Linux-Misc Digest #768, Volume #24 Sat, 10 Jun 00 07:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Cut and Paste in Linux/KDE.... (The Almighty One)
Help setting up RH 6.2 with Cable Modem? ("Larry")
Re: Help setting up RH 6.2 with Cable Modem? (Akira Yamanita)
Re: Feature or bug? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true???? (Stephen E. Halpin)
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true???? (Stephen E. Halpin)
Re: Cut and Paste in Linux/KDE.... ("Peter T. Breuer")
where can i learn a fully information about linux? (jeffrey)
Re: What distribution is most popular? (Michael Daly)
Re: forgot root password (jeffrey)
CD and Zip icons on Gnome Desktop? (larry)
unknown error message ("Houppertz Xavier")
Re: Help setting up RH 6.2 with Cable Modem? (Larry)
Re: Only root can receive email (Anthony Campbell)
Re: Linux uses lots of memory? (M. Buchenrieder)
Linux Users' Group of Davis, June 19 - GnuCash (William Kendrick)
Can't start KDE as non-root (jesper)
Re: where can i learn a fully information about linux? (Patricia)
Can I use my USB Microsoft optical Intellimouse in X-Windows? ("Dr. Liew")
Re: Can't start KDE as non-root ("Peter T. Breuer")
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From: The Almighty One <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,nf.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Cut and Paste in Linux/KDE....
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:43:47 GMT
just pointing out that most users have a 2 button jobbie, and instructions should be
included for them, especially if you have customized your particular mouse / keyboard
...
Bob Martin wrote:
> The Almighty One wrote:
> >
> > there are only 2 buttons - no center button ... for most users ... again - the
> > ease of use of M$ global clipboarding ... would be a big thing if Linux GUI's
> > supported this ... K or G or others ... doesn't matter ... gotta get it in place
> > so users can start to get familiar with it and make it like M$ which users are
> > familiar with ... they can overlook/ignore a lot that they are not familiar with
> > but the basics such as ease of install/configuration/support MUST be addressed or
> > Linux will never fly ... global things must be immediately included or there will
> > be difficulties - even amongst IT which KNOWS that Linux is the superioir way to
> > go ...
>
> For two button mice you press both buttons at the same time for the
> center button, been that way for along time.
> --
>
> Bob Martin
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From: "Larry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Help setting up RH 6.2 with Cable Modem?
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:32:07 -0500
I have W98 running on a machine I'm also installing RH 6.2 on with a cable
modem (connected to an SMC EtherEZ 8416 ISA card). I cannot find out how to
tell RH about my networking setup. I have all the information but don't
know how to get Linux to recognize it.
Can someone either tell me how to set up this configuration or point me to a
doc site that would have this information?
Thanks,
Larry
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Help setting up RH 6.2 with Cable Modem?
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:52:22 GMT
Larry wrote:
>
> I have W98 running on a machine I'm also installing RH 6.2 on with a cable
> modem (connected to an SMC EtherEZ 8416 ISA card). I cannot find out how to
> tell RH about my networking setup. I have all the information but don't
> know how to get Linux to recognize it.
>
> Can someone either tell me how to set up this configuration or point me to a
> doc site that would have this information?
>
> Thanks,
> Larry
Use the smc-ultra module. Use netconf to configure the NIC.
Make sure you check the box for "Enabled." Select DHCP for
the "Config mode". Leave the IP address and network mask
parts blank. For "Net device" type in eth0. For "Kernel module"
type in "smc-ultra". Tab over to "Accept", Quit, and then
accept the changes.
You can put the name servers in /etc/resolv.conf but the
DHCP client should do that automatically.
In case you want to do it manually, your /etc/resolv.conf
should look something like this:
domain yourdomain.com
nameserver IP_of_first_name_server
nameserver IP_of_second_name_server
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Feature or bug?
Date: 10 Jun 2000 07:56:00 GMT
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I just terminated a bash shell by cating a pdf file. Is the shell
: supposed to execute commands in a file that you cat?
No, but it didn't. The xterm in which you run IS supposed to execute
ANSI commands echoed to the screen, and it did.
