Linux-Misc Digest #806, Volume #27 Tue, 8 May 01 00:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Can you run 2 different Os systems on one computer (Jerry Kreps)
Re: time adjustment (Jerry Kreps)
RedHat 7.1 upgrade mouse problems... (Jeffrey Hood)
CD-RW SCSI emulation problems ("Philip Lee")
Re: Do I need /usr/local, /opt, /tmp and /var partitions? (Stanislaw Flatto)
heeeeeelp bind 9.1.0 (Shore Linux Solutions)
announce May specials (Security Dept. at Announce Communications)
Re: keymap problem (Patrick Lamb)
How come... ("kalasend at YAHOO dot COM")
Linux File Size Limit (ext2)
Re: How come... (Jimbob)
Re: that PCMCIA question (Linksys PCMPC100 V2/Dell Inspiron 4000) (Jerry McBride)
Re: How come... (Jan Schaumann)
Re: kppp problems... (Dances With Crows)
Problem with mouse on laptop with RedHat 7.1 (Leonard Evens)
problem using the nvidia driver under rh ("ThanhVu Nguyen")
Re: RedHat 7.1 upgrade mouse problems... (Leonard Evens)
Re: CD-RW SCSI emulation problems (Dances With Crows)
Re: How come... (Dances With Crows)
Re: Linux File Size Limit (ext2) (Dances With Crows)
Re: How come... (Paul Kimoto)
Re: news/mail clients (Grant Edwards)
Re: Can you run 2 different Os systems on one computer (Grant Edwards)
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From: Jerry Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can you run 2 different Os systems on one computer
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:13:59 -0500
Grant Edwards wrote:
> In article <3af6d4e2$0$41623$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, LP wrote:
>
> >http://askearth.com/go/view_request?request=214&r=7
>
> Yes, you can run two different OSes on one computer.
>
And even at the same time if you use VMWARE...
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From: Jerry Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: time adjustment
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:18:05 -0500
Richard Laskey wrote:
> * wroot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've heard that there are time servers or something that a UNIX
> > system can connect to to adjust its clock. Is it true and is it
> > possible to do it under Linux?
>
> Yep, you are looking for NTP. Just run ntpdate $(ntp_server) as
> root.
> I use bitsy.mit.edu as a server, and it works every time. Of
> course, you need to get the ntp tools for your distro before you can
> run the
> command. For slackware, the package is xntp.tgz, though it
> shouldn't be too tough to find the one for you.
I use ntpdate -b ntp2.kansas.net
and have the quad addresses for that URL in /etc/ntp.conf as
## Outside source of synchronized time
##
## server xx.xx.xx.xx # IP address of server
server 199.240.130.12 # US KS ntp2.kansas.net
server 199.240.130.1 # US KS ntp1.kansas.net
server 205.138.126.83 # US NB allison.radiks.net
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From: Jeffrey Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: RedHat 7.1 upgrade mouse problems...
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 00:24:47 GMT
I just upgraded my dual boot box (Windows 98 / RedHat 6.2) box to RedHat
7.1... Everything went pretty good, but when booting up and trying to
start X, I get the following error...
Cannot open device /dev/mouse
...
Device or resource busy
I tried running Xconfigurator, mouseconfig, etc, and all -seem- to be
okay with the Microsoft Intellimouse PS/2 mouse selection, but it always
fails on the load of X...
cat /dev/mouse gives a Device or resource busy also... X does work, as
long as I configure the mouse to com1, but then there -is- no mouse, so
that has limited use... :) also tried redoing the symlink from
/dev/mouse to /dev/psaux again... no go...
I have also tried setting the X config file to /dev/psaux by hand, but no
go... Everything worked fine previously, and I know that the mouse is
functioning properly on the PS/2 port (I'm typing this from Windows right
now...)
Does anyone have any ideas what could be tying up the device ??? I shut
down everything that I could and nothing gave it up... gpm gives the
same device busy error...
I'm out of ideas... ?!?
Thanks in advance...
