00 +0200, Tomas Kral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto
>How can I create binfmt_misc dir in /proc/sys/fs ?
>/proc is mounted with none device.
>
>I'd love to insert a few binary formats as described in
>/usr/src/linux/Documentation/binfmt_misc.txt while the support is
>compiled in as CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=m.
>
in /etc/rc.local I recall the script:
/etc/rc.d/associazioni
here it's content:
S*************
#!/bin/bash
/sbin/modprobe binfmt_misc
echo ':JPG:E::jpg::/usr/bin/gqview:' > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register
echo ':BMP:E::bmp::usr/bin/gqview:' > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register
echo ':TXT:E::txt::/usr/bin/vim:' > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register
echo ':PS:E::ps::/usr/X11R6/bin/gv:' > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register
E*************
in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/binfmt_misc.txt you'll find some examples.
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From: "Web Enthusiast" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NEED SIS6326AGP VIDEOCARD DRIVER FOR LINUX!!!
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:50:43 -0400
I think they're also available from Amptron's website. They sell mobos with
that graphic card built in.
www.amptron.com
Andy Kinsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> jfd wrote:
>
> > NEED SIS6326AGP VIDEOCARD DRIVER FOR LINUX!!!
> >
> > PLEASE, HELP!!
>
> jfd,
>
> If I'm not mistaken (help me out here, guys...), the drivers are located
> in the Xfree86 distribution. You didn't mention which Linux distribution
> (i.e. RedHat, Suse, Caldera, etc.) or version you were running. I
> believe Xfree86 version 3.3.3 or 3.3.6 has the 6326 drivers you need.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
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From: TM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Filtering Navigator printing
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:57:04 +0200
Hi,
I'd like to know how to filter the printing from Netscape Navigator
through something like enscript.
What I'm trying to get is some level of control over the number of
pages per sheet for instance.
Thanks
TM
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris J/#6)
Subject: Re: what is the ORB?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 14 Sep 2000 22:59:56 +0100
Bob McLaren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Or do you mean the Orb drive like the the Iomega Zip drive?
>
Or maybe The Orb - a music group who did techno/mellow stuff back in the
early to mid 90's here in the UK :)
Chris...
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why linux kernel is compressed?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:00:51 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
In a message on Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:38:43 GMT, wrote :
k> Hi!
k>
k> I'm curious that why the linux kernel is compressed, so everytime when
k> I log on, waste a little time to compress the kernel. As far as I know,
k> Windows NT or other operating systems's kernel is not compressed, just
k> a binary.
k>
k> Anyone can tell me why?
There are various reasons.
*In the old days* (before bootable CD-ROMS, etc.) and before modular
kernels, the whole kernel and all zillion or so drivers had to fit on
one 1.44meg floppy (actually the old Slackware systems' boot and root
floppies were built to be small enough to fit on a 1.2meg *5.25"*
floppy).
There is also a limitation with older BIOS's in terms of how big the
operating system load can be.
Windows NT is *not* loaded with the BIOS. NT uses a boot loader. Also,
I don't think NT is a proper *monolithic* type kernel (which Linux is).
NT's 'kernel32.dll' has less in it than what is in vmlinux, and is
probably smaller. NT is a very different beast, so it is not really a
meaningful comparison. (Windows 2000 is NT 5.x.)
Windows 9X and Windows ME are just like Windows 3.11 -- MS-DOS with a
GUI layer. The GUI layer is loaded *after* MS-DOS is loaded. (MS-DOS:
BDOS + Command.com). A Windows 9X boot floppy is a MS-DOS boot floppy.
I guessing a Windows ME is also a MS-DOS boot floppy.
OS-9000 (not to be confused with OS/2) is also tiny and is much more
modularized. It is a monolithic type kernel, but much more of what would
live in a Linux kernel is split off as loadable modules. OS-9000 is a
very pared down system.
I don't know about OS/2, but I expect it is much like Windows NT, or it
too might use a compressed kernel image (it might not *tell* you that,
however). Or it might be like Windows 9X.
I'm guessing that *BSD also uses a compressed kernel or else uses a more
clever boot loader. Ditto for SCO and Solaris 86.
It is possible that the main reason for a compressed kernel is for a
combinations of:
Boot floppy option (NT cannot be booted from a single floppy -- it takes *3*).
