Linux-Misc Digest #43, Volume #28 Wed, 6 Jun 01 06:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: What program is responsible for user count? (Warren Bell)
Re: A plea to those posting questions ("Brian Aust")
Re: how to connect to internet in non-X (hong seung wan)
can't umount /usr (busy?) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: su to root not anymore working. why is that? (seriousb)
ALPha!!!! ("Oliver Maller")
Re: A plea to those posting questions ("Peter T. Breuer")
Bootable Linux CD "no emulation" mode? (Bart Lagerweij)
Re: I need a really small distro for an old puter (Anthony Boyd)
Re: Bootable Linux CD "no emulation" mode? ("Tauno Voipio")
Re: can't umount /usr (busy?) ("Eric")
Re: can't umount /usr (busy?) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: WYSIWYG HTML Editor for linux (Gerald Willmann)
Re: Bootable Linux CD "no emulation" mode? (Juergen Pfann)
Re: Bootable Linux CD "no emulation" mode? (Bart Lagerweij)
Re: Bootable Linux CD "no emulation" mode? (Bart Lagerweij)
Re: linux box cannot be seen in networkneighbourhood of win2000. ("Glitch")
KDevelop cant find qt>=1.42 <2.0 -> Solution found, but why is that? (Anton
Suchaneck)
Re: A plea to those posting questions (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: Linux box hang every week (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: linux box cannot be seen in networkneighbourhood of win2000. (M. Buchenrieder)
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From: Warren Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What program is responsible for user count?
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 22:48:40 -0700
Frank Ranner wrote:
>
> Warren Bell wrote:
> >
> > I have Redhat 7.1. When I log in to an account the system shows 1
> > user. When I start X the system shows two extra users logged in. When
> > I type who it show the real user on a tty and to pts/x users. So
> > typeing somthing like 'uptime' shows three users logged in when there's
> > only one. What could be causing this? What program keeps the user
> > count, maybe I can upgrade it?
>
> The current information is stored in /var/run/utmp and is used by w and
> others, while historical information lives in /var/log/wtmp and is
> accessed
> using 'last'.
>
> This is just the way it works. Each shell maps to a tty, and counts as a
> user.
I just upgraded from Mandrake 7.2 and when one user was logged in in
Mandrake it would only show one user. Whether I was in X or just at the
console. But Redhat shows three users when one's logged in. Maybe it's
counting the tty's and pts's when it should only be counting the tty's?
> On the console you can log in multiple times using alt-f2, alt-f3 even
> using
> different usernames. If you don't want to se ptys, use w | grep -v pt.
>
> Frank
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From: "Brian Aust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.general
Subject: Re: A plea to those posting questions
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 05:59:21 GMT
"Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> No, you do not understand. (a) Posting using a false identity may be
> construed as deception; try posting as Tiger Woods. (b) it's against
> netiquette (check! - I'm bored with quoting bits of the netiquette faq).
> (c) you may not make public announcements anonymously in any country that
I
> know of, let alone the US - editors have gone to jail over that. (d),
> it's simply obstreperous; if you don't feel like posting who you are,
[snip]
Obstreperous, heh.... in an otherwise long-winded thread, it was worth my
while reading it purely to see this gem of a word in actual use again.
Brian Aust
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (hong seung wan)
Subject: Re: how to connect to internet in non-X
Date: 5 Jun 2001 23:21:44 -0700
"NG_lurker <remove AT from email address when replying>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Jay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:BX7T6.4475$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Sorry NG my best guesses. Repost details of your Xwindow problem here
> and
> > in linux.redhat.misc while you're working on the tarballs.
> >
> > From the Linux command line you can ftp from the linux command line
> > $ ftp
> > ftp > open ftp.xfree.org
> > ftp > ls
> > ftp > cd somewhere
> > ftp> get package or mget packages
> >
> > keep at it and good luck.
>
> this is another problem my modem is a winmodem US Robotics/3Com. im afraid i
> cant ftp as what you are sayin. solving modem problem is another task
> waiting for me. these are my two problems with RH7 right now. but im not
> ready to back down yet. wish me luck man. good day to you there.