JH
--
Jeffrey Hood
HM Consulting
jhood at (you - know - why) hmcon dot com
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From: "Philip Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: CD-RW SCSI emulation problems
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:39:52 -0400
I am stuck on how to get linux to start my cd-rw with the ide-scsi driver. I
use loadlin NOT LILO. Is there ANY way possible for me to do that without
lilo?
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From: Stanislaw Flatto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Do I need /usr/local, /opt, /tmp and /var partitions?
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 10:54:32 +1000
Welcome to Linux-land!
Judging by the question, you are a tourist, learning your way around.
Not knowing what will be the usage of the system, there is NO definitive
answer.
For about three years mine installs included only two partitions swap and
root, till I knew enough where I need more and what is not used.
And the usual mistakes on the way.
But it IS part of the fun.
So:
Have fun.
Stanislaw.
Slack user from Ulladulla.
wroot wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does it really make sense to create /usr/local or /opt or /tmp or /var?
> If I run Debian Potato or Redhat6.2 and install
> KDE2 or other software that is ahead of its distribution in /opt or
> /usr/local (separate partition) instead of installing it with all other
> software, will I be
> a) more happy
> b) less happy?
>
> I'm asking this because it's not trivial to me how Debian, for example,
> will update Pototo if I have KDE2 on it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Wroot
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From: Shore Linux Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: heeeeeelp bind 9.1.0
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 20:38:58 -0400
I am a bit stumped. Here are a few questions that I
have perhaps you can assist me with them.
I am running bind 9.1.0-10 from a fresh Red Hat 7.1 install. When I
issue the command /etc/rc.d.init.d/named start apparently named is
starting because if I do a ps aux | grep named I see five instances of
named running. Now if I do an nslookup using either localhost or
127.0.0.1 as an argument I get a reply that tells me that the name
server is 192.168.1.1 which is the IP of my box on the LAN. However, if
I do an nslookup with a name or IP outside of localhost I get the
following result "connection timed out, no servers could be reached". I
have gone back and changed the owner and group of the named.conf file
and all of the zone files to named. However, I am still getting the
same result. I am not seeing any distinguishable errors in
/var/log/message. The only thing regarding named listed there is that
named is running.
My DNS zone needs are very simple at this point. I have one domain that
I have to be a master for. Basically that is it. I have four other
hosts on the LAN and I need to receive mail for the LAN. So actually
since I want to run a primary server the only zone files that I think I
need is . localhost my domain and the reverse zones for localhost
and my domain. I think where I am most hung up at this point is the dos
and don'ts regarding syntax in version 9.1.0 as a matter of fact I am
not familiar with the syntax at all of version 9.1.0.
Is there anyway you could possible direct me where to find documentation
on the syntax for version 9.1.0 and if at all possible forward me a
barebones sample zone file that I could edit and the reverse file for
that same zone.
This is really driving me up a wall. Any and all assistance is greatly
appreciated.
AJ
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From: Security Dept. at Announce Communications <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: announce May specials
Date: 7 May 2001 20:27:43 -0400
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From: Patrick Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: keymap problem
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 01:08:54 GMT
Stephen Hui wrote:
>
> Sorry, I forgot to mention that I'm running RedHat 6.2, bash 2.05 and
> XFree 4.0.2.
>
> Stephen Hui wrote:
> >
> > Anyway, none of the control-key sequences (Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, etc.) are
> > working in either bash (version 2.05) or in X. The Ctrl key does
> > absolutely nothing; if I hit Ctrl-C, it types 'c'. I was wondering if
> > anyone knows how to fix this.
Don't know about 4.0.2; do you have Ctrl mapped (like via xmodmap)?
Check the trails of the startx files.
Pat
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From: "kalasend at YAHOO dot COM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How come...
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 18:26:22 -0700
How come until today, Linux (or in general Unix) still does not have the
"undelete" feature?
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux File Size Limit (ext2)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 01:30:10 -0000
Hi,
Can anyone tell me what the file size limit is ( RH 7.1)for an ext2 FS?
I got to 5.9 gig and it failed.
Is there a way to increase the files size limit ( i.e. kernel mods )?
Thanks,
Don
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: Jimbob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How come...
