Linux-Misc Digest #43, Volume #27 Tue, 6 Feb 01 20:13:02 EST
Contents:
win2k/red hat dual boot problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: mkisofs - [order is changed] (.)
Re: Which Linux distribution is best? (.)
Re: mandrake vs redhat? (* Tong *)
Re: Which Linux distribution is best? (.)
Re: Which Linux distribution is best? (.)
Re: win2k/red hat dual boot problem (Rod Smith)
Re: Cloning Linux Drives ("Peter T. Breuer")
Help with DNS ("Phil")
Outlook RedHat Mail Connection ("Luis Orellana V�squez")
xv_get_sel alike tools for Linux (* Tong *)
Re: Cloning Linux Drives (* Tong *)
Re: PCI: "the same IRQ is used by device" problem (Trevor Hemsley)
Re: Cloning Linux Drives (* Tong *)
Re: Newbie: programming? (Darryl Wagoner - WA1GON)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: win2k/red hat dual boot problem
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 22:55:07 GMT
Here is the situation:
I have win2k running on my computer and I would like to install red hat
(I have 7.0 and 6.2) as a dual boot option.
I have a master 13 gig IBM desktar with 7.5 gigs formatted as FAT32,
the rest of the disk is inallocated space (where I intend to put red
hat)
I also have a slave 20 gig western digital with the first 14 gigs as
FAT32 for win2k data storeage. The rest of this disk is unformatted.
Win2k currently boots up fine, but the problem occurs when I try to
install Red Hat. I am using the GUI install and when I get to the
screen to choose type of installation (custom,server,workstation), it
says that no devices were found. I then look at the boot output and it
turns out that linux does not see either one of my drives.
I investigated a little further and although my drives are listed when
I start up my computer, if I hit F1 and go into look at the BIOS
settings - then it lists "none" for both primary master and slave. It
only sees my CD-ROM! To add insult to injury, I can't change these
settings in my BIOS, it seems frozen on "none".
This is wierd because my computer boots up fine to win2k without any
problems or requiring a boot disk.
Has anyone ever heard of anything so peculiar. Does anyone have any
recommendations as to fixing this (besides wiping win2k and just
installing red hat)
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: mkisofs - [order is changed]
Date: 6 Feb 2001 23:11:17 GMT
K. B. Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all,
> I use mkisofs to make a copy of some mp3 files to a cd.
> When the filenames are long, the program mkisofs makes temporary
> filenames. In the process, it changes the order.
> Consequently, the files written on a cd are physically in wrong order
> and will be played in the wrong order.
> Does anybody know how to fix this trouble? (I cannot change all the
> filesnames which I get from napster. They are usually longer than
> 31 characters, and contains spaces).
> Thanks in advance,
1. you can tell your napster client (which is probably gnapster) to
replace spaces with underscores.
2. there are dozens of mp3 re-naming/archiving programs available for
linux. Go look at freshmeat.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Which Linux distribution is best?
Date: 6 Feb 2001 23:21:01 GMT
Arctic Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I have a P133 with 32MB RAM and 10G HD, but my System Bios has this 8.4
>> Gig barrier. I am not getting BIOS upgrade for the motherboard. When I
>> try to install Win 98, at the time of installation, the scandisk
>> freezes the machine.
>> Would I have the same problem with Linux too? If not, which
>> distribution is good?
> 32 MB RAM isn't going to cut it.
Bullshit. Debian runs just fine w/blackbox on 32 megs ram, 2 megs
video ram.
You simply dont know what youre doing.
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From: * Tong * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mandrake vs redhat?
Date: 06 Feb 2001 19:23:01 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Bismuti) writes:
> At my company there has been a big wave of defections from redhat to
> mandrake, which is supposed to be "redhat compliant".
My 2cent comment:
- Avoid RH7 if you could so as to keep away from trouble.
Look for bug list of RH7 in this NG if you are interested. There are
lots of them!
- Mandrake 7.2 is just great. I was thinking that Mandrake & RH only
different in installation, base on my previous reading. But after
I tried Mandrake, I'm totally impressed by it. I think I don't
need to cover how easy for Mandrake to find/configure your
devices, I just want to say that the guys from Mandrake really
know what they are doing. Take emacs for example, my favorite text
editor. RH just throw in the emacs as is, but Mandrake goes extra
steps to configure it, like color the keywords and even bracket
pair checking... Besides, When using RH6.2 I have to compile my
own bash, emacs, gnus, ssh, wu-ftpd, apache, webmin, mysql, php,
qt, gtk, licq, ncp (Netware connection tools)... almost all the
tools I need are just too old to use. But when using Mandrake,
everything that I need so far is there, and even better configured
(apache for example). So you see, it is meant to be a better
Desktop system, but I found it is also doing quite a good job for
a per-configured server, it made my life a whole lot easier.
