Linux-Misc Digest #798, Volume #18 Thu, 28 Jan 99 16:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: PPP dial-up connection with RH5.2 (Gregory Propf)
How to set RTS and DTR on serial port (Shiuh Deh Liew)
CS4236 support? (Grand Poobah of PRAM)
Re: Linux OS Imaging (Matt Kressel)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Emery Lapinski)
ANNOUNCE: RamLinux - boot-rescue system (Kent Robotti)
Re: why are linux x apps so slow? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Corel WP8.0 Personal Edition is Out! (Christopher Browne)
Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise (Christopher Browne)
linux on thinkpad? (StLSD2000)
Re: enabling 'LF->CR/LF' ("J�rgen Exner")
Re: Help! - 3 quick newbie questions (tar, bin, and unmounting) (Mike Jackson)
Hey, lookit what 2.2.0 says! (Re: Weird /proc/cpuinfo information) (Stephen Richard
FREELAND)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (William Wueppelmann)
Wierd netscape behavior during dns lookups (Daniel Kiracofe)
Linux show on realaudio (A Dark Elf)
Re: IDE drives are slower under Linux comparing to Win95? (Gary Momarison)
Re: Looking for software on the Net (Ed Szynaka)
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From: Gregory Propf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: PPP dial-up connection with RH5.2
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:43:22 GMT
steve wrote:
>
> I recently installed RH5.2. I used netcfg to configure my ppp connection
> as instructed by RH support, I believe everything there to be right. I
> click activate and the modem dials out, connects and then hangs up in
> about 20-30 seconds.
>
> First, where is the log file so I can look at it.(Debug is enabled)
> Second, my ISP says (I don't think they really know for sure) they don't
> use PAP and alas I have tried it with PAP and without to the same end.
>
> Please help, it's getting a little frustrating and I'm about to give up.
> I tired of trying to decipher the endless trail of FAQ's and HOWTO's and
> mini-HOWTO's and man pages.
I recently posted with the exact same problem under 5.1. The modem
would dial out and then hang up after 20-30 seconds. When I changed the
IRQ of the modem from 4 to 5 (this is where it was in Windows which did
not have the hang-up problem) the modem began to respond to AT commands
much faster. I haven't had the chance to verify that this is why the
modem was hanging up but my theory is that the misconfigured IRQ was
causing the modem buffer to fill up and then the thing simply gave up
and dropped the link. Why it worked *at all* on the wrong IRQ is still
puzzling. Hope this helps even though the original message I posted
seems to have been aged out. - Greg
BTW - the command to change IRQ
"setserial /dev/your.modem.device irq arg" - as root.
--
-- homepage: http://members.home.net/gregp/ --
"I wanted plutonium, not Beanie Babies..."
- Sadaam Hussein, in a letter to Santa Claus.
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From: Shiuh Deh Liew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to set RTS and DTR on serial port
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:55:12 -1000
Folks,
It would be great if someone out there could tell me or point me to where
I can get information on how to set and reset the RTS and DTR pins of a
serial port.
Thank you very much.
Have a good day.
Shiuh
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grand Poobah of PRAM)
Subject: CS4236 support?
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:42:49 GMT
Is there a module out there for this chip set?
--
"President Clinton has perfected the art of the disarmingly tedious
speech to the point where the only thing we have to look forward to is the
inevitable Republican rebuttal, just to see what trickery the party of
Lincoln employs to appear more inept than the president."-the Sucksters
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
From: Matt Kressel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux OS Imaging
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:23:50 GMT
Charles Wilkins wrote:
>
> I am looking for solutions that allow easy transfer and archiving of the
> linux OS.
>
> Is there a utility that allows copying or archiving/imaging of the linux
> native and linux swap partitions for the purpose of upgrading harddisk
> sizes?
>
>
Look into "cpio" as this has the archiving tools you may need.
