Linux-Misc Digest #768, Volume #18 Tue, 26 Jan 99 13:13:18 EST
Contents:
Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code (Chris Mikkelson)
Re: micro-distributions (Mark Stolz)
Re: Yacc/Lex vs Bison/Flex (David R. Conrad)
WordPerfect 8 and composing characters (Ian Macdonald)
Re: FreeBSD and Linux benchmarks (Rahul Dhesi)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ("Will Brickles")
Re: WOW LotusNotes on Linux (David R. Conrad)
Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Suppressing named messages.. (Thomas Boggs)
Re: LILO problem with win98 (Redhat) ("Michael Walker")
Lost my KDM... Help! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: /dev/dsp What the.... (Dan Nguyen)
Re: Re: How do I read open source code CD Redhat 5.2? (Robert Heller)
Re: All systems go! ("Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus")
Re: StarOffice and Microsoft Office (David Rogoff)
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Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Mikkelson)
Date: 26 Jan 1999 09:57:18 +0600
In article <78kn71$5rp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mr S A Penny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>then how did he become a father?
A "General Protection Fault" perhaps?
;-)
-Chris
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From: Mark Stolz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: micro-distributions
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:44:49 +0000
John Hasler wrote:
>
> Gamma Rat writes:
> > I am thinking of installing a very small linux distribution on an old
> > 386-SX with 2 MB of RAM and about 170 MB of disk. I would be using it
> > almost exclusively to rlogin/telnet to another machine. The purpose of
> > this would be to give me what amounts to a terminal with 12 virtual
> > screens. I would like reccommendations for very small linux
> > distributions that would fit on a few floppy disks, and would work on the
> > machine described above, along with URL's where I could get them.
>
> www.debian.org. Install the base system from floppies and then add a few
> selected packages.
Doesn't Linux *require* a minimum of 4 Megs of physical RAM to run (at least
that's what I've read in all the install docs and FAQs)? Mind you, I've never
tried installing on a machine w/less than 8 megs, which is why I'm asking.
--Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David R. Conrad)
Subject: Re: Yacc/Lex vs Bison/Flex
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:26:20 GMT
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:17:45 GMT,
Timothy J. Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>|... The supplier's best guess is that it's caused
>|by incompatibilities between the "bison/flex" combo used on Linux, and
>|the "yacc/lex" combo they designed it to use while installing. In
>|particularly, it looks as though it's the flex/lex that's causing the
>|problem, although it's hard to say.
>
>Try "flex -l".
>
>See "man flex" for details on what the -l option for flex does,
>and what incompatibilities there are between lex and flex.
>
>For yacc, you may want byacc as well as bison, though yacc / byacc /
>bison compatibility seems to be less of a problem than lex / flex
>compatibility.
Good advice, but if it doesn't work then you might be able to get them
to give you the pre-lex-processed source file(s).
--
David R. Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
This is why I love America -- that any kid can dream "I'm going to get
naked with the President" ... and that dream can actually come true.
What a great country! -- Michael Moore
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Macdonald)
Subject: WordPerfect 8 and composing characters
Date: 24 Jan 1999 21:10:42 GMT
Hi,
I'm running WordPerfect 8 Personal Edition and would like to know how
to get the Compose key working. Inserting accented letters via
Insert | Symbol or C-w is just too cumbersome.
The online .PDF manual makes mention of using C-v as the Compose key,
but in reality this is mapped to Paste, just as it is in the Windows
version. I suspect that section of the manual is a leftover from
either WP 7 or the generic Unix version, which probably doesn't mimic
Windows.
The printed manual oddly doesn't make any mention of Compose
functionality in all of its 700+ pages.
Another thing promised as present in the Personal Edition but missing
from the download, is the 130 fonts. Where the hell are they? I can't
find any fonts that I didn't already have when I was using the
download version, which can't be more than 20 or so. Running the font
installer (xwpfi) also doesn't seem to find any extra fonts.
Anyone got a clue on how to solve these mysteries?