Headline: MS Word doc killed my xterm!
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen E. Halpin)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true????
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:17:27 GMT
On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:51:43 -0500, "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Stephen E. Halpin wrote:
>
>+ On Fri, 09 Jun 2000 16:35:40 GMT, Rich Teer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>+
>+ >On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Stephen E. Halpin wrote:
>+ >
>+ >> On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:23:07 GMT, "Toaster Tester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>+ >>
>+ >> >I have read a few comparision of Intel vs. RISC processor and they tend to
>+ >> >come up the same. For integer instructions on similar MHZ CPUs Intel and
>+ >> >RISC are usually even. Where Intel loses big is floating point
>+ >> >instructions, RISC runs circles around Intel on floating point.
>+ >>
>+ >> It depends on what you are doing, and which RISC. The shipping 300MHz
>+ >> MIPS parts, 450MHz UltraSPARC IIs and the PowerPCs are all slower than
>+ >> the 1GHz Pentium III for the SPECfp95 and SPECfp2000 tasks, and even
>+ >> the 440MHz 8600 PA-RISC part in the N4000 is slower on SPECfp2000_base.
>+ >
>+ >I'll not argue with this, but note that the original poster said
>+ >"... on similar MHZ CPUs ...". I wouldn't call 450 MHz "similar" to
>+ >1 GHz at all: it's more than double!
>+ >
>+ >I don't know, but how does Intel @ 450 MHz compare to the other processors
>+ >AT THE SAME CLOCK RATE? My guess would be similar integer performance,
>+ >and worse FP performance.
>+
>+ The statement "RISC runs circles around Intel on floating point"
>+ wasnt qualified. As for "the same clock rate", a quick scan of my
>+ Dell catalog reveals no desktop systems available at speeds as
>+ slow as 450MHz.. To me that says its a moot point to compare
>+ at the same clock rate when Suns fastest processors dont clock
>+ at as fast as Dells slowest desktops ($799 buys a fully configured
>+ Dell 667MHz PIII system with a monitor and fast ethernet adapter,
>+ compared to $5,500 for the 450MHz UltraSPARC II module (computer,
>+ memory, disk, monitor and software sold seperately. Ack.))
>
>Yes, but try accessing over 4G of real memory on an Intel processor
>with either Windows or Linux ( as it stands now ). You cannot.
>And as for clock speed, what does that mean really? CPU speed is
>not going to be your bottle-neck. I would be concerned more about
>bus speed, in which yes, SPARC's run circles around most Intels.
>SPARC's will run circles around Intel machines, they are designed
>to.
Again, the STREAMS numbers:
(from http://www.cs.virginia.edu/stream/standard/Bandwidth.html)
Sun_Ultra60-360 1 355.2 343.8 311.1 358.6
Intel_820_600B 1 379.2 386.4 448.5 448.4
Intel_440BX_600 1 342.2 340.2 412.0 409.2
The UPA bus on the Ultra60 at 360MHz is 120MHz, which I believe is
the fastest interface on the workstations and workgroup servers.
Given that it doesnt keep up with a mere 600MHz Pentium III on
the slower 820 (which has half the theoretical bandwidth of the
840) I wouldnt be making blanket statements about bandwidth in
all product catagories. Also, none of the workstations or the
workgroup servers can take more than 4GB of real memory, so in
this catagory, which represents the vast majority of the market
(everything from $50,000 on down) your comments on addressing
more than 4GB of RAM is moot in this segment.
When you want faster graphics than their custom 3D cards on
the UPA bus, you can upgrade to the faster Sun Expert3D based
on a PC graphics chip on the PCI bus, which (suprise suprise)
is a PC based bus which is faster than Suns Sbus. Its about
this time when someone usually jumps up to say Suns "flexible"
plastic cases are of far higher quality than steel box PC cases,
or that the same chips, disks and monitors which are used in PCs
are of higher quality because they are shipped in a box with the
Sun logo.
