Linux-Misc Digest #798, Volume #27 Sun, 6 May 01 21:13:01 EDT
Contents:
.cshrc won't load--?? (Robert B. Love)
Re: news/mail clients ("ivorybones")
Re: Good linux mail client (Jim Cochrane)
Re: not enough RAM during RH 7.1 install (Robert Heller)
Re: DHCP and Road Runner blues (Black Dragon)
Re: Soundblaster 16 PCI setup (Scott)
Re: File System going bad (Scott)
Re: news/mail clients (Floyd Davidson)
Run SCO apps on Linux (Paolo)
Re: Good linux mail client (Floyd Davidson)
Re: news/mail clients ("kos")
Re: question about mail (Frank Hahn)
Re: Loading modules (Dean Thompson)
Re: how to change the password in web page? (Dean Thompson)
serial port init(simple) (zaki)
non-color xterm (Charles Herman)
Re: Quick question: how to copy files *and* directories? (3FE)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert B. Love )
Subject: .cshrc won't load--??
Date: 6 May 2001 20:16:25 GMT
I just did a fresh install of RH 7.1 and everything went fine. Then
I created a user account for myself and chose tcsh as my default shell.
However, everytime I log in the .cshrc doesn't gets read. I'm left
with the default prompt and path and aliases, not the ones I'm trying
to create for myself. If I manually source the file, everything is
fine.
The .cshrc is world readable and I own it. The name is correct,
".cshrc" and I've tried ".tcshrc" also. Both the /etc/passwd file
and linuxconf show tcsh as my shell on the account.
What else can I try? How do I make my .cshrc get read in correctly
at login?
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================================================================
Bob Love
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "ivorybones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: news/mail clients
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 21:06:20 GMT
Take a look at Pan as a newsreader.
Find it at http://pan.rebelbase.com.
It seems to work quite well for me. As for a mail clint, let me know when
you find a good one. I am using Pronto, which really works quite well,
but does not have much support for html mail.
Don
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "andi"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm in the process of a slow migration to linux - but I need
> recommendations regarding mail and news clients.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cochrane)
Subject: Re: Good linux mail client
Date: 6 May 2001 15:18:31 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roy Culley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <9ci2em$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cochrane) writes:
>> In article <Jk4G6.182875$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cochrane) writes:
>>>> I've been having some trouble with Netscape's email client lately -
>>>> it may be time to find something that works better. Can anyone
>>>> recommend a good GUI-based email client that works well on a home
>>>> system with the email server on the other side of a ppp-connected
>>>> line?
>>>
>>>Hmm...
>>>
>>>Are you talking about the situation where you're pulling email in
>>>bits, on demand, from an IMAP server that sits on the other side?
>>
>> No.
>>>
>>>Or are you talking about pulling mail en masse from a POP server?
>>
>> Yes.
>>>
>>>If the latter, I'd commend EXMH. I've got a few hundred MB of mail
>>>archives on my machine [going back at least 8 years]; it's a
>>>reasonably robust repository for mail.
>>
>> Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check it out. Do you know if exmh can
>> filter emails into folders according to user-set criteria?
>
>Yes it can but your better using procmail for this. exmh is excellent. The
>O'Reilly book by Jerry Peek on mh is online and has a couple of chapters
>on exmh. Just point your browser at http://www.beedub.com/exmh/
Thanks for the link.
Actually, I use procmail on my ISP's server to filter out spam; but can
it be used in this context to place emails into "folders" according to
filtering criteria in a way that will be recognized by POP email
clients? Or - glancing at the procmail man page - it looks like I can
run procmail on my machine to filter messages pulled in from the POP
server. Is this the best way to do it? If so, I don't see many
details about this in the procmail man page. Do you know of any web
sites with info. about this or documents or man pages that explain
about filtering into folders? (I suppose the mh man page would be one
place to look.)
Thanks!
--
Jim Cochrane
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: not enough RAM during RH 7.1 install
Date: 6 May 2001 22:00:30 GMT
"Waldermar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Sun, 06 May 2001 17:33:46 GMT, wrote :
"> Remember the rule?
"> Don't upgrade your system on Fridays because stores are closed on
"> weekends, he-he...
"> I feel I'll end up doing that but it'll delay it by a couple of days,
"> and I want it now :)
">
"> As the matter of fact I installed RH on another machine with enough
"> RAM (that RAM didn't work in the comp. I'm trying to set up RH on)
"> and then transplanted the hard drive to my low-budget machine,
"> and surprisingly it works. Not sure if this the right way to do it.
"> Can somebody tell me if Linux configures itself during installation
"> for the specific motherboard resources or it reconfigures itself
"> on every boot, so what I did is actually OK?