Ian
--
Ian Macdonald | I base my fashion taste on what doesn't
http://www.caliban.org/ | itch. -- Gilda Radner
PGP key: 396D16C1 |
Linux 2.0.36 on an i686 |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rahul Dhesi)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Linux benchmarks
Date: 24 Jan 1999 21:17:03 GMT
In <78f826$7ns$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim
Smith) writes:
>>(Compare THAT to Microsoft's 6 Gb of downloads per day on 3
>>ppro 200 machines!)
>...to dynamic content in small chunks. These are completely different kinds
>loads, and place completely different demands on the system.
Essentially all of content served up by Microsoft is fundamentally
static. They gratuitously make it dynamic for no obvious reason.
>Hotmail uses a Sun operating system on Sun hardware.
>>a nice story somewhere about how Microsoft tried to replace FreeBSD with NT
>>on Hotmail... But NT just didn't cut it.
>No one who has thought about it believes that story, though.
Did you look at the charts in Microsoft's document at the URL below?
Until they added a front-end to bypass bad servers, they had not a
single day of 100% uptime. The ONLY way to make NT reliably serve web
pages is to keep detecting bad servers and removing them from service.
http://www.microsoft.com/misc/backstage/solutions.htm
--
Rahul Dhesi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Will Brickles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:12:23 -0500
Chris Snyder wrote in message ...
>I agree. I heard that NT5(win2000) will require a Pentium 2 and 128 MB
RAM.
>I'm currently running Linux on a 486SX 25 with 16MB RAM
>
Wrong, I have NT5.0 Beta 2 and the requirements for Server is 64 MB and
Workstation is 32 (I believe, maybe 16).
Because of NDA, I can't tell you that I haven't been able to install it yet
:) But it is a Beta and has a lot of cool features. I'll wait and see
though...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David R. Conrad)
Subject: Re: WOW LotusNotes on Linux
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:10:57 GMT
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999 03:31:49 GMT,
Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>ii) By using the encryption capabilities, the data is made somewhat more
>secure against "hostile loss." Thus, if the Men in Black Hats rip off
>your laptop (or the thieves at the airport), it is likely to be more
>trouble than it's worth to actually make use of any of the data.
IIRC Lotus Notes uses 64-bit encryption. Since 56-bit encryption was
just cracked in 22 hours 30 minutes or so, 64-bit would be good for
about 240 days. But that's at the rate of keys/sec that Deep Crack +
distributed.net got. The MIB could probably break Lotus Notes in no
more than a few weeks. (And doesn't Notes reveal some of the key bits
to reduce the work factor? It might not be more than about 40 bits to
the MIB, which could be broken in an hour or so.)
I wouldn't trust Lotus Notes unless you just want to keep secrets from
your kid sister.
--
David R. Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
This is why I love America -- that any kid can dream "I'm going to get
naked with the President" ... and that dream can actually come true.
What a great country! -- Michael Moore
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:14:19 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams) wrote:
> [Snipped for brevity, quoted material marked with ">"]
> On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:27:28 +0000, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >It doesn't matter. Almost every internet key word search ends up at
> >either at "hot teens" or a lesbian chatroom anyway, who is going to look
> >a news group posting.
>
> Yeah, it bites, doesn't it. A year ago you could actually find
> something on AltaVista. Now you just find a billion or two references
> to unrelated stuff that happens to match your search keys. Time for
> some new-tech methinks. -steve
http://google.com/
I use it almost exclusively now. Much more relevant results than altavista.
--
"It seems certain that much of the success of Unix follows from the
readability, modifiability, and portability of its software."
-- Dennis M. Ritchie, September, 1979
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From: Thomas Boggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suppressing named messages..
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:08:19 -0500
Enkidu wrote:
> Would the kind person who posted on how to suppress the named
> messages please repost? Thanks! I've read the docs, but I'm
> obviously missing something. (A brain cell or three?) No
> debugging is switched on in named.
>
> Cliff
I'm not that kind person, but I am the one who posted the question. The
response I got is included below.