As for what the SPARC was designed for, even Suns management
is on the record from a few years back as saying they havent
been anywhere near the speed leader in a long time, but the
software base of Solaris is what keeps them in the number one
spot in the *NIX space. If performance and reliability were the
only concerns, Alpha and OpenVMS would have eaten the *NIX market
alive a very long time ago (does anyone remember the mid-1990s
when DOS could say "ABORT, RETRY, IGNORE?" on a floppy read
error, and yet Solaris 2.3 would reboot instantly without so
much as a kernel panic?)
As Ive said before, Ive deployed Suns in a number of applications
and I own a pretty substantial amount of Sun hardware and software.
They provide "the right tool" for many jobs, but there are many
more still for which they arent performance or price/performance
competative with the alternatives.
>Best Wishes,
>
>anm
>--
>/*-------------------------------------------------------.
>| Andrew N. McGuire |
>| [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
>`-------------------------------------------------------*/
-Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen E. Halpin)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true????
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:24:24 GMT
On Fri, 09 Jun 2000 18:58:31 -0700, John Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Andrew N. McGuire" wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Stephen E. Halpin wrote:
>>
>> + On Fri, 09 Jun 2000 16:35:40 GMT, Rich Teer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> +
>> + >On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Stephen E. Halpin wrote:
>> + >
>> + >> On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:23:07 GMT, "Toaster Tester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> + >>
>> + >> >I have read a few comparision of Intel vs. RISC processor and they tend to
>> + >> >come up the same. For integer instructions on similar MHZ CPUs Intel and
>> + >> >RISC are usually even. Where Intel loses big is floating point
>> + >> >instructions, RISC runs circles around Intel on floating point.
>> + >>
>
>> And as for clock speed, what does that mean really? CPU speed is
>> not going to be your bottle-neck. I would be concerned more about
>> bus speed, in which yes, SPARC's run circles around most Intels.
>> SPARC's will run circles around Intel machines, they are designed
>> to.
>
>OK, so is there a comparison of Intel systems to Sun hardware anywhere
>based on SPECfp95 or SPECfp2000 (or any other non clock speed bound
>measure)?
You can go to http://www.spec.org and lookup the numbers.. Youll see
the dual processor 800MHz Dell topping out the quad processor 450MHz
Ultra 80 and the quad processor 400MHz E450 on SPECint_rate95 among
other things. Whereas the Suns are running at the highest clock rates
available today, the Dell can be had with faster processors now.
>I've always thought that a Sparc LX felt as fast as a Pentium 60, an Ultra
>1 170 similar to a Pentium 133, etc, but have never found any numerical
>comparisons anywhere.
>
>Does anyone have one (even if it's informal)?
>
>Cheers,
>
>--
>john hagen ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>=================================
-Steve
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,nf.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Cut and Paste in Linux/KDE....
Date: 10 Jun 2000 08:29:21 GMT
The Almighty One <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: there are only 2 buttons - no center button ... for most users ... again - the
Hit both buttons together.
: ease of use of M$ global clipboarding ... would be a big thing if Linux GUI's
You are confused. That ctrl or alt V/C/X thing is unweildy. It's
far easier to swipe and click. It's the classical way. That MS fouled
up by making up a different and more difficult way is their problem.
Peter
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:55:29 -0700
From: jeffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: where can i learn a fully information about linux?
got any good site got a good tutorial about linux?
thanks
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From: Michael Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]*del*>
Subject: Re: What distribution is most popular?
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:56:10 +1200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*del*
"Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>: I think you're talking at cross purposes here.
>
>I'm not. He is. :-). I know quite well what he is saying and what he
>thinks he is saying and what he means to be saying, and what I am
>saying, etc. etc. And you do too!
Cor, I'm glad you figured it out, now I know what I was saying!
>
>: Michael seems to be describing a situation in which his monitor was not
>: included in the list provided by whatever X configuration utility he was
>
True indeed. It wasn't in the list the SuSE Yast tool provided for Dell,
so I just entered the refresh rates from the monitor manual.
What I was *trying* to say was that, although the Yast configuration
tool couldn't do everything for me, I was able to do the rest without a
degree in computer science :)
.