Once, you use "wvdial" program ...then, the problem is solved...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: can't umount /usr (busy?)
Date: 6 Jun 2001 06:35:40 GMT
Yesterday I was working on a Linux server (formerly RedHat 6.2 but
with new kernel) to update a Web Site that is hosted there, then I
decided to update the kernel (since I was at it).
After recompilation I give the "reboot" command...then the system
complained that he can't umount /usr because it was "busy" (??!!).
Using fuser seems that nobody is using it but the kernel
(/usr root kernel mount /usr).
So I proceeded to remove /usr from /etc/fstab and rebooted the
system the hard way. Everything work fine... (nobody is using
that server at the moment, and everything usefull is in /var).
But as soon as I mounted (manually) /usr, there we go again! I can't
dismount it!
Any idea ?
Davide
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From: seriousb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: su to root not anymore working. why is that?
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 08:55:36 +0200
two options:
install sudo, and use sudo su - (man sudo)
or reinstall su (which fixed it for me)
greetz,
sb
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From: "Oliver Maller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ALPha!!!!
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 07:17:47 GMT
hy all!
i want to install redhat 7 on a alpha pc 164lx i have chacked the hardwar
compatiplityand configured milo and i can try to boot the kernel but after
the part for scsi controller and devices kernel stops with message:
uniform cdrom driver revision 3.11
kernel unaligned trap at fffffc0000d43644
kernel unaligned trap at fffffc0000d43650
sym53c875-0-<0,*>:wide scsi(16bit) enabled
sym53c875-0-<0,*>: fast20 wide scsi 40.0 mb/s (50ns, offset)
scsi device sda : hdwr sector 512 bytes sectors = 8887200[4339 mb] [4.3gb]
partition check :
sda:sda1
major devicees are :fd(0002)sd(0008)sr(000B)sd(0041)
VFS: Disk change detected on device 11/0
kernel unaligned trap at fffffc0000d47908
kernel unaligned trap at fffffc0000d47910
max size 336348 log zone size 2048
first datazone : 28 root inode nummber 57344
MILO: faild to load kernel
pleas send me some solutions for this problem
best regards
oliver
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A plea to those posting questions
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 09:07:37 +0200
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter T. Breuer writes:
>> you may not make public announcements anonymously in any country that I
>> know of, let alone the US
> Where did you get that bizarre idea?
Every published item must carry the publishers name and address (look
at your books flyleaf, or at any advertising flyer).
Peter
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From: bart@[NoSpam]cts-bv.nl (Bart Lagerweij)
Subject: Bootable Linux CD "no emulation" mode?
Date: 6 Jun 2001 07:54:53 GMT
Hi all,
I'm a programmer and I know my stuff about creating all kind of bootable
CDs.
I already know howto create a bootable CD using a Linux "floppy image" in
BIOS or DISKEMU "floppy emulation" mode.
Does anybody know howto create a bootable linux CD, in "no emulation" mode.
Can Lilo be used in "no-emulation" mode, or some other loader?
Regards,
Bart.
--
Bart Lagerweij - http://www.nu2.nu
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: I need a really small distro for an old puter
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Boyd)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 08:20:48 GMT
Sunil Patel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matthew van de Werken wrote:
>>
>> "Riffraff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > The Martian wrote:
>> >
>> >> I actually got redhat 5 to run on a IBM PS/2 55sx, that things a
>> >> 386-sx16, with 8mb and a 120MB disk.
>> >
>> > I've got an old Gateway Nomad with 4MB. I suspect Linux on this one
>> > would be damn near impossible, yes?
>> >
>> > Oh well, it's about worthless anyway... :-/
>>
>> No, not impossible, in fact, I'd suggest this would be a good learning
>> project if you're interested.
>>
>> You might be interested in reading the Linux on a 4MB laptop HOWTO
>>
>> There's also a number of micro-distro's that could be useful; Tom's
>> Root-Boot might be a place to start, also the Linux Router Project.
>>
>> Do a search on Freshmeat and sourceforge; also go to
>> www.linuxrouter.org (?)
>
> I've a friend who has a 486/DX at 33Mhz, with 2Mb RAM, 512Kb Video and
> 110Mb Harddisk and just a floppy drive - currently running Windows 3.1,
> but could it run Linux?
