Linux-Misc Digest #82, Volume #26 Thu, 19 Oct 00 16:13:04 EDT
Contents:
How to control ide bus with linux? ("NTUST News")
Redhat 7.0 and MySQL?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
/proc/<pid>/maps (Bill Moseley)
setuid? (Tyler Larson)
Re: moving swap partition (Attn gurus) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: moving swap partition (Attn gurus) (Brian Wheeler)
Re: HACKED ? All logins fail (aflinsch)
Re: Refreshing a new symbolic link to a library in /usr/lib (aflinsch)
Re: wine (James Blanford)
Re: 8bit SB, mixer and nas (Russell Marks)
Keyboard and Slackware (GD)
Re: setuid? (Tony Lawrence)
StarOffice disappearing mail ("Gerald Pollack")
Re: StarOffice or Applixware (Matthew Lybanon)
Re: setuid? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Haoyu Meng)
I changed the order of the ide-devices by activating RAID0 (Attila Keller)
Re: Netscape Download ? (Daniel C)
Re: too little fonts (Daniel C)
CMI8330 SOUNDCHIP (Gotzon Berrojalbiz)
Re: LS-120 woes... (Leejay Wu)
Help for new Linux users (Ken Schrock)
Re: Help for new Linux users (Tony Lawrence)
Re: Linux PDA ("Tumbleweed")
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
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From: "NTUST News" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: How to control ide bus with linux?
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:10:36 +0800
hello all
I wanna control one chip with linux.
This chip supports 8 bit IDE bus
So....If I wanna program in linux.
How can I do that?
Please give me some solutions .....thanks....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Redhat 7.0 and MySQL??
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:11:19 GMT
Redhat 7.0 and MySQL??
Maybe you can help me. it still does not work. If I
login is a user with the following commands I get the
following error
commands
mysql
use testDB;
After entering the use testDB; I get the following
error
ERROR 1044: Access denied for user: '@localhost' to
database 'testDB'
Please email me [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Before you buy.
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From: Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: /proc/<pid>/maps
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:42:07 -0700
Where can I read about the maps output?
Where can I learn more about Linux process memory usage? I don't need
too much detail, but more of an overview for a system admin type of
user.
How can I tell how much memory of a process is shared vs. private?
Thanks,
--
Bill Moseley
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From: Tyler Larson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: setuid?
Date: 19 Oct 2000 18:17:14 GMT
<background info>
My machine at home (RH 6.2) is connected to a LAN with the other
computers in the house. The network is used (mainly) for our internet
connection. But because we're short a couple of ports in our hub,
usually somebody else in the apartment is borrowing 'my' connection
when I'm away. This isn't a problem, I just pull their connection when
I need it.
My problem: My computer had to wait for the network to time out when
starting the network services when booting up if my network connection
was 'borrowed' by somebody else.
My solution: remove the network initialization from my startup scripts,
and initialize them myself on-demand when I connect the network cable.
</background info>
My next problem: Only the root is allowed to initialize the network, so
I have to log on as root every time I want to start the network services.
My next solution (or so I thought): setuid. I decided to create a
simple script owned by the root with the setuid bit set that ran the
network initialization scripts for me.
Here's what the script looked like:
#!/bin/sh
/etc/rc.d/init.d/network start
and the permissions:
-rws--x--x 1 root root
Well, it work just fine if I ran it as root, but I got the same
permission errors when tried to run it with my normal login account
as I got before when trying to run the script the usual way.
So setuid got me nowhere. This is my first time trying something of
this sort, so I may have the whole concept down wrong to begin with.
If somebody can tell me what i'm doing wrong and what to do to make
it right, I'd be very happy.
--
-Tyler
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: moving swap partition (Attn gurus)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:22:31 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> never done it, but it goes like this
[...]
> 5) swapoff <old-swap>
As someone who has done this, skip this step! Perhaps newer kernels can
handle this gracefully, but I crashed a system by issuing a swapoff
against in-use swap a few years ago.