Date: 8 May 2001 11:45:54 +1100
kalasend at YAHOO dot COM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How come until today, Linux (or in general Unix) still does not have the
> "undelete" feature?
It does! if you have sufficient disk space you can take 'snapshots' of your disk at
specified intervals so if you delete something by accident you can go to the snapshot
and copy that thing back to where it belongs.
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From: Jerry McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: that PCMCIA question (Linksys PCMPC100 V2/Dell Inspiron 4000)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 01:56:58 GMT
Dean Thompson wrote:
>
> Hi Yuri,
>
> > I would very much appreciate any advice on how to get my new PCM card to
> > work. I've installed Redhat 7.1 on Dell Inspiron 4000 laptop; my PCM card
> > is Linksys Etherfast 10/100 (PCMPC100 V2). Some details on the
>
> At this stage it doesn't look like the Card Services are capable of providing
> support for the PCMPC100 Version 2 cards.
Is the above version number a typo? The reason I ask is that I am using
a pcmpc100 version 2.0 on my laptop without any problems what-so-ever.
In fact I grabbed a copy of the pcmcia-cs versionn 3.1.23 and compiled
it to run with the 2.4.4 kernel... No problem there either. What's
really nice about this card... it'll do 100baseT in duplex mode with a
similarily capable hub/swithc box... In other words... quite fast.
Running a base install of Caldera Open Linux 2.40 and the card was
auto-detected during the install... since that time, I've heavily
upgraded my laptop without a bit of problems from the PCMPC100...
> A quick check of:
> http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/SUPPORTED.CARDS shows that the basic card
> is supported and that version 3 is not supported. It doesn't talk about
> version 2, but a number of postings that google found seemed to confirm the
> basis that the PCMPC100 V2 card isn't being supported at the moment.
>
It's hard to believe this is true... Maybe people should begin spreading
the word... LINKSYS PCMPC100 version 2.0 PCMCIA NIC's work like a charm
under linux...
--
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* Registered Linux User Number
185956 *
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Schaumann)
Subject: Re: How come...
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 02:21:42 -0000
* kalasend at YAHOO dot COM wrote:
> How come until today, Linux (or in general Unix) still does not have the
> "undelete" feature?
Ho come even after decades people still delete files that they wish to
keep?
-Jan
--
Jan Schaumann <http://www.netmeister.org>
* JHM wonders what Joey did to earn "I'd just like to say, for the record,
that Joey rules." -- Seen on #Debian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: kppp problems...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 08 May 2001 02:35:42 GMT
On Mon, 07 May 2001 13:54:23 GMT, Jonadab the Unsightly One staggered
into the Black Sun and said:
>"Karim R. Sobhi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Apr 24 21:52:38 Edgar pppd[927]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1
>> Apr 24 21:52:46 Edgar pppd[927]: Peer is not authorized to use remote
>> address 217.52.7.110
>
>That line right there is the important one.
>
>Unfortunately, I'm not certain whether "peer" in this case is you or
>your ISP. Is your connection governed by DHCP? Are you trying to use
>217.52.7.110 as your IP address? Or is your ISP using that address
>maybe and your system isn't accepting that for some reason? One of
>those two things is probably your problem.
The OP should check his /etc/ppp/options file and make sure that the
line which says "noauth" is not commented out. If you don't have
"noauth" somewhere in that file, then pppd will require the peer to
authenticate itself. This is not what you want if you are just dialing
in to your ISP.
(I could swear I posted a reply to this guy's message several days ago.
Bloody news swerver.)
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.general
Subject: Problem with mouse on laptop with RedHat 7.1
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:35:04 -0500
I have a Winbook Xl laptop. I originally installed RedHat5.1
on it, and I've upgraded to every new version of RedHat
including RedHat 7.0, all without any significant problems.
I just tried to upgrade to RH7.1. The upgrade appeared to
be successful, but after rebooting at runlevel 5 the
mouse did not respond. Worse, I couldn't get out with Ctrl-Alt F1
or even Ctrl-Alt Backspace. Turning it off and rebooting,
I found that even in run level 3, without X running, the screen
froze. This was apprently fixed by stopping gpm.