>
> I imagine it damm well could, but which distro?
Hi Sunil. The distros that Matthew mentioned would work on your system
too, but they'll need lots of TLC. Of course, one of the problems with
those "micro-distros" is that they reside on floppy -- which means no GUI
and not even a lot of CLI tools. There is a distro I am looking at called
Small Linux, and this line from their home page makes me think it would
work for your friend:
"Small Linux has been used (console based) on a 386 laptop with 2 meg of
ram and a 40 meg harddrive."
The nice thing about Small Linux is that it comes with a reasonable amount
of goodies for the system -- even X windows if you can get the RAM up to 4
megs.
http://www.superant.com/smalllinux/
For me, I'm just trying to find people with experience using these distros
before I bother to invest my time (and wipe a working Win 3.1 install off
the drive). People with this experience are hard to find, though.
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From: "Tauno Voipio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bootable Linux CD "no emulation" mode?
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 08:26:59 GMT
"Bart Lagerweij" <bart@[NoSpam]cts-bv.nl> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm a programmer and I know my stuff about creating all kind of bootable
> CDs.
>
> I already know howto create a bootable CD using a Linux "floppy image" in
> BIOS or DISKEMU "floppy emulation" mode.
>
> Does anybody know howto create a bootable linux CD, in "no emulation"
mode.
>
> Can Lilo be used in "no-emulation" mode, or some other loader?
>
The bootable CD 'El Torito' specification is designed to run in floppy
emulation mode - the only thing that can be booted from the CD is a floppy
image. Point your favourite search engine to 'El Torito'.
The setup is a property of the BIOS CD driver, it has nothing to do when the
booted system is up and running. The specification tells how the emulation
can be turned off, but you have to have some other CD drivers in the memory
(from the emulated floppy image) before doing that.
Tauno Voipio
tauno voipio @ iki fi
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From: "Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: can't umount /usr (busy?)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:35:20 +0200
> Yesterday I was working on a Linux server (formerly RedHat 6.2 but
> with new kernel) to update a Web Site that is hosted there, then I
> decided to update the kernel (since I was at it).
>
> After recompilation I give the "reboot" command...then the system
> complained that he can't umount /usr because it was "busy" (??!!).
> Using fuser seems that nobody is using it but the kernel
> (/usr root kernel mount /usr).
I don't know fuser, but doesn't lsof show anything either?
Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: can't umount /usr (busy?)
Date: 6 Jun 2001 08:43:29 GMT
Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know fuser, but doesn't lsof show anything either?
good question... unfortunately the server is not here now... I will
try this evening and let you know...
didn't know about lsof, thanks for the point.
Davide
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From: Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG HTML Editor for linux
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:05:32 +0200
On 5 Jun 2001, Saqib Ali wrote:
> Is there a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for linux????
what makes you think there even could be a wys... editor for html?
Depending on what browser and os you use html looks different each time.
Why not use xemacs and then click on save and on reload in netscape
once in a while - works fine for me.
Gerald
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From: Juergen Pfann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bootable Linux CD "no emulation" mode?
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:35:47 +0200
Bart Lagerweij wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm a programmer and I know my stuff about creating all kind of bootable
> CDs.
>
> I already know howto create a bootable CD using a Linux "floppy image" in
> BIOS or DISKEMU "floppy emulation" mode.
>
> Does anybody know howto create a bootable linux CD, in "no emulation" mode.
>
Excerpt of "mkisofs" man page :
-no-emul-boot
Specifies that the boot image used to create "El
Torito" bootable CDs is a 'no emulation' image. The
system will load and execute this image without
performing any disk emulation.
-boot-load-seg segment_address
Specifies the load segment address of the boot
image for no-emulation "El Torito" CDs.
-boot-load-size load_sectors
Specifies the number of "virtual" (512-byte) sec�
tors to load in no-emulation mode. The default is
to load the entire boot file. Some BIOSes may have
problems if this is not a multiple of 4.
...and many more options around creation of "El Torito" bootable CDS.
> Can Lilo be used in "no-emulation" mode, or some other loader?