-Matt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Emery Lapinski)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: 28 Jan 1999 19:10:48 GMT
In article <78q1d3$icl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst Darin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>eloquently scribe:
>
>: Actually, saying who started computing is a difficult question, since
>: there were so many steps involved. Computing revolution is as
>: difficult too.
>
>A good place to start is the first stored program computer...
>Which was designed and built in Manchester.
How about:
Scientific American Annual Index 1988
Computer is unearthed in the jungle of Apraphul,
An ancient rope-and-pulley. April, page 96.
Emery
(Of course, it was in the APRIL issue...)
--
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This post is Copyright 1997 Emery Lapinski and is distributed under the terms
and conditions of GNU's General Public License.
It's what the astronauts drink!
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From: Kent Robotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: ANNOUNCE: RamLinux - boot-rescue system
Date: 28 Jan 1999 03:05:30 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Begin3
Title: RamLinux
Version: 1.3
Entered-date: 27JAN99
Description: Small ram linux system for the purpose of system
booting and repairing, a boot-rescue system.
You can keep this small ram linux system on your Dos
or Win95/98 system in a directory, and use it to mount
other partitions.
It has support for these filesystems.
msdos <Dos OS filesystem, read-write>
umsdos <Allows Linux to run on a Dos system, read-write>
vfat <Win95/98 OS filesystem fat16 and 32, read-write>
ext2 <Linux OS filesystem, read-write>
hpfs <OS/2 filesystem, read-only>
iso9660 <Cdrom filesystem + joliet extensions, read-only>
minix <Minix OS filesysyem, read-write>
ntfs <Windows NT filesystem (read-write) this is
experimental so procede with caution>
ufs <FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD filesystems, read-write>
The kernel is version: 2.1.132
You need at least 8 Megabytes of RAM = Memory to boot
RamLinux.
You need at least a 386 CPU to boot RamLinux.
You can extract it like this
'C:\ ram-13.exe'.
It's a RAR archive, if you want to extract it on
a linux system do this 'unrar x ram-13.exe'.
Read C:\ramlinux\README
Keywords: Small Boot-Rescue System
Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kent Robotti)
Maintained-by:
It's in Incoming now, should be moved shortly to
recovery.
ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/Incoming
Primary-site: ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/recovery
Alternate-site:
Platforms: Dos and Win95/98 in dos mode.
Copying-policy: GPL
End
P.S. It can also be installed on two 1.44 floppys and booted, using the
'floppy' script that's included on the ramlinux system.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: why are linux x apps so slow?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 03:08:56 GMT
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:52:49 GMT, Frederick Senn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>linux counts as a fast and reliable os.
>samba 2.0 claims to be the fastest smb package out there.
>I don't doubt this a single instant.
>
>yet, why are netscape or wordperfect behaving so slowly on my pentium
>200mhz compared to their windows versions?
I can't speak for WordPerfect, although I suspect the answer may be the
same as for Netscape.
The answer comes in one word:
Motif
Netscape at this point uses the Motif GUI toolkit, which, while billed
as a "standard," is pretty buggy, definitely bloated, and has a
propensity for slowness. Mozilla efforts are now centred on the use of
GTk, which is neither piggy nor slow. And is new enough that it hasn't
accreted as many egregarious unfixable bugs that people depend on...
--
But what can you do with it? -- ubiquitous cry from Linux-user partner.
(Submitted by Andy Pearce, [EMAIL PROTECTED])
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Corel WP8.0 Personal Edition is Out!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 03:09:01 GMT
On 27 Jan 1999 10:18:05 -0700, Steven Castillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter D. pawelek) writes:
>
>> I just wanted to announce that Corel's Wordperfect 8.0
>> Personal Edition for Linux is out in the stores. I picked
>> mine up here in Montreal for $89.00 (Canadian). Glad to
>> see that it finally arrived!! Oh, and it has a manual...
>> a big thick one at that. Kudos to Corel for bucking the
>> trend and providing good paper documentation!