Yes, actually it is OK -- the 'Checking for new hardware' hack covers
it. BTW: there is little in the way of *esentual* motherboard resources
that need install-time configuration: stuff like IRQs and I/O addresses
are picked up at boot time. The only real install-time config stuff is
things like X-Server stuff and things like extra hardware: CD-*, extra
disks (including Zip drives) and I/O cards. If the drive is IDE, the
transplant-install is perfectly OK. The only gotcha is stuff like SCSI,
X-Server, and stuff like the NIC (if any). ALL of which can be deferred
until after the reverse transplant.
">
"> You're right , 32M requirement is bogus, for the services I run it takes
"> less than 16M of RAM.
I'm guessing that the installer wanted to use the spiffy X11 installer.
I'd select 'text' mode -- this would probably use much less RAM.
">
"> Cheers,
"> -V.
">
"> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Dave Uhring"
"> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
">
"> > Waldermar wrote:
"> >
"> >> Hi,
"> >>
"> >> I'm trying to set up RedHat 7.1 on a 486x16M machine. Guess what - 7.1
"> >> wants more RAM (32???) and fails to install. I know, memory is cheap,
"> >> etc., but the question is can I make it work with 16? Anyone bypassed
"> >> it somehow?
"> >>
"> >> Thanks for any info,
"> >>
"> >>
"> >> --V.
"> >>
"> >
"> > Some OS's require more RAM for the install than they do when they
"> > actually run. Maybe you can borrow some memory just to do the install.
"> >
">
--
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Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Black Dragon)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.x,alt.linux.redhat,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: DHCP and Road Runner blues
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 21:43:05 GMT
On Sun, 06 May 2001 13:23:51 GMT in alt.linux,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `william crowell' said:
: furthermore, why buy more ethernet addresses? put a second nic in your
: machine and use ip masquerade. set up a hub on the second nic and make the
: ip address on the second nic the default gateway for the lan. make the rr
: nic the default gateway for your linux box. you can run a zillion computers
: on the lan side through the linux box.
: note that this violates the acceptable use policy.
No, using NAT does not violate anything, Road Runner just does not
*support* it. In other words, if you have a problem you're on your own.
You're on your own anyway if using anything but Win or a Mac and their
connectivity software. Read RR's terms of use policy, it's all spelled
out very clearly in it.
--
Black Dragon
Free the Software!
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From: Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Soundblaster 16 PCI setup
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 17:35:29 -0500
Ok then. That's what I needed to know.
(when I had OSS compiled in the kernel, I did have /dev/sndstat)
-Scotty
Rasmus B�g Hansen wrote:
>
> On Sat, 5 May 2001, Scott wrote:
>
> > I rebuilt the kernel with ensoniq 1371 loaded. I DO get sound,
> > but it's kinda staticy
> >
> > However, 'cat /dev/sndstat' gives me Device not found.
>
> /dev/sndstat is an OSS (OpenSoundSystem) feature. es1371 is a non-OSS
> driver and thus does not support /dev/sndstat (nor /proc/sound).
>
> > It was there when I had tried building the kernel with SB16 support.
> > But now it's not there...
>
> You should be able to get it by somehow configuring OSS - but I'm not
> 100% sure.
>
> I have a SB PCI 64, and I have never used /dev/sndstat nor /proc/sound
> but my card works fine anyway.
>
> Rasmus
>
> --
> -- [ Rasmus 'M�ffe' B�g Hansen ] --------------------------------------
> Drink wet cement: Get Stoned.
> ----------------------------------------- [ Remove 'spam' to reply ] --
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From: Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help,alt.linux.slakware
Subject: Re: File System going bad
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 17:43:27 -0500
Yes and no.
"I" didn't turn off a mounted FS. My power grid did, when
a storm came through. And my UPS didn't save me (which pissed
me off). I expect FS errors when that occurs.
I've only had my new RAM in there for a few days. It would
take weeks for the errors to show up. (fsck'ing would show
no problem for weeks, then suddenly, pow, bunches of them)
But I sure hope that was the problem.
-Scotty
Rasmus B�g Hansen wrote:
>
> On Sat, 5 May 2001, Scott wrote:
>
> > Took a power hit last night, and reboot's fsck gave me
> > 'Deleted inode xxxx has zero dtime. FIXED'
>
> Took a power hit? Do you mean you just turned off the machine while the
> filesystem was mounted? Then you ask for FS errors. ext2 is not
> journaling. Besides the above message means, that there were no serious
> trouble at all.
>
> > Those are the kind of things that got accumulated before,
> > without hostile shutdowns.
>
> You mean that you haven't got any errors (yet) with the new RAM? Sounds
> like a bad RAM block...