Follow the rest of the steps, just wait until the next reboot to allow
the used swap to be freed.
If things have changed and newer kernels can gracefully handle turning
off in-use swap, I won't mind being corrected , of course.
--
Jim Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
=================== http://www.buchanan1.net/ ==========================
"ID was everything nowadays. Used to be that money was gold or silver or
something tangible. But plastic money was just a way of telling people
where to find you. Who you were. How to touch you." -Bruce Sterling
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Wheeler)
Subject: Re: moving swap partition (Attn gurus)
Date: 19 Oct 2000 18:38:59 GMT
In article <8sne4t$cpf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> never done it, but it goes like this
> [...]
>> 5) swapoff <old-swap>
>
> As someone who has done this, skip this step! Perhaps newer kernels can
> handle this gracefully, but I crashed a system by issuing a swapoff
> against in-use swap a few years ago.
>
> Follow the rest of the steps, just wait until the next reboot to allow
> the used swap to be freed.
>
> If things have changed and newer kernels can gracefully handle turning
> off in-use swap, I won't mind being corrected , of course.
Well, you have to have enough free VM space to move all of the data swapped to
this partition to either RAM or another swap space. It works quite well under
that condition, but if you can't do that...well...Linux doesn't like running
out of memory :)
Brian
>
>
> --
> Jim Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> =================== http://www.buchanan1.net/ ==========================
> "ID was everything nowadays. Used to be that money was gold or silver or
> something tangible. But plastic money was just a way of telling people
> where to find you. Who you were. How to touch you." -Bruce Sterling
> ========================================================================
>
>
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: aflinsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HACKED ? All logins fail
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:24:22 -0500
jdewitt wrote:
>
> login: root
> Password: *********
> Login incorrect
>
> Seems that after Friday the 13th nobody can login to the machine. Every
> user on the system gets the same message (Login incorrect), even root at the
> secure tty. I can get a bash# prompt in
> single user mode to make changes, but I don't know what to change, everthing
> I have checked seems fine. Resetting the passwords using passwd or adding a
> new user in the root group doesn't work. I have checked /etc/pam.d/login
> against a working machine with the same version and they are identical.
> /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow contain the proper entries, and the accounts do
> not appear to be expired. How can I fix this?
>
A similar thing happened to me, but root was able to login. Turned out
that the /home file system was full. Check to see if any file systems
are full
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From: aflinsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Refreshing a new symbolic link to a library in /usr/lib
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:29:06 -0500
PB wrote:
>
> OK, let's see if I can explain this clearly:
>
> Trying to install a binary .rpm, and I got a failed dependency on
> libjpeg.so.6.
>
> Fine, go to /usr/lib, and do a 'ls -al libjpeg.so*'.
>
> There's a real binary there (libjpeg.so.62.0.0), and two symbolics
> pointing to it. One is libjpeg.so, and one is libjpeg.so.62.
>
> At this point, I figure I should be OK by creating a new third
> symbolic pointing to the real binary and naming it libjpeg.so.6, which
> is the dependency that the rpm complained about.
>
> What do I need to do to re-catalog / re-index / re-whatever, so that
> the system realizes that I've made the new symbolic link to the real
> library?
If I read this correctly, you already made the symlink, and are having
problems getting rpm to recognize it.
rpm checks against it's own database, not against the actual
filesystem. Creating the symlink might work, but rpm just won't see
it. What you need to do is tell rpm to ignore dependencies. try the
following command
rpm -i whatever.binary.rpm -- nodeps
and see if that works
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Blanford)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: wine
Date: 19 Oct 2000 18:48:59 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Alexander Sklavos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> When I try to install wine, either after compilation or after installing
> a .rpm file, I get the message
>
> "libwine.so: file not found"
>
> I have a Pentium133 with Linux 2.0.36 - libc.so.4 running SuSE 6.?