>>
>> Peter ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
>I received my copy from Linuxmall for $47.
According to my calculations:
(let
((usdprice 47)
(exchangerate 1.35)
(gst 1.07)
(qst 1.08)
(endprice 89))
(- endprice
(* usdprice
exchangerate
gst
qst)))
15.6772
I'd say that Peter may have gotten charged about $16 for the benefit of
a store in Quebec shipping it in from Ottawa and displaying it on their
shelf, at least compared to your pricetag. (I could be off by up to a
percent on QST. I haven't been in Quebec for a couple of years; have
been to Ottawa, but not over to the Quebec side...)
--
"...Deep Hack Mode--that mysterious and frightening state of
consciousness where Mortal Users fear to tread." (By Matt Welsh)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 03:09:04 GMT
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:15:07 -0800, Mark Ramos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>After receiving emails and seeing the threads on RAM limitations I realize
>that this is yet another hardware limitation based on the PC architecture.
>So I see Linux trying to gain acceptance in the high end market but there
>are so many limitations. To list a few:
>
>1. Memory bandwith limitation (just found that out) due to the 32bit
>addressing of Intel cpu's.
>
>2. 1024 cylinder boundry in which the kernel can't sit on your disk after
>the 1024th cylinder or after the 3rd disk (I believe).
>
>3. You can't boot without a video card (under most bioses).
>
>4. You can't initialize the system from the serial port. I am running
>systems now from console (thanks to Linux) but it starts at the lilo
>prompt. I can't go into CMOS or see the memory count at boot up, etc. like
>it can be done on Sparc architecture, SGI, HP..... Supposedly it can be
>done with an add on board that is used in Compaq servers but c'mon this is
>a joke!
>
>You may think I am just complaining but if your environment is nearly all
>Sparc architectures and you want to put a PC in because it costs so much
>less and you are trying to convince your IT manager that Linux on a PC can
>compete with the "other guys" then how do I explain that the Intel boxes
>are crippled? Yeah you can say put Linux on the Sparc's but when we
>already have Solaris why convert to Linux on those? Just because it's
>"Linux"? I don't think so. Motherboard and cpu manufacturers need to get
>their ass moving and stop waiting for Merced and fix these compatability
>issues with the current hardware.
The problem isn't intrinsically with Linux; it is quite obviously a
motherboard/BIOS issue. The problems come up before Linux "comes up to
bat." If you don't have a keyboard connected, and the BIOS requires a
keyboard, the machine won't get around to booting *anything,* whether
Linux, Win9x, Win00, WinNT, Solaris86, SCO, UnixWare, or whatever else.
Suggesting that this is a "Linux problem" is simply not correct.
And I suspect it will not be rapidly solved. The problem is that the
vendors of motherboards are selling primarily a high-volume sold
product.
Putting extra effort in to add the (useful) features you suggest would
cost money, some of it being a one-time cost of "fixing the BIOS," but
other of it being costs that would accrue for every motherboard. If it
costs an extra $0.25 per motherboard, and they can't expect to charge an
extra $10 for it, then it's probably not going to happen.
All this being said, there is at least one project
<http://www.linkscape.net/openbios/> to build a GPLed BIOS. Some of the
functionality that you'd like could get deployed via a free BIOS.
(Supposing OpenBIOS gets a) completed, and b) readily deployed.)
In practice, it is not realistic that these things will change until
there is a widely deployed system that doesn't require a console.
Item 1 (32 bitness) can't be resolved on IA-32, as it's a 32 bit
architecture.
Item 2 (Boot partition start location limitations) could be resolved by
a GPLed BIOS; aside from that, vendors of motherboards that get most of
their sales out of WinTel users won't care about your issue until sales
start suffering due to it.