But startx left me back where I had been earlier.
I found in the RedHat errata that there were problems with
Xconfigurator and mouseconfig. I installed the updated
rpms and tried to run Xconfigurator. With appropriate
settings it gave me a reasoable screen, but the mouse
didn't respond. Fortunately this was in the test phase
which times out after about 10 seconds, so at least it
didn't hang.
I tried various settings in mouseconfig both with a generic
3 button mouse plugged into the PS/2 plug and just using
the touch pad. Nothing worked.
I have given up on upgrading and I am now trying to install
RH7.1 instead. Perhaps that will work, but I am not too
hopeful. If it doesn't work, I will try going back to Rh7.0.
Has anyone had a similar experience? Does anyone know how
to fix this?
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: "ThanhVu Nguyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: problem using the nvidia driver under rh
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 23:15:46 -0400
I try to use the driver at nvidia website for linux instead of the
opensource nv one ... I did like what they say - install the
nvidia_kernel first then the glx , edit the XF86Config-4 file et etc
But it seems that when I issue the command startx, it reports that the
nvdia.o (I assume this is the driver file) is not good ...
I installed the same driver on a very identical computer (of my friend)
once. But can't on mine. Any ideas ?
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: RedHat 7.1 upgrade mouse problems...
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:41:58 -0500
Jeffrey Hood wrote:
>
> I just upgraded my dual boot box (Windows 98 / RedHat 6.2) box to RedHat
> 7.1... Everything went pretty good, but when booting up and trying to
> start X, I get the following error...
>
> Cannot open device /dev/mouse
> ...
> Device or resource busy
>
> I tried running Xconfigurator, mouseconfig, etc, and all -seem- to be
> okay with the Microsoft Intellimouse PS/2 mouse selection, but it always
> fails on the load of X...
>
> cat /dev/mouse gives a Device or resource busy also... X does work, as
> long as I configure the mouse to com1, but then there -is- no mouse, so
> that has limited use... :) also tried redoing the symlink from
> /dev/mouse to /dev/psaux again... no go...
>
> I have also tried setting the X config file to /dev/psaux by hand, but no
> go... Everything worked fine previously, and I know that the mouse is
> functioning properly on the PS/2 port (I'm typing this from Windows right
> now...)
>
> Does anyone have any ideas what could be tying up the device ??? I shut
> down everything that I could and nothing gave it up... gpm gives the
> same device busy error...
>
> I'm out of ideas... ?!?
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> JH
>
> --
>
> Jeffrey Hood
> HM Consulting
> jhood at (you - know - why) hmcon dot com
If you look at other postings, you will see that I have a similar
problem on a Winbook XL laptop. I don't know what is causing
your problem, but I did discover that there are some problems
with mouseconfig and Xconfigurator involving the mouse. See
the Redhat errata page.
If you download the rpm files---they are not very large---you should
be able to boot in run level 3 and upgrade the rpms. It is
possible that may fix your problem, but I doubt it.
I suspect we will be hearing from others about this and related
problems.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: CD-RW SCSI emulation problems
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 08 May 2001 03:22:20 GMT
On Mon, 7 May 2001 20:39:52 -0400, Philip Lee staggered into the Black
Sun and said:
>I am stuck on how to get linux to start my cd-rw with the ide-scsi
>driver. I use loadlin NOT LILO. Is there ANY way possible for me to do
>that without lilo?
Eh? There's a configuration file called "LINUX.BAT" that LOADLIN.EXE
reads. It should contain a line like so:
LOADLIN C:\VMLINUZ root=/dev/hda6 ro
Everything after the DOS path to the kernel image is a parameter that is
passed to the kernel. You could, f'rexample, put "hdc=ide-scsi" at the
end of the line there. Is that what you were looking for?
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: How come...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 08 May 2001 03:22:23 GMT
On Mon, 7 May 2001 18:26:22 -0700, kalasend at YAHOO dot COM staggered
into the Black Sun and said:
>How come until today, Linux (or in general Unix) still does not have
>the "undelete" feature?