LILO / BIOS limitations and old system compatibility (eg. '386 boxes).
Unless you are on a '386 (in which case you have a small/slow disk,
limited memory and limited BIOS), the 'Uncompressing kernel....' flys by
almost too fast to see. In which case so what if it is compressed?
Effectively it is like a extra boot loader stage, which is what the other
'big' O/Ss are doing, but with more disk I/O...
k>
k> Thank you in advance.
k>
k>
k>
k> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
k> Before you buy.
k>
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO Hangs
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:00:52 GMT
"Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:08:39 -0400, wrote :
"> Hi,
">
"> I just installed an old IBM 486 machine with 24 MB RAM with my copy of
"> Mandrake Linux 6. I have three hard drives in it. For some reason, I
"> cannot boot from the hard disk. I get the letters "LI" up on the screen in
"> the upper left corner and that's it. The hard disk light says on for a few
"> seconds and the goes off and it just sits there. I can boot with my rescue
"> disk and then boot from /dev/hda1 but I have to use the floppy disk. Any
"> ideas why? How can I fix this?
How big is your disk? How is it partitioned? Is the root (/) or /boot
partitions extending beyond cylinder 1024? If so, you will need to
re-partition the disk. You *proabbly* can't use the newer lilo, since
your '486's BIOS is too old to support the extended (large disk) BIOS
calls. You can still use a large disk, but you need to make a small
/boot (say 5meg) or a small root (say 64meg) partition and put /usr,
/var, /home, etc. elsewhere on the disk. Only LILO is effected by the
older BIOS / cylinder 1024 problem. Once the kernel is loaded and
running, there is no cylinder 1024 problem and Linux will happily work
with a large disk (one *said* to be too large for a '486 system).
LILO stoping at LI means there is a geometry problem or you moved
/boot/boot.b without reruning LILO. You might need to add 'linear' to
/etc/lilo.conf or you just need to re-run lilo. Have you recently
upgraded or re-compiled the kernel? Did you re-run lilo afterwords?
">
"> Thanks,
">
"> Ken.
">
">
">
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Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Jason" <Jason(AT)cyborgworkshop.com>
Subject: Re: As of right now I dedicate my life to linux
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:03:11 -0500
few things that might help.
1. Make sure your linux box can access the internet. This is THE most
important. If you can't
get on the net, you cant get support.
2. TOTALLY get rid of windows after you are sure you can get on the net. If
you leave a
Windows box laying around saying "it's just for games" soon it will be,
"well that game was
fun, might as well check my email while Im here, and surf the web, and
etc"
3. Decide what you want Linux to do for you. Go into this with something
in mind.
for example, I want my linux box to stream MP3's for me in my house so
I can listen to
them just about anywhere. You will learn more when you have a goal.
4. Dont be afraid to ask for help. We all were beginners once too.
Good Luck
--
Jason
www.cyborgworkshop.com
...and the geek shall inherit the earth...
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From: Ernst-Udo Wallenborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: 15 Sep 2000 02:06:57 +0200
jabali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Lee Sau Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >So, why would any corporate buy MS Windows -- a non-clonable product?
> You are mixing up hardware with software. All operating system software are
> proprietary (excepting Linux of course) - single source product.
Thats why we need open standards for data exchange formats.
If all data was open you could just switch to another product and
if necessary write a converter. No such thing with proprietary
formats. Ask the companies who buy every release of MS Word
just to be able to read the email attachments their business
partners send them---who in turn of course bought the latest
and greates Word for the very same reason...
> Moreover, if
> you have a copy of a software and can use it successfully, it is not that big a
> problem if the company disappears.
That is not true. You buy new hardware, because it's better, or because
the old hardware broke down, and suddenly you find out that the
old software won't run on the new hardware, and now you can no
longer access the salary databases of the past 10 years since
you have no backup in a common format and the company you bought the
software from no longer exists and can't bail you out.
> Well, you won't get any more updates - but
> you can get an equivalent software from another source more or less at the same
> price as an upgrade. For hardware it is different. If a single source hardware
> company disappears, you are left with a problem of compatibility. Replacing
> software wholesale is much cheaper than hardware.
I doubt that.
--
Ernst-Udo Wallenborn
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