Items 3 and 4 (Booting using serial control, and without video card)
could perhaps be resolved by a GPLed BIOS. Again, when they are selling
at this point 99.most% of their product to users that *do* have video,
and a *big* chunk of that to WinTel users that don't have a usable
system without video, this is certainly not an issue that they perceive
as a problem.
When there isn't a vendor selling "headless motherboards," nobody buys
them. And nobody sees that there *could* be a market for it.
I'm not sure how to "jump start" this so as to start a market.
--
"...Deep Hack Mode--that mysterious and frightening state of
consciousness where Mortal Users fear to tread." (By Matt Welsh)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: StLSD2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: linux on thinkpad?
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:44:05 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is anyone out there running slackware on a thinkpad 1450 i? I'm having
some problems and am having a hell of a time getting them solved...
StLSD2000
"Don't be such a dick in the M.U.D."
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From: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: enabling 'LF->CR/LF'
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:38:18 -0800
Michel Catudal wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Marc Greene wrote:
>>
>> I just configured a DeskJet 400, and had the same problem, I think the
>> option is now labeled 'fix stair-stepping text' or one of the other
>> 'printing options' in the 'Select filters' dialog. Though you probably
>> figured that out by now :-)
>>
>
>How do you fix the problem on the command line mode. This only applies
>for the X mode.
The solution is decribed in detail under the topic "Staircase effect" in the
printing HOWTO.
jue
--
J�rgen Exner; microsoft.com, UID: jurgenex
Sorry for this anti-spam inconvenience
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From: Mike Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux
Subject: Re: Help! - 3 quick newbie questions (tar, bin, and unmounting)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:45:32 GMT
.bin might be a mac binhex file, or it could be an executable. Depends on where
you got it,
who made it, etc. It's more likely that it's a binhex file. There are
utilities to deal with these, but
off hand I'm not sure what they are.
If you think that tar is just sitting, run it with "v" for verbose, that way you
can see what's going
on (or at least the files that have be untared so far). StarOffice is rather
large, and it did take a little bit
on my machine (scsi UW), so it may not be all that "unnormal".
umount is the command for unmounting. You'll want to supply the path to the
mount point.
Preston Crawford wrote:
> I have quick three newbie questions.
>
> First of all what does one use to unzip a .bin file? I'm familiar with
> gunzip and tar, but not bin.
>
> Secondly, how long should it take to untar a large file such as StarOffice?
> I downloaded it and brought it home and it sits for quite a while. Is this
> normal?
>
> Finally, to bring these files home I mounted my internal zip drive. How does
> one "unmount" a drive when they are finished using it?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Preston
--
--mikej
-=-----
mike jackson
is coordinator @ qualimetrics, inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.qualimetrics.com
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From: Stephen Richard FREELAND <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hey, lookit what 2.2.0 says! (Re: Weird /proc/cpuinfo information)
Date: 28 Jan 1999 03:18:58 GMT
Saint Standard of the Deviations <#kruman#@radix.net> wrote:
: I have a P5-200 running RH 5.2. When I run "cat /proc/cpuinfo" on
: this beast, I get the following:
[ snip ]
: Now everything else tells me that this is indeed a P5-200, so why am I
: getting the weird results from cpuinfo?
Not weird at all. If you're referring to the "Pentium 75+" line,
don't worry, it doesn't mean you have a 75MHz Pentium, it has you a Pentium
running *at least* 75 MHz.
But hey, look what's in /proc/cpuinfo for the brand-spanking-new
2.2.0 kernel:
fate:/sbin\> cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 5
model : 2
model name : Pentium 75 - 200
stepping : 12
cpu MHz : 200.459258
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
sep_bug : no
f00f_bug : yes
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8
bogomips : 80.08
That's some kinda weird number of MHz! 200.459258? Wow, I got
0.459258 MHz for *free*! I only paid for a 200MHz machine!
Ciao... . SNF .