- Although Mandrake support new devices well, it doesn't support old
ISA devices well enough. My esonique sound card works great under
RH6.2 but not working under Mandrake now. Maybe it is a easy
problem but I haven't got time to look into it...
--
Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply)
http://members.xoom.com/suntong001/
- All free contribution & collection & music from the heavens
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Which Linux distribution is best?
Date: 6 Feb 2001 23:26:31 GMT
Arctic Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Yeh! This arctic storm seems to be nothing but a bit of hot air.
>> I started out on Linux with a 486 with 8 megs of RAM!
>> (And I wrote my final year project and project report on that (In
>> Wordperfect 8 no less)).
>>
>> Some people seem to talk a lot of bull when it comes to minimum
>> requirements these days.
> I was mearly speaking from a personal experience. As I stated, 32 MB is
> sufficient to run Linux, as a cheeze burger with fries is sufficient to
> feed Nicole Kidman on a date.
> When you multitask many applications, the Earth will rotate about its axis,
> and revolve around the Sun many times, as you patiently wait for the screen
> to repaint new windows. By then, your ears will have grown accustomed to
> the deafening rumble of the hard drive, as it swaps memory with RAM, and
> your brains will have learned to reject the annoying rattle to uncover the
> background serenity. You will notice cobwebs growing between your fingers,
> and see the sun rise and set out of your window, and soon the leaves will
> turn color as trees shed its foliage. The original frustration of wating
> will eventually get lost in the sands of time.
This doesnt happen to me. You have set your machine up incorrectly, or
you are using unnessesary hogware to do simple tasks. To each what it
can utilize.
> My opinion is that 32 MB of RAM won't let you do what a "today's computer"
> should let you do.
And what is that, exactly? Let you run Helix Gnome and GTV?
> Alice asked the Rabbit, "Why are you constantly
> running?", and the Rabbit replied, "To stay in the same place." Time will
> progress, and unless you progress with time, you will fall behind.
> Please understand that this is my personal opinion, and I was merely trying
> to help the original post by presenting a modern view.
And a quite useless one.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Which Linux distribution is best?
Date: 6 Feb 2001 23:28:10 GMT
Arctic Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> I have a P133 with 32MB RAM and 10G HD, but my System Bios has this 8.4
>> >> Gig barrier. I am not getting BIOS upgrade for the motherboard. When I
>> >> try to install Win 98, at the time of installation, the scandisk
>> >> freezes the machine.
>> >> Would I have the same problem with Linux too? If not, which
>>
>> > 32 MB RAM isn't going to cut it.
>> > Either add 32 more to get total of 64, or give up.
>>
>> I have a P100 with 32MB ram running everything just fine, including X.
>> (that's slackware 7, though debian 2.2 is also possible).
>>
>> Come to that, I have a 486sx50 with 8MB ram also doing fine. Also with
>> X - but it just runs as a terminal. That's slackware 3.0.
> I think this is an issue of patience. When does your patience run out as
> you stare at the desktop for Netscape 6 to load,
If youre running netscape6 on 32 megs of ram, you are an idiot.
> or watch the screen
> repaint windows as you move windows or open/close them. Sure, 32 MB is
> "sufficient" to run X, but as you multitask email, web, newsgroup, text
> editors, etc., the hard drive will crank away swaping memory.
No, it wont. Heres what you propose:
Running pine, tin, pico, etc. all at once. The three together will hardly
take up more than a few megs by themselves.
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: win2k/red hat dual boot problem
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 23:32:31 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <95pvc6$1r4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Here is the situation:
>
> I have win2k running on my computer and I would like to install red hat
> (I have 7.0 and 6.2) as a dual boot option.
>
> I have a master 13 gig IBM desktar with 7.5 gigs formatted as FAT32,
> the rest of the disk is inallocated space (where I intend to put red
> hat)
>
> I also have a slave 20 gig western digital with the first 14 gigs as
> FAT32 for win2k data storeage. The rest of this disk is unformatted.
>
> Win2k currently boots up fine
...
> I investigated a little further and although my drives are listed when
> I start up my computer, if I hit F1 and go into look at the BIOS
> settings - then it lists "none" for both primary master and slave. It
> only sees my CD-ROM! To add insult to injury, I can't change these
> settings in my BIOS, it seems frozen on "none".
