Linux-Misc Digest #92, Volume #27 Mon, 12 Feb 01 02:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: A Beginner Asks About Linux (Mark Bratcher)
Re: netscape lock file (Mark Bratcher)
Difference between "su" and "su -" ? (Arctic Storm)
Re: Difference between "su" and "su -" ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Difference between "su" and "su -" ? (E J)
Re: help: setting up ips for dialing in (David Efflandt)
Re: A Beginner Asks About Linux (Vladimir Florinski)
Re: stupid mistake ("sandy")
Re: A Beginner Asks About Linux ("Matt O'Toole")
Re: A Beginner Asks About Linux ("Matt O'Toole")
Re: A Beginner Asks About Linux (Vladimir Florinski)
trouble ppp 2.3.11 & Kernel 2.2.16 ("Rao Garimella")
Linux Sucks... well not really ("Anurodh Pokharel")
Re: A Beginner Asks About Linux (Carl Fink)
Re: crash because SCSI device is off?? (Claus Atzenbeck)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Subject: Re: A Beginner Asks About Linux
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 03:11:25 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Noah Roberts wrote:
>Mark Bratcher wrote:
>
>> In article <3a84aefe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> >>2. Mandrake or Redhat? Which to get?
>> >
>> >Niether! Get Slackware or SuSE....Slackware preferably, but SuSE
>> >has rpm....both of the above mentioned distros are garbage (esp RH)
>> >
>>
>> Could you elaborate on why you believe RedHat is garbage?
>> I'm not being critical, I really do want to know why you have that
>> opinion.
>
>Well, just for an example of tipical RedHat.....
>
>In the Unix Admin class at the college we split into two groups, one got to choose
>between SCO and RedHat, the other got stuck with whatever was left. Now SCO takes
>hours to install, for some reason disk access seems incredibly slow during the
>procedure. So when the other team got to choose the decided on RH.....
>
>I am not sure if the ever DID get it installed....we got SCO installed in a day,
>had the user environment all configured and everything within 2.....they where
>still trying to get it to complete the install a week later, kept freezing.
I've installed RH (a few different versions) on several machines (x86 PCs
of various types) without any problems. Had them installed within an hour or two.
I don't know why yours froze up, or whether it is unusual or rare, but hasn't
happened to me. I'm not sure I would judge it on the basis of this one
particular class.
>
>Example 2: it is the only distro I know of that doesn't create a whatis DB during
>the install.....thats just silly and it shows a lack of proffensionalism since the
>system is incomplete without it.
OK, that's a fair comment. I have to admit I am unfamiliar with the "whatis DB"
(probably since I've been using RH :-)). I'll look that up and find out why I might
need it. So far, I haven't missed it.
>I don't know about binary compatability...what I do know is that RH has the
>messiest distro out there, and of course any based on it (ie. Mandrake) are also
>all fucked up. They are incredibly unstable since they base their system on
>bleeding edge Alpha software, the system is almost entirely unsuitable for
>anything.
I'm not certain of the basis for this comment. Again, not being critical, but
wondering if you know of many other examples besides perhaps the one you mentioned
above. As I mentioned, I have not had any problems with RH distros. Not sure
what you mean by "messy" or "all f**ked up" or unstable. My RH installations
have always run very well and stable. I've upgraded kernels and utilities using
standard source tar.gz files without any problems.
>Its just generally an ugly crappy system, Linux can be much better.
This is a fairly qualitative statement. I assume you mean compared to, say,
slackware (which you mention elsewhere).
>
>> I've been running RedHat for a few versions now and find it to
>> be easy to use, easy to configure, and there is lots of help availble
>> for it on newsgroups since so many people use it.
>
>Well, I'll bet you chose to install one of the preset installs....otherwise you
>spent a lot of time installing it.....and your also lucky to have such a nice time
>of it.