>
Hmmm, that looks more like SuSE 4.?. I couldn't run the latest wine on SuSE
6.2. I had to steal libc and shlib packages from SuSE 6.3. You need libc.so.6
I'm going to upgrade, to 6.4 as soon as I my disc arrives in the post.
Just the single wvaluation disc is all that's needed. Most of the programs on
the other 5 discs are out of date already.
- Jim
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Subject: Re: 8bit SB, mixer and nas
From: Russell Marks <russell.marks@spam^H^H^H^Hntlworld.com>
Date: 19 Oct 2000 19:57:07 +0100
patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am trying to configure nas (network audio sound) on an original
> 8bit SB (Sound Blaster) and I am having some difficulty.
>
> It seems that the nasd will not run if it cannot open "/dev/mixer"
> (open source is wonderful). But I have been unable to get the mixer
> to work with the SB. Is there a module available that will create a
> working /dev/mixer with the SB?
I doubt it, since the original 8-bit SB doesn't *have* a mixer. :-) So
it seems the problem is really with nasd.
-Rus.
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From: GD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Keyboard and Slackware
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:00:55 GMT
To All:
I have just installed SW on my new e-machine and when I rebooted I lost
the use of the keyboard, I have seen alot of posts about this, but no
one seems to have an answer as to what to do to fix the problem. Antone
have one?
TIA,
Garret
P.S. Yes, I have booted into single user mode and the keyboard did come
back, well for a little while, then it was gone again.
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From: Tony Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: setuid?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:01:31 -0400
Tyler Larson wrote:
> My next solution (or so I thought): setuid. I decided to create a
> simple script owned by the root with the setuid bit set that ran the
> network initialization scripts for me.
>
> Here's what the script looked like:
>
> #!/bin/sh
> /etc/rc.d/init.d/network start
>
> and the permissions:
> -rws--x--x 1 root root
>
> Well, it work just fine if I ran it as root, but I got the same
> permission errors when tried to run it with my normal login account
> as I got before when trying to run the script the usual way.
> So setuid got me nowhere. This is my first time trying something of
> this sort, so I may have the whole concept down wrong to begin with.
>
> If somebody can tell me what i'm doing wrong and what to do to make
> it right, I'd be very happy.
You aren't wrong, it's just that scripts will not (for security
reasons) run suid. Only binaries will work that way. You could
either compile a simple C program that called your script or look
into "sudo"
--
Tony Lawrence ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
SCO/Linux articles, help, book reviews, tests,
job listings and more : http://www.pcunix.com
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From: "Gerald Pollack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: StarOffice disappearing mail
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:07:12 GMT
I use SO 5.1 on a Mandrake 7.0 system. My inbox is a pop3 account, and is
configured to remove mail from the server and to store messages locally.
Every now and then (at least once a day), messages that I've
fetched from the server "disappear" temporarily; their headers appear in
the inbox listing, but when I try to open them I'm told that the "message
contents are no longer available on the server". If I try again later, the
message appears with no problems (not necessarily every time I try again,
but eventually).
Can anyone tell me what's going on here, and how to stop it?!
Thanks,
--
G. Pollack Dept. of Biology, McGill Univ.
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From: Matthew Lybanon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: StarOffice or Applixware
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:09:52 -0500
My experience isn't the same as yours. I have only used SO 5.2.
However, the Desktop comes up in an ordinary X window, which I can
resize by using the mouse to drag the lower right corner.
I'm running Linux Mandrake release 7.0, operating system release
2.2.14-15mdk, using the GNOME environment.
In my setup, the Start button gives me the same menu options that I get
from the GNOME foot on the panel at the bottom of the screen. However,
another possibility is Options under StarOffice's Tools menu. Try:
Tools
Options
General
Desktop
There are a number of things you can change. Possibly, one of them will
do what you want.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: setuid?