>
> This is wierd because my computer boots up fine to win2k without any
> problems or requiring a boot disk.
Your name wouldn't happen to be Rod Serling, would it? ;-)
Seriously, this sounds like a BIOS peculiarity. You might check with
your motherboard manufacturer to see if there's a BIOS update available.
If so, try installing it -- but be aware that flashing a new BIOS is one
of the most potentially dangerous things you can do; if you do it wrong,
the computer becomes a big paperweight, fixable only by physically
replacing the BIOS chip. (Some motherboards feature ways out of this
situation, but these features seem to be uncommon in my experience.)
Before doing this, it might be worth double-checking your hard disk
configurations. Check to be sure you don't have two devices set as the
master (or slave) on a chain, for instance. You could also try juggling
devices around a bit -- say, move a drive from one chain to another, or
swap one's configuration with that of the CD-ROM. You could also try
unplugging your second hard disk, just for testing purposes. With any
luck, one of these actions will produce some more reasonable behavior,
which will at the very least be another clue as to the cause.
> Has anyone ever heard of anything so peculiar. Does anyone have any
> recommendations as to fixing this (besides wiping win2k and just
> installing red hat)
It seems unlikely to me that Win2K has anything to do with this problem.
The BIOS behavior you report is a *BIOS* issue. When you enter the BIOS
setup screen, the computer doesn't even know that Win2K is installed.
Certainly no Windows code is running.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cloning Linux Drives
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 23:45:56 GMT
* Tong * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "OpenMind" <**Mail Free America**> writes:
>> cp /dev/hda dev/hdb
> Apart from that this one line reply didn't help too much, it is just
> not right!
Eh? What's wrong with it? It looks fine to me!
> I know sometimes people want to show off that how simple it is to do
> things in *nix world, but this simple cp just can't do a good
> job. People ask questions here are serious about their questions and
> are hoping to get serious answers. If you want to illustrate the
> using of the "cp", at least you should use the flag -dpR.
There is no structure to preserve. He just does a bit for bit copy with
the command he gave, until one or the other stream ends or errors.
That will produce a perfect copy of one file system to the other,
as a side-effect.
The only problem with it is that it's inefficient .. it copies the
meaningless bits on disk as well as the files and metadata.
Peter
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From: "Phil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help with DNS
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 23:48:44 GMT
I need help configuring the Linux gateway's DNS files to send email to our
exchange server. I have a Linux firewall/gatway to the internet
It's domain is called corporate and it serves my internal Linux users.
I installed an Exchange server and I am able to send out email messages but
I cannot receive them on the exchange server.
Which named.* file do I need to add the MX record to? there are about 5
files with DNS info so I am unsure.
Here is my setup: Gateway/firewall name: firegate
Gateway/firewall domain: corporate
Exchange server name: crom
FQDN for external IP of Gateway/firewall:
mail.company.com
If you could give me some pointers as to how to setup the named files I
would be very happy!
Thanks
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From: "Luis Orellana V�squez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Outlook RedHat Mail Connection
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:57:30 -0300
From: "Luis Orellana V�squez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Outlook to RedHat Mail connection
Date: Martes, 06 de Febrero de 2001 08:51 p.m.
I have an RedHat 6.2, the fetchmail, sendmail and mail work fine. My pop3
daemon it's working.
The problem: I can connect with OutLook from my Windows workstation to my
Linux - Pop3, the server refuse the conection with message "ERR bad login".
I have created all users, and they are working with Unix login's and Samba.
Whats it wrong? Please helpme.
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From: * Tong * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: xv_get_sel alike tools for Linux
Date: 06 Feb 2001 20:01:50 -0400
Hi,
I'm looking for xv_get_sel alike tools for Linux.
FYI, xv_get_sel is a nice little gadget under Solaris that copy the
content of a selection to the standard output.
SYNOPSIS
xv_get_sel [ rank ] [ -t seconds ] [ D ]
DESCRIPTION
xv_get_sel prints the contents of the indicated selection on
standard out. A selection is a collection of objects (for
instance, characters) selected with the mouse in the
OpenWindow window system.