>
> Rasmus
>
> --
> -- [ Rasmus 'M�ffe' B�g Hansen ] --------------------------------------
> I'm a bastard. I have absolutely no clue why people can ever think
> otherwise. Yet they do. People think I'm a nice guy, and the fact is
> that I'm a scheming, conniving bastard who doesn't care for any hurt
> feelings or lost hours of work if it just results in what I consider
> to be a better system.
> - Linus Torvalds
> ----------------------------------------- [ Remove 'spam' to reply ] --
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: news/mail clients
Date: 06 May 2001 13:51:03 -0800
"ivorybones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Take a look at Pan as a newsreader.
>
>Find it at http://pan.rebelbase.com.
>
>It seems to work quite well for me. As for a mail clint, let me
>know when you find a good one. I am using Pronto, which really
>works quite well, but does not have much support for html mail.
>
>Don
>
>
>"andi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I'm in the process of a slow migration to linux - but I need
>> recommendations regarding mail and news clients.
Set up fetchmail, either as a daemon or in as a cron job, to
download email. Have fetchmail hand it off to sendmail, which is
also used for outgoing email, to distribute messages to users'
mail spool files. Then combine email and news by using GNUS,
either with GNU Emacs or XEmacs.
Once you have it working you will through rocks at everything
else...
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paolo)
Subject: Run SCO apps on Linux
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 22:29:33 GMT
Hi.
Forgive a newbie question.
Is it possible to execute SCO binary applications on Linux systems ?
Can anyone give me some pointer to related information ?
Thank you very much in advance.
Paolo
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Good linux mail client
Date: 06 May 2001 14:56:10 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cochrane) wrote:
>Actually, I use procmail on my ISP's server to filter out spam; but can
>it be used in this context to place emails into "folders" according to
>filtering criteria in a way that will be recognized by POP email
>clients? Or - glancing at the procmail man page - it looks like I can
>run procmail on my machine to filter messages pulled in from the POP
>server. Is this the best way to do it?
Another, perhaps more versatile, way to accomplish sorting email
is to use the GNUS package with either GNU Emacs or XEmacs. Of
course GNUS is normally also used to read news too, and the
effect is that each email folder is presented in the same manner
as a newsgroup. Blocks of newsgroups can be arranged for
different presentations too... for example I have individual
groups for each member of my immediate family and these groups
are highlighted in a way that is impossible to miss (bold red
text) when email shows up in one of them. Other important, but
less so than those, groups are highlighted in less drastic ways,
down to some mailing lists are displayed in very subdued text
that is easy to ignore for several days.
Hence my news and email groups are sorted and presented in a
prioritized manner that grabs my attention according to
predetermined importance.
I prefer to have cron run fetchmail to collect email from the
pop server and then hand it to sendmail for spooling to each
user, which allows adjusting the time interval for fetching
email, use of sendmail facilities, and permits a number of "out
of band" email arrival notification schemes. GNUS can also be
configured to fetch email directly from the POP server, but that
is not as flexible.
GNUS also archives all incoming email unless I explicitly delete
it, and also archives each out going email message (I archive
posted news articles in the same way, in monthly files, one each
for news and email.)
GNUS is not easy to set up and configure, or at least not until
one is familiar with it. But frankly the higher the volume of
email you get the more impressive it is, and in fact once it is
being used it makes sense to go out and sign up for every email
list that is even remotely interesting, because whether the mail
volume will be non-existent or enormous won't be of any concern
at all.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "kos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: news/mail clients
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 23:54:16 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "andi"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mandrake8 installs a proggie named PAN. It's just about the closest one
I've seen to agent. I can do just about everything that I used to do in
agent. Give it a try. Downloading binaries is a breeze.
kos
> I'm in the process of a slow migration to linux - but I need
> recommendations regarding mail and news clients.
>
> Mandrake 7.1 kernel 2.2.15-4 KDE desktop
>
> On my windows box I am using, and am totally satisfied with Forte Free
> Agent for news, which newsclient would people suggest for my linux
> machine. The features of the Forte package I particularly like are the
> ease of navigation, the automatic expansion of threads, and the fact
> that I can mark threads for automatic download of message bodies when
> only downloading headers. Had a go with KNews but having trouble getting
> it to play as I want :-)
>
> ____________________________________
>
> "A Single Open Mind,
> can open any door"
>
> Sonia Rutstein
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Hahn)
Subject: Re: question about mail
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 00:10:04 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 06 May 2001 17:36:07 +0200, Repo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bob Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> when i use mutt i can get it to send mail but it doesn't seem to recieve
>> any mail. does this mean that my sendmail isn't configured properly? can
>> sendmail actually receive messages too, as opposed to sending them?