No I have never done the preset installs. Always done custom and never had any
problems with them. Lucky? Perhaps. I don't think the statistical sample is large
enough to run the Chi-Square test. :-)
> However, I will say with certainty that if you haven't tried Slackware
> then you have no idea how wonderful linux can be.
You may be right there. I haven't tried Slackware, but all that I've read on
this NG is making me very Slackware-curious. :-)
Thanks for the thoughts on this.
Mark Bratcher
To reply, remove both underscores (_) from my email name
===========================================================
Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Subject: Re: netscape lock file
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 03:17:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, James Silverton wrote:
>Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>>
>> James Silverton wrote:
>> >
>> > Eric Wertman wrote:
>> > >
>> > > All-
>> > >
>> > > Netscape continues to complain about a $HOME/.netscape/lock file, when
>> > > no such file exists. Anyone seen this and know the answer? Thanks!
>> > >
>> > > Eric Wertman
>> >
>> > In my experience, it is usually caused by attempting to have more than
>> > one instance of Netscape open at the same time. I have even managed it
>> > by accidentally double-clicking the Netscape item in KDE!
>> >
>> I do not think so. My sister and I were both logged into this machine at
>> the same time and we were each running Netscape at the same time. No
>> problems at all. She was logged in on her account and I on mine, of
>> course. Linux is a true multi-user multi-programming (and on this
>> machine, multi-processing as well) operating system, and fortunately
>> Netscape is smart enough to know it.
>
>Well, I just got the "Lock file" message while signing on to send this
>message. I admit I did it intentionally. It probably would not occur
>with two separate users.
>
>
The lock file is under ~/.netscape, so it is a per-user lock file.
You only get yelled at by netscape for multiple instances within
a single user session.
--
Mark Bratcher
To reply, remove both underscores (_) from my email name
===========================================================
Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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From: Arctic Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Difference between "su" and "su -" ?
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 03:49:43 GMT
When I change to root super user, I usually issue the command
su -
And this has worked for me well.
What's the difference between "su -" and "su" for root super user?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Difference between "su" and "su -" ?
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 04:16:59 GMT
Arctic Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> When I change to root super user, I usually issue the command
> su -
> And this has worked for me well.
> What's the difference between "su -" and "su" for root super user?
The difference is that 'su' keeps data about the existing session as
the previous user, whilst 'su -' tries to provide an environment like
what would be produced if you had logged in directly as root.
An immediate visible difference would be with PWD. Supposing you're
in /usr/src/linux, as your own ID, and then "su" to root.
-> 'su' would leave you in that same directory, with environment
variables retaining a whole lot of the values that were set up in
your user environment.
-> 'su -' puts you probably in directory /root, with the environment
set from root's .bashrc setup and such...
--
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@acm.org")
http://vip.hyperusa.com/~cbbrowne/internet.html
"The cost of living has just gone up another dollar a quart."
-- W.C. Fields
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Difference between "su" and "su -" ?
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 04:03:18 GMT
su - : You will inherit the root attributes from /root/.bash_profile
su : You will still use the user's attributes from user's
$HOME/.bash_profile
Arctic Storm wrote:
> When I change to root super user, I usually issue the command
> su -
> And this has worked for me well.
> What's the difference between "su -" and "su" for root super user?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.linux
Subject: Re: help: setting up ips for dialing in
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 04:26:55 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:15:35 GMT, David. E. Goble <goble@gtech> wrote:
>Hi all;
>
>Iam running RedHat 6.2 and trying to set it up as a server.
>
>Not sure how to setup the ip numbers. It will accept a call and allow
>login, but comes up with cant use ip.
>
>Here below are some of the files; hosts, options, options.srv,
>login.config, mgetty.config, resolv.conf, pap-secrets.
You are missing the 4th field in pap-secrets for the remote IP address
(see 'man pppd').
