Linux-Misc Digest #821, Volume #27 Thu, 10 May 01 00:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: fdisk without restart (Dances With Crows)
Re: time adjustment (Craig Jansen)
Re: Linux Time problem? ("Dave LaPorte")
Certification Question ("Sony Antony")
Re: route problem odd (Dean Thompson)
Re: Apple II ProDos filesystem:---Could it be accessed from Linux?? (William Burrow)
Re: Netfilter, IPtables... what the heck is going on? (grooveman)
Re: GRUB really is better than LILO! (Was: Re: GRUB: How to install to (Frank
Ranner)
Re: Apple II ProDos filesystem:---Could it be accessed from Linux?? ("kellyboy")
Re: Apple II ProDos filesystem:---Could it be accessed from Linux?? (David Efflandt)
Re: Did YOUR distro install Mesa or OpenGL? (Andrew Purugganan)
Re: Apple II ProDos filesystem:---Could it be accessed from Linux?? (Dances With
Crows)
Re: Red Hat 7.1/2.4.4 'su -' problems and messages oddities (Dances With Crows)
Re: Certification Question ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: fdisk without restart
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 10 May 2001 01:13:26 GMT
On Thu, 10 May 2001 02:34:53 +0800, Dicky staggered into the Black Sun
and said:
[snip]
>Is that means if I have a 4GB partitiion and after I fdisk it into
>two 2GB partition, I don't need to reboot ?
If the disk you repartitioned didn't contain your / partition, no reboot
should be necessary. If you repartition the disk which contains / and
try to operate on the partitions on that disk without rebooting, you
will most likely get an error message along the lines of "invalid
argument passed to ext2fs library while setting up superblock".
--
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From: Craig Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: time adjustment
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:27:58 +1200
Hi
wroot wrote:
> I've heard that there are time servers or something that a UNIX system can
> connect to to adjust its clock. Is it true and is it possible to do it
> under Linux?
Try the following from a console prompt.
rdate -s -p tock.usno.navy.mil
I use this in a cron job once a week to sync my system clocks and it works
like a charm on all my RH7.0 & RH7.1 boxes.
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From: "Dave LaPorte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Time problem?
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:31:55 -0500
Thanks to everyone that posted a response to my question!
Where would us newbees be with out Newsgroups :)
Thanks again
Dave.
"Dave LaPorte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Could someone help me wit the following. I have a RedHat v6.0
> linux box set up as a proxy/webserver. The box runs several scripts
> including one that publishes some reports for people off of cron's.
> The problem is I need to have the clock set correctly for cron to run
> the scripts at the correct times. I have checked the bios system
> clock and made sure it's set for US/Central time ( not GMT ) and the
> correct date and time. I have set the linux OS time via the 'time'
> utility within KDE, Also I have tried setting the time via the
> date command with no success!
>
> here's how I have been setting the time ( as root always! ) using the
> date command. for ie: MAY 8 20:00:00 2000
>
> #date 0508200001
> --> 05 = may, 08 = the 8th day, 20 = hh, 00 = mm, 01 = yy
>
> after hitting enter as root, I can type #date <enter> and the correct
> date/time will be displayed, but here's the problem.
>
> As soon as the machine reboot's the time jumps like 20 - 25
> minutes ahead of what I originally set it prior to rebooting.? This
> is absolutely bizarre. I have another Linux machine, exactly the same
> config, and I have set the date and time the same way and that machine
> holds the correct time. I don't get it. I have even tried shutting
> off all the crons and resetting the time, and emeaditly rebooting (
> thinking that the 5 or so cron entrys might be screwing up the
> machine, but the same old thing just keeps happening). Also, I doubt
> that the bios battery has gone bad on this machine, because the
> machine is on 24/7. The machine does reboot every day at 01:00:00
> hours every day.
>
> If anyone has any idea as to what I'm doing wrong please let
> me know I am totally frustrated.
>
> Please feel free to email me at "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave LaPorte.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Sony Antony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Certification Question
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:42:43 -0400
Hi:
I just took the decidion to get Linux Certified. I have been a UNIX
programmer user for some around 7 yesrs now.
I m not able to decide which Linux Certification to take.