Date: 19 Oct 2000 15:08:23 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <8sndra$6aa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tyler Larson wrote:
> #!/bin/sh
> /etc/rc.d/init.d/network start
>
> and the permissions:
> -rws--x--x 1 root root
There are no setuid shell scripts on Linux. You need to write a little
compiled program, or use perl.
--
Paul Kimoto
This message was originally posted on Usenet in plain text. Any images,
hyperlinks, or the like shown here have been added without my consent,
and may be a violation of international copyright law.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:16:37 -0000
On 18 Oct 2000 22:07:57 -0400, Hartmann Schaffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> ...
>>>I agree with what you say, but my point is that, these days, using a
>>>computer for word processing is all about content management. A good
>>>word processor will provide you with better facilities for this than a
>>>program that evolved from a typesetting tool.
>>
>> Actually, that sounds backwards. Better content management should
>> be achieved by tools that segregate content from formatting. Tools
>> like Latex do this more cleanly and produce more easily parsable
>> output.
>
>how would latex help with content management. i would assume for that
>you would use sgml or xml
The format is better understood and can be more easily and
effectively manipulated by third parties and the format
more cleanly separates out the content.
Creeping featuritus doesn't prove that win-style word processors
are more suitable for content management.
--
Five is a sufficiently close approximation to infinity.
-- Robert Firth
"One, two, five."
-- Monty Python and the Holy Grail
"my terminal is a lethal teaspoon."
-- Patricia O Tuama
(1) Never draw what you can copy.
(2) Never copy what you can trace.
(3) Never trace what you can cut out and paste down.
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From: Haoyu Meng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:25:05 GMT
U need to read a whole book to understand how to use Latex. I am in the business
of writing books using computers. I don't want to have to learn programming to
do that.
MH wrote:
> No.You're SOL. Word's revision feature is one of the reasons writers use it,
> and indeed, comes in very handy for what you allude to. It's a dream for
> multiple-writer collaboration.
>
> Latexlahex is a keystroke users dream, but it is not a modern gui, point &
> click fancy word processor. Do what most do. Use Word under Windows as it
> meant to be and just do your work.
>
> "jazz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <qEqG5.3541$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jan
> > Schaumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Well, then you probably want to take a look at
> > > -abiword
> > > -StarOffice (BLOATware)
> > > -ApplixWare (payware)
> > >
> > > Or you can just distribute your documents as pdf's...
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > -Jan
> >
> >
> >
> > Please tell me more. For example, I just wrote a paper with someone in LA.
> > I'm in New Jersey. I wrote a draft, emailed it to them, they revised it,
> > resent it to me, I revised and made additions, sent it back, he revised,
> > and I sent some additional parts, he put it all together, and sent it out
> > to all the other authors, as a word attachment they all can read and make
> > changes to.
> >
> > So these would have to import/export files in word-readible format.
> >
> > Can they do that? I doubt Bill would put up with that, and would instruct
> > his minions to make a couple of tweaks in Word for insurance.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jim
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From: Attila Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: I changed the order of the ide-devices by activating RAID0
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:46:23 +0200
Hy,
normaly i start my software Raid0-Array with
mdrun /dev/md0 /dev/hde1 /dev/hdg1
mdadd -p0 /dev/md0
yesterday i made a "little" blemish:
mdrun /dev/md0 /dev/hdg1 /dev/hde1
mdadd -p0 /dev/md0
After trying to activate the Array in the right order.
I was't able to mount the md0-device.
The System says there is no ext2 filsystem on it.
Is there any way to restore my files?
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From: Daniel C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape Download ?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:37:15 GMT
Philo wrote:
>
> i was going to download some rpm's using Red Hat 6.0 /Netscape...
> when i tried to download...all i saw was symbolic text filling my browser...
> when i rebooted to windows and tried to download the same rpm i had no
> problem...so just downloaded it into a shared windows/linux partition...
> but what the heck was the Netscape browser doing???
> i haven't a clue as to what was going on.
>
You can teach Netscape to recognize .rpm as something to download by
clicking edit|preferences|navigator|applications|new...