>############### pap-secrets ############
>user1 * ""
>user2 * ""
>
>
>
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/ http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/
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From: Vladimir Florinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Beginner Asks About Linux
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:21:27 -0700
Matt O'Toole wrote:
>
> I agree. And with disk space so cheap nowdays, there's no reason not to.
> One of the beauties of Linux is that you *can* do this; unlike Windows,
> where DLLs are overwritten no matter what, and there's nothing you can do
> about it.
>
And how, pray, do I tell which version of libc6 some piece of software was
compiled with?
--
Vladimir
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From: "sandy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: stupid mistake
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 04:51:48 GMT
Yes, I think you use F5 after the install screen appears.
Linux boots in a RAM disk and mounts your system
root partition as something like /mnt/system (do a "df").
After you straiten some things out you can test by changing
the root to the proper place (e.g. "chroot /mnt/system")
and try a couple of test programs.
Oh. I just re-read your post. You are on the correct track but
I just think you're a little confused. The rescue filesystem is
in RAM ... this isn't your "real" disk. Your root partition
on your "real" disk is mounted as indicated above, so you
need to "cd" down to it.
Your disk partition device files are not under /dev they
would be under something like /mnt/system/dev (see above).
"Noah Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> olliecat wrote:
>
> > I'm running RH 7.0 and stupidly overlayed my libc with garbage this
> > morning locking up everything. When I boot in rescue mode I have no
> > hd's in /dev so I can't mount my drive to fix it. When I do a regular
> > boot I get 'init: error in loading shared libraries' citing libc.so.6. I
> > really want to avoid reinstalling.
> >
> > Is there a way to at least get my hard drive mounted so I can recover
> > the libc file so I can boot again w/o having to reinstall? Can the
> > rescue disk help me in doing this?
>
> Don't know, but the Slackware install disks would.
>
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From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Beginner Asks About Linux
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 05:03:15 GMT
"Noah Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Mark Bratcher wrote:
>
> > In article <3a84aefe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > >
> > >>2. Mandrake or Redhat? Which to get?
> > >
> > >Niether! Get Slackware or SuSE....Slackware preferably, but SuSE
> > >has rpm....both of the above mentioned distros are garbage (esp RH)
> > >
> >
> > Could you elaborate on why you believe RedHat is garbage?
> > I'm not being critical, I really do want to know why you have that
> > opinion.
>
> Well, just for an example of tipical RedHat.....
>
> In the Unix Admin class at the college we split into two groups, one got
to choose
> between SCO and RedHat, the other got stuck with whatever was left. Now
SCO takes
> hours to install, for some reason disk access seems incredibly slow during
the
> procedure. So when the other team got to choose the decided on RH.....
>
> I am not sure if the ever DID get it installed....we got SCO installed in
a day,
> had the user environment all configured and everything within 2.....they
where
> still trying to get it to complete the install a week later, kept
freezing.
>
> Example 2: it is the only distro I know of that doesn't create a whatis DB
during
> the install.....thats just silly and it shows a lack of proffensionalism
since the
> system is incomplete without it.
>
> I don't know about binary compatability...what I do know is that RH has
the
> messiest distro out there, and of course any based on it (ie. Mandrake)
are also
> all fucked up.
Mandrake is no longer really based on Rredhat, although it includes most of
the Redhat utilities, and makes use of rpm. The difference is in the
details, which Mandrake has sorted out, and might I add better than most
others. Having done a bunch of different installations of Redhat, Mandrake,
Corel, Caldera, and Slackware, I can assure you that Mandrake is the
easiest, fastest route to a working system.
They are incredibly unstable since they base their system on
> bleeding edge Alpha software, the system is almost entirely unsuitable for
> anything.
Like, for example...
Matt O.
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From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Beginner Asks About Linux
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 05:08:39 GMT
"Vladimir Florinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Matt O'Toole wrote:
> >
> > I agree. And with disk space so cheap nowdays, there's no reason not
to.