1. RHCE ( Red Hat 302 )
2. LPI ( Level 2 )
3. Sair
4. I also came across some other misc certifications.
I m leaning towards LPI mainly because I can afford the fees of 100 $ for
the exam. But I wanted to ask you experienced guys.
ALso do you guys have any suggestions for the books to use. I was seeing 2
series called EXAM CRAM and EXAM PREP both from coriallis. There were also
some from another publisher ( I can t remember ).
Thanks
sony
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From: Dean Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: route problem odd
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:45:58 +1000
Hi Chris,
> The pc's on the 10.10.10.0 network can ping the router at 10.10.10.1.
> The pc's on the 10.10.9.0 network can ping the router at 10.10.9.1.
> Those are the ip's set up on eth0 and eth1 on the router.
> Pc's on either side cannot ping the other network other than their own.
> When on the router itself, i can ping any part of both networks 10.10.10.?
> and 10.10.9.?
Okay, if you are using Redhat 6.2+ or Mandrake, you will need to alter the
file which is located in /etc/sysctl.conf and ensure that you have ip
forwarding enabled in that file as well.
This should then allow the machines to ping one another, providing that all
the machines on the 10.10.9.0 network are using the interface on the router as
their default gateway and that the machines on the 10.10.10.0 network are
using their respective interface on the network.
The path of data should then go like this:
Tracerouting from 10.10.9.1 to 10.10.10.1
10.10.9.1 ---> 10.10.9.254 --> 10.10.10.1
10.10.10.1 --> 10.10.10.254 -> 10.10.9.1
This is where 10.10.9.254 and 10.10.10.254 are the interfaces on the router.
See ya
Dean Thompson
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: Apple II ProDos filesystem:---Could it be accessed from Linux??
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 02:04:28 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 8 May 2001 23:34:18 -0500 in comp.os.linux.misc,
kellyboy <kellyboy@nospanner> wrote:
>I have a bunch of Apple II disks from long long time ago...
>..Im wondering if there are ways to access ProDos disk from Linux...??
IIRC, those would be 90K single sided or 180K double sided disks. Dunno
if modern hardware would even know what to make of those.
>I still have old IIc+ in the attic. and I would like to access those
>files...
Now we're talking. Fire up that IIc, connect up a null modem cable
between it and your PC and start shuttling files across. You will need
a comms program of some kind on the IIc. They existed, I just don't
recall any. The Apple might also have some kind of wacky connector on
it, instead of the D-connector that is popular today. Ask for help in
an Apple related group on these aspects.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 2001 William Burrow ~ /\
I'd rather listen to Isaac Newton, also. ~ ()>()
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From: grooveman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,alt.linux.redhat,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Netfilter, IPtables... what the heck is going on?
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 02:14:10 GMT
Wanted to extend a special "thanks" to everyone who has offered me their
help.
I hope that one day I can repay this gesture.
I will poke around with all of your input, and you can bet I'll be back with
some more specific questions as soon as I have the time to explore!
Thanks again!
Chris
grooveman wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I have been struggling with this for several days now.
>
> I installed RH 7.1 to act as my gateway/router using IP masq for my
> internal machines.
>
> Low and behold, what do I find -- RH 7.1 kernel 2.4.x does not like to
> support ipchains! Now, I know, I know... It has legacy support for
> this, however, I could not get ip_always_defrag and ip_masq_ftp going on
> it. I have tried the stock kernel, and even recompiled my own -- and I
> configured just about every networking option as a module, and these did
> not show up anywhere on my system.
>
> Ipchains is not much use to me if I can't use ftp! I looked around on
> the web and lurked in groups and found people with the same problem --
> but no real solutions were offered.
>
> So I made it my mission to learn iptables --which IS natively supported
> by 2.4.x. After going nuts looking for ipnatctl (which is referenced in
> the iptables-howto), I finally found out that it has been incorporated
> into iptables (only lost a day or two there!) So, how do I masq with
> iptables? I looked around some more and found that the homesite of
> NETFILTER doesn't appear to be functioning (at least in the last few
> days) http://netfilter.kernelnotes.org .
>
> So -- My question is this: How the heck are we supposed to know what to
> do with iptables? The man page is almost useless here... it is simply
> too complex to contain in one man.