Set up .rmp as a new file type and choose 'save to disk' or 'ask user'.
It is useful to set up .tar.gz, .bz2 and other common formats this way.
Dan
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From: Daniel C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: too little fonts
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:39:08 GMT
root wrote:
>
> Hi, wanna change standard size fonts for linux RH 6.2 that show me
> netscape and other application in a
> very little way.
> How do I do?
>
> Thanks in advince for any help.
>
> Evaristo
Read the Font De-Uglification HOWTO.
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From: Gotzon Berrojalbiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: CMI8330 SOUNDCHIP
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:37:01 GMT
I've read the documentation in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound and
I've realized that there's no posibility of compiling newer kernel
versions to support this soundcard. I compiled a 2.2.13 kernel for this
but I haven't been able to find the ADLIB options in 2.2.16 and 2.2.17
kernels.
THANKS
--
_-------------------------------------------_
| DEBIAN GNU/Linux 2.2 - Linux User # 175011 |
|---------------------------------------------|
| KERNEL 2.2.17 - P200 MHz - 64 Mb RAM |
`-------------------------------------------'
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From: Leejay Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: LS-120 woes...
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:35:12 -0400
Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.hardware: 19-Oct-100 LS-120 woes...
by Bo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I have an LS-120 drive installed in IDE2 as master.
[ Disclaimer. I don't have an LS-120. ]
Master, secondary IDE channel? Hmmm. That should be /dev/hdc for
the entire drive, and /dev/hdcX for each specific partition.
I don't know whether there is a default partitioning scheme for
LS-120s, but you could try
/sbin/fdisk /dev/hdc
then 'p' to print the partition table.
and see what number it's using, in case it's not set up as #1.
If it's not partitioned, well, then you'll need to make one
(probably just one will do...). Curiously, pre-formatted
Zip disks seem to use partition #4; I don't know why, or
whether LS-120s are the same way.
Then you'll need to ensure there's a filesystem on it, most
likely.
> When I boot RH6.2 first time after installing it there is a screen
> from the hardware detection utility telling me it has found the drive
> and is installing software.
Hmmm. Wonder what the software did (I'm not a RH user currently).
It didn't ask for a mount point, perchance? You might check your
/etc/fstab just in case it added a line for you.
> So I know it is there, but how can I "mount" it so I can use the drive
> to read plain old MS-DOS disks from it? One person suggested:
> # mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/floppy -t vfat
> Did not work, there were a number of error messages on this one.
/dev/hdb1 is normally the first partition on the *slave* of the
primary IDE channel. The devices here are assigned by channel,
not simply by number of drives.
first channel second channel
primary /dev/hda /dev/hdc
slave /dev/hdb /dev/hdd
followed by partition number, starting at 1.
Another thing to check is that you do, indeed, have the
appropriate /dev files with sane attributes.
[[EMAIL PROTECTED] <> ~ ]->ls -al /dev/hdc /dev/hdc1
brw-rw---- 1 root disk 22, 0 May 5 1998 /dev/hdc
brw-rw---- 1 root disk 22, 1 May 5 1998 /dev/hdc1
(In particular, check for the 'b' -- (b)lock device -- and
the major/minor numbers (22, x)). The major numbers for the
other drives differ.
> So far I have only gotten responses from the OS like hdd1 is not a
> block device and such things.
Hmm. What other such things?
Your mount point does exist as a directory already, right?
# su
# mkdir /mnt/LS120
# mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /mnt/LS120
should in theory work if
a) the kernel does actually support that device as configured,
as well as the vfat filesystem. Device support presumably
exists since RH's software noticed it.
b) there is an LS120 floppy there, that's formatted for DOS/Win
c) the partition is #1
d) it's the primary drive on the second IDE channel
> Is there some utility/screen where I can see *all* available drives
> recognized by the system so I can know what Linux actually calls my
> LS-120? I have no clue whatsoever to what it might be called.