>
Sorry, don't know this one. I only burnt floppy-emulation CDs
so far.
> Regards,
> Bart.
>
HTH at least a little bit
Juergen
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From: bart@[NoSpam]cts-bv.nl (Bart Lagerweij)
Subject: Re: Bootable Linux CD "no emulation" mode?
Date: 6 Jun 2001 09:19:41 GMT
"Tauno Voipio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<nPlT6.2536$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>"Bart Lagerweij" <bart@[NoSpam]cts-bv.nl> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm a programmer and I know my stuff about creating all kind of
>> bootable CDs.
>>
>> I already know howto create a bootable CD using a Linux "floppy image"
>> in BIOS or DISKEMU "floppy emulation" mode.
>>
>> Does anybody know howto create a bootable linux CD, in "no emulation"
>mode.
>>
>> Can Lilo be used in "no-emulation" mode, or some other loader?
>>
>The bootable CD 'El Torito' specification is designed to run in floppy
>emulation mode - the only thing that can be booted from the CD is a
>floppy image. Point your favourite search engine to 'El Torito'.
The specification also has "harddisk" (type 4) and "raw" (no-emulation,
type 0) mode.
No emulation mode is used by NT4/W2K and others like "diskemu.bin" to boot
from CD, without the need of some kind of floppy emulation. In this mode
the entire CD can be read using int13h/ah=42h (extended int13) calls.
>The setup is a property of the BIOS CD driver, it has nothing to do when
>the booted system is up and running. The specification tells how the
>emulation can be turned off, but you have to have some other CD drivers
>in the memory (from the emulated floppy image) before doing that.
Or... for Dos you can load diskemu.bin/eltorito.sys.
Eltorito.sys is (the first?) hardware independent CD-Rom driver that loads
blocks from the CD-Rom using extended int13 calls.
More info on diskemu.bin and eltorito.sys can be found at:
http://www.nu2.nu/diskemu
>Tauno Voipio
>tauno voipio @ iki fi
--
Bart Lagerweij - http://www.nu2.nu
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From: bart@[NoSpam]cts-bv.nl (Bart Lagerweij)
Subject: Re: Bootable Linux CD "no emulation" mode?
Date: 6 Jun 2001 09:23:49 GMT
Juergen Pfann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>Excerpt of "mkisofs" man page :
> -no-emul-boot
> Specifies that the boot image used to create "El
> Torito" bootable CDs is a 'no emulation' image. The
> system will load and execute this image without
> performing any disk emulation.
> -boot-load-seg segment_address
> Specifies the load segment address of the boot
> image for no-emulation "El Torito" CDs.
> -boot-load-size load_sectors
> Specifies the number of "virtual" (512-byte) sec�
> tors to load in no-emulation mode. The default is
> to load the entire boot file. Some BIOSes may have
> problems if this is not a multiple of 4.
>
Yep, as I said: "I know my stuff about creating all kind of
bootable CDs."
Try searching google with "how to create a bootable cd" any look at the #1
entry ;-)))
I need to know if there is any linux loader that can load linux completely
from the booted CD using "extended int13 calls"(int13h/ah=42h).
--
Bart Lagerweij - http://www.nu2.nu
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From: "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux box cannot be seen in networkneighbourhood of win2000.
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 19:03:20 -0400
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Liverpool_fc"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> thank you.
>
> all the pc's and server are in the same subnet. 192.168.27.1 -
> 192.168.27.100
> there are no wins, dhcp or dns servers.
>
> simple lan with one rh6.2 box, 5 win98/95 boxes and one win2000
> workstation. only the win2000 cannot see the rh6.2 server in network
> neighbourhood.
>
does the win2k box have Service pack 1 installed on it? I think I read
on another group that SP1 messes things up with communication with Linux
computers.
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From: Anton Suchaneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: KDevelop cant find qt>=1.42 <2.0 -> Solution found, but why is that?
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:55:41 +0100
Anton Suchaneck wrote:
> I tried to create a new project with kdevelop 1.2 (SuSE 7.0), but although
> I have qtdevel-1.45 and qtlib-1.45 installed it keeps saying
> "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= 1.42 and < 2.0) (libraries)
> not found. Please check your installation! "
Hey again,
I found the solution.