-thomas
Thomas Boggs wrote:
>
> named keeps sending messages to /var/log/messages, such as
>
> Jan 20 08:02:18 riemann named[275]: Cleaned cache of 0 RRs
> Jan 20 08:02:19 riemann named[275]: USAGE 916837339 916761737
> CPU=0.02u/0.04s CHILDCPU=0u/0s
> Jan 20 08:02:19 riemann named[275]: NSTATS 916837339 916761737
> Jan 20 08:02:19 riemann named[275]: XSTATS 916837339 916761737 RR=1
> RNXD=0 RFwdR=0 RDupR=0 RFail=0 RFErr=0 RErr=0 RAXFR=0 RLame=0 ROpts=0
> SSysQ=1 SAns=0 SFwdQ=0 SDupQ=0 SErr=0 RQ=0 RIQ=0 RFwdQ=0 RDupQ=0
RTCP=0
> SFwdR=0 SFail=0 SFErr=0 SNaAns=0 SNXD=0
>
> How can I keep all these named messages out but still include other
info
> level messages?
Firstly, turn off named statistics:
In /etc/named.conf say
options {
statistics-interval 0;
};
Secondly, configure named to output messages you don't want to see to a
lower log severity. Since your idea of what is worth seeing may differ
from my idea, see:
http://www.isc.org/bind8/logging.html
Cheers,
Glen
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From: "Michael Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO problem with win98 (Redhat)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:58:50 -0600
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
You might also want to go into the laptop's BIOS and make sure that the
"Virus Warning" is disabled. I'm not sure if the Sony's BIOS has such a
setting, but this has been the source of grief for quite a few failed LILO
updates that I know of. The "virus warning' prevents any programs from
writing to the MBR of the drive in question.
Felix Lam wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> hi there,
>
>As a newbie in Linux, I tried installing redhat 5.1 on the
>Sony Vaio 505 notebook. After days and nights, it finally
>installed ... :)
>
>The problem now is with booting my linux kernel. Booting
>off disk is fine, but no luck with lilo. When I went thru the
>step of setting up lilo during installation, it always reported
>"an error has happened ..." and I eventually aborted this step.
>
>I have fiddled with my /etc/lilo.conf file but with no luck.
>It always boot straight into win98 instead. When I run /sbin/lilo
>, it always return
>
>Added Linux *
>Partition entry not found.
>
>Here is a copy of my lilo.conf
>
>boot=/dev/hda
>map=/boot/map
>prompt
>timeout=50
>image=/boot/vmlinuz
> label=linux
> root=/dev/hda5
> read-only
>other=/dev/hda1
> label=win98
> table=/dev/hda
>
>Thanks a lot in advance. It has been bugging me many nights now ... :(
>
>P.S. When I run fdisk in Linux, it reports "unknown" type for my win98
>partition, will this have anything with this problem??
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Lost my KDM... Help!
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:01:56 GMT
Hi All!
The last few weeks had been very wonderful with my
Linux box going rock solid until last night when I did something
stupid. I tried to give a little tweak to my XF86Config file to optimize
X but I don't know what have I done because after I did a reboot,
my KDM graphical login was gone. Fortunately, before modifying the
F86Config file, I made a copy of it just in case something goes wrong.
I tried to over write the file I modified with the backup but the problem
still remains.
I can still login on the console screen and do the startx command
and I can get the X Windowing System to run with out any problems.
I want my KDM back but how?
I tried to use the XDM by inserting a line in my /etc/inittab file :
x:5:respawn:/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm -nodaemon
#x:5:respawn:/opt/kde/bin/kdm -nodaemon
but still no joy. I checked my /var/log/xdm-error.log and this is what it
says:
xdm error (pid 433): server /usr/X11R6/bin/X cannot be executed
_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2
and it keeps on repeating. I also check the processes running and xdm is
one of them. What shall I do now? I have labored hard to make it look
attactive to my friends eyes and in so doing, I'm advocating Linux to the
doubters. Anyone can rescue me? I'm running on a Linux-Mandrake
5.2 with KDE. Thanks in advance.
Bud
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From: Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: /dev/dsp What the....
Date: 26 Jan 1999 12:36:18 GMT
Wael Sedky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]*> wrote:
: Just a suggestion, because I have the same problem with slackware 3.6.