I hope there is a similar command line tool to copy from/to the
x-clipboard. Thanks and "no thanks" for suggestions like "search in
freshmeat"/ :-)
--
Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply)
http://members.xoom.com/suntong001/
- All free contribution & collection & music from the heavens
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From: * Tong * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cloning Linux Drives
Date: 06 Feb 2001 20:10:08 -0400
"Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> * Tong * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "OpenMind" <**Mail Free America**> writes:
> >> cp /dev/hda dev/hdb
>
> > Apart from that this one line reply didn't help too much, it is just
> > not right!
>
> Eh? What's wrong with it? It looks fine to me!
>
> > I know sometimes people want to show off that how simple it is to do
> > things in *nix world, but this simple cp just can't do a good
> > job. People ask questions here are serious about their questions and
> > are hoping to get serious answers. If you want to illustrate the
> > using of the "cp", at least you should use the flag -dpR.
>
> There is no structure to preserve. He just does a bit for bit copy with
> the command he gave, until one or the other stream ends or errors.
> That will produce a perfect copy of one file system to the other,
> as a side-effect.
>
> The only problem with it is that it's inefficient .. it copies the
> meaningless bits on disk as well as the files and metadata.
a bit for bit copy? Once I follow this similar suggestion and found
my destination disk over 300M bigger than the original one... You've
got a clue why? It just took me as a newbie quite an awful amount
of time to figure it out... Hope it never happen again to other
newbies, and even you.
Still don't know why? look into the -d flag of cp, and let alone
those necessary -p -R flags.
--
Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply)
http://members.xoom.com/suntong001/
- All free contribution & collection & music from the heavens
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trevor Hemsley)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: PCI: "the same IRQ is used by device" problem
Date: 7 Feb 2001 00:13:53 GMT
On Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:28:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My PCI subsystem (kernel 2.4.1) issues "the same IRQ is used
> by device..." message when I try to use, for example, my network
> card running the adsl-start script. The IRQ in question is 9 and
> it's shared by my network card (3Com 3c905B "Cyclone"), the sound
> card (SB 256 Live!) and the USB controller (VIA chipset); my
> motherboard is Asus A7V.
>
> Any suggestions how to get the PCI working? Thanks.
That isn't an error message, it's just information. eg,
ThunderLAN driver v1.12
PCI: Found IRQ 14 for device 00:09.0
PCI: The same IRQ used for device 00:07.2
TLAN: eth0 irq=14, io=e400, Compaq Netelligent 10/100 TX PCI UTP, Rev. 16
TLAN: 1 device installed, PCI: 1 EISA: 0
but my ethernet card works perfectly. PCI interrupts are shareable (allegedly) ;-)
--
Trevor Hemsley, Brighton, UK.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: * Tong * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cloning Linux Drives
Date: 06 Feb 2001 20:34:19 -0400
* Tong * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> a bit for bit copy? Once I follow this similar suggestion and found
All I want to say here is that please think carefully to compose
a reply. And especially for helping newbies! Because we take your
advice seriously and don't have the basic knowledge to judge whether
it is right or wrong.
For all those people that like to throw in a one line reply w/o any
further explanation, my suggestion is that better safe the energy
for something else. It is more serious than one thought it is. There
might be thousand or tens of thousands of people looking at your
posting. and some newbies may believe what you've said...
Linux already has the reputation of "hard", "difficult" for newbies,
let's not make it worse and disappointing...
--
Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply)
http://members.xoom.com/suntong001/
- All free contribution & collection & music from the heavens
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darryl Wagoner - WA1GON)
Subject: Re: Newbie: programming?
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 00:43:12 -0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Heiming) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> I have recently switched to Linux, and am ready to get started
>> programming. I have a little experience programming with Borland C++
>> Builder, and M$ Visual Basic, both of which are exclusively for
>> Windows. Now, I took a look at GTK, and I have NEVER seen anything so
>> complicated! I also could not figure out Glade, which is obviously a
>> tool for making GTK programs.
>>
>> Where should I start? Should I start with C++? I would like to make
>> programs with GUI's (not text-based). Any guidance would be a HUGE
>> help. What language, how to get started, etc.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jason.
>>
>> Sent via Deja.com
>> http://www.deja.com/
>
>Hello,
>
>take a look at tcl,
>
>tcl8.0
>
>should be on your distro/box/sure you find it online, there are some
>examples that come with tcl.
I don't mean to start a war, but TCL and TK it the wrong thing
to start with. It has a very evil syntax which requires you to
use a very poor coding standard. Don't get me wrong you can
do a lot of cool things with TCL/TK which can't be done easy
with other languages. It falls into the same catagory as Basic & Perl.
They started with a good idea and continued until it had outgrown
what it was design for.
Darryl WA1GON
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