>
> Also: Can anyone tell me how to get my machine to masq without having a
> forward policy of ACCEPT?
>
> Also: What is the equivalent in IPTABLES of ipchains with a -y flag?
>
> IS THERE ANYWHERE A PERSON CAN GO TO ON THE WEB, OR IN THE BOOKSTORE TO
> LEARN HOW TO USE THIS TOOL?
>
> I know that I cannot be the only one frustrated with this.
>
> Thank you all! (I feel a litte better now :0) )
>
> Chris
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From: Frank Ranner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: GRUB really is better than LILO! (Was: Re: GRUB: How to install to
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:03:03 +1000
Kenny McCormack wrote:
>
> In article <9db0dn$mbk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Kenny McCormack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >Frank Ranner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >...
> >>> And, to get to the real point, can I create a small ext2fs partition on the
> >>> disk, and put the stuff from the floppy there (doing all this from a Linux
> >>> boot/rescue floppy) - without installing Linux on the machine - and have
> >>> GRUB find the stuff there and work (w/o the floppy being present) ?
> >
> >>you can have grub on a fat disk, in \boot\grub
> >>From memory you point to it using
> >>root (hd0,0)
> >>setup (hd0)
> >
> >Glad to hear it. I'll give it a shot.
>
> Worked a treat. No need to install Linux or any EXT2FS file systems. I
> highly reccomment this to anyone having troubles with LILO.
>
> One thing about it, though, that I found "hinkey". You have to copy the
> contents of the /boot/grub directory from the floppy to /boot/grub on the
> (FAT) hard disk. This works just fine, but the funny things is this: You
> can put it into /grub instead and the installer will find it (You can tell
> from the error messages that it looks in both dirs), but the glitch is that
> it won't fine the "menu.lst" file in /grub - that *has* to be in /boot/grub.
>
> That's what I find weird - that it lets you install from /grub, but silently
> ignores the "menu.lst" file if you do.
Setup is a simplified front-end to install, which allows you to specify
the
location of the menu.lst. However 'install' is a fairly hostile command,
so it
is probably better to arrange things the way 'setup' wants, and avoid
having to
run install.
Regards, Frank Ranner
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From: "kellyboy" <kellyboy@nospanner>
Subject: Re: Apple II ProDos filesystem:---Could it be accessed from Linux??
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:12:30 -0500
where can I find more info (apple related group) that do that kind of
stuff??
kellyboy
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"William Burrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 8 May 2001 23:34:18 -0500 in comp.os.linux.misc,
> kellyboy <kellyboy@nospanner> wrote:
> >I have a bunch of Apple II disks from long long time ago...
> >..Im wondering if there are ways to access ProDos disk from Linux...??
>
> IIRC, those would be 90K single sided or 180K double sided disks. Dunno
> if modern hardware would even know what to make of those.
>
> >I still have old IIc+ in the attic. and I would like to access those
> >files...
>
> Now we're talking. Fire up that IIc, connect up a null modem cable
> between it and your PC and start shuttling files across. You will need
> a comms program of some kind on the IIc. They existed, I just don't
> recall any. The Apple might also have some kind of wacky connector on
> it, instead of the D-connector that is popular today. Ask for help in
> an Apple related group on these aspects.
>
>
>
> --
> William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
> Copyright 2001 William Burrow ~ /\
> I'd rather listen to Isaac Newton, also. ~ ()>()
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: Apple II ProDos filesystem:---Could it be accessed from Linux??
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 03:22:59 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 10 May 2001, William Burrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 May 2001 23:34:18 -0500 in comp.os.linux.misc,
> kellyboy <kellyboy@nospanner> wrote:
>>I have a bunch of Apple II disks from long long time ago...
>>..Im wondering if there are ways to access ProDos disk from Linux...??
>
> IIRC, those would be 90K single sided or 180K double sided disks. Dunno
> if modern hardware would even know what to make of those.
My Apple ][+ was 125K with DOS (pre-ProDOS) and 143K w/o DOS (single sided
I think). At any rate, probably not something you could read with a 1.2 M
drive, because the magnetic partical size was too big. Ah the days of
having to install a lower case ROM (original display was all upper case)
and hard wiring the shift key to the game port to use it.