Michael Daly
http://crash.ihug.co.nz/~mikedaly
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:02:39 -0700
From: jeffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: forgot root password
when in the lilo boot,try to type linux single,i got try that before on
my redhat 6.2,hope it may help u.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have forgotten the root password (silly me), how
> do I get into the system without reinstall everything ?
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: CD and Zip icons on Gnome Desktop?
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:34:16 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is there a way to put icons for my CD and Zip drive on the Gnome
desktop? RH 6.2 installed a diskette icon when I originally setup
Linux but I've been unable to see how to add additional drive icons.
Also, if I have these two icons, can I just insert a disk (CD or Zip)
and then click on the icon for access to them?
Thanks,
Larry
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From: "Houppertz Xavier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: unknown error message
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:38:35 +0200
Hi there,
I get a weird error message on my server active TTY.
00:2000/06/08 10:47:21 kernel Cannot read, host process disconnected:
Spid:40
I can get up to 20 of those per day (some days, none).
Any idea what it is ? Is this bad ? If not can I prevent it to print it to
the screen instead of a log file ?
Help appreciated.
Thanks,
Xav.
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From: Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Help setting up RH 6.2 with Cable Modem?
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:44:01 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Akira Yamanita wrote:
> Larry wrote:
> >
> > I have W98 running on a machine I'm also installing RH 6.2 on with a cable
> > modem (connected to an SMC EtherEZ 8416 ISA card). I cannot find out how to
> > tell RH about my networking setup. I have all the information but don't
> > know how to get Linux to recognize it.
> >
>
> Use the smc-ultra module. Use netconf to configure the NIC.
> Make sure you check the box for "Enabled." Select DHCP for
> the "Config mode". Leave the IP address and network mask
> parts blank. For "Net device" type in eth0. For "Kernel module"
> type in "smc-ultra". Tab over to "Accept", Quit, and then
> accept the changes.
>
Thanks! That did it. Once I got into the netconf panel I found everything I
needed.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Campbell)
Subject: Re: Only root can receive email
Date: 10 Jun 2000 09:54:07 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:26:57 GMT, root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have finally managed to get online via my ethernet adapter. I know
>this is a very rudimentary question to
>some of you, and I haven't had the time to explore all system
>configurations on my end. My question is
>that root@mycomputer can receive and send email to/from the internet.
>All of the accounts
>that I created can email out to the internet, but upon receipt of a
>message addressed to any of those
>user accounts that I've created returns "User unknown." Telnetting to
>smtp port 25 of my computer and
>doing the vrfy username command also returns 'user unknown."
>
>I am currently running RedHat 6.2, and am using dhcp for host
>configuration. I have also tried to
>create a POP account for one of the users, but still no change. Do
>I need to configure
>routing to/from my computer? If so, why can root receive email from the
>internet but none of the others can?
>What do I need to be doing to get these other accounts to receive email?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Eric
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Do you have an /etc/aliases file, and have you run mkaliases on it? (I
can't remember how that is done in RedHat but there should be something
similar). Unless you have these aliases, the mail will be rejected.
You can try this out locally by sending internal mail to the users on
your system.
Anthony
--
Anthony Campbell - running Linux Debian 2.1 (Windows-free zone)
Book Reviews: http://www.pentelikon.freeserve.co.uk/bookreviews/
Skeptical articles: http://www.freethinker.uklinux.net/
"To be forced by desire into any unwarrantable belief is a calamity."
I.A. Richards
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: Linux uses lots of memory?
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:49:06 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb) writes:
>On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 06:53:17 GMT, M. Buchenrieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Yes, you can get away with 20MB, using e.g. icewm or fvwm2 as your
>>window manager. But what else do you have to run to make it "usable"?
> rxvt
Ok. Point taken :)
[...]
> X allows me to do something that nothing but splitvt does and it does it
>pooly. Oooh, look, two ttys at once. One has a man page in it for me to
>refer off of while the other has the actual editing I want to do in it. I
>also happen to /like/ sticky focus.
[...]
Yes, splitvt is a nice tool, though I'd still consider it to be more
useful if doing it on two (or more) virtual terminals without X
running (but then, I do have a non-standard keyboard where all the
F* keys are on the right side - 22 of them, actually).