--
Steve 'Nephtes' Freeland | Okay, so maybe I'm a tiny itty little
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | bit of a minimalist.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:13:24 GMT
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:33:46 -0600, the artist formerly known as pdohert said:
>Michael Powe wrote:
>> Doh! Computers were invented in England. Get it? If you don't, get
>> a library card and do some reading. You <can> read something more
>> complicated than a newsgroup, can't you?
>
>Who invented the transistor, IC and microprocessor on which the first
>computers were built? Without those technologies the chop-shopping
>you're referring to (which is no more than Dell or Gateway does now) is
>hardly an accomplishment. The *ability* to build a computer came from
>the technologies developed over here, and unless you are demonstrating
>prrof otherwise my statement stands.
The first *electronic computer*, the ENIAC was invented in the United States,
three years *before* the transistor. (Computers had been around for about a
decade before the IC was invented). The Colossus I, an electro-mechanical
computer was invented in England a year before the Harvard Mark I was invented
in the United States. Some consider Charles Babbage's Analytical Engine to be
the first computer (England, c.1870), though I don't think it was ever built.
Whether you consider this, or Colossus, ENIAC or UNIVAC to be the first
computer I suppose depends on your own definition of what constitutes a
computer. However, to England's credit, a whole lot of the underlying
principles of computing (Boolean logic, Turing machine, etc.) are English
ideas.
--
William Wueppelmann
Linux may be open source, free, stable, and powerful but Windows is, umm...
uh... erm...
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From: Daniel Kiracofe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Wierd netscape behavior during dns lookups
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:43:27 -0500
I'm experiencing some bad problems with netscape and dns lookups. If
the
hostname in question is in the local name server's cache, everything is
good.
But, if the local name server has to go out and look for the name
(taking a
second or two on slow sites), netscape's cpu usage jumps to 99% and it
starts
leaking memory like crazy. I can actually get the load average above 1
just
by looking up slashdot! Once the name is looked up, the cpu quites down
and memory usage levels out.
I have tried this on kernels 2.0.35, 2.1.132, and 2.2.0, with the exact
same
results. I have tried several of the Netscape 4.0 series, as well as
4.5.
I'm using libc 5.4.46 (but I also tried libc 5.4.44 with same results).
If I
use lynx, no problems. I can use nslookup and dig fine.
The only thing I can think of that has changed is that I went from a
Cyrix 166 to an AMD K6-2 350 (it's Tyan board with the VIA chipset). I
no
longer have the Cyrix board, so I can't swap it back in a see if that's
the problem.
Has anyone else seen anything like this? Anyone with K6-2s been able
to
run Netscape fine?
--
/* Daniel */
http://users.gurulink.com/drk
"Fear is only afraid of the absence of itself" - Mediocrates
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
From: A Dark Elf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux show on realaudio
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:12:24 -0600
I'm trying to start a project being a half-hour per day Linux
realaudio show. We would need 1 or 2 animators for the show, and they
would basicly answer questions that users would send via email, and tell
the important Linus news of the day. Currently I have a small realaudio
server for limitted use. I'm looking for anyone with radio experience that
knows Linux well and would be interested in doing that. Also bigger
realaudio servers would be nice. Anyone interested in making this project
a real thing please contact me.
btw this is a non-paid job, to help the community, the end-users who want
to install Linux and have problems with it.
Patrick Lambert
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: IDE drives are slower under Linux comparing to Win95?
Date: 28 Jan 1999 11:32:25 -0800
"Bob Glover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Have you tried hdparm -c ?
> For Pete's sake be careful though!
So how does Pete be careful? What does he do?
Install a test Linux on a spare partition and
then do it?
It sounds interesting, but sounds like something nobody has
really tested. I've never heard of it until now.
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From: Ed Szynaka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: Looking for software on the Net
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:11:12 -0500
Mike Wither wrote:
>
> All;
> Where are some good places on the Internet to find software for Linux
> and its RPM, free or not? This can be a directory of places too.
>
http://www.linuxapps.com
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