> > One of the beauties of Linux is that you *can* do this; unlike Windows,
> > where DLLs are overwritten no matter what, and there's nothing you can
do
> > about it.
> >
>
> And how, pray, do I tell which version of libc6 some piece of software was
> compiled with?
Read the docs?
Matt O.
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From: Vladimir Florinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Beginner Asks About Linux
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:50:51 -0700
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> That's an upgrade, and the rest of your system will stay compatible ..
> my slackware 3.0 with lbc 5.4.38 is flying fine with kernel 2.4.0.
Slackware 3.0? Are you serious - this was released, what, 5 years ago? My first
Linux was Slackware 3.1 before I switched to Red Hat. That former came with libc
5.3.12, so it looks like you have upgraded :) But really, Peter, I think you
belong to a tiny minority of Linux users who still prefer that setup. I don't
know if your cause is good or bad, since I am not qualified to discuss the
relative merits of libc5 vs. libc6 (are you?), but it seems the vast majority
have settled on glibc.
--
Vladimir
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From: "Rao Garimella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: trouble ppp 2.3.11 & Kernel 2.2.16
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 05:14:56 GMT
Hi
I hope this is an appropriate place to post this message. If not please
indicate where it would be appropriate to post it.
I am having problems using pppd (ppp 2.3.11 [and ppp 2.4.0]) with linux
kernel 2.2.16 (both from the slackware 7.1 distribution.).
When I try to fire up a ppp connection (using the script ppp-go generated by
the pppsetup program), pppd dies and the file /var/log/syslog has a message
from the "chat" program saying that "Can't get terminal parameters -
Input/output error".
I tried to do it manually using minicom and manual starting of pppd. I
started minicom and dialed into my ISP which initialized PPP. Then I quit
_without_ resetting minicom and started pppd with the command "pppd -detach
/dev/ttyS0 38400 &". I get the following error:
ioctl(SIOCSIFMTU): No such device 19
tcflush failed: Input/Output error
I checked the HOWTOs, FAQs, READMEs with the PPP. I also searched the net
for mailing list archives. I've only seen the question posted at various
times but never an answer (well a hungarian site seems to have it but I am
limited to english).
I've setup PPP several times before with multiple machines and modems with
Kernel 2.0.33 and an older version of PPP. So clearly something has changed
in the kernel or PPP that is messing it up. Just don't know what!
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Rao
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Anurodh Pokharel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Sucks... well not really
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 00:29:16 -0500
well, not really and sort of..
I was recently having adiscussion with one of my windows using friends
trying to show him the light.
In the course of the discussion we came to a point where we had to
discuss net capabilities. I told him the usual about servers and security
compared to windows.. then we camp upon browsers.. linux has no good
browser anymore.. IE unfortunately is faster, more stable and renders
better than Netscape 4.xx .. mozilla is just big and slow... when it
shoudl be small and fast... so i find myself with asking why is our OS
handicapped when it comes to browsers... when it does everything better..
-Anurodh
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: A Beginner Asks About Linux
Date: 12 Feb 2001 05:04:10 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:21:27 -0700 Vladimir Florinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>And how, pray, do I tell which version of libc6 some piece of software was
>compiled with?
The documentation should help. You mean something like "linked
against," by the way. Compiled _with_ would mean static compilation,
which would include a copy of libc *inside* the executable and into
require no external libraries at the expense of a larger file.
You might look into strace. That program can tell you exactly what
external files a program needs in order to run.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum
<http://dm.net>
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From: Claus Atzenbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: crash because SCSI device is off??
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 07:17:39 +0100
Paul Lew wrote on Mon, 12 Feb 2001 02:33:10 GMT:
> Very unlikely as I have my scsi tape, cdwriter and scanner turned off
> until
> needed. Perhaps something in your OS wants to access the harddrive for
> whatever reason?
Not that I know. The hard drive is unmounted anyway, also my ZIP.
My crash might be caused by something else. No idea what. :-(
Claus.
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