Cheers
Michael
--
Michael Buchenrieder * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.muc.de/~mibu
Lumber Cartel Unit #456 (TINLC) & Official Netscum
Note: If you want me to send you email, don't munge your address.
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From: William Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Users' Group of Davis, June 19 - GnuCash
Crossposted-To:
sac.announce,ucd.general,sacramento.internet,sac.general,sac.internet,ucd.life,ucd.cs.club
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:27:11 GMT
For immediate release:
======================
LUGOD, The Linux Users' Group of Davis, will hold its next meeting on:
Monday
June 19, 2000
6:30pm
The meeting will be held at:
Z-World, Inc.
2900 Spafford Street
Davis, CA 95616
The topic will be:
"GnuCash"
presented by Dave Peticolas of UC Davis
GnuCash is an easy-to-use yet powerful personal-finance package
for Unix. It provides support for double entry, splits, income/expense
accounts, stock and currency trading, and more.
GnuCash is meant to be an Open Source alternative to the popular commercial
"Quicken" software.
Dave Peticolas has been described as a person who "adds a feature [to GnuCash]
with just about every waking breath."
For details on this meeting, maps, directions, public transportation
schedules, etc., visit:
http://www.lugod.org/meeting/
LUGOD is a non-profit organization dedicated to the
Linux Operating System which meets twice a month in Davis, CA.
Please visit our website for details:
http://www.lugod.org/
###
-bill!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.lugod.org/
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From: jesper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can't start KDE as non-root
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:30:04 GMT
Hi.
I've compiled KDE 2 beta 1. (On A LFS)
As root, evrything works fine, i run startx, which run
xinitrc, which runs /usr/kde/bin/startkde. And KDE runs.
As non-root tho' it doesnot work.
I'm a newbie, regarding "Xauthoritys" and
".ICEauththority." I suppose theese are the issues to my problems.
Anybody knows anything.
Thanks in advance, for any help
Jesper
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: Patricia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: where can i learn a fully information about linux?
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:48:53 +0200
On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, jeffrey wrote:
>got any good site got a good tutorial about linux?
Jeffrey
take a look at:
http://www.crosswinds.net/~beginnerslinux
http://www.linuxdot.org/
http://www.linuxnewbie.org/
http://www.linuxstart.com/
http://linux.davecentral.com T
http://www.searchlinux.com
http://www.linux-howto.com
http://www.linuxdoc.org
http://www.patoche.org/LTT/
http://www.rpmfind.net/
http://linux.davecentral.com
http://freshmeat.net
http://powerlinux.linuxberg.com/index.html
http://www.tuxfinder.com
ftp://ftp.metalab.unc.edu/
http://www.linuxgazette.com/
http://www.linuxjournal.com/
http://www.thebits.co.uk/tlb/
--
Good Luck
Patricia
ICQ 69588792
http://beginnerslinux.org
http://www.crosswinds.net/~beginnerslinux
Red Hat Linux release 6.0 (Hedwig)
Kernel 2.2.5-15
12:51pm up 8:55, 1 user, load average: 1.48, 1.39, 1.31
Sat Jun 10 12:51:01 CEST 2000
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From: "Dr. Liew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can I use my USB Microsoft optical Intellimouse in X-Windows?
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:55:01 +0800
I have a USB mouse that I would like to use in X-Windows.
Help appreciated.
Thank you.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't start KDE as non-root
Date: 10 Jun 2000 10:56:10 GMT
jesper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I've compiled KDE 2 beta 1. (On A LFS)
: As root, evrything works fine, i run startx, which run
: xinitrc, which runs /usr/kde/bin/startkde. And KDE runs.
: As non-root tho' it doesnot work.
Post the error messages.
: I'm a newbie, regarding "Xauthoritys" and
: ".ICEauththority." I suppose theese are the issues to my problems.
No. Don't worry about it. Just make sure that you own your home dir:
chown `whoami` -R ~
It rather sounds as though your X server isn't suid root. That's not
a problem, but we need to know. Please do
ls -l /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA (or whatever your server is)
ls -l /usr/X11R6/bin/Xwrapper
and post the results.
Peter
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