>>I still have old IIc+ in the attic. and I would like to access those
>>files...
>
> Now we're talking. Fire up that IIc, connect up a null modem cable
> between it and your PC and start shuttling files across. You will need
> a comms program of some kind on the IIc. They existed, I just don't
> recall any. The Apple might also have some kind of wacky connector on
> it, instead of the D-connector that is popular today. Ask for help in
> an Apple related group on these aspects.
One note about the Apple (at least the ][+) is that display characters had
the high bit set. So if you connected the Apple as a terminal it was
communicating 8-bit, 1 stop-bit and you had to set the PC to 7-bit,
no-parity, 2 stop-bits to communicate in the same character set. Not sure
how it handled binary data.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: Did YOUR distro install Mesa or OpenGL?
Date: 10 May 2001 03:20:12 GMT
David Efflandt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[ SuSE 7.1 automatically installed the Mesa and glide libs for the Monster
[ 3D (voodoo1) on my old box, and it worked when I tested it. I don't
[ currently have a monitor on that box, to double check that. But looking
[ at /usr/lib on the SuSE partition I do see these files:
[ I guess it depends which distro you use and whether the packages are on
[ your Linux CD for custom or later install. I used to have to get the Mesa
[ and glide libs separately. But I have not played Quake lately because the
[ old box and ppp are too slow for Q3.
Thanks for the encouraging news; I would prefer to grab that magazine
with the SUSE on the coverdisc than to bother d/loading
And what made you think it was for Quake? ;-) Honestly it could be for
legacy GLDoom or some game from those Loki guys...
--
jazz
Registered linux user no. 164098 +--+--+--+ Litestep user no. 386
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
--- OUT THERE??
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Apple II ProDos filesystem:---Could it be accessed from Linux??
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 10 May 2001 03:33:30 GMT
On Tue, 8 May 2001 23:34:18 -0500, kellyboy staggered into the Black Sun
and said:
>I have a bunch of Apple II disks from long long time ago... ..Im
>wondering if there are ways to access ProDos disk from Linux...?? I"ve
>been searching on the Net about that but I get mixed info... I still
>have old IIc+ in the attic. and I would like to access those files...
>any idea how I do that???
Well, you'd need a 5.25" disk drive that is A) compatible with the
interface on your machine's motherboard and B) compatible with the
low-level format that Apple used for their DOS 3.3/ProDOS disks. This
may be a tough call. The 800K "UniDisk" drives and disks written in
those drives are probably not usable under Linux; the encoding method
used on those disks (GCR) is not compatible with a standard x86 floppy
drive.
If these disks are "normal", that is, formatted with a DOS 3.3 or ProDOS
format, you would probably have the best luck by obtaining a nullmodem
cable, connecting the //c and the Linux box, and transferring files over
that cable. It might be a bit slow, but it'd work! You'd need to read
up on mgetty and probably the Kermit program, though. Not to mention
that nullmodem cables are generally terminated in a DB9 connection at
both ends; special connectors will probably be required to transform the
DB9 into whatever the //c used....
>And what exactly is Apple II emulation and does it "really" work on
>Linux?
Apple ][ emulation is exactly what it says it is. You run a ][x
emulator program from within Linux; this program creates a private
space where it simulates a 6502/65C02 processor and emulates all the
opcodes and the hardware features of the Apple ][x you've selected. The
wonderful 3-bit color of the //c's "HGR" mode can be displayed in a
window if you're running X, and there are hacks to pass joystick and/or
mouse input and use files on your Linux partition as emulated 5.25"
drives. Go to http://freshmeat.net/ and search for "kegs", you'll find
a lot more information there. HTH, bonne chance, please report back to
this group and/or me if you find anything helpful or useful.
(I did *NOT* learn to love computers from an Apple //c, Apple LOGO, and
the Beagle Brothers. Nope, you're thinking of some other guy who calls
himself "Dances With Crows".)
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Red Hat 7.1/2.4.4 'su -' problems and messages oddities
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 10 May 2001 03:33:27 GMT
On Wed, 09 May 2001 19:36:52 -0500, Christopher C. Stump staggered into
the Black Sun and said:
(BTW, the formatting in your message was completely mangled. Whatever
you did, please try not to do that again...)