>
> You can configure fetchmail to retrieve the mail from your pop account
>
Also, depending on how mutt was configured when it was compiled, it
will download email via the pop protocol. For example, here is
the output of "mutt -v" command from my machine:
mutt -v
Mutt 1.2.5i (2000-07-28)
Copyright (C) 1996-2000 Michael R. Elkins and others.
Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type mutt -vv'.
Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; type mutt -vv' for details.
System: SunOS 5.6 [using slang 10402]
Compile options:
-DOMAIN
-DEBUG
-HOMESPOOL -USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK
-USE_IMAP -USE_GSS -USE_SSL +USE_POP -HAVE_REGCOMP +USE_GNU_REGEX
+HAVE_COLOR +HAVE_PGP -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS -ENABLE_NLS
SENDMAIL="/usr/lib/sendmail"
MAILPATH="/var/mail"
SHAREDIR="/usr/local/share/mutt"
SYSCONFDIR="/usr/local/etc"
-ISPELL
To contact the developers, please mail to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
To report a bug, please use the muttbug utility.
When I compiled it, here is how I configured it:
./configure --enable-pop --disable-nls --with-regex --with-slang
--
Frank Hahn
A countryman between two lawyers is like a fish between two cats.
-- Ben Franklin
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From: Dean Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Loading modules
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 10:10:07 +1000
Hi Scott,
[...]
>
> I added modules to /etc/rc.d/modules.rc but that didn't seem to do it.
> Can anyone explain this, or point me to something besides the howto?
>
> When I do a kernel rebuild, and 'make modules' the modules
> are compiled, but not moved to /lib/modules/2.2.16/...
> Do I have to move them manually?
> 'make bzlilo' installs the kernel for me, am I just too spoiled by this?
You need to do a "make modules_install" to shift your modules across to the
appropriate directory under the /lib/modules directory hierarchy.
>
> As an example, I added sound support to my kernel. Was it even
> nessesary to rebuild? Could I have just loaded sound.o and
> es1371.o? I couldn't figure out where to get those to load.
> (lsmod didn't show them as loaded)
If the modules were in existence before the compile in the /lib/modules
directory, then the answer was probably yes. Under Redhat the file
/etc/modules.conf plays a big role in deciding which modules are loaded with
each device. I am not sure whether SuSE has the same approach (it probably
does, just that it uses different names).
You might also like to check to see whether SuSE has a program called
"sndconfig" which allows you to configure your sound card. This will handle
the loading of the appropriate modules for sound when your system boots.
See ya
Dean Thompson
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| Dean Thompson | E-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
| Bach. Computing (Hons) | ICQ - 45191180 |
| PhD Student | Office - <Off-Campus> |
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From: Dean Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.security,tw.bbs.comp.unix,tw.bbs.comp.xwindow
Subject: Re: how to change the password in web page?
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 10:11:52 +1000
Hi!,
> how to change the password in web page?
Do you want to change a users password from a web page or do you want to
change the password associated with accessing a web page ?
See ya
Dean Thompson
--
+____________________________+____________________________________________+
| Dean Thompson | E-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
| Bach. Computing (Hons) | ICQ - 45191180 |
| PhD Student | Office - <Off-Campus> |
| School Comp.Sci & Soft.Eng | Phone - +61 3 9903 2787 (Gen. Office) |
| MONASH (Caulfield Campus) | Fax - +61 3 9903 1077 |
| Melbourne, Australia | |
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Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 19:49:36 -0400
From: zaki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: serial port init(simple)
Hello,
I use mandrake 8.0 and an external modem. My modem is in irq 4 but it is
detected in irq 3 by default. So each time i reboot i have to use
'setserial /dev/ttyS3 irq 4' before i can use my modem. How can i make
this change permanent so i dont have to re-type it after i reboot?
Thanks.
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From: Charles Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: non-color xterm
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 00:41:19 GMT
Every xterm I open (wherther regular xterm, gnome terminal, color xterm)
in RH 7.0 KDE, displays different colors for different types of files.
How can I disable this feature, ie, I want only one color for all files.
-charles
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (3FE)
Subject: Re: Quick question: how to copy files *and* directories?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 01:03:31 GMT
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:19:52 +0200, Erik Veenstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> insisted:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > I apologize for not having the time to search more myself for an
> > answer to this basic question...
> >
> > I want--in a single command--to copy a directory ***and all files and
> > subdirectories within that directory*** to another location.
> >
> > I know how to copy single or multiple files using cp, but can't seem
> > to find any info online about how to copy all files *and*
> > subdirectories at once.
>
> cp -a
cp -R
--
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
TopQuark Software & Serv. Contract programmer, server bum.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Give up Spammers; I use procmail.
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