Why does the test program include "qapp.h" and "qobjcoll.h"? I removed it
and configure worked.
bye
Anton
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Crossposted-To: redhat.general
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: A plea to those posting questions
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 06:42:02 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb) writes:
>On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 22:29:50 GMT, Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
>>(f) it displays sheer annoying ignorance of the fact that spam can easily be
>>filtered out.
> Oh, I'm well aware that spam can be filtered out. In fact, I know
>how to
>effectively filter it out. On the other hand stating that spam can
>easily be
>filtered out displays sheer annoying ignorance that by the time the
>filtering
>is done the damage is already done. I am well aware of my bandwidth
>usage and
>costs associated with it and I'd prefer not to edge those up with spam.
> That
>is /MY/ choice, not yours.
No, that's just plain wrong.
It is NOT our job to make sure our email addresses don't get on
everyone's marketing lists. It is our job to stop spamming by
stopping the spam sources and the spammers.
I will definitely not jump through any hoops (may they be as
tricky or easy-to-be-spotted as possible) to get a mail through.
I will not munge my address just because sneaky spammers may
collect it. They send me spam, I get their accounts nuked.
That's the only way to defend the right to use a valid address.
By just giving way or using incorrect addresses you're becoming part
of the problem, not part of the solution.
[...]
> I think it sets a good example. The less effective spam is, the better
>off we all are.
Wrong. The less effective the spammers are, the better off we all are.
And the best way is to stop the sending of spam in the first place.
[...]
> I never said overt, I said it could be deduced. Just as you got it from
>the references. Of course one could also ask me through ICQ and I would give
>it freely.
[...]
Pointless. I don't use ICQ nor any other messenger service, as they all
are plain security risks. Not to mention the fact that I will certainly
not go online just for to hunt for your email address - unless you pay
me for doing so.
Michael
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Lumber Cartel Unit #456 (TINLC) & Official Netscum
Note: If you want me to send you email, don't munge your address.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: Linux box hang every week
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 06:53:36 GMT
Frank Cheng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Hi, folks,
>We have a Compaq PC running Debian Linux with Kernal 2.0.38. It is a
>Pentium Box with 16MB RAM.
That's not very much, but it might be enough, depending from your
actual usage.
[...]
>This box hang every week.
At a given time?
>I do top to see if short of resource. CPU is
>not overloaded. Mem is still 1.5MB free plus 130MB free swap.
That should be plenty - as long as the swap space gets actually
_used_ at all.
[...]
>Rocketport sInitch(1,0,6) failed
>Rocketport sInitch(1,0,7) failed
>Call Trace: [<00125085>] [<0012c8c4>] [<0012c90b>] [<00125116>]
>[00123697>] [<001237af>] [<0010a941>]
> [<0017b9b4>}
>Code: 0f bf 42 0c 39 f0 75 18 0f bf 4a 0e 39 cb 7c 10 0f bf 42 10
>Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address c181e454
You're running out of memory.
It could be a bad swapspace, an unused swapspace or possibly a bad
memory module, although the latter should show up on every heavy usage.
Wild guess: Once a week, a cronjob is starting updatedb, which uses
lots of RAM, and your machine hangs.
Michael
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Michael Buchenrieder * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.muc.de/~mibu
Lumber Cartel Unit #456 (TINLC) & Official Netscum
Note: If you want me to send you email, don't munge your address.
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: linux box cannot be seen in networkneighbourhood of win2000.
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 06:58:17 GMT
"Liverpool_fc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>thank you.
>all the pc's and server are in the same subnet.
>192.168.27.1 - 192.168.27.100
>there are no wins, dhcp or dns servers.
>simple lan with one rh6.2 box, 5 win98/95 boxes and one win2000 workstation.
>only the win2000 cannot see the rh6.2 server in network neighbourhood.
[...]
Assuming you can send a ping from the win2k machine to the Linux
box, you'll need to update your Samba installation, as the win2k systems
need a newer samba package.
Michael
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Lumber Cartel Unit #456 (TINLC) & Official Netscum
Note: If you want me to send you email, don't munge your address.
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