> I recently hooked-up a fresh install of Red Hat 7.1 and I am now
> running it with a newly rolled 2.4.4 kernel. All is good except for
> the following error messages and a weird problem I am having with the
> 'su -' command. If anyone can shed some light on these problems, I
> would very much appreciate your input.
>
> 1.Command 'su -' does not work if it is issued after I already 'su'ed
> from user to root. The command line just freezes, and the process gets
> stuck in memory even after I kill the terminal. Is this a problem with
> sudo? pam? 'su -' works fine if I issue it as a regular user.
Could be a problem with the "su" binary itself. On a SuSE 7.0 system
(kernel 2.2.18), issuing "su -" as root merely re-reads root's
environment and cd's to /root . You may want to try "strace su -" and
see where it dies; perhaps you've found a bug....
> 2. Oddities found in /var/log/messages:
> modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module nls_iso8859-1
> modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module nls_iso8859-1
>
> I know "nls" means "national language support" and that this message
> is no big deal (I encountered it, and lived with it trouble-free
> with previous installs of Red Hat), but what can stop modprobe from
> looking for this module? Can commands 'chkconfig' and/or 'modprobe'
> fix this?
In /etc/modules.conf :
alias nls_iso8859-1 off
But you should compile ISO-8859-1 DOS codepage support as a module or
something if you can. Might be useful for any DOS filesystems you have
around.
> ifup: Determining IP information for eth0...
> pumpd[360]: starting at (uptime 0 days, 0:00:23) Mon May 7 13:52:50 2001
> /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: ... no drivers for USB product 4e6/101/200
> ifup: Operation failed.
> ifup: done.
> network: Bringing up interface eth0: succeeded
> What fails? My cable internet connection works fine and I do not seem
> to be having trouble with eth0
Are you connected to your cablemodem via a USB->Ethernet interface?
Those things are a bit of a kludge and may generate spurious error
messages sometimes; there's a reason why many of the USB->Ethernet
adapters in the kernel have "EXPERIMENTAL" by them. If that's not it,
then there may be something in hotplug's configuration file that's
associating the wrong driver with your USB->Ethernet interface.
> gconfd (stump-979): starting (version 1.0.0), pid 979 user 'stump'
[snippage]
No idea; I'm a KDE2 person myself!
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Certification Question
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 03:38:02 GMT
"Sony Antony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I just took the decidion to get Linux Certified. I have been a UNIX
> programmer user for some around 7 yesrs now.
> I m not able to decide which Linux Certification to take.
> 1. RHCE ( Red Hat 302 )
> 2. LPI ( Level 2 )
> 3. Sair
> 4. I also came across some other misc certifications.
> I'm leaning towards LPI mainly because I can afford the fees of $100
> for the exam. But I wanted to ask you experienced guys.
RHCE is strongly biased towards Red Hat Linux, primarily expecting
that you be familiar with the Red Hat admin tools. If you prepare for
this, it's not of much help if you wind up using some other
distribution, or some other Unix-like system.
LPI hasn't even issued beta versions of any of the "Level 2"
certification exams; they have only the two "Level 1" exams at
present.
Sair has a more extensive set of tests. Like the LPI ones, they are
distribution-neutral. They seem to be pretty proud of not having done
psychometric analysis to evaluate how the measurements of the exams
work, which is a somewhat controversial matter.
It all sort of begs the question: Do you have someone in mind that
would regard these certifications as valuable? I still remain
skeptical that the certifications are _specifically_ of value.
There are businesses trying to sell training programs, particularly
associated with the Sair certifications.
Unfortunately, one of the major embarassments of the "Linux community"
has been that a consulting firm was pushing for would-be "employees"
to pay for training courses to prepare for Sair certification,
essentially presenting the opportunity that a condition of employment
would be to pay them several thousand dollars for training courses.
That can turn out nothing but badly.
> Also do you guys have any suggestions for the books to use. I was
> seeing 2 series called EXAM CRAM and EXAM PREP both from
> coriallis. There were also some from another publisher ( I can t
> remember ).
The "Exam Prep" book looks OK, but the "Exam Cram" books were pretty
rushed, and have quite a lot of errors.
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