The device should actually be in the startup messages -- try
dmesg | grep -i /dev/hd
perhaps. Note that it'll probably just spew the device without
partition number. /sbin/fdisk is probably the fastest way to
figuring out what partition number.
Then, if it works, you'll be able to add a line to the /etc/fstab
file, like
/dev/hdc1 /mnt/LS120 vfat noauto 0 0
substituting for the mount point as desired, or the device if
it's really a different partition etc. After that, a simple
'mount /mnt/LS120'
should work.
> (hda1, hda2, hdb, hdc, hdd with or without numbers..)
> It is all so very confusing, one might believe that once the drive is
> found it would be accessible too, but no.. :-(
It is, once you find the correct incantation. ;-)
HTH.
--
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | the silly student |
|--------------------------| he writes really bad haiku |
| #include <stddiscl.h> | readers all go mad |
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From: Ken Schrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.imux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Help for new Linux users
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:41:46 GMT
I am a Linux user and advocate...
I am a former Windows user myself...
I want to help other Windows users convert to Linux.
I feel that this forum and others like it are poorly suited to this
purpose.
Most Windows users don't read manuals and aren't programmers and
therefore...
Answers like "RTFM", "Have you read the FAQs?", and "Just re-compile the
kernel"...
Are not good answers for Windows users trying Linux for the first time.
This isn't helpful, feels like an attack, and drives these folks away...
Which is not good for Linux in the short term or long run.
If you feel the same way, and are knowledgeable about Linux...
And can spend a little time answering questions...
And don't mind answering simple questions...
Don't mind answering them repeatedly...
And can do it without anger, contempt, egotism, condescendence, etc...
Please e-mail me so we can create a place condusive to the goal...
Of helping average Window users try Linux and convert to Linux.
--
Ken Schrock
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From: Tony Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.imux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Help for new Linux users
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:00:26 -0400
Ken Schrock wrote:
> Answers like "RTFM", "Have you read the FAQs?", and "Just re-compile the
> kernel"...
> Are not good answers for Windows users trying Linux for the first time.
> This isn't helpful, feels like an attack, and drives these folks away...
You are right, but you are never going to stop that type of
answer. Ignore it, and post a better answer when you can.
>
> Which is not good for Linux in the short term or long run.
>
> If you feel the same way, and are knowledgeable about Linux...
> And can spend a little time answering questions...
> And don't mind answering simple questions...
> Don't mind answering them repeatedly...
> And can do it without anger, contempt, egotism, condescendence, etc...
> Please e-mail me so we can create a place condusive to the goal...
> Of helping average Window users try Linux and convert to Linux.
No, this is the place. Nothing wrong with directing people from
here to answers elsewhere, though. I do that when I have already
written an appropriate article and have it on my web site. But
the answers *start* in the ng's 'cause that's where the people
ask..
--
Tony Lawrence ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
SCO/Linux articles, help, book reviews, tests,
job listings and more : http://www.pcunix.com
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From: "Tumbleweed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.palmtops.pilot
Subject: Re: Linux PDA
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:51:38 +0100
--
remove spam before replying
"Mick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8snb63$s10$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> New palm device using Linux Open Source!
>
> http://www.agendacomputing.com/
>
>
Looks nice ata good price, and light. Would be even better if it could
'mimic' a palm somehow so that apps that have sync to Palm apps such as
calendar, todo etc, could continue to work. For example, my employer has a
Palm sync app to our corporate calendar.
Tw
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:07:50 -0000
On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:25:05 GMT, Haoyu Meng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>U need to read a whole book to understand how to use Latex. I am in the business
>of writing books using computers. I don't want to have to learn programming to
>do that.
You have an exceedingly unprofessional attitude regarding your tools.
[deletia]
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legislature is in session.
Sometime in 1993 NANCY SINATRA will lead a BLOODLESS COUP on GUAM!!
Because we don't think about future generations, they will never forget us.
-- Henrik Tikkanen
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