Historical reasons. Unix was a multi-user system from the very
beginning, and storage space was very expensive back in the early 70s.
So initially, when you rm'ed a file, its disk blocks were marked as
available immediately, and the file or parts of it got overwritten
whenever another user needed space. The DOS way of doing things
(replace the first character of the filename with ASCII 206, marking the
file as "deleted") wouldn't have worked--storage space was too tight.
Ditto for the MacOS way of moving files to a "Trash" directory.
(Desktop environments like KDE and GNOME have implemented the MacOS
concept of a ~/Trash directory, so you *can* undelete things, sort of.
There is also the -i option to rm.)
The idea here is that the system does exactly what you tell it to do.
There's no bollocks about "The contents of this folder are not shown
because they are essential to the operation of the computer", you can
bloody well rm -rf / if you want to. Unix, in general, assumes that its
users know what they are doing. Read Neal Stephenson's "In The
Beginning Was The Command Line", and pay close attention to the bit
about the Hole Hawg... he explains this far better than I could.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Linux File Size Limit (ext2)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 08 May 2001 03:22:24 GMT
On Tue, 08 May 2001 01:30:10 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] staggered into the
Black Sun and said:
>Can anyone tell me what the file size limit is ( RH 7.1)for an ext2 FS?
>I got to 5.9 gig and it failed. Is there a way to increase the files
>size limit ( i.e. kernel mods )?
ext2 is a 64-bit filesystem; the size limit for a single file is in the
terabyte range. (I have created files > 16G on ext2 filesystems on the
Alpha platform.) There was a problem with the 2.2 kernel series, the
x86 architecture, and older glibc that limited file sizes to 2G. These
problems have since been fixed, although you essentially have to
"recompile the world" to get all the utilities to play nicely with files
> 2G on the x86. 64-bit architectures like Alpha and Sparc never had
this problem.
Recent distros like RedHat 7.1 should have large file support in
place for all the utilities. Are you sure you didn't run out of disk
space, or encounter a bad sector, or run out of inodes? 5.9G is a very
strange place for creation of a large file to fail; I'd expect the
failure point to come at 2G or 2T.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: How come...
Date: 7 May 2001 23:32:56 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <HUHJ6.20$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
kalasend at YAHOO dot COM wrote:
> How come until today, Linux (or in general Unix) still does not have the
> "undelete" feature?
Because there needs to be a way to _really_ remove a file. Your mission
is to convince everyone that they don't really want to use it.
--
Paul Kimoto
This message was originally posted on Usenet in plain text. Any images,
hyperlinks, or the like shown here have been added without my consent,
and may be a violation of international copyright law.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: news/mail clients
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 03:49:37 GMT
On 7 May 2001 23:08:00 GMT, Chiefy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>06 May 2001 18:46 UTC, andi did say to the dudes:
>> I'm in the process of a slow migration to linux - but I need
>> recommendations regarding mail and news clients.
>
>SLRN is a very cool console news client. It's absolutely stuffed with
>features. As for a console mail client, UW-Pine is very hard to beat.
Slrn get's my vote for newsreader, but I'd pick mutt over pine.
Mutt and slrn are very "compatible". People who like one
generally like the other.
>We don't use X here, but I'm told that both programs look pretty good in
>an Xterm, with SLRN making good use of colour.
Mutt does a nice job with colors also. Configure both of them
to use jed w/ mail-mode as the editor, and Bob's your uncle!
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! ... I see TOILET
at SEATS...
visi.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Can you run 2 different Os systems on one computer
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 03:50:17 GMT
On Mon, 7 May 2001 19:13:59 -0500, Jerry Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> In article <3af6d4e2$0$41623$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, LP wrote:
>>
>> >http://askearth.com/go/view_request?request=214&r=7
>>
>> Yes, you can run two different OSes on one computer.
>>
> And even at the same time if you use VMWARE...
Not to mention VM/390. ;)
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! DIDI... is that a
at MARTIAN name, or, are we
visi.com in ISRAEL?
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