: After compiling the kernel, you have to copy vmlinux to /
: and after modifying lilo for the new name, you have to type
: "lilo"
No... You don't copy vmlinux to / . I need to copy your zimage from
/KERNEL_TREE/linux/arch/YOUR_ARCH/boot/zimage
--
Dan Nguyen | There is only one happiness in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | life, to love and be loved.
http://www.cse.msu.edu/~nguyend7 | -George Sand
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Subject: Re: Re: How do I read open source code CD Redhat 5.2?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Heller)
Date: 26 Jan 1999 08:32:21 -0500
John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on 26 Jan 1999 05:02:25 GMT, wrote :
JG> Stuart Updegrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
JG> : Kangoroo wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
JG>
JG> : :I have a RedHat 5.2 CD #2 for open source code. I try open it in the
JG> : :.doc format in Win98, but can't read it. I assume Linux source code
JG> : :written in C, so its file has .c extension. Do I need to have C program
JG> : :software in Win98 to read it? In Linux OS, after mount CD-ROM, do I
JG> : :just type cat filename.c and read it? Thanks for any help.
JG>
JG> : Any basic text editor in either Windows or Linux should allow you to read .c
JG> : files.
JG>
JG> This is a complete guess, but I think syzygy is talking about how to unpack
JG> SRPMs in order to get at the .c files inside.
JG>
JG> [Note: not having RH I'm not even sure that what I just said makes sense.]
JG> jg
No, you have it mostly right. On RH's CD #2 is a directory "SRPMS" full
of .rpm files, which need to be "installed" with the RH Linux rpm
command. This needs to be done under Linux. The files get installed
under /usr/src/redhat. Once there they are typically GZip'ed tar files
along with maybe some GZip'ed patch files and other stuff needed to
build the package under RH Linux. The next step would be to unpack the
GZip'ed tar files (generally in /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/), which will
yield the C and C++ files, along with header files, makefiles, configure
files, and so on. To view this under Win98, you'll have to copy the
selected files to a Windows readable partition (eg FAT16 or FAT32). Or
you can use more, less, vi, jed, jove, or emacs to view the files under
Linux.
Note: All of the code that is on RH's CD #2 is available on the net as
plain GZip'ed tar files (eg. foo.tar.gz), which can be downloaded and
unpacked with WinZip directly under Win98. These files may not be
*exactly* what you have running under Linux -- their may have been RH
Linux specific patches applied and things might have been adjusted as
part of the source configuration process, but for the most part, the
code should be pretty much the same as the running system version.
JG>
JG> --
JG> "don't listen when you're told / about the best days in your life : Spirit of
JG> a useless old expression, it means / passing time until you die." : the West
JG> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
JG> -- John Girash --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://skyron.harvard.edu/ --
JG>
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From: "Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: All systems go!
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:13:35 +1100
G'day...
> Okay, it sounds like my system will run Redhat 5.2 (Need a new modem
> though). So, besides going out and buying an expensive book, does
> anyone know of a reliable, good online text on the step by step
> instructions on how to install RedHat 5.2? I really don't want to
> search for one, because I am not sure if it will be good or not. I
> have yet to receive the CD, but will there be a text that I can use
> that is included on the CD?
RH5.2 is fairly well documented. Check out the CD with your favourite
web browser first.
It has pretty easy to follow instructions and is really easy to install.
All the best...
Michael.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Rogoff)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: StarOffice and Microsoft Office
Date: 26 Jan 1999 09:45:08 PST
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith) wrote:
>
>Most commercial software for commercial versions of UNIX is more expensive
>than the same titles in Linux. Often MUCH more expensive....
>
>
>Try BuyComp (http://www.buycomp.com). They've got it for $60.95. This is
>probably the personal edition (or whatever they call it), vs. the
>developer's edition that includes some extra doo-dads that most end users
>won't need. Also, BuyComp tends to overcharge for shipping, at least for
>the first item in an order (it was ~$11 when I bought WordPerfect from
>them recently).
>
>I've also seen ApplixWare in computer stores like Micro Center. I don't
>recall the price, but I'd be surprised if it were more than $100 there.
>Be sure you get the 4.4.1 version; there may be copies of the older 4.3.7
>floating around still.
I checked buycomp & Microcenter. They only have the Linux version. I called
Applix and was told the exact same software for Solaris was $695 per seat!
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